Innerlight/Inferno No Toggle Speculation

Cuyler · February 2016

ZOS claimed recently they are considering changing Innerlight from a toggle to an active ability. Anybody hear anything about this? Discuss.....

Edit: Oh I forgot, DK inferno skill is also on the new "no toggle" list....

@ZOS_GinaBruno @Wrobel @ZOS_JessicaFolsom can u enlighten us?

eventide03b14a_ESO · February 2016

Cuyler wrote: »

So last night supposedly, there was another guild summit. Out of that meeting came word that ZOS was changing Innerlight from a toggle to an active ability. Anybody hear anything about this? Discuss.....

An active ability? What kind of duration? This sounds like a terrible idea.

Cuyler · February 2016

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

Cuyler wrote: »

So last night supposedly, there was another guild summit. Out of that meeting came word that ZOS was changing Innerlight from a toggle to an active ability. Anybody hear anything about this? Discuss.....

An active ability? What kind of duration? This sounds like a terrible idea.

This is all my ppl know so far, "Innerlight will no longer be a toggle". That was it. And yes I do not think anybody was asking for this change, not sure why.

ScruffyWhiskers · February 2016

Cuyler wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno @Wrobel @ZOS_JessicaFolsom can u enlighten us?

Nice touch there!

Could be interesting if the duration is not something awful like 10 or even 15 seconds. It would free up a slot to also put siphoning attacks maybe on the other bar instead. Of course keeping those all active when you need them will be the big drag.

Cuyler · February 2016

ScruffyWhiskers wrote: »

Cuyler wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno @Wrobel @ZOS_JessicaFolsom can u enlighten us?

Nice touch there!

You got my pun!

eventide03b14a_ESO · February 2016

ScruffyWhiskers wrote: »

Cuyler wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno @Wrobel @ZOS_JessicaFolsom can u enlighten us?

Nice touch there!

Could be interesting if the duration is not something awful like 10 or even 15 seconds. It would free up a slot to also put siphoning attacks maybe on the other bar instead. Of course keeping those all active when you need them will be the big drag.

I use Radiant Magelight personally. Does this mean I will have to constantly cast it just to get the benefit of it? I would rather it take up two slots than to have to constantly cast yet another buff.

RoyJade · February 2016

A toogle who give a X% max resource would be bad. Or the +5% magicka will be a passive, and the 10% critical an active.

Sorc asked for more active abilities, but innerlight isn't a sorc ability. Pets need to be an active, not all the toogle.

Anhedonie · February 2016

Great. Another "great" change to skill.
I hope lead game designer gets fired soon.

CP5 · February 2016

Cuyler wrote: »

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

Cuyler wrote: »

So last night supposedly, there was another guild summit. Out of that meeting came word that ZOS was changing Innerlight from a toggle to an active ability. Anybody hear anything about this? Discuss.....

An active ability? What kind of duration? This sounds like a terrible idea.

This is all my ppl know so far, "Innerlight will no longer be a toggle". That was it. And yes I do not think anybody was asking for this change, not sure why.

This is why I don't like these guild summits, there is so little communication between the player base and them that they don't seem to be helping anyone all that much.

MissBizz · February 2016

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

ScruffyWhiskers wrote: »

Cuyler wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno @Wrobel @ZOS_JessicaFolsom can u enlighten us?

Nice touch there!

Could be interesting if the duration is not something awful like 10 or even 15 seconds. It would free up a slot to also put siphoning attacks maybe on the other bar instead. Of course keeping those all active when you need them will be the big drag.

I use Radiant Magelight personally. Does this mean I will have to constantly cast it just to get the benefit of it? I would rather it take up two slots than to have to constantly cast yet another buff.

Yes. If it was made into an active ability you would need to constantly refresh it.

I'm hoping this is just something someone thought of and that thought quickly passes...

Takllin · February 2016

Last time they did this with Siphoning Attacks it made a lot of people very unhappy...

WillhelmBlack · February 2016

#BringbackTheKonk

ScruffyWhiskers · February 2016

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

I use Radiant Magelight personally. Does this mean I will have to constantly cast it just to get the benefit of it? I would rather it take up two slots than to have to constantly cast yet another buff.

I'm guessing it will be more like the Siphoning Strikes morph. One is a toggle and the other is an active ability. It would make sense for radiant to still be a toggle and inner to be the active. Maybe they will get rid of the magicka +5 boost and make it add major sorcery instead. That might be nice.

smacx250 · February 2016

Just that morph? Radiant would be a pain unless it was of a reasonably long duration, less expensive, and could be re-cast without dismounting or leaving stealth. But if so, it would be fun to have a slot back.

eventide03b14a_ESO · February 2016

smacx250 wrote: »

Just that morph? Radiant would be a pain unless it was of a reasonably long duration, less expensive, and could be re-cast without dismounting or leaving stealth. But if so, it would be fun to have a slot back.

Exactly. As though PvP wasn't already enough of a chore....

Xeniph · February 2016

ScruffyWhiskers wrote: »

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

I use Radiant Magelight personally. Does this mean I will have to constantly cast it just to get the benefit of it? I would rather it take up two slots than to have to constantly cast yet another buff.

I'm guessing it will be more like the Siphoning Strikes morph. One is a toggle and the other is an active ability. It would make sense for radiant to still be a toggle and inner to be the active. Maybe they will get rid of the magicka +5 boost and make it add major sorcery instead. That might be nice.

^This.

It is the only way they could change the ability and it still make a bit of sense.

Edit* I'm so sick of refreshing 15-20 second buffs, personally. This game has more buff refreshing than any MMO I have played in 19 years.

Cuyler · February 2016

smacx250 wrote: »

Just that morph? Radiant would be a pain unless it was of a reasonably long duration, less expensive, and could be re-cast without dismounting or leaving stealth. But if so, it would be fun to have a slot back.

Someone who actually had been at the meeting and has transcribed it would be able to recount exactly what was said. I only heard 2nd hand last night....so I have no idea if it's only one morph or the base skill.

eventide03b14a_ESO · February 2016

Xeniph wrote: »

ScruffyWhiskers wrote: »

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

I use Radiant Magelight personally. Does this mean I will have to constantly cast it just to get the benefit of it? I would rather it take up two slots than to have to constantly cast yet another buff.

I'm guessing it will be more like the Siphoning Strikes morph. One is a toggle and the other is an active ability. It would make sense for radiant to still be a toggle and inner to be the active. Maybe they will get rid of the magicka +5 boost and make it add major sorcery instead. That might be nice.

^This.

It is the only way they could change the ability and it still make a bit of sense.

Or they could just leave well enough alone and not do something nobody asked for.

asneakybanana · February 2016

Cuyler wrote: »

So last night supposedly, there was another guild summit. Out of that meeting came word that ZOS was changing Innerlight from a toggle to an active ability. Anybody hear anything about this? Discuss.....

Edit: Oh I forgot, DK inferno skill is also on the new "no toggle" list....

@ZOS_GinaBruno @Wrobel @ZOS_JessicaFolsom can u enlighten us?

They will be changed to something like camo hunter where you get the crit no matter what and then have to cast it for the bonus. So basically inferno will become a dot like any other dot only with the slight benefit of giving major prophecy while slotted. It seems like zos are doing away with toggles all together next patch afaik. Only skills that will likely remain is siphoning strikes, and bound armor although I haven't heard anything about bound armor.

timidobserver · February 2016

Nice, I have a slot for blood altar now that I don't need two slots for inner light.

RoyJade · February 2016

asneakybanana wrote: »

They will be changed to something like camo hunter where you get the crit no matter what and then have to cast it for the bonus. So basically inferno will become a dot like any other dot only with the slight benefit of giving major prophecy while slotted. It seems like zos are doing away with toggles all together next patch afaik. Only skills that will likely remain is siphoning strikes, and bound armor although I haven't heard anything about bound armor.

They need to be careful with such a change, but if they do it right it might be a very good change.
The +X% resources buff should be changed, thus. Perhaps for a minor berserk buff (bound armor), a better dot (inferno), and something else for inner light.

mr_wazzabi · February 2016

If it's no longer a toggle then it can be used to empower an attack. Like an ultimate =D. They should ditch entropy and make inner light give major sorcery and the crit at the same time. This way we can buff spell damage without needing to attack something first.

Only thing that sucks is you can no longer use it to permanenetly up your max magicka. This is probably the source of most complaints.

Manoekin · February 2016

Tons of people have been asking to remove toggles. Toggles would be fine if they didn't take up 1/5 my skill slots.

Cuyler · February 2016

asneakybanana wrote: »

Cuyler wrote: »

So last night supposedly, there was another guild summit. Out of that meeting came word that ZOS was changing Innerlight from a toggle to an active ability. Anybody hear anything about this? Discuss.....

Edit: Oh I forgot, DK inferno skill is also on the new "no toggle" list....

@ZOS_GinaBruno @Wrobel @ZOS_JessicaFolsom can u enlighten us?

They will be changed to something like camo hunter where you get the crit no matter what and then have to cast it for the bonus. So basically inferno will become a dot like any other dot only with the slight benefit of giving major prophecy while slotted. It seems like zos are doing away with toggles all together next patch afaik. Only skills that will likely remain is siphoning strikes, and bound armor although I haven't heard anything about bound armor.

Interesting, yea I got the feeling that they were thinking of moving away from toggles entirely too.

catalyst10e · February 2016

So if it's not a toggle, would this mean Might of the Guild is going to be procted a lot more often?

ScruffyWhiskers · February 2016

catalyst10e wrote: »

So if it's not a toggle, would this mean Might of the Guild is going to be procted a lot more often?

That would be ironic wouldn't it since they removed just that effect from inner light not to long ago.

Nifty2g · February 2016

Pretty sure but not as a toggle just means you won't need it on both bars, click it once and it stays active
A toggle that increases your max crit and magicka that lasts 10 seconds sounds too buggy and comprehensive to change

Anhedonie · February 2016

asneakybanana wrote: »

Cuyler wrote: »

So last night supposedly, there was another guild summit. Out of that meeting came word that ZOS was changing Innerlight from a toggle to an active ability. Anybody hear anything about this? Discuss.....

Edit: Oh I forgot, DK inferno skill is also on the new "no toggle" list....

@ZOS_GinaBruno @Wrobel @ZOS_JessicaFolsom can u enlighten us?

They will be changed to something like camo hunter where you get the crit no matter what and then have to cast it for the bonus. So basically inferno will become a dot like any other dot only with the slight benefit of giving major prophecy while slotted. It seems like zos are doing away with toggles all together next patch afaik. Only skills that will likely remain is siphoning strikes, and bound armor although I haven't heard anything about bound armor.

They'll have to increase DOT damage in that case.

eventide03b14a_ESO · February 2016

asneakybanana wrote: »

Cuyler wrote: »

So last night supposedly, there was another guild summit. Out of that meeting came word that ZOS was changing Innerlight from a toggle to an active ability. Anybody hear anything about this? Discuss.....

Edit: Oh I forgot, DK inferno skill is also on the new "no toggle" list....

@ZOS_GinaBruno @Wrobel @ZOS_JessicaFolsom can u enlighten us?

They will be changed to something like camo hunter where you get the crit no matter what and then have to cast it for the bonus. So basically inferno will become a dot like any other dot only with the slight benefit of giving major prophecy while slotted. It seems like zos are doing away with toggles all together next patch afaik. Only skills that will likely remain is siphoning strikes, and bound armor although I haven't heard anything about bound armor.

Wait...so how does that effect pets? Are they all going to have a duration now??

Joy_Division · February 2016

A lot of people have criticized ZoS for its reliance on toggles and scorned Sorcerer builds such as the Togglemaster.

Radiant magelight is the only current toggle skill in the game that I would want taken up 2 slots because that is the only toggle skill I need 24-7 uptime on.

All the others, Inner light, Inferno, Bound Aegis, Pets, etc., I would rather not take up 2 skills on my bar.

Woeler · February 2016

I know someone who was there, also an active raider. He didn't mention this. Don't think it is true.