I Don't Think Player Housing Should be a DLC.

arcangel33420

Jura23 wrote: »

Artjuh90 wrote: »

if they are smart they make housing free and items for in your house crown store items. that would be most profitable i think

Disagree. Premade crown store housing items is the most boring thing ever. Nobody wants that. What ppl want is to craft and customize stuff for their houses.

I agree. But they could sell mats and certain style layouts. Kinda like they do now.

Enodoc

Dubhliam wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

nimander99 wrote: »

Remind me, was Hearthfire free?

@nimander99 No, Hearthfire was around $5/£3.50.

Dubhliam wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

Dubhliam wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Shadesofkin wrote: »

Umbranox wrote: »

crowfl56 wrote: »

NO PLAYER HOUSING

its not needed ever.

its only for the khajit's race. LOL>

waste of player time, U just don't need player housing

The same could be said of armor dyes, or appearance changes, or even customization of any kind. Why even bother with motifs or appearance customization at all? Just let everyone use cookie-cutter builds.

The reason MMOs exist in the first place is to bring a greater social element into gaming. Community is a major part of the MMO experience, and self-expression is a major part of community. Housing is a powerful tool for self-expression, and it gives players the means to craft their own idiom. It is a massive time and money sink as well, which are an MMO's lifeline.

Housing is a necessary feature.

Yeah I agree, it's necessary, I just don't want the base game to get more than is necessary to encourage people to sub/buy the content so I would support a base house being earned in game but nicer more elaborate versions being locked behind an Update.

While it might be a paid DLC, ESO Plus members will get it for no extra charge.

That right there is one of the reasons I don't think it'll be a DLC.

Ok, I am scratching my head at that... If it is a DLC included with ESO Plus, it could drive ESO Plus subscriptions. If they put customization in the Crown Store, that further pushes it. Care to explain your thoughts?

Two parts, really. If it was DLC, they wouldn't get any extra revenue from ESO Plus subscribers. If it was Crown Store items, like pets, everyone, including ESO Plus subscribers, would need to fork over their Crowns for their house/extension/furniture/whatever. Secondly, what would happen if your ESO Plus expired? Would you suddenly lose your house and everything in it? That's the rule for DLC; no more access to the DLC content when ESO Plus lapses. That doesn't sound like a sensible route to go down with housing at all. Like pets, the purchase of a house should be permanent.

Permanent houses only work if instanced.

And I seriously hope they make some world houses available for rent. Those should not be permanently purchasable.

Personally, I would never bother with a rented house. How would renting even work? Forking over Crowns (and therefore real money) to maintain a house for a period of time, and then lose it (and presumably everything in it) when you stop paying? What's the point of that?

You misunderstood me.

Renting should never be for real money. Dollars and Euros should always provide tangible goods.

But I would really like it if they would make World houses.
Which should not be permanently owned. I mean, player come and go, and no ONE player should have that one house in the outskirts of Windhelm. Aion is a great example of housing. It serves as a nice gold pit, much as traders do.

They can still restrict it behind a paywall if they wish that approach.
But it is my belief that only instanced houses (not visible on world maps by other players) should be permanently bought with real money.

They could, for example sell "licences" for Crowns.
Where the first tier of licence grants you a studio (permanent instanced house)
The second tier of licence grants you bidding rights on certain world houses (you still own the studio permanently).
The third tier of licence grants you bidding rights on world map mansions (you still own the studio permanently).

Ah ok, I guess I see where you're coming from. If that is part of it, I still want to see permanent houses, so using the same example of "that one house" on the outskirts of Windhelm, it would have one exterior, but numerous different interior instances, each owned (permanently) by a different player.

Sure, I guess it is doable. But then again, if they implement gardens (outside content), then which player's garden will be on display in the world map?

Or any kind of outdoor content.

Yeah no house within a zone would have any outdoor content. For that, you'd need the self-contained "plot of land" instances that I've mentioned before in thread's like @Gidorick 's three-phase release suggestion. These are where you buy a plot of land which is accessed via a side road in a zone; say, a gap in the cliffs in Rivenspire, or a trail into the forest in Grahtwood. You hit the instance loading screen while on the path, before you can actually see the house itself.

babylon

Wouldn't it be awesome if they gave us a range of different environments to have housing in - city apartments, cosy farmhouses, underground haunts, trapdoors leading through a cave then to our lair...crypts for the vampires, and fancy townhouses for the lordly types.

Gidorick

Enodoc wrote: »

Dubhliam wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

nimander99 wrote: »

Remind me, was Hearthfire free?

@nimander99 No, Hearthfire was around $5/£3.50.

Dubhliam wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

Dubhliam wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Shadesofkin wrote: »

Umbranox wrote: »

crowfl56 wrote: »

NO PLAYER HOUSING

its not needed ever.

its only for the khajit's race. LOL>

waste of player time, U just don't need player housing

The same could be said of armor dyes, or appearance changes, or even customization of any kind. Why even bother with motifs or appearance customization at all? Just let everyone use cookie-cutter builds.

The reason MMOs exist in the first place is to bring a greater social element into gaming. Community is a major part of the MMO experience, and self-expression is a major part of community. Housing is a powerful tool for self-expression, and it gives players the means to craft their own idiom. It is a massive time and money sink as well, which are an MMO's lifeline.

Housing is a necessary feature.

Yeah I agree, it's necessary, I just don't want the base game to get more than is necessary to encourage people to sub/buy the content so I would support a base house being earned in game but nicer more elaborate versions being locked behind an Update.

While it might be a paid DLC, ESO Plus members will get it for no extra charge.

That right there is one of the reasons I don't think it'll be a DLC.

Ok, I am scratching my head at that... If it is a DLC included with ESO Plus, it could drive ESO Plus subscriptions. If they put customization in the Crown Store, that further pushes it. Care to explain your thoughts?

Two parts, really. If it was DLC, they wouldn't get any extra revenue from ESO Plus subscribers. If it was Crown Store items, like pets, everyone, including ESO Plus subscribers, would need to fork over their Crowns for their house/extension/furniture/whatever. Secondly, what would happen if your ESO Plus expired? Would you suddenly lose your house and everything in it? That's the rule for DLC; no more access to the DLC content when ESO Plus lapses. That doesn't sound like a sensible route to go down with housing at all. Like pets, the purchase of a house should be permanent.

Permanent houses only work if instanced.

And I seriously hope they make some world houses available for rent. Those should not be permanently purchasable.

Personally, I would never bother with a rented house. How would renting even work? Forking over Crowns (and therefore real money) to maintain a house for a period of time, and then lose it (and presumably everything in it) when you stop paying? What's the point of that?

You misunderstood me.

Renting should never be for real money. Dollars and Euros should always provide tangible goods.

But I would really like it if they would make World houses.
Which should not be permanently owned. I mean, player come and go, and no ONE player should have that one house in the outskirts of Windhelm. Aion is a great example of housing. It serves as a nice gold pit, much as traders do.

They can still restrict it behind a paywall if they wish that approach.
But it is my belief that only instanced houses (not visible on world maps by other players) should be permanently bought with real money.

They could, for example sell "licences" for Crowns.
Where the first tier of licence grants you a studio (permanent instanced house)
The second tier of licence grants you bidding rights on certain world houses (you still own the studio permanently).
The third tier of licence grants you bidding rights on world map mansions (you still own the studio permanently).

Ah ok, I guess I see where you're coming from. If that is part of it, I still want to see permanent houses, so using the same example of "that one house" on the outskirts of Windhelm, it would have one exterior, but numerous different interior instances, each owned (permanently) by a different player.

Sure, I guess it is doable. But then again, if they implement gardens (outside content), then which player's garden will be on display in the world map?

Or any kind of outdoor content.

Yeah no house within a zone would have any outdoor content. For that, you'd need the self-contained "plot of land" instances that I've mentioned before in thread's like @Gidorick 's three-phase release suggestion. These are where you buy a plot of land which is accessed via a side road in a zone; say, a gap in the cliffs in Rivenspire, or a trail into the forest in Grahtwood. You hit the instance loading screen while on the path, before you can actually see the house itself.

Yep! I 1 billion% agree @Enodoc..m that would be the THIRD phase of my suggestion.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/145287/another-housing-suggestion-a-3-phase-release-plan/p1

sirrmattus

I would pay another 3k crowns for the game to be bug free

Kharnis

exeeter702 wrote: »

I'm fairly certain the housing feature itself will be part of the base patch and even obtainable with in game currency.

But you can bet your ass the most glamorous of vanity housing decor and ultra convenient utilities will be in some way tied to the crown store.

This is the correct answer.

JayhawK

Dubhliam wrote: »

rant
Why do people always want to avoid paying for content?

Seriously, if there will be only "give free" threads on the forum, the game should have stayed subscription based.
/rant

you can't figure out why people would rather get something for free than have to pay for it?

dodgehopper_ESO

What, you didn't feel Hearthfire didn't add enough content to Skyrim? oops, good point.

EnemyOfDaState

This game is already phased to hell. Do we really need instanced player housing so the world can feel even more empty?

Elsonso

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EnemyOfDaState wrote: »

This game is already phased to hell. Do we really need instanced player housing so the world can feel even more empty?

Yeah, pretty much anything they do will have to be done that way.

Islyn

I hope it's paid for too. No more free stuff. I wish it would go back to pay to play even.

Spacefiddle

Wolfshead wrote: »

Well i dont really care if it is DLC or not but if SWTOR could make Player house "free" in patch

And damn near everything that goes in Strongholds is a cash shop item. So shush, you. The in-game or craftable items are basic junk; there are some cool things that drop from instance farms; 95.657% of decos in SWTOR are cash-shop items. This may not be the example you want to reference.

Farorin

I would like if it was a purchasable thing, like a DLC, but not a "whole" one, either as an addition to a larger one, or as a stand alone crown store purchase, that way ZOS can make money off of it, and it might actually happen, while still being accessible to people that don't just have a spare 30-40 bucks lying around.

Enodoc

EnemyOfDaState wrote: »

This game is already phased to hell. Do we really need instanced player housing so the world can feel even more empty?

This is why I would be opposed to entire zones dedicated to "housing districts". That would remove everyone from the hub cities. But if it was only the house that was instanced, you'd only be removed from the world when inside the house, and you're not going to be in your house all day.

Göttermutter

if player houses get an DLC-option, it is time to quit the game!
Why? Because every new generation player needs an optional feeling to get right for this game. if you let them pay for everything, so the mentions will go against you.
Also the implemations of space for player homes, -who is normaly a standard since existing MMO`s- is not so difficult to implement this, just some work for developpers. This you made normaly in the free time by smoking a cigarette. Maybe nt by zenimax developpers, who wants to get payed on by everything they greate, if you want this, so pay yourself next time, because also a stupity has an end of acceptions.

DaveMoeDee

Tankqull wrote: »

Robo_Hobo wrote: »

We bought the game for all of the content it had at the time, expecting them to give us an update that's taken months of development time also for free on top of that is a bit unreasonable. If it were still subscription based, then of course, since the subscription would pay for the developers and resources it took to make it, but as B2P, that payment comes afterwards instead of before/during.

Doesn't apply to an MMO. Or do you think new content 5 years from now should also have been included in the base price?

Good luck living for years on that one pizza with all the toppings.

DaveMoeDee

Sausage wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

its going to be dlc probably because zos need money. they're a business stop asking for free stuff

Why cant some portion of it to be free and some DLC, so everybody gets a house, those who sub or buy DLC better one though.

I can't imagine what I would do with a house. The houses were already pretty pointless in Skyrim apart from storage, and I already have a bank for that.

Lightninvash wrote: »

Tankqull wrote: »

Robo_Hobo wrote: »

We bought the game for all of the content it had at the time, expecting them to give us an update that's taken months of development time also for free on top of that is a bit unreasonable. If it were still subscription based, then of course, since the subscription would pay for the developers and resources it took to make it, but as B2P, that payment comes afterwards instead of before/during.

well you normally get 1 topping on a pizza and pay fpr the others

True. Toppings cost extra. You usually have zero toppings. Just crust, sauce, and cheese. Toppings cost extra -- though a lot of pizza is sold these days at set price tiers instead of the old school but a pie and pay for toppings.

What a completely stupid metaphor!

DaveMoeDee

crowfl56 wrote: »

NO PLAYER HOUSING

its not needed ever.

its only for the khajit's race. LOL>

waste of player time, U just don't need player housing

Video games are pretty much just time wasters and nothing in them is "needed".

Artjuh90

Jaeysa wrote: »

I don't see why people are saying it should have been in the original game, tbh. Just because Skyrim had it doesn't mean ESO has to. I'm hoping it'll be available to everyone, have a gold cost, and a few of the really fun and non-mechanic-related things will be available on the crown store, just like costumes.

DaniAngione wrote: »

Housing is something that has been part of the Elder Scrolls series and thus deserves to be part of the base game, yes.

Besides, it's the SMARTEST thing to do.

There will probably be tons of additional content/furniture/etc for houses.
Having the housing itself be a paid DLC limits their 'market' - only the small part of the community that will buy the DLC (short term bulk profit) will consume from years (if they want) of housing things sold on the store (long term constant profit)

However, if everyone gets housing as a base game upgrade...

They have a far larger market that, ok, might not give the bulk, short term profit when it is released... but will be far more profitable over time, with a big population consuming their stuff.

i always find it funny when people compair things that was in skyrim they yell this isn't skyrim only but ask things that where in the single player game. i don't really care that mutch for housing but because it mostly cosmetic things anyway for me it makes sense it either be locked behind eso+ or crownstore