Who wants ZOS to bring back stamina regen while holding block?

TwoFingersInCider · January 2016

Don't care either way

Personofsecrets wrote: »

nemen_wavenub18_ESO wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

BackFreckle wrote: »

I'd like them to bring it back for pve honestly, strictly Templar healing is getting quite dull. I've never seen so much hate for my NB healer and I have no room to expirement unless I'm strictly with friends. And yes I've seen ppl heal everything with every class but have fun convincing pugs that you know what you're doing

I understand that tanks are doing just fine and it adds "skill" or "fun" or something aand that's cool and all but I'm tired of being used just for my shards and not for my healing ability

(Yes the response to this is run with friends/guildies but they're not always available)

It adds "skill" or so called "fun" for about the top .01% of players. Everyone else wishes that they could still use caltrops.

I soo agree.. I wish I could use caltrops more often..but I already adapted to this new no stam regen/permablock meta so I'm good with/without stam regen while blocking... 5pc kagnerac/5pc footmans with spell damage jewelry enchant FTW! (Sometimes I use 5pc kagnerac/5pc pariah)

@Wrobel , I had just unlocked Vigor because of the patch changes to the skill. I wanted to magic tank with that skill for so darn long and pretty much got denied from doing that cool thing because of the nerf. I took off deep slash and caltrops too. Thanks for making tanking better.

I actually think they made a tanking better. IMHO. Well this wouldn't have been done without the new set that they release.. But I wish they should take a look more about DK skill line as a whole...

You should try magicka tankKnight it's fun.. It's the most rewarding tank you'll ever do. It's so much more viable than stam tankKnight cause you deal more damage as magicka tank than stamina tank. Plus it Gives you more utility in the team..

Try this build.. Currently using 5pc kagnerac/5pcs pariah (with spell damage jewelry enchant

) EG monster set, sword and board main/destro staff offhand..
Skill bar1: eruption/puncture/absorb magic/heroic slash/coagulating blood. Ultimate:standard of might
Skill bar2: dark talon/(I switch between force pulse or pulsar depending what type of dungeon were doing eg. For lots of adds I use pulsar, for single target like specially inhibitor (WGT 3rd boss) force pulse or the other morph either way )/volatile armor/ (Vigor/inner rage/extended chain) / burning embers. Ultimate: magma shell
Dampen magic or harness magicka but I prefer Dampen magic.
You could also change eruption to igneous shield good skill too specially along with vigor

Stats fully buff... 23k magicka 31k health 20k stamina 1500 magicka recov 450 health recovery 500 stam recovery 1800 spell damage 1200 weapon damage 33k spell resist 29k physical resist. That's my fought estimate of my skill currently not playing atm but I'm positive that's is nearly all my stats maybe even more... Btw all prismatic enhant all divines except for larger pcs.. Boots and shield exploration

Edit: forgot to mention I'm a imperial race aswell

TwoFingersInCider · January 2016

Don't care either way

Decado wrote: »

While perma blocking MAY have been a problem in PvP (can anyone say fear) this was a huge nerf to PvE one that was done without thought of the consequences, I am and have always been against this nerf my opinion ZoS really screwed up on this one,

IF and that is a big if, it was such a problem in PvP they Could of added it into the battle spirit,

They definitely should of taken there time with this maybe reduce it to 50% while blocking and see how that works, from
100% to nothing was so heavy handed and clearly not thought out.

How many PvE tanks either quit the game or changed to DPS after this went live? I know of many, for me finding a good tank is much much harder than it used to be,

And for the people who say "just holding block was a boring way to tank" I ask the same question I have always asked and seem to be ignored;

When have you ever been forced to just hold block?

I never understood that these "pro" tanks claiming it was a good thing since they no longer had to just hold block, I always say you never had to before, it didn't add in the fun of having to let go, you could
Already of done that if you choose to

Agree the only reason I revert back from dps to tanking again is my guild mates desparate need a tank.. Hahaha but I'm happy with the changes you guys just have to adopt to it.. Like me wasted over hundredth thousands of gold just to figure out what build I'm happy with..(do heavy tanking while still dishing out tons of dmage)

spawn_to_kill · January 2016

If you had high enough magi regen u still probably could permablock if u had a high stam pool you could get 5% back every time u cast igneous shield just a theory ive not tried it as im dps dk

eliisra · January 2016

Don't care either way

I never played a perma block build in PvP(templars cant block cast their offensive skills).

I can still block as much as I want on my tank in PvE, so no stam recovery while blocking doesn't matter.

Heavy armor could however use a full set passive that lets some stamina recovery slip through while blocking. That would make tanks less useless in PvP, live long enough to at least do a bit of pressuring and cc. While not affecting dps builds, since they run medium or light.

Single individuals with perma blocking tank builds was never a problem imo. They had to pay a price. You lose either sustain, dmg or both, by specc'ing for block cost reduction. Same with CP, you loose out on some of the most important PvP signs, by stacking shield expert.

Issue was how entire raids with glass house dps builds, could jam down block while spamming AoE like Steel Tornado or Impulse. Than of course rare players with like 1000+ CP back in 1.6 that not only did insane dmg, but could perma block spam Surprise Attack while using with a 2-Hander lol.

BalticBlues · January 2016

Yes please bring back perma-block

Sausage wrote: »

Just yesterday saw one tank holding like 10 guys.

Just yesterday saw one NB cloaking away from like 10 guys.
Just yesterday saw one Sorc streaking away from like 10 guys.

DKs cannot cloak like NBs and cannot streak away like Sorcs.
Blocking is to DKs what is cloaking for NBs and streaking for Sorcs.

NBs/Sorcs have magicka regen while cloaking/streaking.
Therefore, why shouldn't have DKs have stamina regen while blocking?

Mcwoods55 · January 2016

No keep it gone

If that is the case then I want regen magica as a mage when I am blocking.

TwoFingersInCider · January 2016

Don't care either way

Mcwoods55 wrote: »

If that is the case then I want regen magica as a mage when I am blocking.

Since when you can't regen magicka while blocking?
Edit: did they ninja nerf blocking again.. Last time I played was yesterday and I can still regen both health and magicka while blocking but not stamina regen

Chaquinho89 · January 2016

Don't care either way

The biggest problem is that they don't know how to separate PVP from PVE, so this is probably never coming back.
It would be very helpful in PVE trials and stuff, but whatever, I quit tanking to focus on pvp...

MrGigglypants · January 2016

No keep it gone

Lol its like what content can you not complete because you can't block enough. It was clearly broken af in pvp so that's not even discussion. But in pve it's like what content isn't doable due to the change.

MrGigglypants · January 2016

No keep it gone

Draxys wrote: »

Anyone saying perma block is still a problem is either just really bad or misinformed. Anyone perma blocking these days is literally doing nothing else. Why complain about a perma blocker if he's got zero chance of killing you? They built to counter you, get over it.

Put 50% stam regen while blocking into the heavy armor passives.

You don't duel good stam dk's. Block casting 5k ransack with 10k leap in duels lol. Ask yourself is it needed in the game to complete content. That's the purpose of tanks is pve this game has never been a dedicated tanking game in the first place outside of trials which is 20 minutes of content.

Rune_Relic · January 2016

OP..no option for this....

OTHER:

Hitting regen kills/stops all abilities from functioning.
The problem is not with ALL abilities.
The problem is with blocking.

So if anything I would have preferred system like this to enable people that need to block ..to block (tanks).
But also to punish permanently holding block (as that's no better than hardened wards)

Being hit while blocking drops the block for x time period (block end>block start cooldown).
(So block wisely which requires clear feedback and reaction time to identify the most powerful attacks)
The more damage blocked the higher the cost (again ...block cost reduction).
Holding block activates a cost + multiplyer that scales/applies every tick (fatigue resource dot).

Result.
1. You have to manually block every attack...and pay the price. People with block cost reduction and such will be less effected by this.
2. Holding block will act like negative regen. This starts at 0 first tick and gets higher every tick. So the longer you hold block the less recovery you get and eventually (when it goes negative) starts eating your resources too.

BUT... if people actually new what attack was coming and when....they wouldn't need to keep block held up in the first place

I see the block NERF as a terrible response to a UI feedback failure.
Now everyone is heal spamming instead.
All the more useful if your attacks heal.
Perhaps we should have no regen when healing ?

Zouni · January 2016

No keep it gone

Keep it the way it is. I find it a bit more exciting managing my stamina but still have no problem doing so. To be honest, if you cannot maintain enough stamina, as the game is now to block, you have other issues you need to examine.

Wing · January 2016

Yes please bring back perma-block

"perma blocking" tanks in pvp were one of the only things that culled the Sorc and NB burst builds.

now that blocking has been nerfed into the ground Sorcs and ESPECIALLY NB's are complained about on a regular basis.

WELL WELL WELL, turns out when you nerf paper into the groung rock becomes OP.

F'n Dummies.

reften · January 2016

Yes please bring back perma-block

Sharee wrote: »

They should bring back stamina regen while blocking, but not in the same form it used to be.

Thing is, blocking was the domain of heavy armor. It was the reason you'd want 5 pieces heavy. Other armor types had their own primary purposes(regen, cost reduction, extra damage/extra penetration) but with heavy, blocking was it. But then ZOS nerfed stamina regen while blocking, which severely impacted the specific advantage of heavy armor, while leaving the other two armor types intact.

What i think should be done is giving heavy armor a passive that will allow stamina regen to continue while blocking as long as you wear 5 pieces of it(or alternatively, a passive that allows 20% of stamina regen while blocking per piece of heavy armor worn)

This

Merkabeh · January 2016

No keep it gone

As a tank (granted, DK tank, so great stam management); I like no regen while blocking.

This makes blocking a tactical decision; perma-block block casting was horribly boring and one dimensional.

Also, those claiming stam regen is worthless are wrong; stam regen is only worthless while blocking, high stam regen still makes the stam ticks more effective while not blocking; so, when you tactically drop block for stam regen, your ticks are more effective. Meaning you can block more often through out the course of the fight; because you can get your stamina up with fewer ticks.

Hell, GDB is still awesome, you just don't pop it then hold block like a fool. Pop it when you drop block to make those ticks you get even more effective (plus get some self heals).

If you tell me stam regen is pointless on tanks now, I discount everything you are saying, because you obviously have not thought this through or made the adjustment to your play style; high stam pool and high stam regen are even more important now for stam tank.

xXNesTXx · January 2016

No keep it gone

You can regen stamina while sprint? NO
You can regen stamina while walk hidden? NO
You can regen stamina while dodge? NO

Shadesofkin · January 2016

Don't care either way

I just want Green Dragons Blood to return Stamina when activated.

imredneckson · January 2016

Yes please bring back perma-block

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Decado wrote: »

While perma blocking MAY have been a problem in PvP (can anyone say fear) this was a huge nerf to PvE one that was done without thought of the consequences, I am and have always been against this nerf my opinion ZoS really screwed up on this one,

IF and that is a big if, it was such a problem in PvP they Could of added it into the battle spirit,

They definitely should of taken there time with this maybe reduce it to 50% while blocking and see how that works, from
100% to nothing was so heavy handed and clearly not thought out.

How many PvE tanks either quit the game or changed to DPS after this went live? I know of many, for me finding a good tank is much much harder than it used to be,

And for the people who say "just holding block was a boring way to tank" I ask the same question I have always asked and seem to be ignored;

When have you ever been forced to just hold block?

I never understood that these "pro" tanks claiming it was a good thing since they no longer had to just hold block, I always say you never had to before, it didn't add in the fun of having to let go, you could
Already of done that if you choose to

Agreed for the perma-blocking in PvP use fear, spam abilities that will root the player in place ( talons, bombard, etc.) use puncturing sweep ( drained my stamina faster than anything else in the game). There were just so many ways to counter but some just thought it easier to nerf it

imredneckson · January 2016

Yes please bring back perma-block

nemen_wavenub18_ESO wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

nemen_wavenub18_ESO wrote: »

Personofsecrets wrote: »

BackFreckle wrote: »

I'd like them to bring it back for pve honestly, strictly Templar healing is getting quite dull. I've never seen so much hate for my NB healer and I have no room to expirement unless I'm strictly with friends. And yes I've seen ppl heal everything with every class but have fun convincing pugs that you know what you're doing

I understand that tanks are doing just fine and it adds "skill" or "fun" or something aand that's cool and all but I'm tired of being used just for my shards and not for my healing ability

(Yes the response to this is run with friends/guildies but they're not always available)

It adds "skill" or so called "fun" for about the top .01% of players. Everyone else wishes that they could still use caltrops.

I soo agree.. I wish I could use caltrops more often..but I already adapted to this new no stam regen/permablock meta so I'm good with/without stam regen while blocking... 5pc kagnerac/5pc footmans with spell damage jewelry enchant FTW! (Sometimes I use 5pc kagnerac/5pc pariah)

@Wrobel , I had just unlocked Vigor because of the patch changes to the skill. I wanted to magic tank with that skill for so darn long and pretty much got denied from doing that cool thing because of the nerf. I took off deep slash and caltrops too. Thanks for making tanking better.

I actually think they made a tanking better. IMHO. Well this wouldn't have been done without the new set that they release.. But I wish they should take a look more about DK skill line as a whole...

You should try magicka tankKnight it's fun.. It's the most rewarding tank you'll ever do. It's so much more viable than stam tankKnight cause you deal more damage as magicka tank than stamina tank. Plus it Gives you more utility in the team..

Try this build.. Currently using 5pc kagnerac/5pcs pariah (with spell damage jewelry enchant ) EG monster set, sword and board main/destro staff offhand..
Skill bar1: eruption/puncture/absorb magic/heroic slash/coagulating blood. Ultimate:standard of might
Skill bar2: dark talon/(I switch between force pulse or pulsar depending what type of dungeon were doing eg. For lots of adds I use pulsar, for single target like specially inhibitor (WGT 3rd boss) force pulse or the other morph either way )/volatile armor/ (Vigor/inner rage/extended chain) / burning embers. Ultimate: magma shell
Dampen magic or harness magicka but I prefer Dampen magic.
You could also change eruption to igneous shield good skill too specially along with vigor

Stats fully buff... 23k magicka 31k health 20k stamina 1500 magicka recov 450 health recovery 500 stam recovery 1800 spell damage 1200 weapon damage 33k spell resist 29k physical resist. That's my fought estimate of my skill currently not playing atm but I'm positive that's is nearly all my stats maybe even more... Btw all prismatic enhant all divines except for larger pcs.. Boots and shield exploration

Edit: forgot to mention I'm a imperial race aswell

I'll have to give that a try it sounds like a beast of a build

Spacemonkey · January 2016

Don't care either way

Sharee wrote: »

They should bring back stamina regen while blocking, but not in the same form it used to be.

Thing is, blocking was the domain of heavy armor. It was the reason you'd want 5 pieces heavy. Other armor types had their own primary purposes(regen, cost reduction, extra damage/extra penetration) but with heavy, blocking was it. But then ZOS nerfed stamina regen while blocking, which severely impacted the specific advantage of heavy armor, while leaving the other two armor types intact.

What i think should be done is giving heavy armor a passive that will allow stamina regen to continue while blocking as long as you wear 5 pieces of it(or alternatively, a passive that allows 20% of stamina regen while blocking per piece of heavy armor worn)

This 250% this. This & This. And THIS THIS THIS. HA needs a boost, no matter what the form.
@ZOS_GinaBruno

mhmfrogub17_ESO · January 2016

No keep it gone

It would be stupid to have this, basically you want to be able to do everything while blocking and not have it cost anything.

Hope499 · January 2016

Don't care either way

Leave it, but buff heavy armor.

Tanks are ***, ZOS knows this, everyone knows this, and they needs some help. DK tank in PvP? pfft, zero healing (since DK heal literally, does nothing)

1 - Sword and board passives NEED A BUFF

2- heavy armor NEEDS a buff

3-DK's need some love (Still dont get why sorcs have a better shield then the "tank" class.....)

D0ntevenL1ft · January 2016

Yes please bring back perma-block

I agree with most others in saying don't bring it back to 100% but reduce the regen while blocking. Maybe even make it only available to 5+ heavy armor and this bringing that back to pvp aswell.

Forestd16b14_ESO · January 2016

First nice bias-poll.

Second most players do want stamina regen while blocking back but only when wearing 5+ pieces of heavy armor.

KewaG · January 2016

Yes please bring back perma-block

This poll has an unnecessary tone but I'll participate.

At least some regen would be nice. Even it was 25%-50%.

Shunravi · January 2016

Yes please bring back perma-block

Wing wrote: »

"perma blocking" tanks in pvp were one of the only things that culled the Sorc and NB burst builds.

now that blocking has been nerfed into the ground Sorcs and ESPECIALLY NB's are complained about on a regular basis.

WELL WELL WELL, turns out when you nerf paper into the groung rock becomes OP.

F'n Dummies.

AH93 · January 2016

Yes please bring back perma-block

After originally voting to bring back blocking regen, I actually don't mind either way. As a Templar tank I don't have much of a problem with stamina management, since Repentance is a godsend.
I'm not sure what it's like for other classes, but I haven't noticed much of a difference in PvE.
Can't say much for PvP since I don't play it on my tank.

Recremen · January 2016

No keep it gone

Everyone seems to be doing fine without it and my experience is that it's allowed much more complex combat at higher levels of play.

Tankqull · January 2016

Sharee wrote: »

They should bring back stamina regen while blocking, but not in the same form it used to be.

Thing is, blocking was the domain of heavy armor. It was the reason you'd want 5 pieces heavy. Other armor types had their own primary purposes(regen, cost reduction, extra damage/extra penetration) but with heavy, blocking was it. But then ZOS nerfed stamina regen while blocking, which severely impacted the specific advantage of heavy armor, while leaving the other two armor types intact.

What i think should be done is giving heavy armor a passive that will allow stamina regen to continue while blocking as long as you wear 5 pieces of it(or alternatively, a passive that allows 20% of stamina regen while blocking per piece of heavy armor worn)

agree with a slight tweeking though
5 % per piece till 5 pieces, 15% for the 6th and another 30% for the 7th piece. (total of 70% with 7 pieces)

but i would like to see even more a change of the lockout mode itself away from holding block denying stam reg towards blocking an attack granting a debuff blocking stam reg for two sec overwritten with every further blocked attack.

Cinbri · January 2016

Yes please bring back perma-block

At least with 50% regen cut. Not everyone yet re-rolled to nb or sorc.