The game keeps getting dumbed down every patch.
I remember back in launch trying to get good and test builds, compare numbers, develop rotations, but it all doesn't matter anymore. Just get your Hundings, Agility, Wrecking blow, or your Julianos, WIllpower, and you're set.

Tholian1 wrote: »

The status symbol rewards for completing "elite" content should be limited to ultra rare titles, dyes, costumes, pets or mounts. Items affecting the gameplay of others shouldn't be included if they can't at least be sold to other players.

This is the point I have been trying to make the whole time. I wish I said it as simply and concise as this. For those who have being saying I've been trying to argue for a nerf, read the whole thread properly and tell me where I said that. If items where not BOP then gameplay would be fair. Use other things to reward ppl.

BTW I did say also that my question wasnt very good, but I was pissed that night, and by the time I put it up it was pounced upon so was too late to change. But I'm not arguing for nerfs. Oh and those who are saying its soo easy already I'm very proud of you ;P

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No, eso is really really easy

This is a pretty narrow-minded concept, as described in the OP.

vMA is currently the only form of elite content in this game. Everything else is either PvP, or too easy for long-term players. Even Wrothgar is geared to new and casual players, and that's okay, because there is at least one thing in this game that takes a hot second to beat.

And yes, I mean "long-term" players and not "elite" players, because anyone who has put enough time and effort into their class & gear stands a chance in vMA. Does that make it easy, or less time consuming? No. But don't think for a second that people who earned their Maelstrom weapons didn't spend hours upon hours of frustration and tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of gold to complete it.

There are a lot of people who refuse to do vMA and have instead used crafted weapons, and it works. If you don't want to do it, then don't. If you don't have time, then it is a (sincerely) unfortunate situation. Perhaps there is something like a checkpoint system being worked on to help these people, but it's not mandatory that they do so. Handing over Maelstrom weapons to people who simply do not want to do it is a childish request, like asking to go play outside with your friends before you finish your chores.

Oh please ...

Autolycus wrote: »

This is a pretty narrow-minded concept, as described in the OP.

vMA is currently the only form of elite content in this game. Everything else is either PvP, or too easy for long-term players. Even Wrothgar is geared to new and casual players, and that's okay, because there is at least one thing in this game that takes a hot second to beat.

And yes, I mean "long-term" players and not "elite" players, because anyone who has put enough time and effort into their class & gear stands a chance in vMA. Does that make it easy, or less time consuming? No. But don't think for a second that people who earned their Maelstrom weapons didn't spend hours upon hours of frustration and tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of gold to complete it.

There are a lot of people who refuse to do vMA and have instead used crafted weapons, and it works. If you don't want to do it, then don't. If you don't have time, then that's unfortunate, but that's hardly ZOS's problem. Handing over Maelstrom weapons to people who simply do not want to do it is a childish request, like asking to go play outside with your friends before you finish your chores.

There are many ways to be rewarded without unbalancing fair play for all in pvp. eg, great costumes, dont allow weapons in pvp, or BOE.
What your saying is either the person who gets this weapon reward has no right to sell it, or the weapon is no better than a crafted item (so is not a great reward).
So lets recap.
The maelstrom weapon is really great reward and unbalances fair play in pvp and the person who achieves it has no right to sell it no matter how many they end up with, which may go some way toward re-balancing.
The maelstrom weapon is not a great reward so there is no point going for one anyway. In this case whats wrong with the reciever being able to make a quid from it?

Its mainly hurting the bank accounts of the elite players.

With hard to get BoE items they could make a ton of gold by selling these items.

V14 Healer and Footman jewelry used to be quite expensive for example.
Everyone could get these items by buying them from players that farmed vDSA.

Currently elite players cannot sell their drops and casual players can simply get good crafted gear sets.

Sir_Highfield wrote: »

Autolycus wrote: »

This is a pretty narrow-minded concept, as described in the OP.

vMA is currently the only form of elite content in this game. Everything else is either PvP, or too easy for long-term players. Even Wrothgar is geared to new and casual players, and that's okay, because there is at least one thing in this game that takes a hot second to beat.

And yes, I mean "long-term" players and not "elite" players, because anyone who has put enough time and effort into their class & gear stands a chance in vMA. Does that make it easy, or less time consuming? No. But don't think for a second that people who earned their Maelstrom weapons didn't spend hours upon hours of frustration and tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of gold to complete it.

There are a lot of people who refuse to do vMA and have instead used crafted weapons, and it works. If you don't want to do it, then don't. If you don't have time, then that's unfortunate, but that's hardly ZOS's problem. Handing over Maelstrom weapons to people who simply do not want to do it is a childish request, like asking to go play outside with your friends before you finish your chores.

There are many ways to be rewarded without unbalancing fair play for all in pvp. eg, great costumes, dont allow weapons in pvp, or BOE.
What your saying is either the person who gets this weapon reward has no right to sell it, or the weapon is no better than a crafted item (so is not a great reward).
So lets recap.
The maelstrom weapon is really great reward and unbalances fair play in pvp and the person who achieves it has no right to sell it no matter how many they end up with, which may go some way toward re-balancing.
The maelstrom weapon is not a great reward so there is no point going for one anyway. In this case whats wrong with the reciever being able to make a quid from it?

I never said either of these things. I said if you don't want to do it, take the next best alternative.

I have and always will stand firmly in support of BOE items. The point in question here is whether or not it's unfair to players who can't complete it. I think it's extremely unfair to hand vMA weapons over to people who refuse to do it, but not necessarily those who cannot. We can't really fairly analyze that concept unless we break down the "can't complete it" aspect:

There is a large number of people who are giving vMA their best efforts, and I will be the first to commend the efforts and success of others. For these people, it's only a matter of time. You'll get it, and you'll feel great about it, and hopefully you'll get your weapon. It gets easier every time.

There are also a large number of people who don't have the time to sink into vMA. This is something important that ZOS needs to consider. I don't think vMA should be nerfed, but I do genuinely like two suggestions:
1. Add a checkpoint system to vMA. If one uses the checkpoint system, they are disqualified from the leaderboards. There's still a chance at loot, but no weekly.
2. Add a mid-tier difficulty, something that is between nMA and the current vMA. This would really help players that have a lack of time to dedicate.

There are a lot of people who simply don't want to do it, but they really want those weapons. This group is by far the loudest of them all, and the vast majority of their arguments are "I don't wanna, gimme gimme gimme." I'm an open-minded and reasonable person. The people who make these statements have no right to vMA rewards. If you can't beat it, it's one thing. If you refuse to go, then too bad, you don't get gear. It's really simple.

Of these three classifications, the third is by far the loudest and least deserving. I will gladly take a BOE item, whether I'm the one selling it or buying. This would benefit a great deal of people who maybe just don't have enough time to do it, or who are really giving it their all, and haven't gotten it yet. I suppose the BOE would fix it for the third group too, but I find it difficult to hand over rewards for the hardest content in the game to people who only think of themselves, and don't know or don't care what the reality of the situation is. It's selfish to think one deserves something just for logging in. If those people think vMA is hard, then wait for the next trial. At least then you'll have 11 other people to carry you through it.

pretty sure eso cares more about the casuals and less expirienced players... it offers little challenging end game content and has developed more content for everyone rather than for those at tip of the skill pyramid...

if everyone can achiev everything easily there is no motivation left for the hardcore / better players... and the only thing right now are a couple of weapons... giving everything to everyone makes nothing special anymore...

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

Yes, eso cares only about elite players, that's why they announced to increase the cp cap buy such a lot from the dark brotherhood patch on that you need 30 minutes of questing every day to keep up with it. How should a normal player ever be capable of playing 30min each day? Only no lifers can wast that much time on an online game.

Seems to me they promised you would never have to spend hours, days, weeks or months for the best gear. The best gear was supposed to be crafted. They said they weren't going to force you to PvP either. Now, the best skills are PvP and to get the best gear you have to either PvP or farm. To get all the skyshards you must PvP.

It's not about being a dedicated player, or a good player, or even an elite player. It's about broken promises regarding the direction of game play, and people spent LOTS of money based on that promise. This game was supposed to be different from the others. Sadly, it is quickly slipping into that "other" mindset with unhappy results for everyone.

Sir_Highfield wrote: »

Because the great weapons are only available bind on pick up to pll who can manage to complete Maelstrom arena, giving ppl who can complete it access to these weapons and no one else who may want to buy and cant do it.

U can complete Malestorm Arena with crafted equip. If you cant - IT"S YOUR PROBLEM, not a problem of players that already complete it.
If you can't choose the correct equipment and abilities - SURPRISE! But this is your problem again!
Stop whyne about malestorm weapon cuz its not always better then crafted )))

Kas wrote: »

the question marks near the poll options infuriate me more than they should....

I know right? They should be interrobangs! ( !?)

Has ZoS ever actually made content more difficult? Not that I can think of.

How can such a practice be considered catering to elites?

ESO doesn't care about the end gamers and caters to casuals

Where's that option?

They took group damage away, and everything is BoP, meaning we can not sell things which makes it pretty hard to make money. All of this was done because casuals complained about it.