Should ZOS Nerf Veteran Maelstorm ?

Julianos

I entered vet Maelstorm arena first time today I stuck on arena 5 round 3 with my magicka sorcerer no matter what i did i just kept fail. Mobs were just so overwhelming for a sinle player...

Before enter i ve read all the guides watched all the videos on internet i tried my own tactics but no nothing worked.
My items all legandary with legandary enchants 5x julianos 4x magnus 3x willpower arcane all divine with nirn weapons.

I tried literally everything spent lots of gold respeccing/repairs/pots...

Also i got minumum 225-260 ping on NA server maybe thats the reason but i think it should get nerfed.
With pugs few times i was able to finish vCoA and Never finished IC dungeons on vet so with these statistics this arena is not for %95 of the players.. Which they've paid for that DLC and they cant finish the content...

Thats why i canceled my sub few minuntes ago because i pay money for DLCs and i expect entertainment in return not headache or rage or mindless difficulty...I like challenge too i really do i hate easy games i didnt even bother with normal arena. But this is too much. We have already score system and leaderboard its already competitive making this bit easier wont change anything in competition sense, better players still will have better score.

Cyrodiil is unplayable with insane lag and DLC contents are too hard solo/pugging what else left to do? Daily quests i guess..

Jura23

Nerf !

Let's not pretend PvE can be competitive.

Heindrich

Don't Nerf !

Pls don't kill ESO as an MMO by removing literally the only thing that's still difficult. Why don't people understand that Trials (hard/vet modes of which) are by definition supposed to be difficult and should only be do-able by those at the very top of the game to give everyone aspirational something to work for.

Paying money for multiplayer content does not entitle you to access all the content at the difficulty of your choice!

infraction2008b16_ESO

Don't Nerf !

It's vet for a reason.

Also optimal DPS sets/builds for dungeons/trials might not be optimal for vMSA .

Paulington

Don't Nerf !

ZOS have stated multiple times they have no intention to nerf the arena as it is aspirational content, the hardest content in the game currently IMO.

Practice and practice some more then you will complete it, that's all it comes down to if your build is correct.

Julianos

Nerf !

Heindrich wrote: »

Pls don't kill ESO as an MMO by removing literally the only thing that's still difficult. Why don't people understand that Trials (hard/vet modes of which) are by definition supposed to be difficult and should only be do-able by those at the very top of the game to give everyone aspirational something to work for.

Paying money for multiplayer content does not entitle you to access all the content at the difficulty of your choice!

Paying money keep this game on its feet. And im sure majority wont like this...

infraction2008b16_ESO

Don't Nerf !

Axorn wrote: »

Heindrich wrote: »

Pls don't kill ESO as an MMO by removing literally the only thing that's still difficult. Why don't people understand that Trials (hard/vet modes of which) are by definition supposed to be difficult and should only be do-able by those at the very top of the game to give everyone aspirational something to work for.

Paying money for multiplayer content does not entitle you to access all the content at the difficulty of your choice!

Paying money keep this game on its feet. And im sure majority wont like this...

It's a solo challenge, not P2W loot.

EsoRecon

Don't Nerf !

I haven't even gotten past the second stage in vMSA and I don't want it to be nerfed. The weapons you get from there are good and so only good players should get them. The truth hurts. (And I know I just called myself a bad player.)

Zapzarap

Don't Nerf !

LOOOOL. Realy? LOOOL!

Axorn wrote: »

I entered vet Maelstorm arena first time today I stuck on arena 5 round 3 with my magicka sorcerer no matter what i did i just kept fail. Mobs were just so overwhelming for a sinle player...

Are you serious?! Players have spend days (not hours) in there to get through it... You want a content which you can play with one finger? Go ahead and leave ESO and play something different. Realy...

I dont get the point... if its to easy everyone cries and say "pla, to easy. Damned game. even a blind one can do it". If its to hard some guys like you come up (after 4h of trying) with "to hard. I canceled my sub because I am so pro and I cant do it. Nerv it or I will leave. How can you even do it. pla"

Axorn wrote: »

Also i got minumum 225-260 ping on NA server maybe thats the reason but i think it should get nerfed.
With pugs few times i was able to finish vCoA and Never finished IC dungeons on vet so with these statistics this arena is not for %95 of the players.. Which they've paid for that DLC and they cant finish the content...

I have cleared IC dungeons on PTS, even before they got nerved twice(?). Now they mobs are doing ~30%(guess it was the value) less damage then before... Right now we pull sometimes 3 groups together to get a little bit of challenge... Ok, we are maybe a little bit "better" but only because we like the game and we love to test, practise and play arround with some skills... Do you know; Some of us change there skills during a dungeon. Sometimes even from group to group...
We wiped on PTS for 15h+ only in prison... and same amount in tower.

Guys like you, crying after 5h that something is to hard are destroying the game. Go normal mode in MSA if veteran is to hard for you.

Axorn wrote: »

Thats why i canceled my sub few minuntes ago because i pay money for DLCs and i expect entertainment in return not headache or rage or mindless difficulty...I like challenge too i really do i hate easy games i didnt even bother with normal arena.

You like challenges? Is that the reason why y go with bugs into prison or tower? I am sure there are also good guilds on the NA-Server.

Julianos

Nerf !

infraction2008b16_ESO wrote: »

Axorn wrote: »

Heindrich wrote: »

Pls don't kill ESO as an MMO by removing literally the only thing that's still difficult. Why don't people understand that Trials (hard/vet modes of which) are by definition supposed to be difficult and should only be do-able by those at the very top of the game to give everyone aspirational something to work for.

Paying money for multiplayer content does not entitle you to access all the content at the difficulty of your choice!

Paying money keep this game on its feet. And im sure majority wont like this...

It's a solo challenge, not P2W loot.

I really dont care about the challenge and the loot i just want the baron costume Really its not challenging also any stubborn person can finish it after all you have unlimited tries. Its just mindless to me. I dont know why people againts it best players still have the highest score also who cares.

Arkadius

Don't Nerf !

Checkpoints are all I want. Are they considered as nerfs? If yes, then I'm pro-nerf else contra-nerf

Waseem

1)your ping is horrible
2)make your own build that suits your style, but julianos/willpower/torug/kena is the 2nd best atm (best includes vMA staff)
3) L2P, i "wasted" 40 hrs at vMA- i trained, now i do it in 80 mins

Julianos

Nerf !

Waseem wrote: »

1)your ping is horrible
2)make your own build that suits your style, but julianos/willpower/torug/kena is the 2nd best atm (best includes vMA staff)
3) L2P, i "wasted" 40 hrs at vMA- i trained, now i do it in 80 mins

I really dont care about the challenge and the loot i just want the baron costume Really its not challenging also any stubborn person can finish it after all you have unlimited tries. Its just mindless to me. I dont know why people againts it best players still have the highest score also who cares.

Flameheart

Don't Nerf !

TO talks about vMSA and (the already nerfed) vWGT and vICP in one sentence by assiging them to the same lvl.

As I think vWGT and vICP is well doable now, I don't see any reason to nerf vMSA.

Zapzarap

Don't Nerf !

Axorn wrote: »

Which they've paid for that DLC and they cant finish the content...

Thats why i canceled my sub few minuntes ago because i pay money for DLCs and i expect entertainment in return not headache or rage or mindless difficulty...I like challenge too i really do i hate easy games i didnt even bother with normal arena. But this is too much.

Axorn wrote: »

I really dont care about the challenge and the loot i just want the baron costume Really its not challenging also any stubborn person can finish it after all you have unlimited tries. Its just mindless to me. I dont know why people againts it best players still have the highest score also who cares.

Okeeeey? what?

Sav72

Nerf !

Broken Game, designed for broken mechanics.

If you do not animation cancel or use macro abilities, you will not get very far in vMal.

Not worth the aggravation, just walk away you will get over it.

Heindrich

Don't Nerf !

Axorn wrote: »

I really dont care about the challenge and the loot i just want the baron costume .

Right... so u want to nerf vMA so you can have a costume.

Forget everyone who is remotely aspirational, let alone elite, this man wants a costume!

Seriously... *sigh*

Julianos

Nerf !

EsoRecon wrote: »

I haven't even gotten past the second stage in vMSA and I don't want it to be nerfed. The weapons you get from there are good and so only good players should get them. The truth hurts. (And I know I just called myself a bad player.)

I really dont understand this logic. If these weapons are so good and you give these weapons to only the best players. These "best players" already beaten the hardest content with their previous non best weapons... so these weapons doesnt make any sense its all about skill...

AlnilamE

Don't Nerf !

Axorn wrote: »

I entered vet Maelstorm arena first time today I stuck on arena 5 round 3 with my magicka sorcerer no matter what i did i just kept fail. Mobs were just so overwhelming for a sinle player...

Well, you did much better than me. I got past round 1 last time I was there in vet mode.

Also i got minumum 225-260 ping on NA server maybe thats the reason but i think it should get nerfed.
With pugs few times i was able to finish vCoA and Never finished IC dungeons on vet so with these statistics this arena is not for %95 of the players.. Which they've paid for that DLC and they cant finish the content...

You say that like it's a bad thing.

Thats why i canceled my sub few minuntes ago because i pay money for DLCs and i expect entertainment in return not headache or rage or mindless difficulty...I like challenge too i really do i hate easy games i didnt even bother with normal arena. But this is too much. We have already score system and leaderboard its already competitive making this bit easier wont change anything in competition sense, better players still will have better score.

While normal is fairly easy, you really should give it a try to get an idea of the mechanics.

Cyrodiil is unplayable with insane lag and DLC contents are too hard solo/pugging what else left to do? Daily quests i guess..

Agreed that Cyrodiil needs fixing, but the only thing that's "too hard" in the Orsinium DLC is Maelstrom. Everything else is fairly easy. So I don't think it should be nerfed. Maybe there should be some mechanics tweaks that make it less of a DPS race at certain points, but allow you to take longer to kill something if you are good at avoiding damage, but I don't think it should be just plain nerfed.

Not everything in the game is for every player out there, and that's ok.

As others have said, practice will help you a lot.

pronkg

Don't Nerf !

Axorn wrote: »

EsoRecon wrote: »

I haven't even gotten past the second stage in vMSA and I don't want it to be nerfed. The weapons you get from there are good and so only good players should get them. The truth hurts. (And I know I just called myself a bad player.)

I really dont understand this logic. If these weapons are so good and you give these weapons to only the best players. These "best players" already beaten the hardest content with their previous non best weapons... so these weapons doesnt make any sense its all about skill...

The logic behind it is that people who do manage to finish it are rewarded with something that might be worth the effort.

The tools for players with less skill are found all over the arena, they are called sigils.

The ultimate achievement for the best of the best is the Deathless run title.

And then you have normal mode.

There's enough options for all types of players.

MaxwellC

Don't Nerf !

Tired of the entitlement here, you paid for this game for the base content on here and the DLC that comes after is your choice to purchase. I haven't even beaten the vet malestrom yet (though I've only tried once) and I feel that it should remain the way it is now no need to nerf something that is suppose to be hard especially when it drops weapons that are classified as "End Game Gear"

Unfortunately we want a challenge too not a walk in the park each time, all the QQing nerf'd a dungeon so hard it's practically a walk in the park now (White gold tower).

Sav72

Nerf !

I would love a massive increase in Sigil timer, for the less fortunate players to able to complete vMal, and I would not mind a massive penalty to score.

Elite players can still have bragging rights.

Unfortunate players with a life, can complete vMal.

NBrookus

Don't Nerf !

No. I don't ever expect to finish vMSA... I won't even bother trying without a save feature. There's no reason why every player should be able to complete every bit of content.

That said, I think a duo option would be awesome (no leaderboards). Throw a bone to the support toons.

Kas

Don't Nerf !

a sorc can handle it easily.
quite a number fail at arena 5/stage3 with the frost atronarchs, though.

an easy way to pass that stage is to activate the reflect sigil and focus the meele mobs + sue some AoE.
This is absolutely not necessary once you're experienced, but a great way to start and learn this arena.

pronkg

Don't Nerf !

Sav72 wrote: »

Unfortunate players with a life, can complete vMal.

Let me correct that for you,

"Fortunately people with a life can complete vMA"

Xendyn

Don't Nerf !

This game has already been dumbed down to the point of ridiculousness. Enough already.
ZOS apparently doesn't know how to make delicate adjustments to difficulty. They only seem to be able to make sweeping nerfs that wreck entire content. You have to be very careful what you ask for with them.

I haven't completed this either, not even close. I may not be able to until they put the saves in. That's fine with me, I'm not going to ask them to wreck something just for my benefit if I can't get it before then.

Etaniel

Don't Nerf !

I don't want it nerfed, I want it fixed.
The difficulty is all based on oneshot mechanics, it doesn't make for challenging content, it makes for infuriating content.
First thing I want to see fixed : red circles actually showing the aoe area (stage 7 minder teleport telegraph
Overall when I do the arena, I don't enjoy my time, but I have to do it for the op weapons.

darkdivideb16_ESO

Don't Nerf !

Only had 1 serious go at it & only got to stage 3, the save function is all it needs, nothing else, I've completed everything else in game very easily, always before nerfs with the exception of IC vet dungeons, as I wasnt playing during the period between when they came out & when they got nerfed, there needs to be something challenging in this game.

AltusVenifus

Nerf !

I would say don't nerf it, but I want the weapons and don't want to do the content.

I remember before Everquest MMOs didn't used to be so gear dependent. I want the best possible gear to PVP with, but I sure as hell don't want to run VMSA 14 times, farm dungeons for helms, refine mats all day for tempers or run VICP/VWGT 50 times for the best sets in the game. In order to gear out one of my characters I spent an entire month farming... I almost quit the game...

There should be a sweet spot that gives players incentive to do PVE content, without it being gear. Like alliance ranks for PVE or something... maybe a PVE skill like PVP skill line.

Kupoking

Don't Nerf !

Axorn wrote: »

Heindrich wrote: »

Pls don't kill ESO as an MMO by removing literally the only thing that's still difficult. Why don't people understand that Trials (hard/vet modes of which) are by definition supposed to be difficult and should only be do-able by those at the very top of the game to give everyone aspirational something to work for.

Paying money for multiplayer content does not entitle you to access all the content at the difficulty of your choice!

Paying money keep this game on its feet. And im sure majority wont like this...

according to the pool, majority spoke against a nerf. here goes for assuming stuff.

Molag_Crow

Don't Nerf !

It just requires you to put in work and get familiar with the tactics and your build. It doesn't need a nerf.

It does however need a save option, which is coming apparently.