does BOP only, help elite players unfairly?

Sir_Highfield

Because the great weapons are only available bind on pick up to pll who can manage to complete Maelstrom arena, giving ppl who can complete it access to these weapons and no one else who may want to buy and cant do it.

Volkodav

eso cares about everyone?

We get BoP as well,even though many of us havent done the arena.Even some mats are BoP,sadly.

hrothbern

eso cares about everyone?

I believe ESO cares about everyone.

And that being said
I also believe that ESO and we all need heroes as well
exceptionally good players and devoted players showing us the cutting edge of possible high performance

Destruent

This kind of content isn't as hard as you may think for good players, it's only frustrating. So definitely no, eso doesn't care that much about the so called "elite players". If they would do, we actually would have more challenging content (atm it's only vMSA, rest of the game is easy), usefull UI (without addons) and so on...

btw. the answers of your poll are a bit confusing...there should be a "yes" or "no"....nothing else...There are only questions, so it's a bit confusing.

Magdalina

In fact ZOS has rather clearly shown their biggest concern is the casual crowd and they're not overly interested in appeasing those of us that look for a challenge in fear they might alienate those that are not looking for one. So option 3

Personally I find it quite sad.

Refuse2GrowUp

eso cares about everyone?

Yes, Maelstrom Weapons are difficult to earn. But some things in the game SHOULD be. Not worth crying over. Especially considering they are supposedly making it so that v16 Master Weapons (not to be confused with Maelstrom weapons) can drop in weekly rewards.

Yes, I can understand your vendetta in regards to Maelstrom weapons. However, let's take into account they made CPs soooooo ridiculously easy to earn for casuals. I would say this is a great indicator hard cores are not their primary focus.

This is a non-issue. Find something else to cry over

Sir_Highfield

eso only want elites?

I have been trying to complete MA since it was released. I have been playing since the game first came out. I have tried my own builds , I have tried other elite players builds. I have never got past vet stage 5. I would love to get a weapon from this dungeon but I am not allowed becuase all the weapons are bind on pick up. I accept some ppl are very good at pve and I'm not saying it should be made easier. Im saying the weapons should be available to buy from these elite players so there is play in pvp which I love.
There are possibly two reasons why I cant complete MA. 1: Im just no good and 2: my ping of 300 to 400 average means I'm always behind the 8 ball so to speak. Maybe its both.

lolo_01b16_ESO

Yes, eso cares only about elite players, that's why they announced to increase the cp cap buy such a lot from the dark brotherhood patch on that you need 30 minutes of questing every day to keep up with it. How should a normal player ever be capable of playing 30min each day? Only no lifers can wast that much time on an online game.

Mojmir

eso cares about you grinding for said weps, doesn't matter who it is. BoP is *** as hell

BlackEar

eso cares about everyone?

Quite the contrary I would say ESO is very casual minded.

Heindrich

eso cares about everyone?

ESO is the most casual friendly MMO in existance. It is actually frustrating for anyone aspirational, let alone elite. Just look at their latest absurd hotfix of GroupDamage addon.

Various skills and classes have already been nerfed to the ground because casuals cannot learn the mechanics to countering them in PvP. AoE caps introduced to prevent casual zergs being wiped repeatedly by elite coordinated teams, and as @Destruent said, there is currently no high difficulty PvE content except vMA.

Edit: That said, less BoP will be good for everyone, elite or casual. But Master Weapons and Maelstorm weapons (and whatever future equivalents are released) should remain BoP and be a badge of honour and a special reward for those who can actually do the hardest content in the game. Casuals should make do without, or a lower level version of the weapon (VR15, or in the future 150 CP). If you are casual you shouldn't care about min/max. If you do care about min/max but cannot do endgame content, then you are not casual and you are just bad (not talkin about OP specifically here), and as a matter of principle, a MMO should not make it's hardest content do-able by all those that want to.

Magdalina

Sir_Highfield wrote: »

What do you need this weapon for? I mean without trying to attack you or anything - there're many ways to play the game and they all work as long as you're having fun and not trying to impose your opinion of "fun" on others. Yes those weapons are good, but they are not going to save your life in a fight which you'd have otherwise had no chance in. They add a bit more damage to the min-maxing builds(they're also really ugly imo, but that's another story...). You seem to be one of the more casual players who have less time to play/wish to theorycraft in their free time instead of just having fun, so why'd a minor advantage to a minimaxing build matter to you?

By the way I don't have any MSA weapons yet, I still need to find time and dedication to complete it. A "save" feature would be nice seeing it's just so crazy time consuming, but I'm totally chill with the fact of other, more dedicated, players having what I so far haven't been able to acquire.

I think we need some BOP stuff. Because yes, it's fair for "elite" players to have something to show off with
We do need less BOP stuff though, but master/MSA weapons are fine the way they are. Now the dropped Wrothgar/MSA sets...I see no reason why those should be BOP.

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ShadowDisciple

eso cares about everyone?

Sir_Highfield wrote: »

Because the great weapons are only available bind on pick up to pll who can manage to complete Maelstrom arena, giving ppl who can complete it access to these weapons and no one else who may want to buy and cant do it, gives these players an unfair advantage so proving they only care about elite players.

i see you are a new player..because if ESO wanted only elite players, they wouldnt make the game easier...and they did that...its alot easier than at launch..(and i mean real launch, not tamriel unlimited launch)

Draxys

Heindrich wrote: »

ESO is the most casual friendly MMO in existance. It is actually frustrating for anyone aspirational, let alone elite.

Truest of truths.

MrDerrikk

eso cares about everyone?

Personally, vMA is the only difficult PvE content in the game atm; everything else is almost a cakewalk with most configurations (I still haven't passed vICP, but it's only a matter of time and it'll be waaaaaay better to beat it myself). Maybe you need to see it as it is - something to work towards, and not a "I need it now!" kind of thing.

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Destruent

Sir_Highfield wrote: »

I'm awaiting your and the other casuals raging when the new raid comes out. I will have a lot of fun in the raid AND on the forums
I hope they make it so hard that even the best raidguilds need a lot of time/practice to clear it. Btw. i don't think, you'll find someone doing vMSA for you. Most players who completed it gave up on it bc they either have their gear or are too frustrated (rng-drops, deaths, boring soloplay etc) about it.

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Tonnopesce

Again i believe that if you want the best of the best work for it, i'm trying to complete vet MA from 2 months and still nothing... but i don't complain about not having the almighty FOTM build i'm just good as i'm now, a little bit underpowered.

acw37162

eso cares about everyone?

Malestrom arena is. Currently the only end game content challenging the top players.

And honestly it's not so much challenging for them anymore as it is frustrating and a time sink.

Most of the top end players seem to make there one weekly clear to get their reward and that's about it, people damn sure don't seem to be farming it.

It's less than 1 % of the content of the game.

Does it *** me off the people who absolutely positively don't need an extra 14K bleed on their 2H are the only people who have a 14 K bleed, yes it damn sure does.

But Malestrom Arena is just aggrivitating, it's an aggravation for the people who complete it and agitation for the stuck in the rut of trying to get whatever weapon they are looking for.

Every time I spend more than a hour or do in their, I log off.

If you think MA is fun, challenging, and rewarding great.

I find it aggravating and if I could beat it, which I can't currently, I will only run till I get the weapon I would like and I don't touch it ever again.

Schemering

eso cares about everyone?

Eso is very friendly for casual playing; most elite players have lef the game because they have no challenge. A friend logged in after a month, downloaded DLC and finished Maelstrom veteran in a few hours. I had to learn to play it, for me vet Maelstrom was fun to learn and the first 2 tries I didnt finish it but for him it provided no challenge at all.

Same with 12 person trials, the ones that are elite at that are mostly gone and whats left are many good and some really good players doing them for fun not for challenge atm. I have no problems with the game being mostly for casuals but I do hope there will be new content for elite players very soon so they come back and we can learn to be better players by playing with them.http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/242759/do-eso-want-only-elite-players?#

Refuse2GrowUp

eso cares about everyone?

Sir_Highfield wrote: »

I agree that, for the most part, BoP is just (poop). However, I fully agree with Maelstrom Weapons being BoP. Earn them or don't use them. And note, personally I haven't beaten vMSA yet. But I will not simply complain because someone cannot gift one to me or I cannot buy the best items in game. Some things should be earned.

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Sir_Highfield

eso only want elites?

MrDerrikk wrote: »

Personally though, vMA is the only difficult PvE content in the game atm; everything else is almost a cakewalk with most configurations (I still haven't passed vICP, but it's only a matter of time and it'll be waaaaaay better to beat it myself). Maybe you need to see it as it is - something to work towards, and not a "I need it now!" kind of thing.

I feel that I have to say things like this to be heard, and im not saying anything should be made easier. Its the BOP that makes things unfair.

@Magdalina. I want one of these weapons because I like making new toons, and there are only so many you can make with the miniscule amount of crafted gear available. Also it is unfair to come up against ppl who are already very good having more options available to them in pvp. I pay ZEN good money from inception of the game why shouldnt i be able to buy one from someone who is able to complete the arena etc..? I mean it would be a reward for them to to be able to sell at a premium. They could also be rewarded say with weapons or armour that evryone can also get that had a different style possibly so as not to give unfair advantage.

@ShadowDisciple I'm not a new player just not very good. sorry if I'm not as good as you but if we useless players didnt play you would have no one to beat up

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tengri

Z doesnt care about "elite" or not. Z does only care about pay or not.
That's the one and only reason a lot things now are BoP - to make sure you can not get them if you dont buy all DLC.

Swernik

eso only want elites?

Regarding the maelstrom weapons, yes.
They are insanely good but also extremely hard to get.

Magdalina

Sir_Highfield wrote: »

MrDerrikk wrote: »

Personally though, vMA is the only difficult PvE content in the game atm; everything else is almost a cakewalk with most configurations (I still haven't passed vICP, but it's only a matter of time and it'll be waaaaaay better to beat it myself). Maybe you need to see it as it is - something to work towards, and not a "I need it now!" kind of thing.

I feel that I have to say things like this to be heard, and im not saying anything should be made easier. Its the BOP that makes things unfair.

@Magdalina. I want one of these weapons because I like making new toons, and there are only so many you can make with the miniscule amount of crafted gear available. Also it is unfair to come up against ppl who are already very good having more options available to them in pvp. I pay ZEN good money from inception of the game why shouldnt i be able to buy one from someone who is able to complete the arena etc..? I mean it would be a reward for them to to be able to sell at a premium. They could also be rewarded say with weapons or armour that evryone can also get that had a different style possibly so as not to give unfair advantage.

Do you really believe you'd have won against that person if he had no Maelstrom weapon though? It is an advantage but it's not the difference between life of death. Crafting gear is already so good it's perfectly possible to do top "endgame" content with just it.

It's also a fair advantage because they have earned it. Yes, you pay ZOS - to be able to play this game, not to have best gear handed out to you. There should be something in the game to strive for.
There're a lot of videos on vMSA out there, did you give watching those a try? Perhaps you could ask on forums for build/guidance tips if you're struggling? Strive to become a better player and get the immense satisfaction when/if you manage to, don't just insist on buying everything with gold

You could also ask those "elite" players how many of them would want their hard earned reward to be sellable. I think 99% would be VERY aversed to the idea.

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Anzriel

They don't care about elite players at all. No new trials for what, 8+ months? Pvp is still lagged to hell, and even class balance has all been aimed at the casual crowd, not elite players. If anything this game is headed in being solely casual pve. That fact anyone even thinks the game is catered to the elite is honestly baffling to me.

Sausage

eso cares about everyone?

Its not about elite players, its about long-term progression, most people leave when progression stops and never come back. I believe Housing is gonna replace long-term progresion, thats why they are adding Monster Set vendors etc. Also I believe Elite players stuff is gonna be built around Leaderboards, what are going to be purely cosmetic, mounts, titles, costumes, crafting styles so players doesnt need to get upset.

Speaking of Maelstorm Weapons I think its vendor should be added to IC and players can buy them with TS or Gold. Theres no point to grind TS now.

Heindrich

eso cares about everyone?

Sir_Highfield wrote: »

I pay ZEN good money from inception of the game why shouldnt i be able to buy one from someone who is able to complete the arena etc..?

Paying for a game (especially an MMO) does not entitle you to have access to all of its content at the difficulty of your choosing, and being able to obtain all the rewards from the game.

I want all the fancy titles from high-rank PvP and the colours you get with them... but those titles are only attractive to me because they are difficult to obtain, and so I am content to slowly work my way towards them. If I could buy them with gold (trust me I can afford Grand Overlord on all my characters immediately), then it would completely devalue the achievement of those who already put in the grind. Making Maelstorm weapons BoP would be pretty much the same thing.

Volkodav

eso cares about everyone?

Magdalina wrote: »

In fact ZOS has rather clearly shown their biggest concern is the casual crowd and they're not overly interested in appeasing those of us that look for a challenge in fear they might alleviate those that are not looking for one. So option 3

Personally I find it quite sad.

Alleviate doesnt mean aggravate. To alleviate means to take ease,weaken,or deaden.Just saying,not being rude. :}

Jhunn

Heindrich wrote: »

ESO is the most casual friendly MMO in existance. It is actually frustrating for anyone aspirational, let alone elite. Just look at their latest absurd hotfix of GroupDamage addon.

Very much this.

Wollust

Some people will never understand that these weapons are most likely not useful (except for maybe the 2h) if you aren't into min/max.
Not having those weapons is definitely not much of a loss for anyone except for the hardcore players competing in DPS.

Btw, there is a third option missing: ZoS cares more or less only about casuals and nothing else.

Magdalina

Volkodav wrote: »

Magdalina wrote: »

In fact ZOS has rather clearly shown their biggest concern is the casual crowd and they're not overly interested in appeasing those of us that look for a challenge in fear they might alleviate those that are not looking for one. So option 3

Personally I find it quite sad.

Alleviate doesnt mean aggravate. To alleviate means to take ease,weaken,or deaden.Just saying,not being rude. :}

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