Who wants ZOS to bring back stamina regen while holding block?

Edziu · January 2016

Don't care either way

xXNesTXx wrote: »

You can regen stamina while sprint? NO
You can regen stamina while walk hidden? NO
You can regen stamina while dodge? NO

lol, when you sprinting you have just reduced regen, from 1.6k stam regen i have reduced to 700 when sprinting
(im on stamina regen bonus from food, without stam regen bonus i have 900 stam regen and reduced to 30)
same with hidde like with sprint
with dodging you have only inscreased cost of next dodge in next 4 seconds, and you have normal regen lol

but to the theard...perm blocking is annyoing only with shield....im for still no regen while blocking with shield or just reduced like in sprint etc and normal regen while blocking without shield...
on pve for stamina based dps its horrible when you need block especjally with aoe on trahs, then its not much harder for dps...iits harden for healer...dps doesint care to much for this blocking on trahs...but heal must od more better and more often healing when dps cant block more dmg

Strider_Roshin · January 2016

I want them to fix it only console. Currently stam regen stops if you block, bash or dodge roll.

Sleep · January 2016

I want frontal block

Molag_Crow · January 2016

Yes please bring back perma-block

I honestly wouldn't mind it. A perma-blocking tank isn't going to do any harm. Whenever I went against one, I'd try to trick-kill them or leave them be. It's fun to see them though, and I can imagine how fun it would be to play one and just stand there like a beast.

Put it this way; I'd rather see a battlefield full of perma-blockers than Wrecking Blow-spammers.

Artjuh90 · January 2016

No keep it gone

got to see the forum isn't just QQ, and people who have been against the no-stam regen while blocking see it makes the game more fun. perma blocking is just stupid. all i would LOVE to see is a difference in damage migration while blocking with different weapon styles making S&S highest % damage migraded and bow/magic staffs lowest. because for me it's just strange that you block the same amount with a Bow then with a S&S (armor rating of shield not calculated ofc but that is not a high value)

imredneckson · January 2016

Yes please bring back perma-block

CrowsDescend wrote: »

I honestly wouldn't mind it. A perma-blocking tank isn't going to do any harm. Whenever I went against one, I'd try to trick-kill them or leave them be. It's fun to see them though, and I can imagine how fun it would be to play one and just stand there like a beast.

Put it this way; I'd rather see a battlefield full of perma-blockers than Wrecking Blow-spammers.

Pls ZOS give me back my perma-blocking DK

I hate running stamina wrecking blow/one second killer DK but I can only hope and stay a one shot killer

KanedaSyndrome · January 2016

No keep it gone

I voted no as not to make people think I want it back in its previous form. But I do want it back, but only as a passive in the 1-handed and shield skill line, that only works while wielding a shield.

CP5 · January 2016

xXNesTXx wrote: »

You can regen stamina while sprint? NO
You can regen stamina while walk hidden? NO
You can regen stamina while dodge? NO

Roll dodging doesn't in any way stop or reduce stamina regen, and I have personally gotten a setup that allowed me to regen stamina while moving and sneaking without having a drink. So only one of your points is actually correct.

Artjuh90 · January 2016

No keep it gone

CP5 wrote: »

xXNesTXx wrote: »

You can regen stamina while sprint? NO
You can regen stamina while walk hidden? NO
You can regen stamina while dodge? NO

Roll dodging doesn't in any way stop or reduce stamina regen, and I have personally gotten a setup that allowed me to regen stamina while moving and sneaking without having a drink. So only one of your points is actually correct.

for conole it does, we need to block (left trigger on xbox one) -> A (jump button)

Chrlynsch · January 2016

Heavy armor probably just needs a boost

KewaG · January 2016

Yes please bring back perma-block

xXNesTXx wrote: »

You can regen stamina while sprint? NO
You can regen stamina while walk hidden? NO
You can regen stamina while dodge? NO

Seeing as Sprinting, Walking in Sneak and Dodge Rolls all cost Stamina, I don't see how this comment has any relevance to block regen.

Molag_Crow · January 2016

Yes please bring back perma-block

Prothwata wrote: »

Heavy armor probably just needs a boost

New craftable heavy armor set that removes the penalty to stamina regeneration while blocking? Hmmmmmmm

CP5 · January 2016

Artjuh90 wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

xXNesTXx wrote: »

You can regen stamina while sprint? NO
You can regen stamina while walk hidden? NO
You can regen stamina while dodge? NO

Roll dodging doesn't in any way stop or reduce stamina regen, and I have personally gotten a setup that allowed me to regen stamina while moving and sneaking without having a drink. So only one of your points is actually correct.

for conole it does, we need to block (left trigger on xbox one) -> A (jump button)

That's a good point, wish ZOS would at least let people change keybinds on console, I mean how isn't that a thing?

_Chaos · January 2016

Yes please bring back perma-block

Sounds like a sweet DK passive if you ask me...

Rune_Relic · January 2016

Artjuh90 wrote: »

got to see the forum isn't just QQ, and people who have been against the no-stam regen while blocking see it makes the game more fun. perma blocking is just stupid. all i would LOVE to see is a difference in damage migration while blocking with different weapon styles making S&S highest % damage migraded and bow/magic staffs lowest. because for me it's just strange that you block the same amount with a Bow then with a S&S (armor rating of shield not calculated ofc but that is not a high value)

And despite me being the other side of the argument ..this is the most important aspect of the whole game.
Everything that makes you stop and think...WTF....is a bad design that's instantly thrown you out the game back into the real world.
Its a permanent itch that cant be scratched.....festering.

DemonDruaga · January 2016

Yes please bring back perma-block

Just change this undaunted healing orb morph so that it brings back stamina for the synergizer.. gonna make other healers than temps intressting again

Nifty2g · January 2016

I'd like it back not because of this this polls choices but because of how horrible it is to cc, dodge or block an attack now especially going against stam users
At least give some sort of stamina back

Dumbest thing was to bring in those roll dodge changes with the stam changes with block

Sharkano · January 2016

It should be added back in all pve. It makes any healer other than a temp gimped in pve, as they don't have shards. Without shards most tanks are hosed in the hardest fights. It was only a pvp issue.

imredneckson · January 2016

Yes please bring back perma-block

Nifty2g wrote: »

I'd like it back not because of this this polls choices but because of how horrible it is to cc, dodge or block an attack now especially going against stam users
At least give some sort of stamina back

Dumbest thing was to bring in those roll dodge changes with the stam changes with block

Then next post ill add a few extra options which will separate the PvP and PvE players, add which want it back but with less regen, and those who just don't want it back what so ever.

If ANYONE has constructive ideas for how to bring regen back while blocking but making it not as OP I'm all ears.......eyes

Decado · January 2016

Yes please bring back perma-block

nemen_wavenub18_ESO wrote: »

Decado wrote: »

While perma blocking MAY have been a problem in PvP (can anyone say fear) this was a huge nerf to PvE one that was done without thought of the consequences, I am and have always been against this nerf my opinion ZoS really screwed up on this one,

IF and that is a big if, it was such a problem in PvP they Could of added it into the battle spirit,

They definitely should of taken there time with this maybe reduce it to 50% while blocking and see how that works, from
100% to nothing was so heavy handed and clearly not thought out.

How many PvE tanks either quit the game or changed to DPS after this went live? I know of many, for me finding a good tank is much much harder than it used to be,

And for the people who say "just holding block was a boring way to tank" I ask the same question I have always asked and seem to be ignored;

When have you ever been forced to just hold block?

I never understood that these "pro" tanks claiming it was a good thing since they no longer had to just hold block, I always say you never had to before, it didn't add in the fun of having to let go, you could
Already of done that if you choose to

Agree the only reason I revert back from dps to tanking again is my guild mates desparate need a tank.. Hahaha but I'm happy with the changes you guys just have to adopt to it.. Like me wasted over hundredth thousands of gold just to figure out what build I'm happy with..(do heavy tanking while still dishing out tons of dmage)

Yeah i know what you mean, once the change came in i tried it didnt like it, rerolled my DK into stam dps, had it about a week guild needed tanks so i rerolled again as a tank, i can tank all the 4 man content no problem but honestly its boring i only do it when mates need a tank for a run, i much prefer my sorc DPS or my magicka DK, so much more fun, hell i even prefer healing (although i mainly jab and throw the occasional heal

)

like i said tanking is still very possible to do, and alot of guys adapted well enough, but more either couldnt adapt or found the changes boring and rerolled or even a few left the game entirely.

i also didnt know that about console, thats kinda sucky, they really need to look into that for you guys, id hate to run my stam nb if roll dodge stopped my rejen

Personofsecrets · January 2016

Yes please bring back perma-block

Artjuh90 wrote: »

got to see the forum isn't just QQ, and people who have been against the no-stam regen while blocking see it makes the game more fun. perma blocking is just stupid. all i would LOVE to see is a difference in damage migration while blocking with different weapon styles making S&S highest % damage migraded and bow/magic staffs lowest. because for me it's just strange that you block the same amount with a Bow then with a S&S (armor rating of shield not calculated ofc but that is not a high value)

1 lol

Personofsecrets · January 2016

Yes please bring back perma-block

CyrusArya wrote: »

Perma blocking was the cheesiest mechanic ever. As it stands Blocking is arguably the most effective form of mitigation and you shouldn't be able to always be in that state. I think the current mechanic encourages more skillful use of blocking and resource management compared to last patch (PvP and PvE) .

not as effective as hardened ward or cloak.

Personofsecrets · January 2016

Yes please bring back perma-block

Decado wrote: »

While perma blocking MAY have been a problem in PvP (can anyone say fear) this was a huge nerf to PvE one that was done without thought of the consequences, I am and have always been against this nerf my opinion ZoS really screwed up on this one,

IF and that is a big if, it was such a problem in PvP they Could of added it into the battle spirit,

They definitely should of taken there time with this maybe reduce it to 50% while blocking and see how that works, from
100% to nothing was so heavy handed and clearly not thought out.

How many PvE tanks either quit the game or changed to DPS after this went live? I know of many, for me finding a good tank is much much harder than it used to be,

And for the people who say "just holding block was a boring way to tank" I ask the same question I have always asked and seem to be ignored;

When have you ever been forced to just hold block?

I never understood that these "pro" tanks claiming it was a good thing since they no longer had to just hold block, I always say you never had to before, it didn't add in the fun of having to let go, you could
Already of done that if you choose to

@ZOS_RichLambert @Wrobel

Personofsecrets · January 2016

Yes please bring back perma-block

nemen_wavenub18_ESO wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

nemen_wavenub18_ESO wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

BackFreckle wrote: »

I'd like them to bring it back for pve honestly, strictly Templar healing is getting quite dull. I've never seen so much hate for my NB healer and I have no room to expirement unless I'm strictly with friends. And yes I've seen ppl heal everything with every class but have fun convincing pugs that you know what you're doing

I understand that tanks are doing just fine and it adds "skill" or "fun" or something aand that's cool and all but I'm tired of being used just for my shards and not for my healing ability

(Yes the response to this is run with friends/guildies but they're not always available)

It adds "skill" or so called "fun" for about the top .01% of players. Everyone else wishes that they could still use caltrops.

I soo agree.. I wish I could use caltrops more often..but I already adapted to this new no stam regen/permablock meta so I'm good with/without stam regen while blocking... 5pc kagnerac/5pc footmans with spell damage jewelry enchant FTW! (Sometimes I use 5pc kagnerac/5pc pariah)

@Wrobel , I had just unlocked Vigor because of the patch changes to the skill. I wanted to magic tank with that skill for so darn long and pretty much got denied from doing that cool thing because of the nerf. I took off deep slash and caltrops too. Thanks for making tanking better.

I actually think they made a tanking better. IMHO. Well this wouldn't have been done without the new set that they release.. But I wish they should take a look more about DK skill line as a whole...

You should try magicka tankKnight it's fun.. It's the most rewarding tank you'll ever do. It's so much more viable than stam tankKnight cause you deal more damage as magicka tank than stamina tank. Plus it Gives you more utility in the team..

Try this build.. Currently using 5pc kagnerac/5pcs pariah (with spell damage jewelry enchant ) EG monster set, sword and board main/destro staff offhand..
Skill bar1: eruption/puncture/absorb magic/heroic slash/coagulating blood. Ultimate:standard of might
Skill bar2: dark talon/(I switch between force pulse or pulsar depending what type of dungeon were doing eg. For lots of adds I use pulsar, for single target like specially inhibitor (WGT 3rd boss) force pulse or the other morph either way )/volatile armor/ (Vigor/inner rage/extended chain) / burning embers. Ultimate: magma shell
Dampen magic or harness magicka but I prefer Dampen magic.
You could also change eruption to igneous shield good skill too specially along with vigor

Stats fully buff... 23k magicka 31k health 20k stamina 1500 magicka recov 450 health recovery 500 stam recovery 1800 spell damage 1200 weapon damage 33k spell resist 29k physical resist. That's my fought estimate of my skill currently not playing atm but I'm positive that's is nearly all my stats maybe even more... Btw all prismatic enhant all divines except for larger pcs.. Boots and shield exploration

Edit: forgot to mention I'm a imperial race aswell

I already run this

Just to be clear, I'm not saying things are hard, I am saying that now things that could be done before are now not viable. I'm also saying that no amount of change or adaptation necessarily makes something turn fun. It doesn't.

Edit: Minus valkyn add engine guardian. That is my build.

Personofsecrets · January 2016

Yes please bring back perma-block

spawn_to_kill wrote: »

If you had high enough magi regen u still probably could permablock if u had a high stam pool you could get 5% back every time u cast igneous shield just a theory ive not tried it as im dps dk

Yes, players are shoehorned into doing this.

Personofsecrets · January 2016

Yes please bring back perma-block

MrGigglypants wrote: »

Lol its like what content can you not complete because you can't block enough. It was clearly broken af in pvp so that's not even discussion. But in pve it's like what content isn't doable due to the change.

There were alot of things that were clearly broken in PVP and still are. @ZOS_RichLambert and @Wrobel unfairly chose blocking, which had been talked about almost not at all, the idea of killing blocking was astroturfed, and then a bunch of people jumped on the bandwaggon. It was and still is a bandwaggon full of people that don't tank or care about tanky player viability in PVP I may add.

Personofsecrets · January 2016

Yes please bring back perma-block

mhmfrogub17_ESO wrote: »

It would be stupid to have this, basically you want to be able to do everything while blocking and not have it cost anything.

Nobody has said to remove block cost. Stop straw manning those against the nerf.

Personofsecrets · January 2016

Yes please bring back perma-block

Recremen wrote: »

Everyone seems to be doing fine without it and my experience is that it's allowed much more complex combat at higher levels of play.

Less does not equal more.

Personofsecrets · January 2016

Yes please bring back perma-block

CrowsDescend wrote: »

Prothwata wrote: »

Heavy armor probably just needs a boost

New craftable heavy armor set that removes the penalty to stamina regeneration while blocking? Hmmmmmmm

Fat chance after @ZOS_RichLambert and @Wrobel altered Black Rose to not do that.

Molag_Crow · January 2016

Yes please bring back perma-block

Nifty2g wrote: »

I'd like it back not because of this this polls choices but because of how horrible it is to cc, dodge or block an attack now especially going against stam users
At least give some sort of stamina back

Dumbest thing was to bring in those roll dodge changes with the stam changes with block

True. It was a HARD hit to magicka users like Templars and obviously DK, among many other nerfy nerfs.