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FRIDAY NIGHT FIGHTS - Haxus Hosting GvG's

  • dantator
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    I'm definitely looking forward to having Divines participate in a GvG event in the near future. I got some matters to settle (I'm sure the majority know what guild I'm talking about). Unfortunately, I haven't been on the past week or so because my internet went dead on me and only yesterday I got it back up. The semester is starting up again soon and just like last semester I'll be working full time and in school full time so I'm not sure if time will permit me to participate. I, as the GM of Divines, this winter break barely ran groups simply because I've been working a lot. With the amount of time Divines ran groups in this update is not enough to be confident. Like I said in the past forum, Divines aren't ready yet and when we will be I'll definitely let the host know.
    Edited by dantator on January 13, 2016 10:01AM
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  • Keiryan
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    dantator wrote: »
    I'm definitely looking forward to having Divines participate in a GvG event in the near future. I got some matters to settle (I'm sure the majority know what guild I'm talking about). Unfortunately... blah, blah, blah ... Divines ran groups in this update is not enough to be confident... blah blah... Divines aren't ready yet blah blah.


    lol.

    Is Camo Hunter going to be allowed being that it is still broken?
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  • Xiphyla
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    dantator wrote: »
    Xiphyla wrote: »
    What time is this event starting so that i can sleep early and wake up early for this :o

    Xiphy, don't forget to bring the nutella slacker!

    Nutella , pringles and KFC are there for you slackaaaa dan :p.
    Edited by Xiphyla on January 13, 2016 1:42PM
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  • Morozov
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    Keiryan wrote: »
    Morozov wrote: »
    Keiryan wrote: »
    My body.

    Is ready.

    finally....the Cat-person on Argonian hot action you've been looking forward to.

    Damn. How did you even remember or know that I'm a filthy sloot for inter-species erotica?

    I still remember you leading a Misfitz group and talking about that in TS... like over a year ago at this point. I don't think I had beer shoot out of my nose faster from laughter ever in my life!

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  • Mrs_Quietus
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    Can KHole bring a DC 12 man AND an AD 12 man later on?? ;)
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  •  Jules
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    Can KHole bring a DC 12 man AND an AD 12 man later on?? ;)

    Sure, whatever you guys want.
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  • Keiryan
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    Can confirm, I think I've put together a team for both factions (both teams share players though and so can't fight at the same time D:)
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  •  Jules
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    Keiryan wrote: »
    Can confirm, I think I've put together a team for both factions (both teams share players though and so can't fight at the same time D:)

    Glad to have you guys attending
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  • Ghostbane
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    Keiryan wrote: »
    Can confirm, I think I've put together a team for both factions (both teams share players though and so can't fight at the same time D:)

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  • Lexxypwns
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    frozywozy wrote: »
    Lol. VE trying to avoid the challenge is hilarious. Gave me a good laugh!

    @xANTIxMATTERx - I think you're gonna have to let them come with the full 24men ballgroup against your 18men if you really expect them to show up, otherwise I'm afraid the Bulb's tradition of not being involved in GvG will stand.

    Can I 1vG vok with no pug agro bruh? pretty sure you'll wipe
  • Cormore
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    we need to do it on a server where there is no emp for the hp
  •  Jules
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    So far:

    Haxus
    K-Hole
    OK-Hole?
    Dynamic
    Rage

    are yes's -

    Would like to hear from:
    Victorem
    Divines
    Tertiary Meat
    Invictus

    within the next day or so to discuss whether they're attending. Please, if anyone from those guilds or others see this and can speak for your guild, contact me in game at @Juies or feel free to hop in our TS to discuss logistics. Message me in game or on forums for info.
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  • KenaPKK
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    Cormore wrote: »
    we need to do it on a server where there is no emp for the hp

    Work together to dethrone any emps and redistribute scrolls beforehand. With all the meaningful guilds working together, you can really mold any map to your liking. I expect this event will take place on Trueflame to avoid lag and for convenience porting.

    Also, you guys and gals let me know if you want me to record these fights from a 3rd party angle. I'm the OG speedy invisible guy. :mrgreen: I can get up close and personal without being in the way, and I have high def recording capabilities. Hit me up if you have need of my services. :)
    Edited by KenaPKK on January 14, 2016 5:33AM
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  •  Jules
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    KenaPKK wrote: »
    Cormore wrote: »
    we need to do it on a server where there is no emp for the hp

    Work together to dethrone any emps and redistribute scrolls beforehand. With all the meaningful guilds working together, you can really mold any map to your liking. I expect this event will take place on Trueflame to avoid lag and for convenience porting.

    Also, you guys and gals let me know if you want me to record these fights from a 3rd party angle. I'm the OG speedy invisible guy. :mrgreen: I can get up close and personal without being in the way, and I have high def recording capabilities. Hit me up if you have need of my services. :)

    I will have to speak to the guilds involved to see if everyone's comfortable with this. I myself have no real problem with it but I wanna clear it with everyone first. Everyone's so intent on recording and stuff it seems, for me it's more about the actual fights and having fun than it is about recording it for the eso world to see. But I'll go with whatever the general consensus is here. Will get back to you.
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    DC - Julsie . Jules . Jukes . Jojuji . Juliet . Jaded
    AD - Juice . Jubaited . Joules . Julmanji . Julogy . Jubroni . Ju Jitsu



    Rest in Peace G & Yi
    Viva La Aristocracy
  • Lord_Hev
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    Is there any confirmed time when this event will start? And are audience welcome? I wanna watch dis.
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  •  Jules
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    Lord_Hev wrote: »
    Is there any confirmed time when this event will start? And are audience welcome? I wanna watch dis.

    Event will start at 9pm EST - Server and Location will set in stone for certain tomorrow but most likely True Flame provided there is no emp / Ash & Brindle lock. Audience are welcome.
    Edited by Jules on January 14, 2016 1:14PM
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    DC - Julsie . Jules . Jukes . Jojuji . Juliet . Jaded
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  • frozywozy
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    frozywozy wrote: »
    Teargrants wrote: »
    frozywozy wrote: »
    Lol. VE trying to avoid the challenge is hilarious. Gave me a good laugh!

    @xANTIxMATTERx - I think you're gonna have to let them come with the full 24men ballgroup against your 18men if you really expect them to show up, otherwise I'm afraid the Bulb's tradition of not being involved in GvG will stand.
    Why do you act like there's some onus on VE to do GvGs? From a mature perspective, there's nothing wrong with either choosing to partake or not partake, there are many ways for players to spend their time in ESO. None of us are in here denigrating the GvG.

    You know how everyone laughs at kiddies that pm you this wanting 1v1s?
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    I'm not saying that the hosted GvG is 'silly' like that, but it's the same principle: you don't feel compelled to take the guy up on his 1v1 by virtue of him insisting on it, you either feel like it or you don't - and it's none of anyone else's business.

    Yet here you are basically painting VE as cowards, as you put it, 'trying to avoid the challenge'. I wasn't aware that we live in the 1800's and are compelled by social standards to protect our manhood by partaking in GvG 'duels'. If you want my personal opinion, organized GvGs become boring in the same way as all the dueling in Legends became boring; it all devolves into running the proper counter build to your opponent - that is, a dueling build. Combat becomes predictable. On the other hand, open world PvP (surprise surprise, what most of us actually bought this game to do in the first place) is dynamic, unpredictable and hence, exciting. I just don't see the problem between playing the game as we find enjoyable vs being compelled to jump to any challenge to.....defend our honor?

    Of course, I'm sure you'll just pretty much ignore the points of my post and run back with some comeback about 'VE's way of enjoyment is bad for the game, shame shame, how dare they run a 24 man group.'

    Alas.

    My personal opinion is that this thread was made to have lag free and competitive (interesting) medium size groups challenges which is probably the ideal gameplay in Teso PvP right now and it would be great to see the only few remaining competitive guilds right now participating for the sake of having fun, no matter the tensions going on lately between different groups. This tournament won't determinate who is the best at this game. It will simply, like some people pointed out, ease the travel distances, improve the quality of battles and give us a great idea of what small instance battlegrounds would look like in a near TM future.

    The fact that you don't want to participate because you think you don't have anything to prouve or anything part of the wall of texts of arguments you brought is totally your right to do so but you're missing out on a lot of fun and I personally see no reason why a guild who wreck faces on a daily basis would not be interested to be part of clean fights like that without latency issues. It just doesn't make any sense to me.

    If the event has half the egos and thinly-veiled accusations as this thread does, I don't think I'd be missing out on much fun

    The egos brought are player's choices. My point of view regarding the fun that could be had is regarding lag free GvG battles.
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    • Fix Volendrung (spawn location - weapon white on the map causing the wielder to keep it forever - usable with emperorship)
    • Remove / Change CPs System, remove current CP/noCP campaigns and introduce one 30days with lock, one with no locks
    • Fix crashes when approaching a keep under attack because of bad / wrong rendering prioritization system
    • Change emperorship to value faction score points and not alliance points - see this and this
    • Fix long loading screens (mostly caused by players joining group out of rendering range)
    • Add 2 more quickslots to the wheel or add a different wheel for sieges weaponry only
    • Fix Balista Bolts not dealing damage on walls or doors if deployed at a certain place
    • Release bigger battlegrounds with 8 to 16 players per team and only two teams
    • Fix the permanent block animation - see examples : link1 link2 link3 link4 link5
    • Gives players 10 minutes to get back into Cyrodiil after relogging / crashing
    • Add a function to ignore the Claiming system of useless rewards
    • Improve the Mailing System / Rewards of the Worthy stacking
    • Assign specific group sizes to specific campaigns (24-16-8)
    • Make forward camps impossible to place near objectives
    • Make snares only available from ground effects abilities
    • Change emperorship to last minimum 24hours
    • Fix body sliding after cc breaking too quickly
    • Remove Block Casting through Battle Spirit
    • Fix the speed drop while jumping - see video
    • Fix loading screens when keeps upgrade
    • Fix Rams going crazy (spinning around)
    • Bring back dynamic ulti regeneration
    • Fix speed bug (abilities locked)
    • Introduce dynamic population
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    • Add Snare Immunity potions
    • Bring resurrection sickness
    • Fix character desync
    • Fix cc breaking bug
    • Fix gap closer bug
    • Fix health desync
    • Fix combat bug
    • Fix streak bug
    • Fix server lag
  • Hulk_VI
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    @Jules Have fun, good luck to you and the Haxus Squad
  • frozywozy
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    Lexxypwns wrote: »
    frozywozy wrote: »
    Lol. VE trying to avoid the challenge is hilarious. Gave me a good laugh!

    @xANTIxMATTERx - I think you're gonna have to let them come with the full 24men ballgroup against your 18men if you really expect them to show up, otherwise I'm afraid the Bulb's tradition of not being involved in GvG will stand.

    Can I 1vG vok with no pug agro bruh? pretty sure you'll wipe

    How about a 1v1 first?
    Edited by frozywozy on January 14, 2016 8:48PM
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    “Small minds discuss people, average minds discuss events, and great minds discuss ideas.” -Eleanor Roosevelt
    • Fix Volendrung (spawn location - weapon white on the map causing the wielder to keep it forever - usable with emperorship)
    • Remove / Change CPs System, remove current CP/noCP campaigns and introduce one 30days with lock, one with no locks
    • Fix crashes when approaching a keep under attack because of bad / wrong rendering prioritization system
    • Change emperorship to value faction score points and not alliance points - see this and this
    • Fix long loading screens (mostly caused by players joining group out of rendering range)
    • Add 2 more quickslots to the wheel or add a different wheel for sieges weaponry only
    • Fix Balista Bolts not dealing damage on walls or doors if deployed at a certain place
    • Release bigger battlegrounds with 8 to 16 players per team and only two teams
    • Fix the permanent block animation - see examples : link1 link2 link3 link4 link5
    • Gives players 10 minutes to get back into Cyrodiil after relogging / crashing
    • Add a function to ignore the Claiming system of useless rewards
    • Improve the Mailing System / Rewards of the Worthy stacking
    • Assign specific group sizes to specific campaigns (24-16-8)
    • Make forward camps impossible to place near objectives
    • Make snares only available from ground effects abilities
    • Change emperorship to last minimum 24hours
    • Fix body sliding after cc breaking too quickly
    • Remove Block Casting through Battle Spirit
    • Fix the speed drop while jumping - see video
    • Fix loading screens when keeps upgrade
    • Fix Rams going crazy (spinning around)
    • Bring back dynamic ulti regeneration
    • Fix speed bug (abilities locked)
    • Introduce dynamic population
    • Lower population cap by 20%
    • Add Snare Immunity potions
    • Bring resurrection sickness
    • Fix character desync
    • Fix cc breaking bug
    • Fix gap closer bug
    • Fix health desync
    • Fix combat bug
    • Fix streak bug
    • Fix server lag
  • frozywozy
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    @jules if you need someone recording / streaming this, let me know.
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    “Small minds discuss people, average minds discuss events, and great minds discuss ideas.” -Eleanor Roosevelt
    • Fix Volendrung (spawn location - weapon white on the map causing the wielder to keep it forever - usable with emperorship)
    • Remove / Change CPs System, remove current CP/noCP campaigns and introduce one 30days with lock, one with no locks
    • Fix crashes when approaching a keep under attack because of bad / wrong rendering prioritization system
    • Change emperorship to value faction score points and not alliance points - see this and this
    • Fix long loading screens (mostly caused by players joining group out of rendering range)
    • Add 2 more quickslots to the wheel or add a different wheel for sieges weaponry only
    • Fix Balista Bolts not dealing damage on walls or doors if deployed at a certain place
    • Release bigger battlegrounds with 8 to 16 players per team and only two teams
    • Fix the permanent block animation - see examples : link1 link2 link3 link4 link5
    • Gives players 10 minutes to get back into Cyrodiil after relogging / crashing
    • Add a function to ignore the Claiming system of useless rewards
    • Improve the Mailing System / Rewards of the Worthy stacking
    • Assign specific group sizes to specific campaigns (24-16-8)
    • Make forward camps impossible to place near objectives
    • Make snares only available from ground effects abilities
    • Change emperorship to last minimum 24hours
    • Fix body sliding after cc breaking too quickly
    • Remove Block Casting through Battle Spirit
    • Fix the speed drop while jumping - see video
    • Fix loading screens when keeps upgrade
    • Fix Rams going crazy (spinning around)
    • Bring back dynamic ulti regeneration
    • Fix speed bug (abilities locked)
    • Introduce dynamic population
    • Lower population cap by 20%
    • Add Snare Immunity potions
    • Bring resurrection sickness
    • Fix character desync
    • Fix cc breaking bug
    • Fix gap closer bug
    • Fix health desync
    • Fix combat bug
    • Fix streak bug
    • Fix server lag
  • Sanct16
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    Would be cool if there would be someone streaming it. Would like to see some NA GvGs :)
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  • Seraph702
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    Sanct16 wrote: »
    Would be cool if there would be someone streaming it. Would like to see some NA GvGs :)

    Streaming it will only cause issues with the large zerg blobs that arent taking part to come try and zerg us down but i for one would LOVE to see that lol so please someone stream ^.^
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    Seraph702 wrote: »
    Sanct16 wrote: »
    Would be cool if there would be someone streaming it. Would like to see some NA GvGs :)

    Streaming it will only cause issues with the large zerg blobs that arent taking part to come try and zerg us down but i for one would LOVE to see that lol so please someone stream ^.^

    Since the location is already posted, pretty sure its already out lol.
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  • mchermie
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    Seraph702 wrote: »
    [ Streaming it will only cause issues with the large zerg blobs that arent taking part to come try and zerg us down
    That would honestly be funny, as they would get wrecked by the guilds participating. But I dont think thats going to be an issue, as most guild-leaders have at least some respect for the community and they would have nothing to gain from doing it
    Edited by mchermie on January 15, 2016 10:52AM
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  • Seraph702
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    mchermie wrote: »
    Seraph702 wrote: »
    [ Streaming it will only cause issues with the large zerg blobs that arent taking part to come try and zerg us down
    That would honestly be funny, as they would get wrecked by the guilds participating. But I dont think thats going to be an issue, as most guild-leaders has at least some respect for the community and they would have nothing to gain from doing it

    nothing to gain but the AP they would give us all would be insanely amusing.... i look forward to see you tomorrow mchermies <3 there can be only 1 saptank i will take your sap powers and consume them ^.^
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  • mchermie
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    Seraph702 wrote: »
    i look forward to see you tomorrow mchermies <3
    I'm not going to be there I'm afraid.. But I can't wait to hear about how it went down. Best of luck!
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  • Psilent
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    Last I checked, AD emperor on Trueflame had been reigning for ten days.
  • LazyLewis
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    I would also say note that double camo hunter proc should not be allowed as ZOS wants this gone but is not yet fixed entirely
    Edited by LazyLewis on January 15, 2016 1:39PM
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  • Darnathian
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    frozywozy wrote: »
    Lol. VE trying to avoid the challenge is hilarious. Gave me a good laugh!

    @xANTIxMATTERx - I think you're gonna have to let them come with the full 24men ballgroup against your 18men if you really expect them to show up, otherwise I'm afraid the Bulb's tradition of not being involved in GvG will stand.

    whenever i see VE they are pushing/defending objectives. thats what this game was designed around. that is what they have the most experience in. you want to fight them? the. go find them.

    to call them out because they dont want to participate is laughable. to each their own.
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