Should ZOS Nerf Veteran Maelstorm ?

LadyNalcarya · January 2016

Don't Nerf !

Faulgor wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

I don't want it nerfed, I want it fixed.
The difficulty is all based on oneshot mechanics, it doesn't make for challenging content, it makes for infuriating content.
First thing I want to see fixed : red circles actually showing the aoe area (stage 7 minder teleport telegraph
Overall when I do the arena, I don't enjoy my time, but I have to do it for the op weapons.

Yeah, that's basically my problem with it. It's not entertaining difficulty, but a frustrating one.
I love the Dark Souls series, especially for its difficulty. But vMSA just throws tons of enemies and one-shot abilitites at you and hopes something will get through your defenses (preferably shields, of course), instead of introducing new and challenging mechanics. There are some like that (such as the bosst fight in Ice Rink and ... I forgot the name of the spider stage), but these mechanics are not what make the arena difficult.

So, no, don't nerf the arena. But next time, I'd like to see difficult content made difficult because of challenging mechanics and not more enemy health/damage.

Im also a big fan of Souls series and I absolutely agree. That game's difficulty is based on mechanics and player's reaction rather than rng and oneshots. That's why its challenging but if you're good you can beat it without leveling up and/or without dying.
If I die in Dark Souls, I know its my fault and it motivates me to play better next time. If I die to aoe damage in vMA when Im 5 meters away from red circle I just feel irritated. When I get my weapon, I will never go to vMA again and will try to forget it like a bad dream.
P.S. Its nice that Zos is trying to make something challenging, but imo SO and DSA were designed much better.

Joy_Division · January 2016

Don't Nerf !

siddique wrote: »

I have been stuck at Frozen Rink since the damn arena came out. Yet, I highly disagree with the idea of nerfing it. It bothers me too, I get mad, frustrated and curse at my screen mindlessly after dozens of failed attempts. But I have something to look forward to, to make my character better.

If dozens of others can do it, I can too and hopefully, I will soon. This is an extremely high motivational factor. I have learnt a hell lot of stuff doing this. So please, no nerfs.

The frozen rink I find to be the hardest stage because the ranged adds are so dangerous. Learn when they spawn and be sure to use the defensive power buff, it's a huge help.

pronkg · January 2016

Don't Nerf !

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Some of it is just plain stupid though. Today on the spider round right at the start and for 5 attempts I had lightening all over the one glowing pillar....I mean srs what can I honestly do. It doesn't need a nerf it just needs some damn fixes. Esp on console the synergies are a pain to activate and even literally right now....killed for 1647 damage only....full armor and shields were up...so who knows what's going.

You don't have to stand on the pillar, just walk past it. It's not plain stupid there is a trick and method for literally everything. I can assure its finishable with no deaths any time you want to If you know how.

mistermutiny89 · January 2016

Don't Nerf !

It took everything I had with my vr16 magicka nb to out dps the first boss in VMA and I barely killed the first boss after an hour of trying with all map buffs plus 20k health and 35k magicka with buffed 7.5k swallow souls and 11k cripple dots. Then I got into the second map and the blades killed me before I could even get in position so I left and plan on coming back with 500 champion points.

That however doesn't mean it should be nerfed. What should really happen is that the normal version should be buffed. My heavy attacks kill most of the ads before I can cast a swallow soul. The skill and damage difference is far, far too great.

Molag_Crow · January 2016

Don't Nerf !

Honestly, I thought it was impossible too and it made me furious when learning the mechanics, but it's so worth it in the end and you'll be laughing at how you used to struggle in there, in future.

Solariken · January 2016

Don't Nerf !

Don't nerf, but let it save progress so people with limited play time like me can start to learn and complete it.

FFS, add save points already.

Derra · January 2016

Don't Nerf !

Implement a saving function to make practice easier.

Don´t nerf it. If a bosmer magica templar without undaunted can do it - everyone can.

strikeback1247 · January 2016

Don't Nerf !

Axorn wrote: »

EsoRecon wrote: »

I haven't even gotten past the second stage in vMSA and I don't want it to be nerfed. The weapons you get from there are good and so only good players should get them. The truth hurts. (And I know I just called myself a bad player.)

I really dont understand this logic. If these weapons are so good and you give these weapons to only the best players. These "best players" already beaten the hardest content with their previous non best weapons... so these weapons doesnt make any sense its all about skill...

The rich get richer and the best get better.

Working as intended.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · January 2016

Don't Nerf !

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Some of it is just plain stupid though. Today on the spider round right at the start and for 5 attempts I had lightening all over the one glowing pillar....I mean srs what can I honestly do. It doesn't need a nerf it just needs some damn fixes. Esp on console the synergies are a pain to activate and even literally right now....killed for 1647 damage only....full armor and shields were up...so who knows what's going.

I agree, there are just too many unavoidable deaths in this place that need to be fixed, not nerfed. I died over the weekend with 4 pillars clear (i like to save the 5th) and spiders came with no safe spot (thought they addressed that in a recent patch, but it definitely happened).

I also think a lot of this stuff needs to just happen automatically. I was on last boss on Saturday, and the upstairs portals simply stopped working. I had to force quit my client. I would kill the clanfear on top of portal, and when i hit the button to activate, I would do a weapon swap. I left the arena to talk to one of the NPCs (same command) and it would still weapon swap. I have seen that same bug in other areas of the game. That portal should just need to be stepped on if it is active. Also, the lightening AoE should not spawn on the glowing pillars as you stated, and in round 7, the poison should not spawn under a shield from one of the adds. Or if they do, the above mentioned mechanics (shields and glowing pillars) should mitigate a bunch of the damage.

mistermutiny89 wrote: »

It took everything I had with my vr16 magicka nb to out dps the first boss in VMA and I barely killed the first boss after an hour of trying with all map buffs plus 20k health and 35k magicka with buffed 7.5k swallow souls and 11k cripple dots. Then I got into the second map and the blades killed me before I could even get in position so I left and plan on coming back with 500 champion points.

That however doesn't mean it should be nerfed. What should really happen is that the normal version should be buffed. My heavy attacks kill most of the ads before I can cast a swallow soul. The skill and damage difference is far, far too great.

Right or wrong, the first boss is a DPS check. As the arena sits right now, its probably a good thing. If you are getting more than 2-3 adds on the first boss, you will probably run into a wall later on in the arena. It essentially acts as a DPS gate for the later rounds. 35K magic, might be a touch low for a siphonblade. More magic is more DPS. Also, Normal definitely needs a buff. I haven't tried, but I bet you could clear with heavy attacks and a few random heals.

Acrolas · January 2016

What Maelstrom really needs is a spectator area so you can watch noobs getting rekt.
Also, more dinosaurs.

Autolycus · January 2016

Don't Nerf !

Jura23 wrote: »

Let's not pretend PvE can be competitive.

What does that even mean, "PvE can't be competitive?"

I'm also curious how far you've made it, and how much time you've spent on it. I don't want to draw any assumptions here, but from what I've seen the majority of people who say things like this haven't spent enough time on it to actually get through it. Perhaps you have, and that's why I ask. I'm just saying that a lack of playtime and needing a nerf are two completely different things.

CavalierPrime · January 2016

Heindrich wrote: »

Pls don't kill ESO as an MMO by removing literally the only thing that's solo

That's basically what youre saying and it makes no sense.

Autolycus · January 2016

Don't Nerf !

AltusVenifus wrote: »

I would say don't nerf it, but I want the weapons and don't want to do the content.

Then don't do the content and craft yourself vr16 weapons, just like everyone else who doesn't want to do it. You don't have to complete it to be good at your build or have a great gear setup.

Let me put this the other way around for you. "I beat vMA and earned my weapon, plus I became a much better player and thoroughly enjoyed the experience. I don't want lazy people to have it, though."

Xjcon · January 2016

Nerf !

There was no option for I don't care.

Everything in VMA should have been BOE. Then the players who are Hardcore could have at least profit from players who cant/won't complete it.

Xantaria · January 2016

Don't Nerf !

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Woeler · January 2016

Don't Nerf !

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Nifty2g · January 2016

Nerf !

Hard to say what this poll means by nerf but honestly it needs damage adjustments on some things. A lot of the physical damage is out of hand

It's easy to just clear this content but being competitive in it is a huge turn off, take a look at the leaderboards they haven't moved at all for the past 3 weeks. No one is attempting to beat scores or doing it more than a weekly run.
I mean it's up to them but I know a lot of people who have stopped running VMA.

Then again ZOS marks ESO as non competitive so I doubt they even care

hedna123b14_ESO · January 2016

Don't Nerf !

Axorn wrote: »

I entered vet Maelstorm arena first time today I stuck on arena 5 round 3 with my magicka sorcerer no matter what i did i just kept fail. Mobs were just so overwhelming for a sinle player...

Before enter i ve read all the guides watched all the videos on internet i tried my own tactics but no nothing worked.
My items all legandary with legandary enchants 5x julianos 4x magnus 3x willpower arcane all divine with nirn weapons.

I tried literally everything spent lots of gold respeccing/repairs/pots...

Also i got minumum 225-260 ping on NA server maybe thats the reason but i think it should get nerfed.
With pugs few times i was able to finish vCoA and Never finished IC dungeons on vet so with these statistics this arena is not for %95 of the players.. Which they've paid for that DLC and they cant finish the content...

Thats why i canceled my sub few minuntes ago because i pay money for DLCs and i expect entertainment in return not headache or rage or mindless difficulty...I like challenge too i really do i hate easy games i didnt even bother with normal arena. But this is too much. We have already score system and leaderboard its already competitive making this bit easier wont change anything in competition sense, better players still will have better score.

Cyrodiil is unplayable with insane lag and DLC contents are too hard solo/pugging what else left to do? Daily quests i guess..

Normally I would offer some constructive feedback, but due to the entitlement filling this post I am going to have to just say L2P...especially if you are failing with a magicka sorc...

Sharkano · January 2016

At least if they added a save function the 98% of the player base who fail at Vet could peck away at it and maybe progress.

Julianos · January 2016

Nerf !

lol nvm guys i will just not going to do it again its not worth the hassle its only consume my pots/gold and make me mad and i know if i go stubborn i can do it but no need.

Vaoh · January 2016

Don't Nerf !

Bug fixes and a save option would be nice. No nerfs though. This needs to stay difficult.

MrGigglypants · January 2016

Don't Nerf !

Casdha wrote: »

Do some players cheat to finish this? Of course they do

But the fact that there are players that can do it legitimately is the only reason I need for it to get a No Nerf vote from me.

Look at it this way, it could have been worse. If you died on a final round of an arena they could have shipped you back to round 1.

There are no cheats don't get people's hopes up.

MrGigglypants · January 2016

Don't Nerf !

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Some of it is just plain stupid though. Today on the spider round right at the start and for 5 attempts I had lightening all over the one glowing pillar....I mean srs what can I honestly do. It doesn't need a nerf it just needs some damn fixes. Esp on console the synergies are a pain to activate and even literally right now....killed for 1647 damage only....full armor and shields were up...so who knows what's going.

Don't stand on the pillar move around it up just bait the spiders into it once they glow walk away they won't do anything. I agree they 2 button synergy sucks I wish it was like down on the d pad or something

Molag_Crow · January 2016

Don't Nerf !

Nifty2g wrote: »

Hard to say what this poll means by nerf but honestly it needs damage adjustments on some things. A lot of the physical damage is out of hand

It's easy to just clear this content but being competitive in it is a huge turn off, take a look at the leaderboards they haven't moved at all for the past 3 weeks. No one is attempting to beat scores or doing it more than a weekly run.
I mean it's up to them but I know a lot of people who have stopped running VMA.

Then again ZOS marks ESO as non competitive so I doubt they even care

That's actually very true because the amount of times I died to the most basic, physical hit (even with CP into Light armor increase) was just shocking. It's cheesy, it's not even challenging to just get slapped by a huge Crem Guard claw combined with spells and elements hitting you.

The physical damage definitely needs a slight nerf in my opinion, but the spell damage is fine-ish.

Woodoochill · January 2016

Don't Nerf !

And what did you expected? to kill it on first try and get in leaderboards? People were trying couple of weeks to master it and it should stay this way... if ZOS remove another challenge from this game then literally nothing will left to keep many players entertained...

AltusVenifus · January 2016

Nerf !

Destruent wrote: »

AltusVenifus wrote: »

I would say don't nerf it, but I want the weapons and don't want to do the content.

Your problem, nothing else. Stop complaining about difficulty in a stupidly easy game! All Group content is nerfed so hard, it's sometimes no more fun to do, just plain stupid AoE-Bombing and bursting everything down.

Pretty sure my post was specific... I've done VMSA and gotten the gear I want out of it... Well mostly. It was not fun or hard... It just takes learning dumb spawn timers and attacks... Everyone in the forum could do it if they spent 3 hours a day doing it for 2- 3 weeks. But the vast majority just want the gear... And don't want to or care if they beat it.

My grip is with gear gates in what I consider a pvp game, if u truly liked the content and not the elitism and competitive advantage it brings then suggest having malstrum weapons after every stage... That way u could play the way u want, and I could play the way o want...

Molag_Crow · January 2016

Don't Nerf !

And to add onto Nifty's recent comment, it's also true that the leaderboards are pretty stagnant because of that.

I would love to compete for score, but with the amount of cheesy, unpredictable one-shot deaths (like mainly physical attacks) completely puts me off. It's too intense. I have finally cleared it by the way so I'm not just saying this for the sake of it, but I like the place and I like the challenge of the mechanics, it's just the damage from the NPCs is a bit too much.

If anybody thinks otherwise, tell me this. Why is there a total of;

100+ Sorcerers
74 Nightblades
42 Templars
23 Dragonknights.

- Across all factions who've completed Veteran Maelstrom Arena on the EU megaserver, PS4?

Simply because Sorcerers have the best damage-absorb shield (ward) and mobility (some can argue damage too.)

It's not just because of their mobility or damage, it's because of the shield absorb helping them avoid the heavy physical (and spell, but not so much) damage in most stages, especially stage 9 (Crem Guards, Archers etc.)

Molag_Crow · January 2016

Don't Nerf !

So with that said, I honestly wouldn't be disappointed IF they did nerf vMSA, despite my vote. (damage-wise ((physical))

J2JMC · January 2016

They just need to remove the snares. The fact that EVERY single stage has multiple enemies with snares is stupid and lazy. Stage 1 bubble and Stage 6 mini-spider I completely understand. Everything else is just unnecessary and annoying because they couldn't think of a way to make more challenging mechanics.

RatedChaotic · January 2016

Don't Nerf !

Agree no nerf. If you make everything easy then it becomes boring. Didnt see anything about how many champion points you had. I say if your at 300cp or lower it should be hard. Some have done with less and I applaud them. If your higher than that I feel sorry for ya. But keeping the arena the way it is helps fine tune your character. You cant expect to go in there full glass cannon and breeze through it. You actually have to think about your defenses as well as offense.