Takllin wrote: »

ThePonzzz wrote: »

It's an eyeopener reading different alliance points of view. My experience as EP sees DC with massive full raids (usually 2 full groups) steamrolling, running back and forth, farming players. I never see smaller groups taking on keeps or resources. But my experience is mostly as a defender, so you've already made it to Chalman or Arrius, and the zerg always feels very strong. Maybe you view it as organized. I typically make a judgement targeting that slow guy that didn't quite follow the group and is on his own. Did he just steel tornado, or did he block and dodge roll to fight me? No shame in running away either, but that's how I judge the skill of the group, can they hold their own in a fight.

The OP was meant in jest, not to be taken seriously. Though very true about different PoV.

Went over a few people's heads though

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

@zyk - I think you're my new best friend. Respect toward everything you've said so far in here. But don't let them troll you back, most intelligent people know you're right, they just will never admit it. If DC would play for objectives, the map would be blue 75% of the day but they won't because they wanna make it look like they worked hard to win the campaign.

In the end, like you've said, we all know that they're going easy mode on people with much lower skills and experience since 3-4months ago. They keep rolling over them gathering the ap flow. As you said, EP will either start moving to other campaigns or they will simply leave the game.

Funny part is, lot of people who were running in the ballgroups gate camping tonight around Chim temple said plenty of times in these forums not more than 2months ago that their guild would never gate farm because it is not good for the morale. Made me laugh when they charged me 24v1 a couple times.

If it wasn't for the horrible lag coming with the ballgroups I would probably stay but as soon as either Haderus or Trueflame get some action during the day I'm out of Azura fo sure. The community is getting way too toxic and arrogant.

Maybe one day you will realize that if you don't run your mouth so much about everyone in our guild, we may not zerg you down 24v1, but until that day as soon as some says they see frozn, I will continue to yell zerg him down!

frozywozy wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

@zyk - I think you're my new best friend. Respect toward everything you've said so far in here. But don't let them troll you back, most intelligent people know you're right, they just will never admit it. If DC would play for objectives, the map would be blue 75% of the day but they won't because they wanna make it look like they worked hard to win the campaign.

In the end, like you've said, we all know that they're going easy mode on people with much lower skills and experience since 3-4months ago. They keep rolling over them gathering the ap flow. As you said, EP will either start moving to other campaigns or they will simply leave the game.

Funny part is, lot of people who were running in the ballgroups gate camping tonight around Chim temple said plenty of times in these forums not more than 2months ago that their guild would never gate farm because it is not good for the morale. Made me laugh when they charged me 24v1 a couple times.

If it wasn't for the horrible lag coming with the ballgroups I would probably stay but as soon as either Haderus or Trueflame get some action during the day I'm out of Azura fo sure. The community is getting way too toxic and arrogant.

Maybe one day you will realize that if you don't run your mouth so much about everyone in our guild, we may not zerg you down 24v1, but until that day as soon as some says they see frozn, I will continue to yell zerg him down!

I don't run my mouth about VE ever. I encourage people to run in smaller groups and everytime, I get a reply from one of VE members full of arrogance, insults and frustration. I've said good things about Vehemence times and times again the past couple months such as their efforts to move away from zergs when they see them or to unstack from other guilds as much as possible or the fact that they have alot of experience overall (lot of players who play since beta).

What do I get in return ? People trash talking about my guild and shaming me on a regular basis. I've never shamed or insulted Vehemence as a guild even if I don't agree with all their politics. I only encourage people to run in smaller groups. If you don't wanna do it that's entirely up to you but it's not a reason to bash on me every single occasion you get.

Hope that helps clear things out.

Zheg wrote: »

Takllin wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

zyk wrote: »

PosternHouse wrote: »

Wouldn't showing restraint be a good thing?

Only for the DC AP farmers. Go to your journal and look at the AS leaderboards for all three factions. Notice that one is kind of dominating? That's because so many organized/competitive players rerolled DC. Just like what happened in Oct 2014 on TB when EP was the FOTM faction. The campaign score is not representative of competitive balance. At all.

In 2015, TB died a slow death until the remaining AD and DC guilds hopped campaigns to avoid the EP hoard. Soon, we will start doing the same again as AS is an unplayable nightmare prime time. it's already happened to a large degree.

Besides VE, who rerolled like 8 months ago, what other guilds are you talking about? Furthermore, a good number of the original red VE that rerolled have stopped playing the game by now; we might even be at a point where the guild is majority native blue. Going to call BS on the "so many organized/competitive players rerolled DC" until you can actually give specifics, because I play pretty much every night and there hasn't been a big DC reroll recently from what I can remember. Please feel free to prove me wrong.

The organized yellow guilds most certainly played on AS yesterday during prime-time, it just wasn't a good night for them - it happens to everyone. As for red, I see dynamic and pact militia most of the time now; it looks like haxus has bounced to another campaign again.

I remember banging our heads against a wall for a few weeks straight when IC launched and we were fighting as the main blue presence on TF outnumbered against a nightly GoS emp with all scrolls + SWP and pugs. It was grueling, and challenging. Frankly, I feel like guilds today just don't have stamina. They lose a few times and ragequit or bounce somewhere else. It's sad that there are only enough competitive guilds to occupy 1-2 campaigns, but when the stronger guilds move elsewhere, map balance obviously shifts. People complain about stacking, sometimes literally while doing it themselves, but everyone does it. There were times last night in AS where each alliance had overwhelming numbers during fights. People complain about lag, but I hear people complaining about lag on haderus almost as much as I hear it on AS. If guilds don't want to fight, it's hard to accuse the last one standing for the night of being guilty for farming when chances are the competition just went to a different campaign to do the same. Maybe your efforts should be focused on getting the red guilds to play. I logged early last night because yellow's pop died and their guilds left, and it looked like red had only small groups from dynamic/pact militia + pugs and were getting steamrolled at scroll area. You know what happens when competition leaves? The number of objectives to take dwindles and you start getting all of the alliance at one spot and shifting from playing the map to farming because there's nothing left to play on the map. You know what happens when competition stays? Alliances have to fight on multiple fronts and are typically forced to spread out (as much as the awful emp system that funnels you to certain keeps will allow) and pugs have the morale to keep playing and pushing objectives with the guilds.

Maybe your efforts should be focused on making sure guilds show up to the party?

To be fair, K Hole has about half of it's members who were originally AD. There were also some smaller red guilds that flipped, Xylena's for instance, Commader(lol) Tiberius.

Very true though that there are few native EP left in VE from the reroll, many of them don't play anymore.

You also have some small scale and solo players who flipped as well, or singular people who rerolled/switched like myself, Winnie, Teapot, etc. It all adds up.

The same can be said for yellow and red though. Pain used to be one of the main blue leads, most of the blue rerolls you listed still play on other alliances, and you gave yourself as an example, but haven't you been playing yellow most of the time recently? The original statement was hyperbole and gives impression that there just aren't competitive players/guilds on the other alliances that can challenge those on blue, and that's false.

Zheg wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

Takllin wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

zyk wrote: »

PosternHouse wrote: »

Wouldn't showing restraint be a good thing?

Only for the DC AP farmers. Go to your journal and look at the AS leaderboards for all three factions. Notice that one is kind of dominating? That's because so many organized/competitive players rerolled DC. Just like what happened in Oct 2014 on TB when EP was the FOTM faction. The campaign score is not representative of competitive balance. At all.

In 2015, TB died a slow death until the remaining AD and DC guilds hopped campaigns to avoid the EP hoard. Soon, we will start doing the same again as AS is an unplayable nightmare prime time. it's already happened to a large degree.

Besides VE, who rerolled like 8 months ago, what other guilds are you talking about? Furthermore, a good number of the original red VE that rerolled have stopped playing the game by now; we might even be at a point where the guild is majority native blue. Going to call BS on the "so many organized/competitive players rerolled DC" until you can actually give specifics, because I play pretty much every night and there hasn't been a big DC reroll recently from what I can remember. Please feel free to prove me wrong.

The organized yellow guilds most certainly played on AS yesterday during prime-time, it just wasn't a good night for them - it happens to everyone. As for red, I see dynamic and pact militia most of the time now; it looks like haxus has bounced to another campaign again.

I remember banging our heads against a wall for a few weeks straight when IC launched and we were fighting as the main blue presence on TF outnumbered against a nightly GoS emp with all scrolls + SWP and pugs. It was grueling, and challenging. Frankly, I feel like guilds today just don't have stamina. They lose a few times and ragequit or bounce somewhere else. It's sad that there are only enough competitive guilds to occupy 1-2 campaigns, but when the stronger guilds move elsewhere, map balance obviously shifts. People complain about stacking, sometimes literally while doing it themselves, but everyone does it. There were times last night in AS where each alliance had overwhelming numbers during fights. People complain about lag, but I hear people complaining about lag on haderus almost as much as I hear it on AS. If guilds don't want to fight, it's hard to accuse the last one standing for the night of being guilty for farming when chances are the competition just went to a different campaign to do the same. Maybe your efforts should be focused on getting the red guilds to play. I logged early last night because yellow's pop died and their guilds left, and it looked like red had only small groups from dynamic/pact militia + pugs and were getting steamrolled at scroll area. You know what happens when competition leaves? The number of objectives to take dwindles and you start getting all of the alliance at one spot and shifting from playing the map to farming because there's nothing left to play on the map. You know what happens when competition stays? Alliances have to fight on multiple fronts and are typically forced to spread out (as much as the awful emp system that funnels you to certain keeps will allow) and pugs have the morale to keep playing and pushing objectives with the guilds.

Maybe your efforts should be focused on making sure guilds show up to the party?

To be fair, K Hole has about half of it's members who were originally AD. There were also some smaller red guilds that flipped, Xylena's for instance, Commader(lol) Tiberius.

Very true though that there are few native EP left in VE from the reroll, many of them don't play anymore.

You also have some small scale and solo players who flipped as well, or singular people who rerolled/switched like myself, Winnie, Teapot, etc. It all adds up.

The same can be said for yellow and red though. Pain used to be one of the main blue leads, most of the blue rerolls you listed still play on other alliances, and you gave yourself as an example, but haven't you been playing yellow most of the time recently? The original statement was hyperbole and gives impression that there just aren't competitive players/guilds on the other alliances that can challenge those on blue, and that's false.

Doesn't matter if DC got more people rerolling or not. The main point was to realize that DC has way more experienced players, talented guilds and organisation and could easily control the map if they would just lift their little finger. They say they don't do it to keep the morale up? I say they don't do it because they would rather AP farm than focusing on objectives. The leaderboard and the regular marathons show it all.

Now what is the solution to this?

1- Remaining EP experienced players/guilds need to constantly help more casual guild/players to improve their gameplay. I have been doing this for the past months and it's been a very very slow process. Alot of EP players just don't want to get helped or simply just don't care. What they want is to stack as many players as possible on top of each other and zerg enemy organized groups. I've been trying to change their mind but it's not easy AT ALL. When someone doesn't wanna get helped, you simply can't force him.

2- One DC guild should consider guesting in a different campaign when their faction is already in a good state

3- Some DCs may consider rerolling EP

If we're being realistic, more often than not the other campaigns simply can't support one of the three main AS blue guilds hopping there (VE, harlocke, CN). They either don't have enough organized resistance, or just don't have the numbers and it's a dead buff campaign. I wish the vet rank removal would be coming with TG and not DB, as it will just allow our guild to split half blue and half red and fight each other the whole night, but something tells me by the time DB comes out we'll be spending time in CU beta.

Regarding DC rerolling, red's problem is that you don't have guilds playing AS. You have the numbers, more than any other alliance I'd say, you just don't have the organized presence to push objectives, and when you do, are usually fighting seasoned blue/yellow guilds. Having a few blue reroll won't change that, you'd need a guild, and at that point, the balance just shifts the other way.

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

we are arguably the most objective focused guild in this game right now. Thats why DC is always stuck with such a *** emp.

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

Your forums posts short and to the point. .

Zheg wrote: »

Takllin wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

zyk wrote: »

PosternHouse wrote: »

Wouldn't showing restraint be a good thing?

Only for the DC AP farmers. Go to your journal and look at the AS leaderboards for all three factions. Notice that one is kind of dominating? That's because so many organized/competitive players rerolled DC. Just like what happened in Oct 2014 on TB when EP was the FOTM faction. The campaign score is not representative of competitive balance. At all.

In 2015, TB died a slow death until the remaining AD and DC guilds hopped campaigns to avoid the EP hoard. Soon, we will start doing the same again as AS is an unplayable nightmare prime time. it's already happened to a large degree.

Besides VE, who rerolled like 8 months ago, what other guilds are you talking about? Furthermore, a good number of the original red VE that rerolled have stopped playing the game by now; we might even be at a point where the guild is majority native blue. Going to call BS on the "so many organized/competitive players rerolled DC" until you can actually give specifics, because I play pretty much every night and there hasn't been a big DC reroll recently from what I can remember. Please feel free to prove me wrong.

The organized yellow guilds most certainly played on AS yesterday during prime-time, it just wasn't a good night for them - it happens to everyone. As for red, I see dynamic and pact militia most of the time now; it looks like haxus has bounced to another campaign again.

I remember banging our heads against a wall for a few weeks straight when IC launched and we were fighting as the main blue presence on TF outnumbered against a nightly GoS emp with all scrolls + SWP and pugs. It was grueling, and challenging. Frankly, I feel like guilds today just don't have stamina. They lose a few times and ragequit or bounce somewhere else. It's sad that there are only enough competitive guilds to occupy 1-2 campaigns, but when the stronger guilds move elsewhere, map balance obviously shifts. People complain about stacking, sometimes literally while doing it themselves, but everyone does it. There were times last night in AS where each alliance had overwhelming numbers during fights. People complain about lag, but I hear people complaining about lag on haderus almost as much as I hear it on AS. If guilds don't want to fight, it's hard to accuse the last one standing for the night of being guilty for farming when chances are the competition just went to a different campaign to do the same. Maybe your efforts should be focused on getting the red guilds to play. I logged early last night because yellow's pop died and their guilds left, and it looked like red had only small groups from dynamic/pact militia + pugs and were getting steamrolled at scroll area. You know what happens when competition leaves? The number of objectives to take dwindles and you start getting all of the alliance at one spot and shifting from playing the map to farming because there's nothing left to play on the map. You know what happens when competition stays? Alliances have to fight on multiple fronts and are typically forced to spread out (as much as the awful emp system that funnels you to certain keeps will allow) and pugs have the morale to keep playing and pushing objectives with the guilds.

Maybe your efforts should be focused on making sure guilds show up to the party?

To be fair, K Hole has about half of it's members who were originally AD. There were also some smaller red guilds that flipped, Xylena's for instance, Commader(lol) Tiberius.

Very true though that there are few native EP left in VE from the reroll, many of them don't play anymore.

You also have some small scale and solo players who flipped as well, or singular people who rerolled/switched like myself, Winnie, Teapot, etc. It all adds up.

The same can be said for yellow and red though. Pain used to be one of the main blue leads, most of the blue rerolls you listed still play on other alliances, and you gave yourself as an example, but haven't you been playing yellow most of the time recently? The original statement was hyperbole and gives impression that there just aren't competitive players/guilds on the other alliances that can challenge those on blue, and that's false.

PosternHouse wrote: »

The numbers game is pretty even right now. The organization game is not. Everyone poplocks during NA primetime. Accusations of overwhelming numbers are laughable at that point. And much to my dismay, DC mostly disappears by 2-3 AM EST, and AD and EP both retain enough numbers to run large ball groups. Why they do not take advantage of this sudden drop in DC population to take all their territory back while putting DC to their gates beats me.

People rerolling isn't going to fix anything right now. AD and EP just need to give a damn about their pugs, and their pugs need to listen and learn. A lot of the elite guilds pull the "IDGAF" card on their pugs because they don't want to stress themselves out teaching poor players to not be so poor. Say what you want about Chuck Norris, but they took the time to turn confused puglets into players with adequate group play. Someone on AD and EP needs to take that time too. I mean you don't actually need to ... but it seems like you do if you're going to complain about DC having map control. If map control and campaign score matter, the morale and organization of your pugs also matters. People don't get to dgaf and also have a healthy faction.

Elong wrote: »

There's a lot of finger pointing going on again, which is a shame.

EP came back very strong in the second half of the campaign, thanks to a lot of cooperation between guilds, despite DC players stating otherwise above. Players from the so called "elitist" guilds playing with others, coordinating others. It'll go from strength to strength.

WRX wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

There's always the next patch. It's going to be more of a numbers game for sure, you likely won't need a Rage/Haxus raid online to hold the frontier.

Still, wish there were other guilds to fight. Id love to fight a Nexus right now, hell id even take a TKO that ran on the regular.

Shittt.. Id love to fight a TKO on a regular basis too! Id get to 6 stars in a month.

Pchela wrote: »

Working with the EP guilds isn't going to perform over night magic either. It is taking time, but it is happening. Myself has been locked out of campaign after rehoming elsewhere so I haven't been in AZ since reset to resume the work I was doing.