I Don't Think Player Housing Should be a DLC.

magnusthorek · January 2016

Great, keep suggesting crown paid furniture and 50% ofplayers around the world won't have any in their house due cross-country exchange taxes.

And yes! It MUST be a DLC, like Heartfires was, although it failed the concept

Godeko · January 2016

Yay, just imagine housing as base game patch:
You can buy/rent a house with 10 square metres with 10 overpriced furnitures for 10k gold each. The remaining stuff is in the crown store for 1k crowns each. And yes you have to pay additional 500 crowns for additons 5 square metres (or wait for a package for the half of the price).
After paying 200€ you have finally finished you living room and can start with the kitchen. But damn you already sold ya pc to hold the rent costs of 500 crowns each week.
#seemslegit

I would rather pay 20 to 25€ for well designed DLC where I can buy a great home and woodwork my own furniture with a great customisation.

Tankqull · January 2016

Godeko wrote: »

Yay, just imagine housing as base game patch:
You can buy/rent a house with 10 square metres with 10 overpriced furnitures for 10k gold each. The remaining stuff is in the crown store for 1k crowns each. And yes you have to pay additional 500 crowns for additons 5 square metres (or wait for a package for the half of the price).
After paying 200€ you have finally finished you living room and can start with the kitchen. But damn you already sold ya pc to hold the rent costs of 500 crowns each week.
#seemslegit
I would rather pay 20 to 25€ for well designed DLC
where I can buy a great home and woodwork my own furniture with a great customisation.

what are your dreaming at night? it must be awsome if thats one of your daydreams...

Sausage · January 2016

Nifty2g wrote: »

its going to be dlc probably because zos need money. they're a business stop asking for free stuff

Why cant some portion of it to be free and some DLC, so everybody gets a house, those who sub or buy DLC better one though.

Reedx · January 2016

I Agree, but will pay if they decide to make it to a DLC, but yeah housing should be for everyone, just hope they will offer differnt size to houses, like a small and stinky house will cost litttle gold,
But a big house with a great veiw will cost alot!

Hope they make this happan soon = )

Dubhliam · January 2016

Tankqull wrote: »

Robo_Hobo wrote: »

We bought the game for all of the content it had at the time, expecting them to give us an update that's taken months of development time also for free on top of that is a bit unreasonable. If it were still subscription based, then of course, since the subscription would pay for the developers and resources it took to make it, but as B2P, that payment comes afterwards instead of before/during.

A pizza will only feed you one meal.

You'll have to pay for another if you want some pizza tomorrow.

NBrookus · January 2016

Housing will be a crown store purchase. I just don't see it happening any other way.

However if there is crafting involved -- furniture, etc. -- I hope that will go in the base game, to promote commerce among players.

Korah_Eaglecry · January 2016

Wolfshead wrote: »

Well i dont really care if it is DLC or not but if SWTOR could make Player house "free" in patch i dont see why ZoS cant do same for those both have similar feature only thing that is not the same is that SWTOR is free to download and ESO is B2P.

The SWTOR is sell thing in there ingame store to house and you can always found thing in game so yeah ZoS can learn few thing from BioWare

Bioware also monetized every inch of their Player Housing by selling items in their Cartel Store Packs. Those Packs were RNGed so that youd rarely get what you were looking for and would have to buy dozens of the Packs to actually get a chance at what it was you wanted.

I pray to Stendarr that ZOS NEVER, EVER learn any sort of lessons from Bioware. If you like the player housing there. Go play that game. Dont wish that mess on the rest of us.

Mason22 · January 2016

I've never been into player housing in other games because it gets boring really fast. I can understand why others want it but I would never pay for it unless it was a part of some greater PVE expansion.

old_mufasa · January 2016

Here is the thing.. Guild Wars 2 is another buy to play game just like ESO and they release PvE and PvP content every 2 week to once a month.. new story lines, dungeons, pvp content all for free etc.... why can't ESO do this? GW2 has had only 1 paid for DLC expansion pack and dozens for free DLC content updates... would be nice if ESO threw out a few free content updates in between there larger paid DLC....

MercyKilling · January 2016

As much as I want housing, I also want it done properly. I don't mind paying for it in the one currency that matters to me.

Time.

In City of Heroes, I ground out five million prestige points for a single base item. Ingame. Which took my most precious resource....time.

I won't pay money for a half-baked "expansion" or "DLC". ...which is why I still only have the base game installed.

old_mufasa · January 2016

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Wolfshead wrote: »

Well i dont really care if it is DLC or not but if SWTOR could make Player house "free" in patch i dont see why ZoS cant do same for those both have similar feature only thing that is not the same is that SWTOR is free to download and ESO is B2P.

The SWTOR is sell thing in there ingame store to house and you can always found thing in game so yeah ZoS can learn few thing from BioWare

Bioware also monetized every inch of their Player Housing by selling items in their Cartel Store Packs. Those Packs were RNGed so that youd rarely get what you were looking for and would have to buy dozens of the Packs to actually get a chance at what it was you wanted.

I pray to Stendarr that ZOS NEVER, EVER learn any sort of lessons from Bioware. If you like the player housing there. Go play that game. Dont wish that mess on the rest of us.

umm.. but all those things you can sell in trade.. so you could still buy them as a f2p... SWTOR has a lot more issues then there housing.. having to buy weekly pass's just to raid and do more then 3 dungeons a week or to use epic gear to me was way more nit picking

Enodoc · January 2016

Jura23 wrote: »

Artjuh90 wrote: »

if they are smart they make housing free and items for in your house crown store items. that would be most profitable i think

Disagree. Premade crown store housing items is the most boring thing ever. Nobody wants that. What ppl want is to craft and customize stuff for their houses.

Craft what, though? All your crafting items and customisation options will be from a premade list that ZOS has set up. I would imagine we will see something like Hearthfire; you can spend the time to gather the mats and build your house and furniture all yourself, or you can buy the exact same things from the Crown Store.

magnusthorek · January 2016

Enodoc wrote: »

Craft what, though? All your crafting items and customisation options will be from a premade list that ZOS has set up. I would imagine we will see something like Hearthfire; you can spend the time to gather the mats and build your house and furniture all yourself, or you can buy the exact same things from the Crown Store.

For god's sakes please don't do that! IMHO that's the major reason Heartfires failed so much. Pre-made kits are the worst thing a housing DLC could have

Enodoc · January 2016

magnusthorek wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

Craft what, though? All your crafting items and customisation options will be from a premade list that ZOS has set up. I would imagine we will see something like Hearthfire; you can spend the time to gather the mats and build your house and furniture all yourself, or you can buy the exact same things from the Crown Store.

For god's sakes please don't do that! IMHO that's the major reason Heartfires failed so much. Pre-made kits are the worst thing a housing DLC could have

So how could it work in a way that is conceivably codeable?

willymchilybily · January 2016

player housing does not exist in game. Therefore some one has to make it exist in game. that some"one" is probably a whole team; from developers through to art and research teams. That multifacited team will probably take a few months to get a basic concept that is developed but to actually code it in will be more months maybe from cradle to grave half a year of development and implementation, plus additional capital laid by to fix any bugs that it may cause.

That is likely to cost a 6 figure investment. where does it come from? parent company, they probably do invest in their own games but how much enough for a year of DLC? or do they expect some self sufficiency? you would think so

Therefore the game has to be making profit to continue to get funding...where does the profit come from if they give away 6 months of development for free? not only not making money but wasting money that could have been invested in producing content that can be sold. or upgrading servers and QoL bug/issue fixes.

What you are asking for OP is a fantasy. i sincerely hope the prince of Nigeria doesnt need you to lend him money to withdraw the millions he has in the bank.

TL;DR You like the game ? - support it

WalkingLegacy · January 2016

JD2013 wrote: »

Tankqull wrote: »

Robo_Hobo wrote: »

We bought the game for all of the content it had at the time, expecting them to give us an update that's taken months of development time also for free on top of that is a bit unreasonable. If it were still subscription based, then of course, since the subscription would pay for the developers and resources it took to make it, but as B2P, that payment comes afterwards instead of before/during.

Do you also get the additional topping 2 years plus later, as the makers of the pizza have been working on it for 2 plus years since the base pizza was put out?

Basically that argument is invalid as they spent 7 years on the base game, you pay for the base game. They've been working two years now on additional things and fixes etc. Should we not pay them for those additional two years of work?

No, we shouldn't pay them for fixes. Ever.

And If content was developed and built in the original game and held out to be charged for later as DLC...then that company should rot and disappear. EA and Activision do this already.

Jaeysa · January 2016

I don't see why people are saying it should have been in the original game, tbh. Just because Skyrim had it doesn't mean ESO has to. I'm hoping it'll be available to everyone, have a gold cost, and a few of the really fun and non-mechanic-related things will be available on the crown store, just like costumes.

Mivryna · January 2016

Dubhliam wrote: »

rant
Why do people always want to avoid paying for content?

Seriously, if there will be only "give free" threads on the forum, the game should have stayed subscription based.
/rant

If it is not actual content, then why does it bother you if you'll need to pay for it?

I always thought Housing would be a DLC, because: cosmetics.

On the other hand, all houses should be available to visit, even the instanced ones.

For example, a guild master would have to buy the DLC to rent a house, but he could organize a guild meeting that everyone in the guild can attend.

In the gaming industry it is often asked, "How many free players do you expect us to support?" The answer is, "As many as possible."

Bringing more people into a game, letting them play with their friends, and giving them access to all of a game's basic systems helps to strengthen community and establish longer-term popularity. And financially speaking, this means that the free players will be connected to the paying players. The free players are exposed to parts of the game they'd have simply glossed over before, and they come to see what they've been missing.

They would make a lot more money off of housing accessory DLC than they would with a completely exclusive housing system, and our community grows stronger in the process.

Elsonso · January 2016

Enodoc wrote: »

Jura23 wrote: »

Artjuh90 wrote: »

if they are smart they make housing free and items for in your house crown store items. that would be most profitable i think

Disagree. Premade crown store housing items is the most boring thing ever. Nobody wants that. What ppl want is to craft and customize stuff for their houses.

Craft what, though? All your crafting items and customisation options will be from a premade list that ZOS has set up. I would imagine we will see something like Hearthfire; you can spend the time to gather the mats and build your house and furniture all yourself, or you can buy the exact same things from the Crown Store.

This is a possibility. Gathering mats and building the house would probably take several weeks (months) of in-game time, along with long discussions with the RNG over a candle-lit dinner trying to curry favor. That would be one compromise.

However, as basic housing might be to RPG games, it is hardly a required feature. It has "DLC" slapped all over it, in multiple languages. DLC=Money. ZOS cannot ignore this.

While I hope that ZOS has an in-game gold/effort method for doing housing, I expect that the game design will be around Crown purchases. To get the best house, the best location, the best furnishings (in whatever combination is appropriate for how they are going to do this) will require Crowns. I expect that this could include every aspect of housing.

In any case, it is so unlikely that it will be primarily a free base game addition that it is hardly worth the time discussing the idea.

crowfl56 · January 2016

NO PLAYER HOUSING

its not needed ever.

its only for the khajit's race. LOL>

waste of player time, U just don't need player housing

Jura23 · January 2016

Enodoc wrote: »

Jura23 wrote: »

Artjuh90 wrote: »

if they are smart they make housing free and items for in your house crown store items. that would be most profitable i think

Disagree. Premade crown store housing items is the most boring thing ever. Nobody wants that. What ppl want is to craft and customize stuff for their houses.

Craft what, though? All your crafting items and customisation options will be from a premade list that ZOS has set up. I would imagine we will see something like Hearthfire; you can spend the time to gather the mats and build your house and furniture all yourself, or you can buy the exact same things from the Crown Store.

Just as you can customize your outfit via armor styles compared to costumes sold in CS. That's the difference I was talking about.

nine9six · January 2016

I think Housing should be in the base game. I also think there should be a way for ZOS to make $ with it, but not force people to buy everything for their houses on the Crown Store.

Shadesofkin · January 2016

I'm down with a single base home being provided by the base game, all extras and awesome homes should be available only to those who continue to use the major update that provides it.

EQBallzz · January 2016

Tankqull wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

Tankqull wrote: »

Robo_Hobo wrote: »

We bought the game for all of the content it had at the time, expecting them to give us an update that's taken months of development time also for free on top of that is a bit unreasonable. If it were still subscription based, then of course, since the subscription would pay for the developers and resources it took to make it, but as B2P, that payment comes afterwards instead of before/during.

Do you also get the additional topping 2 years plus later, as the makers of the pizza have been working on it for 2 plus years since the base pizza was put out?

Basically that argument is invalid as they spent 7 years on the base game, you pay for the base game. They've been working two years now on additional things and fixes etc. Should we not pay them for those additional two years of work?

well till now everything released as DLC was anounced during beta to be released shortly after game release (including housing towards the end of 2014). nothing anounced to be released till now has not been in the making in may 2014 at the gamcescon announcement by your formulation i allready have payed for it twice by subbing till mai 2015 and buying the game as it was announced to be during beta (including wrothgar, IC, craglorn, the thieves guild and the brotherhood... aswell as housing).
and i do have the feeling that once they reach the point to release true new developments(not in the pipe two years ago) the DLC release timeframe will plummet...

You got it right. Many are either not aware or conveniently forgetting that the content releasing now was promised long ago when many of us paid a subscription fee for a YEAR with no new content. Now they release the content that we should have already gotten but have to pay for it again in the form of DLC or more sub time? Lame. The content that I would have felt fine with paying for like Spellcrafting isn't even being worked on anymore.

As for the question of the OP I don't mind that housing is a paid for element but what I think is unacceptable is that housing alone would count for the primary content release of their quarterly release schedule. I don't think housing in and of itself is "content" enough to count. It doesn't appeal to enough people and doesn't provide enough to do IMO.

So if their plan is to release housing *along with other actual content* in that quarter I have no issue with it but if they think they can just release housing and nothing else I think people have a right to be pissed because that means another huge content drought between actual content releases.

notimetocare · January 2016

daemonios wrote: »

Dubhliam wrote: »

the game should have stayed subscription based.

Agreed.

Much as I would have liked that, it would be much more dead if they had.

notimetocare · January 2016

JD2013 wrote: »

I really don't get why people want housing so badly.

Yaaaaay you can sit in your own little world space not doing anything! . . .

I mean, for RP purposes I can see that there's some point, but for the most part housing is a dull concept. How'd garrisons go for WoW? Not well, is what I hear a lot of.

Actually, Garrisons were highly popular even with their limited customization. Look at other games and you will notice that the player housing is very popular. You also ignore how popular games like Minecraft and the sims are lol. People love having a space they can manipulate in games they loves.

DMBCML · January 2016

It will be fun to have Hearthfire as is from Skyrim.

Jofish · January 2016

Well, there's already an instanced house in Davon' watch... wouldn't take much to allow group members to join you ; Same "physical house", but phased to the group leader..

Lightninvash · January 2016

Tankqull wrote: »

Robo_Hobo wrote: »

We bought the game for all of the content it had at the time, expecting them to give us an update that's taken months of development time also for free on top of that is a bit unreasonable. If it were still subscription based, then of course, since the subscription would pay for the developers and resources it took to make it, but as B2P, that payment comes afterwards instead of before/during.

well you normally get 1 topping on a pizza and pay fpr the others