Who wants ZOS to bring back stamina regen while holding block?

imredneckson

Title pretty much says it all. I know ZOS probably won't bring perma-block back into ESO but I've been wonder if the majority wants perma-block to be back in game or if they want to keep it gone.
PS. I am 100% in favor of ZOS bringing perma-block back into ESO.

Sausage

No keep it gone

No, shield blockers are still OP. Just yesterday saw one tank holding like 10 guys. Imagine what couple tanks can do or 3.

Korah_Eaglecry

Well then I want Stamina Regen while sprinting. I mean, if you want regen while doing something that consumes stamina I want regen for what Im going to consume my stamina with.

spawn_to_kill

the whole game needs resetting to pre imp city

Sharee

Yes please bring back perma-block

They should bring back stamina regen while blocking, but not in the same form it used to be.

Thing is, blocking was the domain of heavy armor. It was the reason you'd want 5 pieces heavy. Other armor types had their own primary purposes(regen, cost reduction, extra damage/extra penetration) but with heavy, blocking was it. But then ZOS nerfed stamina regen while blocking, which severely impacted the specific advantage of heavy armor, while leaving the other two armor types intact.

What i think should be done is giving heavy armor a passive that will allow stamina regen to continue while blocking as long as you wear 5 pieces of it(or alternatively, a passive that allows 20% of stamina regen while blocking per piece of heavy armor worn)

Miszou

No keep it gone

No.

If you don't have enough stamina to block, you need to manage your resources better.

I'm a Magicka sword/board tank, and I rarely run out of stamina.

I can't imagine how dull tanking would be if you regained stamina while blocking...

WillhelmBlack

Yes please bring back perma-block

Sausage wrote: »

No, shield blockers are still OP. Just yesterday saw one tank holding like 10 guys. Imagine what couple tanks can do or 3.

Keep 30 dumb asses busy for a short time?

Cody

No keep it gone

No. I remember the days of infinite block casting all too well, and I do not want them returning.

imredneckson

Yes please bring back perma-block

Sharee wrote: »

They should bring back stamina regen while blocking, but not in the same form it used to be.

Thing is, blocking was the domain of heavy armor. It was the reason you'd want 5 pieces heavy. Other armor types had their own primary purposes(regen, cost reduction, extra damage/extra penetration) but with heavy, blocking was it. But then ZOS nerfed stamina regen while blocking, which severely impacted the specific advantage of heavy armor, while leaving the other two armor types intact.

What i think should be done is giving heavy armor a passive that will allow stamina regen to continue while blocking as long as you wear 5 pieces of it(or alternatively, a passive that allows 20% of stamina regen while blocking per piece of heavy armor worn)

Always good to hear something that's constructive. I think that's a good idea but I would probably go a little higher like 1/4 or 1/3 stamina regen but either way that would be a great passive to add since heavy armor lacks good passives like the ones you stated for light and medium armor.

Septimus_Magna

They should allow 20% stam regen while blocking to the heavy armor passives if you wear 5 or more pieces.

Anilahation

Yes please bring back perma-block

Only too people in 5 heavy.


it was honestly a PvE nerf for no reason plus this would take dmg from people who try to use it in PvP.

BackFreckle

I'd like them to bring it back for pve honestly, strictly Templar healing is getting quite dull. I've never seen so much hate for my NB healer and I have no room to expirement unless I'm strictly with friends. And yes I've seen ppl heal everything with every class but have fun convincing pugs that you know what you're doing

I understand that tanks are doing just fine and it adds "skill" or "fun" or something aand that's cool and all but I'm tired of being used just for my shards and not for my healing ability

(Yes the response to this is run with friends/guildies but they're not always available)

Aimora

Yes please bring back perma-block

JoseDelgadoCub17_ESO wrote: »

Only too people in 5 heavy.


it was honestly a PvE nerf for no reason plus this would take dmg from people who try to use it in PvP.

It was a PvP nerf that had a massive impact on PvE

Jura23

No keep it gone

nope, it's not really needed.

Sausage

No keep it gone

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Sausage wrote: »

No, shield blockers are still OP. Just yesterday saw one tank holding like 10 guys. Imagine what couple tanks can do or 3.

Keep 30 dumb asses busy for a short time?

While the rest kill them?

Ive no problems with current tanks, but I say they are at the borderline.

LorDrek

Yes please bring back perma-block

In pvp clear regen not for pve!

dsalter

Yes please bring back perma-block

rather see a 50-75% reduced stamina regen while blocking.

Aimora

Yes please bring back perma-block

BackFreckle wrote: »

I'd like them to bring it back for pve honestly, strictly Templar healing is getting quite dull. I've never seen so much hate for my NB healer and I have no room to expirement unless I'm strictly with friends. And yes I've seen ppl heal everything with every class but have fun convincing pugs that you know what you're doing

I understand that tanks are doing just fine and it adds "skill" or "fun" or something aand that's cool and all but I'm tired of being used just for my shards and not for my healing ability

(Yes the response to this is run with friends/guildies but they're not always available)

This totally - ended up rolling a templar so I could still be a healer outside of guild - now I hardly everuse my sorcerer healer which is a shame

Infinite12

Yes please bring back perma-block

Sausage wrote: »

No, shield blockers are still OP. Just yesterday saw one tank holding like 10 guys. Imagine what couple tanks can do or 3.

Just imagine.....3 tanks sitting there.....doing no damage to anyone......just sitting there blocking....what a terrible world that would be......

Infinite12

Yes please bring back perma-block

Sausage wrote: »

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Sausage wrote: »

No, shield blockers are still OP. Just yesterday saw one tank holding like 10 guys. Imagine what couple tanks can do or 3.

Keep 30 dumb asses busy for a short time?

While the rest kill them?

Ive no problems with current tanks, but I say they are at the borderline.

Of course you have no problem with tanks right now, they're crappy right now lol

riverdragon72

Every time you take damage while blocking it should stop regen for a tick. I used to be able to fill in tank roles for most pledges with a bit of struggle, now it's out of the question.

Firerock2

Yes please bring back perma-block

They should bring back regen only if they get rid of the really *** CP system in pvp.

lolo_01b16_ESO

I'm undecided. For pve tanking I have adapted to it and can sustain my stamina without problems, even when I tank in medium armour.
For pvp adding it again would be a good way to buff magicka dks / templars, however it would probably also buff stamina dks, who aren't in urgent need of buffs imo.

hydrocynus

No keep it gone

It made me completely rework my build for tanking PVE and I am having far more fun now. I must add that I was one of the "This is the end of tanking in ESO" brigade prior to the change but am happy to have found a way. I had to evolve from full stamina to a hybrid and most recently onto a full magicka based tank and in the process I have actually seen my damage output increase without even trying to do any damage (I mean I am tanking 100% but damage output is higher).

I could start using damage skills like inhale and burning embers to restore resources and since I am magicka based I am able to swap magicka for stamina myself with eruption. All offensive skills but being used primarily to balance my resources with the offshoot of dealing more damage and so just plain all round fun.

Then there is the added bonus of using more chains for the group too. Do this for your DPS and they will love you for the numbers they get and magicka/hybrid Tanking really helps with that too.

It's quite a liberating experience to stand in front of a crematorial guard and not block once while holding aggro (absorb magicka is your friend here! Amazing healing ability in that fire) and in addition you actually get to have your weapon enchants actually proc from swinging them.

Oh. Then since I have gone full magicka and am a Dunmer DK I now have the ability to scrap the heavy armor, pick up a staff and do decent damage when required without changing CP (inhibitor fight - no more carrying mr tank through this fight. Portals no issue). My tank is no longer a one trick pony!

Sure you must block for extended periods against the daddy bossess of ESO but this is still very much manageable without stamina regeneration while blocking. It wasn't easy just after the change. I had raid leaders screaming at me for wiping the raid due to resource mismanagement but with time once I knew how to handle it it was fine and I can now easily tank those challenging bosses without issue.

Before this change I got by tanking at a relatively high level, tanking all trials vDSA and dungeons in good groups and hard modes, and I knew actually very little about my class and my role. Since the change I have learned a ton about my class and role and feel I am a better tank and eso player in general because of it.

Sausage

No keep it gone

Infinite12 wrote: »

Sausage wrote: »

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Sausage wrote: »

No, shield blockers are still OP. Just yesterday saw one tank holding like 10 guys. Imagine what couple tanks can do or 3.

Keep 30 dumb asses busy for a short time?

While the rest kill them?

Ive no problems with current tanks, but I say they are at the borderline.

Of course you have no problem with tanks right now, they're crappy right now lol

Crappy? When tanks were at its best, they were able to tank 20+ guy, that was with perma block.

Infinite12

Yes please bring back perma-block

Sausage wrote: »

Infinite12 wrote: »

Sausage wrote: »

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Sausage wrote: »

No, shield blockers are still OP. Just yesterday saw one tank holding like 10 guys. Imagine what couple tanks can do or 3.

Keep 30 dumb asses busy for a short time?

While the rest kill them?

Ive no problems with current tanks, but I say they are at the borderline.

Of course you have no problem with tanks right now, they're crappy right now lol

Crappy? When tanks were at its best, they were able to tank 20+ guy, that was with perma block.

Yeah...which they can't do right now......a tank who is perma blocking is doing no damage to you. What harm is there in that? There was a video on these forums recently of a sorc kind of complaining about perma blocking still being a problem. The funny part is the video shows the guy kill 2 or 3 guys without losing a lot of health thanks to the shield stacking and then it took him 2 or 3 minutes or so to kill the dk who was literally just standing there blocking. Did nothing but block, probably burned through all his pots and recourses just to stay alive, doing ZERO damage. A dk who is blocking is doing you no harm. I feel like people having trouble with perma blockers was more of a l2p issue. They're not incredibly hard to deal with, light attacks and cc's.

Infinite12

Yes please bring back perma-block

Also, I'm not a tank but I know that tanks are in a bad place right now. We need changes in pvp that make other build more viable. People have to WANT to play as tanks so that we can see more than just sorcs and nightblades in pvp. The way it's set up right now is it's strictly just a dps race. I recently turned my dk into a tank from a dps to run dungeons. I haven't run him in pvp really and don't want to because DK's kind of suck right now. DK's need a buff and the stam regen while blocking is one of the buffs they need

Draxys

Yes please bring back perma-block

Anyone saying perma block is still a problem is either just really bad or misinformed. Anyone perma blocking these days is literally doing nothing else. Why complain about a perma blocker if he's got zero chance of killing you? They built to counter you, get over it.

Put 50% stam regen while blocking into the heavy armor passives.

Sausage

No keep it gone

Infinite12 wrote: »

Sausage wrote: »

Infinite12 wrote: »

Sausage wrote: »

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Sausage wrote: »

No, shield blockers are still OP. Just yesterday saw one tank holding like 10 guys. Imagine what couple tanks can do or 3.

Keep 30 dumb asses busy for a short time?

While the rest kill them?

Ive no problems with current tanks, but I say they are at the borderline.

Of course you have no problem with tanks right now, they're crappy right now lol

Crappy? When tanks were at its best, they were able to tank 20+ guy, that was with perma block.

Yeah...which they can't do right now......a tank who is perma blocking is doing no damage to you. What harm is there in that? There was a video on these forums recently of a sorc kind of complaining about perma blocking still being a problem. The funny part is the video shows the guy kill 2 or 3 guys without losing a lot of health thanks to the shield stacking and then it took him 2 or 3 minutes or so to kill the dk who was literally just standing there blocking. Did nothing but block, probably burned through all his pots and recourses just to stay alive, doing ZERO damage. A dk who is blocking is doing you no harm. I feel like people having trouble with perma blockers was more of a l2p issue. They're not incredibly hard to deal with, light attacks and cc's.

What harm theres, players use all of their magicka and stamina into nothing? You call that fun? Its fun for the tank but not for the rest.

Im sure when Arena comes, shield blockers are the first to go, 100% and if not I eat hat full of it.

lolo_01b16_ESO

Sausage wrote: »

Infinite12 wrote: »

Sausage wrote: »

Infinite12 wrote: »

Sausage wrote: »

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Sausage wrote: »

No, shield blockers are still OP. Just yesterday saw one tank holding like 10 guys. Imagine what couple tanks can do or 3.

Keep 30 dumb asses busy for a short time?

While the rest kill them?

Ive no problems with current tanks, but I say they are at the borderline.

Of course you have no problem with tanks right now, they're crappy right now lol

Crappy? When tanks were at its best, they were able to tank 20+ guy, that was with perma block.

Yeah...which they can't do right now......a tank who is perma blocking is doing no damage to you. What harm is there in that? There was a video on these forums recently of a sorc kind of complaining about perma blocking still being a problem. The funny part is the video shows the guy kill 2 or 3 guys without losing a lot of health thanks to the shield stacking and then it took him 2 or 3 minutes or so to kill the dk who was literally just standing there blocking. Did nothing but block, probably burned through all his pots and recourses just to stay alive, doing ZERO damage. A dk who is blocking is doing you no harm. I feel like people having trouble with perma blockers was more of a l2p issue. They're not incredibly hard to deal with, light attacks and cc's.

What harm theres, players use all of their magicka and stamina into nothing? You call that fun? Its fun for the tank but not for the rest.

Im sure when Arena comes, shield blockers are the first to go.

Oh, it's also fun for the rest. It always makes me happy, when I see that a tank does less damage with a wrecking blow than I do with a light attack.

Sausage

No keep it gone

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

Sausage wrote: »

Infinite12 wrote: »

Sausage wrote: »

Infinite12 wrote: »

Sausage wrote: »

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Sausage wrote: »

No, shield blockers are still OP. Just yesterday saw one tank holding like 10 guys. Imagine what couple tanks can do or 3.

Keep 30 dumb asses busy for a short time?

While the rest kill them?

Ive no problems with current tanks, but I say they are at the borderline.

Of course you have no problem with tanks right now, they're crappy right now lol

Crappy? When tanks were at its best, they were able to tank 20+ guy, that was with perma block.

Yeah...which they can't do right now......a tank who is perma blocking is doing no damage to you. What harm is there in that? There was a video on these forums recently of a sorc kind of complaining about perma blocking still being a problem. The funny part is the video shows the guy kill 2 or 3 guys without losing a lot of health thanks to the shield stacking and then it took him 2 or 3 minutes or so to kill the dk who was literally just standing there blocking. Did nothing but block, probably burned through all his pots and recourses just to stay alive, doing ZERO damage. A dk who is blocking is doing you no harm. I feel like people having trouble with perma blockers was more of a l2p issue. They're not incredibly hard to deal with, light attacks and cc's.

What harm theres, players use all of their magicka and stamina into nothing? You call that fun? Its fun for the tank but not for the rest.

Im sure when Arena comes, shield blockers are the first to go.

Oh, it's also fun for the rest. It always makes me happy, when I see that a tank does less damage with a wrecking blow than I do with a light attack.

Okok, we settle this with the Arena, in the future.