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Should ZOS Nerf Veteran Maelstorm ?
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Destruent✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Don't Nerf !AltusVenifus wrote: »I would say don't nerf it, but I want the weapons and don't want to do the content.
Your problem, nothing else. Stop complaining about difficulty in a stupidly easy game! All Group content is nerfed so hard, it's sometimes no more fun to do, just plain stupid AoE-Bombing and bursting everything down.Noobplar2 -
Faulgor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I don't want it nerfed, I want it fixed.
The difficulty is all based on oneshot mechanics, it doesn't make for challenging content, it makes for infuriating content.
First thing I want to see fixed : red circles actually showing the aoe area (stage 7 minder teleport telegraph
Overall when I do the arena, I don't enjoy my time, but I have to do it for the op weapons.
Yeah, that's basically my problem with it. It's not entertaining difficulty, but a frustrating one.
I love the Dark Souls series, especially for its difficulty. But vMSA just throws tons of enemies and one-shot abilitites at you and hopes something will get through your defenses (preferably shields, of course), instead of introducing new and challenging mechanics. There are some like that (such as the bosst fight in Ice Rink and ... I forgot the name of the spider stage), but these mechanics are not what make the arena difficult.
So, no, don't nerf the arena. But next time, I'd like to see difficult content made difficult because of challenging mechanics and not more enemy health/damage.Alandrol Sul: He's making another Numidium?!?
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willymchilybily✭✭✭✭Don't Nerf !couldnt complete it on his first try doesnt even know the mechanics from normal. asks for a nerf.... Is this honestly a real thread? Really....OP Gear doesnt matter its technique and practice. It took me hours of time spread over a few weeks. its not a must have no life challenge its a must have sheer stubborn determination challenge. But coming to the forums after your "first time" and asking for a nerf, maybe the content just isnt for you.Edited by willymchilybily on January 25, 2016 2:46PMPSN - WarpPigeon - Guild: TheSyndicate - EU, Ebonheart PactDragon Knight [Magicka] - 720 - StormproofNight Blade [Magicka] - 720 - StormproofSorcerer [Magicka] - 720 - Flawless ConquerorTemplar [Magicka] - 720 - StormproofDragon Knight [Stamina] - 720 - StormproofNight Blade [Stamina] - 720 - StormproofSorcerer [Stamina] - 7205 -
Joy_Division✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Don't Nerf !I entered vet Maelstorm arena first time today I stuck on arena 5 round 3 with my magicka sorcerer no matter what i did i just kept fail. Mobs were just so overwhelming for a sinle player...
Thats why i canceled my sub few minuntes ago
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Zapzarap✭✭✭✭Don't Nerf !Broken Game, designed for broken mechanics.
If you do not animation cancel or use macro abilities, you will not get very far in vMal.
Not worth the aggravation, just walk away you will get over it.
HAHAHAHA! I have some players in my guild which managed to be on the leaderboard and have the no death run... No one of those used macros. Guess y are just not good enough.Rolle: Tank
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TheDarkShadow✭✭✭✭✭
✭Don't Nerf !You can still play what you pay for without headache in normal mode. It the same as vet, just weaker mobs.
However, I'd like some change like no repair cost, free re-spec, more gold in each chest... The pots cost alone is bad enough.1 -
Molag_Crow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Don't Nerf !Joy_Division wrote: »
Indeed. First time in there and he's expecting to clear it/get what he wants.
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Chaquinho89✭✭✭Don't Nerf !ESO's PVE content is already easy enough, nerfing a fairly easy SOLO content would be bad. That feeling of acomplishment would go away!PC / NA.
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Ethromelb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Don't Nerf !That's what makes this arena great. It wasn't meant to be done by everybody. There is plenty of content to be done by the general population, for example, Normal Mode that you admittedly skipped. Perhaps if you had done it ... not only would it have allowed you to get a strategy in advance, knowing all the arenas ... it would've also let you know if you were cut out for the vet version. I'm a blunt person, but I mean no offense - please take none.
My opinion is that you ran before you could walk. I personally like the fact that there are barely 0.3% of people that can do the normal version. I have a himitsu guild/clan called Chinomichi Sword Masters, and we only recruit the best capable players. So when I see the title "Maelstrom Arena Champion" above their head ... I know their skilled. They get an invite.
Players with the skill to defeat the arena on vet deserve the notoriety of being the minority and the title that comes with it. The experts need something that isn't going to be nerf pleaded by the masses. Please stop trying to take this one away from us too. Keep getting stronger and eventually you will get it.Edited by Ethromelb14_ESO on January 25, 2016 2:46PMMotto: Make deceivers believers.
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Spacemonkey✭✭✭✭✭Don't Nerf !I have trouble finishing Normal MSA .... (unsure if my vet lvl and lack of cp has something to do with it - or just cz i have a hp-stamplar >_< - DPS wall is tough to break even on normal - allthough I don't have all legendary gear etc...)
I don't want them to Nerf Vet MSA no matter what they do. I want to be able ot one day pass it and go BOOM -YA done!
Took me so many tries to pass MegaManX on SNES as a kid (its honestly not that hard) - and the day I passed it remains one of the best gaming memories I have.
If the content is FUN, I don't care how hard it is, I'll keep playing it until i pass it. And feel all the better when I do. If the content sucks. Then complain about THAT, not how hard it is.0 -
Shadesofkin✭✭✭✭✭
✭Don't Nerf !You know, as much as I often disagree with people, I tend to put things in the least offensive way possible. I'm a quick to anger but slow to post it kinda guy when it comes to disagreeing with peoples thoughts.
That being said, you need to stop. You need to come see me when you've played it on a Dragonknight day after day and week after week since it's been released, when all your trade store cash is going into making sure you have multiple types of potions and enough gold to repair should it become a thing. I've gotten there on sheer stubbornnes, I haven't even beaten it yet, but I know that among my fellow DK's I've gotten the farthest (Stage 5 of Arena 9) and that took me 4 1/2 hours of play.
You need to quit calling for nerfs on content just because you want the cool weapon. I don't call for the ability to earn Alliance Points without going into Cyrodil and I *loathe* PvP in a manner that makes me wonder if I might be crazy.
Do us a favor...please R.S.V.P. my invitation to Shut. It.0 -
NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Don't Nerf !I haven't gotten too far on Vet mode but I'd like there to be incredible challenges in the game still-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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TotterTates✭✭✭✭Shadesofkin wrote: »You know, as much as I often disagree with people, I tend to put things in the least offensive way possible. I'm a quick to anger but slow to post it kinda guy when it comes to disagreeing with peoples thoughts.
That being said, you need to stop. You need to come see me when you've played it on a Dragonknight day after day and week after week since it's been released, when all your trade store cash is going into making sure you have multiple types of potions and enough gold to repair should it become a thing. I've gotten there on sheer stubbornnes, I haven't even beaten it yet, but I know that among my fellow DK's I've gotten the farthest (Stage 5 of Arena 9) and that took me 4 1/2 hours of play.
You need to quit calling for nerfs on content just because you want the cool weapon. I don't call for the ability to earn Alliance Points without going into Cyrodil and I *loathe* PvP in a manner that makes me wonder if I might be crazy.
Do us a favor...please R.S.V.P. my invitation to Shut. It.
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siddique✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Don't Nerf !I have been stuck at Frozen Rink since the damn arena came out. Yet, I highly disagree with the idea of nerfing it. It bothers me too, I get mad, frustrated and curse at my screen mindlessly after dozens of failed attempts. But I have something to look forward to, to make my character better.
If dozens of others can do it, I can too and hopefully, I will soon. This is an extremely high motivational factor. I have learnt a hell lot of stuff doing this. So please, no nerfs.
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Lightninvash✭✭✭✭✭Don't Nerf !this is a l2p issue it is supposed to be hard that is the point of the arena to be a challenge. if you cant complete it work on your combos or change the setup you have. if something ever is too hard for me I don't want a nerf I lok at it as I need to better my skills and beat the heck out of it. that is how you keep the game hard enough for those who are min/maxers so they can still have a challenge because most of the content in this game is relatively easy.
TES games used to be dangerous if you went somewhere you shouldn't be or weren't high enough level they would just obliterate you. like the old giants how iif you weren't high enough level and had enough armor/defense they would 1 shot you and send you flying 1000000000 feet in the air. This is what I remember about TES games. this one I took my lvl 3 char through orsinium by the time I got to the old orisinium dungeon I was lvl 6 and grinded with ease till lvl 13. I did this to see if I could and sill be effective(yes I know battle leveling and such.) So having some content that poses a challenge is good for a game like this.0 -
Casdha✭✭✭✭✭
✭Don't Nerf !Do some players cheat to finish this? Of course they do
But the fact that there are players that can do it legitimately is the only reason I need for it to get a No Nerf vote from me.
Look at it this way, it could have been worse. If you died on a final round of an arena they could have shipped you back to round 1.Proud member of the Psijic Order - The first wave - The 0.016%1 -
Islyn✭✭✭✭✭
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Although using the word aspirational for a game like this makes me go
really - but I know what you mean. :-) 
Edited by Islyn on January 25, 2016 3:59PMMember of the Old Guard - Closed Betas 20130 -
Hand_Bacon✭✭✭✭✭Don't Nerf !The problem with polls like this is if you give people the option to vote for "gimme" stuff they usually will. Its nice to see that this particular topic seems the exception.
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Zaenidd✭✭✭Don't Nerf !today, this is the only content which asks good build, learning mechanics and improving our gameplay
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Julianos✭✭✭✭✭Nerf !AltusVenifus wrote: »I would say don't nerf it, but I want the weapons and don't want to do the content.
Your problem, nothing else. Stop complaining about difficulty in a stupidly easy game! All Group content is nerfed so hard, it's sometimes no more fun to do, just plain stupid AoE-Bombing and bursting everything down.
i agree with that but the vmsa its bit overkill but idk it was my first try also i got high ping (250)0 -
Hope499✭✭✭✭Don't Nerf !people are beating it in under an hour now, with no deaths...and you want it nerfed???
Cmon....there are THOUSANDS of other things that are already easy in this game, go play that and leave our only difficult thing alone please.Tripped over my friends bra.....
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Wreuntzylla✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭AltusVenifus wrote: »I would say don't nerf it, but I want the weapons and don't want to do the content.
Your problem, nothing else. Stop complaining about difficulty in a stupidly easy game! All Group content is nerfed so hard, it's sometimes no more fun to do, just plain stupid AoE-Bombing and bursting everything down.
If you want a challenge you should try it on Ultra-High Super Veteran Mode.
You switch to this mode by spamming lfg in zone chat and accepting the first invite you get.0 -
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Oreyn_Bearclaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Don't Nerf !Let's not pretend PvE can be competitive.
I am not sure which post I dislike more, the OP or the first troll to chime in. Perhaps you are not competitive in PvE, but that doesn't mean PvE is not competitive. VMA leaderboards are full for Sorcs and will be for NBs very soon. Once a new trial is dropped, you know people will be doing everything to get that first clear and then to stay on the boards.
To the OP, you got stuck at the same spot that 90% of the people I talk to get stuck the first time. Its an overwhelming stage. You likely dont have the add priority figured out, or your DPS needs a little work. Give up if you want, but that is not grounds for a nerf hammer. Nefing because you cant clear on your first attempt would diminish the hours/days that most of us spent to get out first clear.
Now I will say that VMA needs "fixed". I am over needing a checkpoint, but it would be nice for people learning for the first time or perhaps trying to get an Alt through. Also, something goes on in there that causes my ping to go crazy. I used to think it was stage specific, but now I think it is simply time spent in the arena. I generally need to force quite after about 60-75 minutes. There are a handful of mechanics (wont go into them) that cause too much RNG. If the only way to fix them is to remove them, then maybe I am calling for a scalpel nerf in some spots.
The loot system is also extremely frustrating. This will likely be what makes me stop running this (or perhaps leave the game). I have only been clearing for a few weeks and already have duplicate Weapons that I don't need. They really need to figure out a way to prevent double drops if they are refusing to overhaul the loot system in its entirety. Or do what EVERYONE wants. Make a token system already. This would be such an easy place to implement it. 5 runs/tokens for a weapon of your choosing, 10 runs for a weapon and trait of your choosing, or something to that effect.
The last thing I think that would make this piece of content SOOOO much more appealing would be to implement a 2-man version. I dont think you would have to change much, perhaps give some of the bosses a little more health and reduce the drop rates. Or better yet, leave the already horrible drop rates alone and buff them in the solo instance. I would be so much more willing to run this if I wasn't playing alone in an MMO...0 -
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✭✭Some of it is just plain stupid though. Today on the spider round right at the start and for 5 attempts I had lightening all over the one glowing pillar....I mean srs what can I honestly do. It doesn't need a nerf it just needs some damn fixes. Esp on console the synergies are a pain to activate and even literally right now....killed for 1647 damage only....full armor and shields were up...so who knows what's going.PC Master Race
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