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I Don't Think Player Housing Should be a DLC.
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100% this.I'm not interested in housing so I'd rather it was paid DLC. My reasoning is selfish - the game obviously needs to make money and I'd rather it did so by selling things that other people are willing to pay for.
To me, the whole player housing thing is silly, and I want no part of it (just my opinion, don't take offense). While I understand that many people do want it (and some people want it more than anything else), I think those people should have to pay for it, to make it worth ZOS's time to develop.
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Mivryna✭✭✭NO PLAYER HOUSING
its not needed ever.
its only for the khajit's race. LOL>
waste of player time, U just don't need player housing
The same could be said of armor dyes, or appearance changes, or even customization of any kind. Why even bother with motifs or appearance customization at all? Just let everyone use cookie-cutter builds.
The reason MMOs exist in the first place is to bring a greater social element into gaming. Community is a major part of the MMO experience, and self-expression is a major part of community. Housing is a powerful tool for self-expression, and it gives players the means to craft their own idiom. It is a massive time and money sink as well, which are an MMO's lifeline.
Housing is a necessary feature.0 -
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✭NO PLAYER HOUSING
its not needed ever.
its only for the khajit's race. LOL>
waste of player time, U just don't need player housing
The same could be said of armor dyes, or appearance changes, or even customization of any kind. Why even bother with motifs or appearance customization at all? Just let everyone use cookie-cutter builds.
The reason MMOs exist in the first place is to bring a greater social element into gaming. Community is a major part of the MMO experience, and self-expression is a major part of community. Housing is a powerful tool for self-expression, and it gives players the means to craft their own idiom. It is a massive time and money sink as well, which are an MMO's lifeline.
Housing is a necessary feature.
Yeah I agree, it's necessary, I just don't want the base game to get more than is necessary to encourage people to sub/buy the content so I would support a base house being earned in game but nicer more elaborate versions being locked behind an Update.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Shadesofkin wrote: »NO PLAYER HOUSING
its not needed ever.
its only for the khajit's race. LOL>
waste of player time, U just don't need player housing
The same could be said of armor dyes, or appearance changes, or even customization of any kind. Why even bother with motifs or appearance customization at all? Just let everyone use cookie-cutter builds.
The reason MMOs exist in the first place is to bring a greater social element into gaming. Community is a major part of the MMO experience, and self-expression is a major part of community. Housing is a powerful tool for self-expression, and it gives players the means to craft their own idiom. It is a massive time and money sink as well, which are an MMO's lifeline.
Housing is a necessary feature.
Yeah I agree, it's necessary, I just don't want the base game to get more than is necessary to encourage people to sub/buy the content so I would support a base house being earned in game but nicer more elaborate versions being locked behind an Update.
While it might be a paid DLC, ESO Plus members will get it for no extra charge.XBox EU/NA:@ElsonsoJannus
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We always believed housing would be released later and I have no problem with it being DLC if it is great and comes with robust quest lines that lead to house thanes, spouses, adoptions and pets, and remains true to the implementation of Hearthfire.
Hearthfire is why I continued to play the game. It is for those people who are not into PvP and raids. It is for PvE and RP players. If you don't PvP you can't get all the skyshards because people can't leave you alone. If not for the promise of Hearthfire, I would have quit long ago. If it doesn't come out soon, I know a bunch of PvE and RP players who are tired of waiting. As it is, we already know it won't be in quarters 1 and 2 of 2016. That is a minimum of six more months. How long should we have to wait before we know another promise is broken? Like jewel crafting and spell crafting.
I'm not into RP, but I did love Hearthfire in Skyrim and it was a promise that motivated our family to buy the preorder packages two years ago. If I were to be buying DLC instead of subscribing, I would not have bought anything PvP oriented, and again, I am absolutely not alone in that. RP was always to be part of the game, so why would anyone want to deprive a whole important part of the game community one piece of well done DLC? To relegate it to some off handed --slip it under the door-- piece crap of patch is unfair. No one will make you buy it, and if you are subbing, then you will be in the same boat as those of us who hate PvP and yet have to pay for it. The difference is that you won't be missing out on anything if you don't buy the Hearthfire DLC when it comes out. Whereas PvE players miss valuable items and content paid for by subscription because they refuse to be forced into PvP.
Spell crafting and Jewel crafting should not be any kind of DLC. They should be added skills as promised. But, we've seen how promises are being kept. (Just look to IC and certain pieces of gear for proof they don't keep promises.) They tell us nothing, keep us in the dark and feed us bull**** like mushrooms.1 -
Mivryna✭✭✭As much as people might dislike SWTOR's ridiculous money-grabbing monetization system, I think they did housing pretty well. Basic housing and furniture purchased with regular currency, some nice craftable furniture, and more decorative and exotic items on the cash shop.0
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KewaG✭✭✭I have now doubt that player housing will be a base game patch but will require a sub to use. To be honest I'm fine with that. ZOS needs to make money. We have gone this long without it so it's obviously not going to effect our play experience one way or another.Nerf RNG! Nerf BoP! Buff Everything else!
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✭✭✭✭✭lordrichter wrote: »Shadesofkin wrote: »NO PLAYER HOUSING
its not needed ever.
its only for the khajit's race. LOL>
waste of player time, U just don't need player housing
The same could be said of armor dyes, or appearance changes, or even customization of any kind. Why even bother with motifs or appearance customization at all? Just let everyone use cookie-cutter builds.
The reason MMOs exist in the first place is to bring a greater social element into gaming. Community is a major part of the MMO experience, and self-expression is a major part of community. Housing is a powerful tool for self-expression, and it gives players the means to craft their own idiom. It is a massive time and money sink as well, which are an MMO's lifeline.
Housing is a necessary feature.
Yeah I agree, it's necessary, I just don't want the base game to get more than is necessary to encourage people to sub/buy the content so I would support a base house being earned in game but nicer more elaborate versions being locked behind an Update.
While it might be a paid DLC, ESO Plus members will get it for no extra charge.
That right there is one of the reasons I don't think it'll be a DLC.UESP: The Unofficial Elder Scrolls Pages - A collaborative source for all knowledge on the Elder Scrolls series since 1995
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✭✭✭✭✭lordrichter wrote: »Shadesofkin wrote: »NO PLAYER HOUSING
its not needed ever.
its only for the khajit's race. LOL>
waste of player time, U just don't need player housing
The same could be said of armor dyes, or appearance changes, or even customization of any kind. Why even bother with motifs or appearance customization at all? Just let everyone use cookie-cutter builds.
The reason MMOs exist in the first place is to bring a greater social element into gaming. Community is a major part of the MMO experience, and self-expression is a major part of community. Housing is a powerful tool for self-expression, and it gives players the means to craft their own idiom. It is a massive time and money sink as well, which are an MMO's lifeline.
Housing is a necessary feature.
Yeah I agree, it's necessary, I just don't want the base game to get more than is necessary to encourage people to sub/buy the content so I would support a base house being earned in game but nicer more elaborate versions being locked behind an Update.
While it might be a paid DLC, ESO Plus members will get it for no extra charge.
That right there is one of the reasons I don't think it'll be a DLC.
Ok, I am scratching my head at that...
If it is a DLC included with ESO Plus, it could drive ESO Plus subscriptions. If they put customization in the Crown Store, that further pushes it. Care to explain your thoughts? XBox EU/NA:@ElsonsoJannus
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DaniAngione✭✭✭✭✭Housing is something that has been part of the Elder Scrolls series and thus deserves to be part of the base game, yes.
Besides, it's the SMARTEST thing to do.
There will probably be tons of additional content/furniture/etc for houses.
Having the housing itself be a paid DLC limits their 'market' - only the small part of the community that will buy the DLC (short term bulk profit) will consume from years (if they want) of housing things sold on the store (long term constant profit)
However, if everyone gets housing as a base game upgrade...
They have a far larger market that, ok, might not give the bulk, short term profit when it is released... but will be far more profitable over time, with a big population consuming their stuff.0 -
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Two parts, really. If it was DLC, they wouldn't get any extra revenue from ESO Plus subscribers. If it was Crown Store items, like pets, everyone, including ESO Plus subscribers, would need to fork over their Crowns for their house/extension/furniture/whatever. Secondly, what would happen if your ESO Plus expired? Would you suddenly lose your house and everything in it? That's the rule for DLC; no more access to the DLC content when ESO Plus lapses. That doesn't sound like a sensible route to go down with housing at all. Like pets, the purchase of a house should be permanent.lordrichter wrote: »
Ok, I am scratching my head at that...
That right there is one of the reasons I don't think it'll be a DLC.lordrichter wrote: »
While it might be a paid DLC, ESO Plus members will get it for no extra charge.Shadesofkin wrote: »NO PLAYER HOUSING
its not needed ever.
its only for the khajit's race. LOL>
waste of player time, U just don't need player housing
The same could be said of armor dyes, or appearance changes, or even customization of any kind. Why even bother with motifs or appearance customization at all? Just let everyone use cookie-cutter builds.
The reason MMOs exist in the first place is to bring a greater social element into gaming. Community is a major part of the MMO experience, and self-expression is a major part of community. Housing is a powerful tool for self-expression, and it gives players the means to craft their own idiom. It is a massive time and money sink as well, which are an MMO's lifeline.
Housing is a necessary feature.
Yeah I agree, it's necessary, I just don't want the base game to get more than is necessary to encourage people to sub/buy the content so I would support a base house being earned in game but nicer more elaborate versions being locked behind an Update. If it is a DLC included with ESO Plus, it could drive ESO Plus subscriptions. If they put customization in the Crown Store, that further pushes it. Care to explain your thoughts?UESP: The Unofficial Elder Scrolls Pages - A collaborative source for all knowledge on the Elder Scrolls series since 1995
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Two parts, really. If it was DLC, they wouldn't get any extra revenue from ESO Plus subscribers. If it was Crown Store items, like pets, everyone, including ESO Plus subscribers, would need to fork over their Crowns for their house/extension/furniture/whatever. Secondly, what would happen if your ESO Plus expired? Would you suddenly lose your house and everything in it? That's the rule for DLC; no more access to the DLC content when ESO Plus lapses. That doesn't sound like a sensible route to go down with housing at all. Like pets, the purchase of a house should be permanent.lordrichter wrote: »
Ok, I am scratching my head at that...
That right there is one of the reasons I don't think it'll be a DLC.lordrichter wrote: »
While it might be a paid DLC, ESO Plus members will get it for no extra charge.Shadesofkin wrote: »NO PLAYER HOUSING
its not needed ever.
its only for the khajit's race. LOL>
waste of player time, U just don't need player housing
The same could be said of armor dyes, or appearance changes, or even customization of any kind. Why even bother with motifs or appearance customization at all? Just let everyone use cookie-cutter builds.
The reason MMOs exist in the first place is to bring a greater social element into gaming. Community is a major part of the MMO experience, and self-expression is a major part of community. Housing is a powerful tool for self-expression, and it gives players the means to craft their own idiom. It is a massive time and money sink as well, which are an MMO's lifeline.
Housing is a necessary feature.
Yeah I agree, it's necessary, I just don't want the base game to get more than is necessary to encourage people to sub/buy the content so I would support a base house being earned in game but nicer more elaborate versions being locked behind an Update. If it is a DLC included with ESO Plus, it could drive ESO Plus subscriptions. If they put customization in the Crown Store, that further pushes it. Care to explain your thoughts?
Permanent houses only work if instanced.
And I seriously hope they make some world houses available for rent. Those should not be permanently purchasable.0 -
log234✭✭✭Zos has stated that any new systems will be introduced as free updates. Housing is a system and will therefore be a free patch. Paid DLCs will only consist of content such as new areas, quests and storylines. Edited by log234 on January 26, 2016 4:55PMFirst ever Emperor of Dawnbreaker (EU)
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✭✭Between IC and Housing DLC which one will be the failed one?
My bet on IC.Profanity filter is a crime against the freedom of speech. Also gags.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Zos has stated that any new systems will be introduced as free updates. Housing is a system and will therefore be a free patch. Paid DLCs will only consist of content such as new areas, quests and storylines.
So, we can expect the dilapidated wooden shack with a leaky roof, upgradeable with crowns to a palace?
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log234✭✭✭lordrichter wrote: »Zos has stated that any new systems will be introduced as free updates. Housing is a system and will therefore be a free patch. Paid DLCs will only consist of content such as new areas, quests and storylines.
So, we can expect the dilapidated wooden shack with a leaky roof, upgradeable with crowns to a palace?
It's taken a bit out of proportion, but that’s essentially how in-game stores works. I imagine it will work like motifs, possible to get in-game with a little bit of work, and then later available in the crownstore for people who doesn't have the time or patience to get them the normal way. First ever Emperor of Dawnbreaker (EU)
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Personally, I would never bother with a rented house. How would renting even work? Forking over Crowns (and therefore real money) to maintain a house for a period of time, and then lose it (and presumably everything in it) when you stop paying? What's the point of that?
Permanent houses only work if instanced.
Two parts, really. If it was DLC, they wouldn't get any extra revenue from ESO Plus subscribers. If it was Crown Store items, like pets, everyone, including ESO Plus subscribers, would need to fork over their Crowns for their house/extension/furniture/whatever. Secondly, what would happen if your ESO Plus expired? Would you suddenly lose your house and everything in it? That's the rule for DLC; no more access to the DLC content when ESO Plus lapses. That doesn't sound like a sensible route to go down with housing at all. Like pets, the purchase of a house should be permanent.lordrichter wrote: »
Ok, I am scratching my head at that...
That right there is one of the reasons I don't think it'll be a DLC.lordrichter wrote: »
While it might be a paid DLC, ESO Plus members will get it for no extra charge.Shadesofkin wrote: »NO PLAYER HOUSING
its not needed ever.
its only for the khajit's race. LOL>
waste of player time, U just don't need player housing
The same could be said of armor dyes, or appearance changes, or even customization of any kind. Why even bother with motifs or appearance customization at all? Just let everyone use cookie-cutter builds.
The reason MMOs exist in the first place is to bring a greater social element into gaming. Community is a major part of the MMO experience, and self-expression is a major part of community. Housing is a powerful tool for self-expression, and it gives players the means to craft their own idiom. It is a massive time and money sink as well, which are an MMO's lifeline.
Housing is a necessary feature.
Yeah I agree, it's necessary, I just don't want the base game to get more than is necessary to encourage people to sub/buy the content so I would support a base house being earned in game but nicer more elaborate versions being locked behind an Update. If it is a DLC included with ESO Plus, it could drive ESO Plus subscriptions. If they put customization in the Crown Store, that further pushes it. Care to explain your thoughts?
And I seriously hope they make some world houses available for rent. Those should not be permanently purchasable.UESP: The Unofficial Elder Scrolls Pages - A collaborative source for all knowledge on the Elder Scrolls series since 1995
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Personally, I would never bother with a rented house. How would renting even work? Forking over Crowns (and therefore real money) to maintain a house for a period of time, and then lose it (and presumably everything in it) when you stop paying? What's the point of that?
Permanent houses only work if instanced.
Two parts, really. If it was DLC, they wouldn't get any extra revenue from ESO Plus subscribers. If it was Crown Store items, like pets, everyone, including ESO Plus subscribers, would need to fork over their Crowns for their house/extension/furniture/whatever. Secondly, what would happen if your ESO Plus expired? Would you suddenly lose your house and everything in it? That's the rule for DLC; no more access to the DLC content when ESO Plus lapses. That doesn't sound like a sensible route to go down with housing at all. Like pets, the purchase of a house should be permanent.lordrichter wrote: »
Ok, I am scratching my head at that...
That right there is one of the reasons I don't think it'll be a DLC.lordrichter wrote: »
While it might be a paid DLC, ESO Plus members will get it for no extra charge.Shadesofkin wrote: »NO PLAYER HOUSING
its not needed ever.
its only for the khajit's race. LOL>
waste of player time, U just don't need player housing
The same could be said of armor dyes, or appearance changes, or even customization of any kind. Why even bother with motifs or appearance customization at all? Just let everyone use cookie-cutter builds.
The reason MMOs exist in the first place is to bring a greater social element into gaming. Community is a major part of the MMO experience, and self-expression is a major part of community. Housing is a powerful tool for self-expression, and it gives players the means to craft their own idiom. It is a massive time and money sink as well, which are an MMO's lifeline.
Housing is a necessary feature.
Yeah I agree, it's necessary, I just don't want the base game to get more than is necessary to encourage people to sub/buy the content so I would support a base house being earned in game but nicer more elaborate versions being locked behind an Update. If it is a DLC included with ESO Plus, it could drive ESO Plus subscriptions. If they put customization in the Crown Store, that further pushes it. Care to explain your thoughts?
And I seriously hope they make some world houses available for rent. Those should not be permanently purchasable.
In a related thought... If they decide to do gold purchases of housing, I hope that they do not make a game out of housing, requiring us to "bid" on it each week and compete against the other players.XBox EU/NA:@ElsonsoJannus
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Thybrinena✭✭✭✭TO me, Hearthfire DLC was done very well and if we have to pay to get ti at the same level at least for ESO then I'd be more than happy to sign up tonight. LOTRO/SWTOR housing was boring and lacked innovation in comparison. ESO could even build housing into the crafting system. There's nothing ZoS can learn from Turbine or EAware as far as housing goes.0
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✭✭I'm fairly certain the housing feature itself will be part of the base patch and even obtainable with in game currency.
But you can bet your ass the most glamorous of vanity housing decor and ultra convenient utilities will be in some way tied to the crown store.0 -
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✭✭Player housing is awesome, can't wait. It's one of the reasons I returned to game. I expect it'll make a fair amount of money for them too through selling fancy chairs and beds and whatnot in the crown store.
I hope they at least give us skill lines to learn crafting for housing items (like in LOTRO). That will add to the game a lot if they give us extra interesting things to craft and boost the in game economy with.2 -
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Personally, I would never bother with a rented house. How would renting even work? Forking over Crowns (and therefore real money) to maintain a house for a period of time, and then lose it (and presumably everything in it) when you stop paying? What's the point of that?
Permanent houses only work if instanced.
Two parts, really. If it was DLC, they wouldn't get any extra revenue from ESO Plus subscribers. If it was Crown Store items, like pets, everyone, including ESO Plus subscribers, would need to fork over their Crowns for their house/extension/furniture/whatever. Secondly, what would happen if your ESO Plus expired? Would you suddenly lose your house and everything in it? That's the rule for DLC; no more access to the DLC content when ESO Plus lapses. That doesn't sound like a sensible route to go down with housing at all. Like pets, the purchase of a house should be permanent.lordrichter wrote: »
Ok, I am scratching my head at that...
That right there is one of the reasons I don't think it'll be a DLC.lordrichter wrote: »
While it might be a paid DLC, ESO Plus members will get it for no extra charge.Shadesofkin wrote: »NO PLAYER HOUSING
its not needed ever.
its only for the khajit's race. LOL>
waste of player time, U just don't need player housing
The same could be said of armor dyes, or appearance changes, or even customization of any kind. Why even bother with motifs or appearance customization at all? Just let everyone use cookie-cutter builds.
The reason MMOs exist in the first place is to bring a greater social element into gaming. Community is a major part of the MMO experience, and self-expression is a major part of community. Housing is a powerful tool for self-expression, and it gives players the means to craft their own idiom. It is a massive time and money sink as well, which are an MMO's lifeline.
Housing is a necessary feature.
Yeah I agree, it's necessary, I just don't want the base game to get more than is necessary to encourage people to sub/buy the content so I would support a base house being earned in game but nicer more elaborate versions being locked behind an Update. If it is a DLC included with ESO Plus, it could drive ESO Plus subscriptions. If they put customization in the Crown Store, that further pushes it. Care to explain your thoughts?
And I seriously hope they make some world houses available for rent. Those should not be permanently purchasable.
You misunderstood me.
Renting should never be for real money. Dollars and Euros should always provide tangible goods.
But I would really like it if they would make World houses.
Which should not be permanently owned. I mean, player come and go, and no ONE player should have that one house in the outskirts of Windhelm. Aion is a great example of housing. It serves as a nice gold pit, much as traders do.
They can still restrict it behind a paywall if they wish that approach.
But it is my belief that only instanced houses (not visible on world maps by other players) should be permanently bought with real money.
They could, for example sell "licences" for Crowns.
Where the first tier of licence grants you a studio (permanent instanced house)
The second tier of licence grants you bidding rights on certain world houses (you still own the studio permanently).
The third tier of licence grants you bidding rights on world map mansions (you still own the studio permanently).0 -
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@nimander99 No, Hearthfire was around $5/£3.50.nimander99 wrote: »Remind me, was Hearthfire free?
Personally, I would never bother with a rented house. How would renting even work? Forking over Crowns (and therefore real money) to maintain a house for a period of time, and then lose it (and presumably everything in it) when you stop paying? What's the point of that?
Permanent houses only work if instanced.
Two parts, really. If it was DLC, they wouldn't get any extra revenue from ESO Plus subscribers. If it was Crown Store items, like pets, everyone, including ESO Plus subscribers, would need to fork over their Crowns for their house/extension/furniture/whatever. Secondly, what would happen if your ESO Plus expired? Would you suddenly lose your house and everything in it? That's the rule for DLC; no more access to the DLC content when ESO Plus lapses. That doesn't sound like a sensible route to go down with housing at all. Like pets, the purchase of a house should be permanent.lordrichter wrote: »
Ok, I am scratching my head at that...
That right there is one of the reasons I don't think it'll be a DLC.lordrichter wrote: »
While it might be a paid DLC, ESO Plus members will get it for no extra charge.Shadesofkin wrote: »NO PLAYER HOUSING
its not needed ever.
its only for the khajit's race. LOL>
waste of player time, U just don't need player housing
The same could be said of armor dyes, or appearance changes, or even customization of any kind. Why even bother with motifs or appearance customization at all? Just let everyone use cookie-cutter builds.
The reason MMOs exist in the first place is to bring a greater social element into gaming. Community is a major part of the MMO experience, and self-expression is a major part of community. Housing is a powerful tool for self-expression, and it gives players the means to craft their own idiom. It is a massive time and money sink as well, which are an MMO's lifeline.
Housing is a necessary feature.
Yeah I agree, it's necessary, I just don't want the base game to get more than is necessary to encourage people to sub/buy the content so I would support a base house being earned in game but nicer more elaborate versions being locked behind an Update. If it is a DLC included with ESO Plus, it could drive ESO Plus subscriptions. If they put customization in the Crown Store, that further pushes it. Care to explain your thoughts?
And I seriously hope they make some world houses available for rent. Those should not be permanently purchasable.
You misunderstood me.
Renting should never be for real money. Dollars and Euros should always provide tangible goods.
But I would really like it if they would make World houses.
Which should not be permanently owned. I mean, player come and go, and no ONE player should have that one house in the outskirts of Windhelm. Aion is a great example of housing. It serves as a nice gold pit, much as traders do.
They can still restrict it behind a paywall if they wish that approach.
But it is my belief that only instanced houses (not visible on world maps by other players) should be permanently bought with real money.
They could, for example sell "licences" for Crowns.
Where the first tier of licence grants you a studio (permanent instanced house)
The second tier of licence grants you bidding rights on certain world houses (you still own the studio permanently).
The third tier of licence grants you bidding rights on world map mansions (you still own the studio permanently).
Ah ok, I guess I see where you're coming from. If that is part of it, I still want to see permanent houses, so using the same example of "that one house" on the outskirts of Windhelm, it would have one exterior, but numerous different interior instances, each owned (permanently) by a different player.UESP: The Unofficial Elder Scrolls Pages - A collaborative source for all knowledge on the Elder Scrolls series since 1995
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Thybrinena✭✭✭✭Some form of upkeep would be good though so that people who don't/unsubscribe/leave game etc lose their property and it gets released for current/new players to buy. Nothing worse that an empty shell of a residential area as has been seen in plenty of MMOs before now.1
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@nimander99 No, Hearthfire was around $5/£3.50.nimander99 wrote: »Remind me, was Hearthfire free?
Personally, I would never bother with a rented house. How would renting even work? Forking over Crowns (and therefore real money) to maintain a house for a period of time, and then lose it (and presumably everything in it) when you stop paying? What's the point of that?
Permanent houses only work if instanced.
Two parts, really. If it was DLC, they wouldn't get any extra revenue from ESO Plus subscribers. If it was Crown Store items, like pets, everyone, including ESO Plus subscribers, would need to fork over their Crowns for their house/extension/furniture/whatever. Secondly, what would happen if your ESO Plus expired? Would you suddenly lose your house and everything in it? That's the rule for DLC; no more access to the DLC content when ESO Plus lapses. That doesn't sound like a sensible route to go down with housing at all. Like pets, the purchase of a house should be permanent.lordrichter wrote: »
Ok, I am scratching my head at that...
That right there is one of the reasons I don't think it'll be a DLC.lordrichter wrote: »
While it might be a paid DLC, ESO Plus members will get it for no extra charge.Shadesofkin wrote: »NO PLAYER HOUSING
its not needed ever.
its only for the khajit's race. LOL>
waste of player time, U just don't need player housing
The same could be said of armor dyes, or appearance changes, or even customization of any kind. Why even bother with motifs or appearance customization at all? Just let everyone use cookie-cutter builds.
The reason MMOs exist in the first place is to bring a greater social element into gaming. Community is a major part of the MMO experience, and self-expression is a major part of community. Housing is a powerful tool for self-expression, and it gives players the means to craft their own idiom. It is a massive time and money sink as well, which are an MMO's lifeline.
Housing is a necessary feature.
Yeah I agree, it's necessary, I just don't want the base game to get more than is necessary to encourage people to sub/buy the content so I would support a base house being earned in game but nicer more elaborate versions being locked behind an Update. If it is a DLC included with ESO Plus, it could drive ESO Plus subscriptions. If they put customization in the Crown Store, that further pushes it. Care to explain your thoughts?
And I seriously hope they make some world houses available for rent. Those should not be permanently purchasable.
You misunderstood me.
Renting should never be for real money. Dollars and Euros should always provide tangible goods.
But I would really like it if they would make World houses.
Which should not be permanently owned. I mean, player come and go, and no ONE player should have that one house in the outskirts of Windhelm. Aion is a great example of housing. It serves as a nice gold pit, much as traders do.
They can still restrict it behind a paywall if they wish that approach.
But it is my belief that only instanced houses (not visible on world maps by other players) should be permanently bought with real money.
They could, for example sell "licences" for Crowns.
Where the first tier of licence grants you a studio (permanent instanced house)
The second tier of licence grants you bidding rights on certain world houses (you still own the studio permanently).
The third tier of licence grants you bidding rights on world map mansions (you still own the studio permanently).
Ah ok, I guess I see where you're coming from. If that is part of it, I still want to see permanent houses, so using the same example of "that one house" on the outskirts of Windhelm, it would have one exterior, but numerous different interior instances, each owned (permanently) by a different player.
Sure, I guess it is doable. But then again, if they implement gardens (outside content), then which player's garden will be on display in the world map?
Or any kind of outdoor content.Edited by Dubhliam on January 26, 2016 11:14PM0 -
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