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is caltraps suppose to be a stamina builds magicka detnation
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✭✭There is a huge difference/imbalance between spammable magicka and stamina AOE (only taking non-class abilities into account).
Magicka
Spammable AOE: Impulse 6m radius (destro staff)
Stamina
Spammable AOE: Steel Tornado 12.5m radius (DW)
The surface area of Steel Tornado is almost 40 m2, the surface area of Impulse only 19 m2 (more than 2x smaller). Not only does Steel Tornado have a bigger surface area, it also deals 100% bonus dmg based on the missing health of the target.
Magicka Detonation does help to increase the burst of magikca builds but its out-classed by the superior Steel Tornado.
I dont see Caltrops as a pure AOE dmg ability, its more useful as detect/snare area with some dmg added.PC - EU (AD)Septimus Mezar - Altmer Sorcerer
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✭✭✭✭Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »Proxy det is way more practical than caltrops. Caltrops might be as good if it cost about 1/3 of the casting cost.
Yes and the damage it does per second is a joke the damage needs increased it does cause atm it hits light i literally see people just standing in them cause it does nothing hardly and this is suppose to benefit stamina builds ha idk how unless you just want an aoe that last for awhile you can throw down and get ap from i guess when there is a group of people going at it cause It's not very effective 1 vs 1
I refuse to read past the first few words as I cannot, and will not, kill brain cells trying to decipher your run-on mess.
Simply, Caltrops scales to weapon damage. Unless something in your build has changed, your w.dmg is extremely sub-optimal. Please keep in mind that the numbers you are seeing is not what the average player is seeing. If you fail to see the value of Caltrops as they are, then you will not find value in using the skill and really do not need to waste your time grinding for it since you have posted repeatedly how much you hate PvP and how broken it is for you. Tho, at am at a loss as to how you are even still playing the game since you posted you rage broke the game disc in half one of the times you failed to get a PvP win (or something along those lines).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNJY7T8uZWM my weapon damage is 3900 and caltrops still hits weak it needs a buff
What lol caltrops still hits weak it needs a buff to be on up were magicka detnation is if not at least increase the damage it does by how many people are in them like magicka detnation gets
It's a DoT. Damage over time. It's designed to do damage like that. It's also a snare and anti stealth skill with a huge radius.
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found1779✭✭✭Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »Proxy det is way more practical than caltrops. Caltrops might be as good if it cost about 1/3 of the casting cost.
Yes and the damage it does per second is a joke the damage needs increased it does cause atm it hits light i literally see people just standing in them cause it does nothing hardly and this is suppose to benefit stamina builds ha idk how unless you just want an aoe that last for awhile you can throw down and get ap from i guess when there is a group of people going at it cause It's not very effective 1 vs 1
I refuse to read past the first few words as I cannot, and will not, kill brain cells trying to decipher your run-on mess.
Simply, Caltrops scales to weapon damage. Unless something in your build has changed, your w.dmg is extremely sub-optimal. Please keep in mind that the numbers you are seeing is not what the average player is seeing. If you fail to see the value of Caltrops as they are, then you will not find value in using the skill and really do not need to waste your time grinding for it since you have posted repeatedly how much you hate PvP and how broken it is for you. Tho, at am at a loss as to how you are even still playing the game since you posted you rage broke the game disc in half one of the times you failed to get a PvP win (or something along those lines).https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNJY7T8uZWM my weapon damage is 3900 and caltrops still hits weak it needs a buff
What lol caltrops still hits weak it needs a buff to be on up were magicka detnation is if not at least increase the damage it does by how many people are in them like magicka detnation gets
It's a DoT. Damage over time. It's designed to do damage like that. It's also a snare and anti stealth skill with a huge radius.
It's absolutely fine.
Already then i 'll see it your way then caltrops isn't suppose to be a burst damage move or it isn't suppose to do more damage that's okay i guess but then it still doesn't take away from the fact there is no burst damage move in the assult line zos i demand you add one cause as it is it isn't fair0 -
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✭✭Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »Proxy det is way more practical than caltrops. Caltrops might be as good if it cost about 1/3 of the casting cost.
Yes and the damage it does per second is a joke the damage needs increased it does cause atm it hits light i literally see people just standing in them cause it does nothing hardly and this is suppose to benefit stamina builds ha idk how unless you just want an aoe that last for awhile you can throw down and get ap from i guess when there is a group of people going at it cause It's not very effective 1 vs 1
I refuse to read past the first few words as I cannot, and will not, kill brain cells trying to decipher your run-on mess.
Simply, Caltrops scales to weapon damage. Unless something in your build has changed, your w.dmg is extremely sub-optimal. Please keep in mind that the numbers you are seeing is not what the average player is seeing. If you fail to see the value of Caltrops as they are, then you will not find value in using the skill and really do not need to waste your time grinding for it since you have posted repeatedly how much you hate PvP and how broken it is for you. Tho, at am at a loss as to how you are even still playing the game since you posted you rage broke the game disc in half one of the times you failed to get a PvP win (or something along those lines).https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNJY7T8uZWM my weapon damage is 3900 and caltrops still hits weak it needs a buff
pls tell me how to get such low stats on stamsorc...btw. your first bar doesn't look that perfect XD
AND STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT CALTROPS, THEY ARE FINE!!!Noobplar0 -
Are you a lone wolf by any chance?
I use caltrops as they are good to hold up an attack at a choke point. Follow the snare up with a higher hitting attack - Meteor Ultimate, Snipe or let team mates who are magicka based cast Det.Remember it is a team game when PvPing unles you duel alot.
So use the benefits of your class mixed with those you play with.GT: Pougalbear
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✭Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »Proxy det is way more practical than caltrops. Caltrops might be as good if it cost about 1/3 of the casting cost.
Yes and the damage it does per second is a joke the damage needs increased it does cause atm it hits light i literally see people just standing in them cause it does nothing hardly and this is suppose to benefit stamina builds ha idk how unless you just want an aoe that last for awhile you can throw down and get ap from i guess when there is a group of people going at it cause It's not very effective 1 vs 1
I refuse to read past the first few words as I cannot, and will not, kill brain cells trying to decipher your run-on mess.
Simply, Caltrops scales to weapon damage. Unless something in your build has changed, your w.dmg is extremely sub-optimal. Please keep in mind that the numbers you are seeing is not what the average player is seeing. If you fail to see the value of Caltrops as they are, then you will not find value in using the skill and really do not need to waste your time grinding for it since you have posted repeatedly how much you hate PvP and how broken it is for you. Tho, at am at a loss as to how you are even still playing the game since you posted you rage broke the game disc in half one of the times you failed to get a PvP win (or something along those lines).https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNJY7T8uZWM my weapon damage is 3900 and caltrops still hits weak it needs a buff
What lol caltrops still hits weak it needs a buff to be on up were magicka detnation is if not at least increase the damage it does by how many people are in them like magicka detnation gets
It's a DoT. Damage over time. It's designed to do damage like that. It's also a snare and anti stealth skill with a huge radius.
It's absolutely fine.
Already then i 'll see it your way then caltrops isn't suppose to be a burst damage move or it isn't suppose to do more damage that's okay i guess but then it still doesn't take away from the fact there is no burst damage move in the assult line zos i demand you add one cause as it is it isn't fair
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JaJaLuka✭✭✭✭Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »Caltrops = ultimate zerg weapon .... What game are you playing?
Fun fact despite magic detonation being a zergs ultimate AOE bomb weapon it was designed to be a zerg buster. Nice job there ZOS make something to bust zergs instead makes them more powerful. Isn't that the definition of irony ?
True enough for the most part imo, though I believe it's Proxy Det that's the problem, not the original or Inevitable Det (other morph).Krojick, DC Sorc PC NA
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✭Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »Proxy det is way more practical than caltrops. Caltrops might be as good if it cost about 1/3 of the casting cost.
Yes and the damage it does per second is a joke the damage needs increased it does cause atm it hits light i literally see people just standing in them cause it does nothing hardly and this is suppose to benefit stamina builds ha idk how unless you just want an aoe that last for awhile you can throw down and get ap from i guess when there is a group of people going at it cause It's not very effective 1 vs 1
I refuse to read past the first few words as I cannot, and will not, kill brain cells trying to decipher your run-on mess.
Simply, Caltrops scales to weapon damage. Unless something in your build has changed, your w.dmg is extremely sub-optimal. Please keep in mind that the numbers you are seeing is not what the average player is seeing. If you fail to see the value of Caltrops as they are, then you will not find value in using the skill and really do not need to waste your time grinding for it since you have posted repeatedly how much you hate PvP and how broken it is for you. Tho, at am at a loss as to how you are even still playing the game since you posted you rage broke the game disc in half one of the times you failed to get a PvP win (or something along those lines).https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNJY7T8uZWM my weapon damage is 3900 and caltrops still hits weak it needs a buff
Lol who gets 3 MILLION 731 thousand bounty?0 -
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Tell me how to get higher weapon damage then i'm all ears it's 3900 trying to get it to over 4kRefuse2GrowUp wrote: »Proxy det is way more practical than caltrops. Caltrops might be as good if it cost about 1/3 of the casting cost.
Yes and the damage it does per second is a joke the damage needs increased it does cause atm it hits light i literally see people just standing in them cause it does nothing hardly and this is suppose to benefit stamina builds ha idk how unless you just want an aoe that last for awhile you can throw down and get ap from i guess when there is a group of people going at it cause It's not very effective 1 vs 1
I refuse to read past the first few words as I cannot, and will not, kill brain cells trying to decipher your run-on mess.
Simply, Caltrops scales to weapon damage. Unless something in your build has changed, your w.dmg is extremely sub-optimal. Please keep in mind that the numbers you are seeing is not what the average player is seeing. If you fail to see the value of Caltrops as they are, then you will not find value in using the skill and really do not need to waste your time grinding for it since you have posted repeatedly how much you hate PvP and how broken it is for you. Tho, at am at a loss as to how you are even still playing the game since you posted you rage broke the game disc in half one of the times you failed to get a PvP win (or something along those lines).https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNJY7T8uZWM my weapon damage is 3900 and caltrops still hits weak it needs a buff
pls tell me how to get such low stats on stamsorc...btw. your first bar doesn't look that perfect XD
AND STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT CALTROPS, THEY ARE FINE!!!
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Tell me how to get higher weapon damage then i'm all ears it's 3900 trying to get it to over 4kRefuse2GrowUp wrote: »Proxy det is way more practical than caltrops. Caltrops might be as good if it cost about 1/3 of the casting cost.
Yes and the damage it does per second is a joke the damage needs increased it does cause atm it hits light i literally see people just standing in them cause it does nothing hardly and this is suppose to benefit stamina builds ha idk how unless you just want an aoe that last for awhile you can throw down and get ap from i guess when there is a group of people going at it cause It's not very effective 1 vs 1
I refuse to read past the first few words as I cannot, and will not, kill brain cells trying to decipher your run-on mess.
Simply, Caltrops scales to weapon damage. Unless something in your build has changed, your w.dmg is extremely sub-optimal. Please keep in mind that the numbers you are seeing is not what the average player is seeing. If you fail to see the value of Caltrops as they are, then you will not find value in using the skill and really do not need to waste your time grinding for it since you have posted repeatedly how much you hate PvP and how broken it is for you. Tho, at am at a loss as to how you are even still playing the game since you posted you rage broke the game disc in half one of the times you failed to get a PvP win (or something along those lines).https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNJY7T8uZWM my weapon damage is 3900 and caltrops still hits weak it needs a buff
pls tell me how to get such low stats on stamsorc...btw. your first bar doesn't look that perfect XD
AND STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT CALTROPS, THEY ARE FINE!!!
it's not only wep-dmg...you can also raise your stamina by around 8k+. I don't know what you are wearing, but the "standard"-stam-setup should give you more than 4k wep-dmg with dw. Just search for it...i won't say it here, bc i already told you in another thread.Noobplar0 -
Stamina skill damage is based off the actual amount of your stamina pool. Weapon damage is for your light and heavy attacks.
Increase your stamina will increase your damage with the skill. Run food, enchantments etc to get it higher.
Use a skill which increases damage ie - Rally on the 2H skill line, or a potion.
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✭✭pougalbear wrote: »Stamina skill damage is based off the actual amount of your stamina pool. Weapon damage is for your light and heavy attacks.
Increase your stamina will increase your damage with the skill. Run food, enchantments etc to get it higher.
Use a skill which increases damage ie - Rally on the 2H skill line, or a potion.
False, skills strength is dependent on wep-dmg AND stamina in a ratio of about 10 (stam): 1 (wep dmg). Light/heavy attacks scale mostly with stamina. And he uses critsurge, so he has major brutality.Noobplar0 -
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✭Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »Proxy det is way more practical than caltrops. Caltrops might be as good if it cost about 1/3 of the casting cost.
Yes and the damage it does per second is a joke the damage needs increased it does cause atm it hits light i literally see people just standing in them cause it does nothing hardly and this is suppose to benefit stamina builds ha idk how unless you just want an aoe that last for awhile you can throw down and get ap from i guess when there is a group of people going at it cause It's not very effective 1 vs 1
I refuse to read past the first few words as I cannot, and will not, kill brain cells trying to decipher your run-on mess.
Simply, Caltrops scales to weapon damage. Unless something in your build has changed, your w.dmg is extremely sub-optimal. Please keep in mind that the numbers you are seeing is not what the average player is seeing. If you fail to see the value of Caltrops as they are, then you will not find value in using the skill and really do not need to waste your time grinding for it since you have posted repeatedly how much you hate PvP and how broken it is for you. Tho, at am at a loss as to how you are even still playing the game since you posted you rage broke the game disc in half one of the times you failed to get a PvP win (or something along those lines).https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNJY7T8uZWM my weapon damage is 3900 and caltrops still hits weak it needs a buff
Lol who gets 3 MILLION 731 thousand bounty?
Funnily enough, this was part of his very first post on here
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✭✭✭✭✭Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »
He wants an easy auto-win button.Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »So what is the guys problem then ? Any one but thread owner answer please.
Easy win button no I just want stamina to have as many options as magicka does and the moves do as much damage as magicka ones do it's not fair some dont like caltraps doesn't
There is, under weapon skill lines.
Wrecking blow, focused aim, steel tornado.
Destro staffs have NOTHING close to that.
Stamina users have vigor, a heal where no weapon has to be equipped. Magica users can't slot an inferno and lightning staff. They have to slot a resto staff for heals (apart from templars).
Stamina users have those going for them...
Don't forget extremely powerful Fighters Guild skills such as Camo/Evil Hunter and Silver Shards. I would LOVE to run a hard hitting Evil Hunter on my magicka builds.
Very true. Plus an ultimate that increases weapon damage for being slotted.
Magica users have stuff from mage's guild then. They're not forced to run a weapon to get spell damage buff (entropy) but then it can't be cast outside of combat (unlike rally).
Again op, not everything is equal. Pros and cons for stamina and magica.Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »
He wants an easy auto-win button.Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »So what is the guys problem then ? Any one but thread owner answer please.
Easy win button no I just want stamina to have as many options as magicka does and the moves do as much damage as magicka ones do it's not fair some dont like caltraps doesn't
There is, under weapon skill lines.
Wrecking blow, focused aim, steel tornado.
Destro staffs have NOTHING close to that.
Stamina users have vigor, a heal where no weapon has to be equipped. Magica users can't slot an inferno and lightning staff. They have to slot a resto staff for heals (apart from templars).
Stamina users have those going for them...
Don't forget extremely powerful Fighters Guild skills such as Camo/Evil Hunter and Silver Shards. I would LOVE to run a hard hitting Evil Hunter on my magicka builds.
Very true. Plus an ultimate that increases weapon damage for being slotted.
Magica users have stuff from mage's guild then. They're not forced to run a weapon to get spell damage buff (entropy) but then it can't be cast outside of combat (unlike rally).
Again op, not everything is equal. Pros and cons for stamina and magica.Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »
He wants an easy auto-win button.Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »So what is the guys problem then ? Any one but thread owner answer please.
Easy win button no I just want stamina to have as many options as magicka does and the moves do as much damage as magicka ones do it's not fair some dont like caltraps doesn't
There is, under weapon skill lines.
Wrecking blow, focused aim, steel tornado.
Destro staffs have NOTHING close to that.
Stamina users have vigor, a heal where no weapon has to be equipped. Magica users can't slot an inferno and lightning staff. They have to slot a resto staff for heals (apart from templars).
Stamina users have those going for them...
Don't forget extremely powerful Fighters Guild skills such as Camo/Evil Hunter and Silver Shards. I would LOVE to run a hard hitting Evil Hunter on my magicka builds.
Very true. Plus an ultimate that increases weapon damage for being slotted.
Magica users have stuff from mage's guild then. They're not forced to run a weapon to get spell damage buff (entropy) but then it can't be cast outside of combat (unlike rally).
Again op, not everything is equal. Pros and cons for stamina and magica.Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »Proxy det is way more practical than caltrops. Caltrops might be as good if it cost about 1/3 of the casting cost.
Yes and the damage it does per second is a joke the damage needs increased it does cause atm it hits light i literally see people just standing in them cause it does nothing hardly and this is suppose to benefit stamina builds ha idk how unless you just want an aoe that last for awhile you can throw down and get ap from i guess when there is a group of people going at it cause It's not very effective 1 vs 1
I refuse to read past the first few words as I cannot, and will not, kill brain cells trying to decipher your run-on mess.
Simply, Caltrops scales to weapon damage. Unless something in your build has changed, your w.dmg is extremely sub-optimal. Please keep in mind that the numbers you are seeing is not what the average player is seeing. If you fail to see the value of Caltrops as they are, then you will not find value in using the skill and really do not need to waste your time grinding for it since you have posted repeatedly how much you hate PvP and how broken it is for you. Tho, at am at a loss as to how you are even still playing the game since you posted you rage broke the game disc in half one of the times you failed to get a PvP win (or something along those lines).https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNJY7T8uZWM my weapon damage is 3900 and caltrops still hits weak it needs a buff
Your stats are still bad xDPS4 EU DC
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✭✭✭✭Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »Proxy det is way more practical than caltrops. Caltrops might be as good if it cost about 1/3 of the casting cost.
Yes and the damage it does per second is a joke the damage needs increased it does cause atm it hits light i literally see people just standing in them cause it does nothing hardly and this is suppose to benefit stamina builds ha idk how unless you just want an aoe that last for awhile you can throw down and get ap from i guess when there is a group of people going at it cause It's not very effective 1 vs 1
I refuse to read past the first few words as I cannot, and will not, kill brain cells trying to decipher your run-on mess.
Simply, Caltrops scales to weapon damage. Unless something in your build has changed, your w.dmg is extremely sub-optimal. Please keep in mind that the numbers you are seeing is not what the average player is seeing. If you fail to see the value of Caltrops as they are, then you will not find value in using the skill and really do not need to waste your time grinding for it since you have posted repeatedly how much you hate PvP and how broken it is for you. Tho, at am at a loss as to how you are even still playing the game since you posted you rage broke the game disc in half one of the times you failed to get a PvP win (or something along those lines).https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNJY7T8uZWM my weapon damage is 3900 and caltrops still hits weak it needs a buff
What lol caltrops still hits weak it needs a buff to be on up were magicka detnation is if not at least increase the damage it does by how many people are in them like magicka detnation gets
It's a DoT. Damage over time. It's designed to do damage like that. It's also a snare and anti stealth skill with a huge radius.
It's absolutely fine.
Already then i 'll see it your way then caltrops isn't suppose to be a burst damage move or it isn't suppose to do more damage that's okay i guess but then it still doesn't take away from the fact there is no burst damage move in the assult line zos i demand you add one cause as it is it isn't fair
Jesus Christ, there is plenty of burst stamina moves in weapon skills. If you can't burst as stamina you're just plain bad at this game1 -
found1779✭✭✭Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »Proxy det is way more practical than caltrops. Caltrops might be as good if it cost about 1/3 of the casting cost.
Yes and the damage it does per second is a joke the damage needs increased it does cause atm it hits light i literally see people just standing in them cause it does nothing hardly and this is suppose to benefit stamina builds ha idk how unless you just want an aoe that last for awhile you can throw down and get ap from i guess when there is a group of people going at it cause It's not very effective 1 vs 1
I refuse to read past the first few words as I cannot, and will not, kill brain cells trying to decipher your run-on mess.
Simply, Caltrops scales to weapon damage. Unless something in your build has changed, your w.dmg is extremely sub-optimal. Please keep in mind that the numbers you are seeing is not what the average player is seeing. If you fail to see the value of Caltrops as they are, then you will not find value in using the skill and really do not need to waste your time grinding for it since you have posted repeatedly how much you hate PvP and how broken it is for you. Tho, at am at a loss as to how you are even still playing the game since you posted you rage broke the game disc in half one of the times you failed to get a PvP win (or something along those lines).https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNJY7T8uZWM my weapon damage is 3900 and caltrops still hits weak it needs a buff
What lol caltrops still hits weak it needs a buff to be on up were magicka detnation is if not at least increase the damage it does by how many people are in them like magicka detnation gets
It's a DoT. Damage over time. It's designed to do damage like that. It's also a snare and anti stealth skill with a huge radius.
It's absolutely fine.
Already then i 'll see it your way then caltrops isn't suppose to be a burst damage move or it isn't suppose to do more damage that's okay i guess but then it still doesn't take away from the fact there is no burst damage move in the assult line zos i demand you add one cause as it is it isn't fair
Jesus Christ, there is plenty of burst stamina moves in weapon skills. If you can't burst as stamina you're just plain bad at this game
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✭✭✭✭Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »Proxy det is way more practical than caltrops. Caltrops might be as good if it cost about 1/3 of the casting cost.
Yes and the damage it does per second is a joke the damage needs increased it does cause atm it hits light i literally see people just standing in them cause it does nothing hardly and this is suppose to benefit stamina builds ha idk how unless you just want an aoe that last for awhile you can throw down and get ap from i guess when there is a group of people going at it cause It's not very effective 1 vs 1
I refuse to read past the first few words as I cannot, and will not, kill brain cells trying to decipher your run-on mess.
Simply, Caltrops scales to weapon damage. Unless something in your build has changed, your w.dmg is extremely sub-optimal. Please keep in mind that the numbers you are seeing is not what the average player is seeing. If you fail to see the value of Caltrops as they are, then you will not find value in using the skill and really do not need to waste your time grinding for it since you have posted repeatedly how much you hate PvP and how broken it is for you. Tho, at am at a loss as to how you are even still playing the game since you posted you rage broke the game disc in half one of the times you failed to get a PvP win (or something along those lines).https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNJY7T8uZWM my weapon damage is 3900 and caltrops still hits weak it needs a buff
What lol caltrops still hits weak it needs a buff to be on up were magicka detnation is if not at least increase the damage it does by how many people are in them like magicka detnation gets
It's a DoT. Damage over time. It's designed to do damage like that. It's also a snare and anti stealth skill with a huge radius.
It's absolutely fine.
Already then i 'll see it your way then caltrops isn't suppose to be a burst damage move or it isn't suppose to do more damage that's okay i guess but then it still doesn't take away from the fact there is no burst damage move in the assult line zos i demand you add one cause as it is it isn't fair
Jesus Christ, there is plenty of burst stamina moves in weapon skills. If you can't burst as stamina you're just plain bad at this game
Just a few for a stamina sorcerer
I have a Stam sorc and do incredibly well with it. Yes, it's wrecking blow dependant, but they there is the burst dps you're talking about.
My magica builds would love a spammable, hard hitting cc that empowers itself...
Genuinely would take that over magica det.0 -
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✭Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »Proxy det is way more practical than caltrops. Caltrops might be as good if it cost about 1/3 of the casting cost.
Yes and the damage it does per second is a joke the damage needs increased it does cause atm it hits light i literally see people just standing in them cause it does nothing hardly and this is suppose to benefit stamina builds ha idk how unless you just want an aoe that last for awhile you can throw down and get ap from i guess when there is a group of people going at it cause It's not very effective 1 vs 1
I refuse to read past the first few words as I cannot, and will not, kill brain cells trying to decipher your run-on mess.
Simply, Caltrops scales to weapon damage. Unless something in your build has changed, your w.dmg is extremely sub-optimal. Please keep in mind that the numbers you are seeing is not what the average player is seeing. If you fail to see the value of Caltrops as they are, then you will not find value in using the skill and really do not need to waste your time grinding for it since you have posted repeatedly how much you hate PvP and how broken it is for you. Tho, at am at a loss as to how you are even still playing the game since you posted you rage broke the game disc in half one of the times you failed to get a PvP win (or something along those lines).https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNJY7T8uZWM my weapon damage is 3900 and caltrops still hits weak it needs a buff
What lol caltrops still hits weak it needs a buff to be on up were magicka detnation is if not at least increase the damage it does by how many people are in them like magicka detnation gets
It's a DoT. Damage over time. It's designed to do damage like that. It's also a snare and anti stealth skill with a huge radius.
It's absolutely fine.
Already then i 'll see it your way then caltrops isn't suppose to be a burst damage move or it isn't suppose to do more damage that's okay i guess but then it still doesn't take away from the fact there is no burst damage move in the assult line zos i demand you add one cause as it is it isn't fair
Jesus Christ, there is plenty of burst stamina moves in weapon skills. If you can't burst as stamina you're just plain bad at this game
Just a few for a stamina sorcerer
You should really look up King Richard and Lord @FENGRUSH if you think that happens to be true.
Am really sorry to tell you but playing Stam Sorc actually takes Skills and you kinda don't have any.0 -
found1779✭✭✭Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »Proxy det is way more practical than caltrops. Caltrops might be as good if it cost about 1/3 of the casting cost.
Yes and the damage it does per second is a joke the damage needs increased it does cause atm it hits light i literally see people just standing in them cause it does nothing hardly and this is suppose to benefit stamina builds ha idk how unless you just want an aoe that last for awhile you can throw down and get ap from i guess when there is a group of people going at it cause It's not very effective 1 vs 1
I refuse to read past the first few words as I cannot, and will not, kill brain cells trying to decipher your run-on mess.
Simply, Caltrops scales to weapon damage. Unless something in your build has changed, your w.dmg is extremely sub-optimal. Please keep in mind that the numbers you are seeing is not what the average player is seeing. If you fail to see the value of Caltrops as they are, then you will not find value in using the skill and really do not need to waste your time grinding for it since you have posted repeatedly how much you hate PvP and how broken it is for you. Tho, at am at a loss as to how you are even still playing the game since you posted you rage broke the game disc in half one of the times you failed to get a PvP win (or something along those lines).https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNJY7T8uZWM my weapon damage is 3900 and caltrops still hits weak it needs a buff
What lol caltrops still hits weak it needs a buff to be on up were magicka detnation is if not at least increase the damage it does by how many people are in them like magicka detnation gets
It's a DoT. Damage over time. It's designed to do damage like that. It's also a snare and anti stealth skill with a huge radius.
It's absolutely fine.
Already then i 'll see it your way then caltrops isn't suppose to be a burst damage move or it isn't suppose to do more damage that's okay i guess but then it still doesn't take away from the fact there is no burst damage move in the assult line zos i demand you add one cause as it is it isn't fair
Jesus Christ, there is plenty of burst stamina moves in weapon skills. If you can't burst as stamina you're just plain bad at this game
Just a few for a stamina sorcerer
You should really look up King Richard and Lord @FENGRUSH if you think that happens to be true.
Am really sorry to tell you but playing Stam Sorc actually takes Skills and you kinda don't have any.
Skill it's called skill because of the lack of skills there are for a stamina sorcerer i can beat anyone also with the dumb spamming wrecking blow but that's dumb my wb does 15k in stealth and 14k out stealth i just find it dumb to spam only one move to win and if it's considered skill to do so i'm good i ain't doing that0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »Proxy det is way more practical than caltrops. Caltrops might be as good if it cost about 1/3 of the casting cost.
Yes and the damage it does per second is a joke the damage needs increased it does cause atm it hits light i literally see people just standing in them cause it does nothing hardly and this is suppose to benefit stamina builds ha idk how unless you just want an aoe that last for awhile you can throw down and get ap from i guess when there is a group of people going at it cause It's not very effective 1 vs 1
I refuse to read past the first few words as I cannot, and will not, kill brain cells trying to decipher your run-on mess.
Simply, Caltrops scales to weapon damage. Unless something in your build has changed, your w.dmg is extremely sub-optimal. Please keep in mind that the numbers you are seeing is not what the average player is seeing. If you fail to see the value of Caltrops as they are, then you will not find value in using the skill and really do not need to waste your time grinding for it since you have posted repeatedly how much you hate PvP and how broken it is for you. Tho, at am at a loss as to how you are even still playing the game since you posted you rage broke the game disc in half one of the times you failed to get a PvP win (or something along those lines).https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNJY7T8uZWM my weapon damage is 3900 and caltrops still hits weak it needs a buff
What lol caltrops still hits weak it needs a buff to be on up were magicka detnation is if not at least increase the damage it does by how many people are in them like magicka detnation gets
It's a DoT. Damage over time. It's designed to do damage like that. It's also a snare and anti stealth skill with a huge radius.
It's absolutely fine.
Already then i 'll see it your way then caltrops isn't suppose to be a burst damage move or it isn't suppose to do more damage that's okay i guess but then it still doesn't take away from the fact there is no burst damage move in the assult line zos i demand you add one cause as it is it isn't fair
Jesus Christ, there is plenty of burst stamina moves in weapon skills. If you can't burst as stamina you're just plain bad at this game
Just a few for a stamina sorcerer
You should really look up King Richard and Lord @FENGRUSH if you think that happens to be true.
Am really sorry to tell you but playing Stam Sorc actually takes Skills and you kinda don't have any.
Skill it's called skill because of the lack of skills there are for a stamina sorcerer i can beat anyone also with the dumb spamming wrecking blow but that's dumb my wb does 15k in stealth and 14k out stealth i just find it dumb to spam only one move to win and if it's considered skill to do so i'm good i ain't doing that
and having caltraps do 10k dmg on hit would also be considered skill?
There are plenty of ways to play than just spamming wb, wb is just effective and simple therefore all the bad kids spam it.
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Instant✭✭✭✭✭Septimus_Magna wrote: »There is a huge difference/imbalance between spammable magicka and stamina AOE (only taking non-class abilities into account).
Magicka
Spammable AOE: Impulse 6m radius (destro staff)
Stamina
Spammable AOE: Steel Tornado 12.5m radius (DW)
The surface area of Steel Tornado is almost 40 m2, the surface area of Impulse only 19 m2 (more than 2x smaller). Not only does Steel Tornado have a bigger surface area, it also deals 100% bonus dmg based on the missing health of the target.
Magicka Detonation does help to increase the burst of magikca builds but its out-classed by the superior Steel Tornado.
I dont see Caltrops as a pure AOE dmg ability, its more useful as detect/snare area with some dmg added.
Your math is a bit off. It's even worse because steel tornado covers an area more than 4 times the size of impulse.Peace is a lie, there is only passion.0 -
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✭✭Septimus_Magna wrote: »There is a huge difference/imbalance between spammable magicka and stamina AOE (only taking non-class abilities into account).
Magicka
Spammable AOE: Impulse 6m radius (destro staff)
Stamina
Spammable AOE: Steel Tornado 12.5m radius (DW)
The surface area of Steel Tornado is almost 40 m2, the surface area of Impulse only 19 m2 (more than 2x smaller). Not only does Steel Tornado have a bigger surface area, it also deals 100% bonus dmg based on the missing health of the target.
Magicka Detonation does help to increase the burst of magikca builds but its out-classed by the superior Steel Tornado.
I dont see Caltrops as a pure AOE dmg ability, its more useful as detect/snare area with some dmg added.
Your math is a bit off. It's even worse because steel tornado covers an area more than 4 times the size of impulse.
You're correct, must be the hangover from NYE..
Impulse = 3,14 x 3^2 = 28,3 m2
Steel Tornado = 3,14 x 6,25^2 = 112,7 m2
112,7 / 28,3 = 4,3x bigger surface area.Edited by Septimus_Magna on January 4, 2016 1:02PMPC - EU (AD)Septimus Mezar - Altmer Sorcerer
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You really can't talk about Grammar buddy.Trust me you can't beat most competent players know how to dodge and get away from Wrecking Blow and won't get hit by it. FENGRUSH posted something about that before but it's really not just spamming wrecking blow.Its a Crit rush and a few other abilities he mentioned will also be on your death recap.Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »Proxy det is way more practical than caltrops. Caltrops might be as good if it cost about 1/3 of the casting cost.
Yes and the damage it does per second is a joke the damage needs increased it does cause atm it hits light i literally see people just standing in them cause it does nothing hardly and this is suppose to benefit stamina builds ha idk how unless you just want an aoe that last for awhile you can throw down and get ap from i guess when there is a group of people going at it cause It's not very effective 1 vs 1
I refuse to read past the first few words as I cannot, and will not, kill brain cells trying to decipher your run-on mess.
Simply, Caltrops scales to weapon damage. Unless something in your build has changed, your w.dmg is extremely sub-optimal. Please keep in mind that the numbers you are seeing is not what the average player is seeing. If you fail to see the value of Caltrops as they are, then you will not find value in using the skill and really do not need to waste your time grinding for it since you have posted repeatedly how much you hate PvP and how broken it is for you. Tho, at am at a loss as to how you are even still playing the game since you posted you rage broke the game disc in half one of the times you failed to get a PvP win (or something along those lines).https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNJY7T8uZWM my weapon damage is 3900 and caltrops still hits weak it needs a buff
What lol caltrops still hits weak it needs a buff to be on up were magicka detnation is if not at least increase the damage it does by how many people are in them like magicka detnation gets
It's a DoT. Damage over time. It's designed to do damage like that. It's also a snare and anti stealth skill with a huge radius.
It's absolutely fine.
Already then i 'll see it your way then caltrops isn't suppose to be a burst damage move or it isn't suppose to do more damage that's okay i guess but then it still doesn't take away from the fact there is no burst damage move in the assult line zos i demand you add one cause as it is it isn't fair
Jesus Christ, there is plenty of burst stamina moves in weapon skills. If you can't burst as stamina you're just plain bad at this game
Just a few for a stamina sorcerer
You should really look up King Richard and Lord @FENGRUSH if you think that happens to be true.
Am really sorry to tell you but playing Stam Sorc actually takes Skills and you kinda don't have any.
Skill it's called skill because of the lack of skills there are for a stamina sorcerer i can beat anyone also with the dumb spamming wrecking blow but that's dumb my wb does 15k in stealth and 14k out stealth i just find it dumb to spam only one move to win and if it's considered skill to do so i'm good i ain't doing thatEdited by Jaronking on January 4, 2016 12:50PM0 -
MishMash✭✭✭✭CavalierPrime wrote: »
That would be a caltrollip, two different thangs. Just keepin it real!Edited by MishMash on January 4, 2016 1:19PMPC NA DC 4eva! I try my very best. If it is not good enough for you too bad! Playing off and on since April 2014 CP2009.0 -
MishMash✭✭✭✭Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »Proxy det is way more practical than caltrops. Caltrops might be as good if it cost about 1/3 of the casting cost.
Yes and the damage it does per second is a joke the damage needs increased it does cause atm it hits light i literally see people just standing in them cause it does nothing hardly and this is suppose to benefit stamina builds ha idk how unless you just want an aoe that last for awhile you can throw down and get ap from i guess when there is a group of people going at it cause It's not very effective 1 vs 1
I refuse to read past the first few words as I cannot, and will not, kill brain cells trying to decipher your run-on mess.
Simply, Caltrops scales to weapon damage. Unless something in your build has changed, your w.dmg is extremely sub-optimal. Please keep in mind that the numbers you are seeing is not what the average player is seeing. If you fail to see the value of Caltrops as they are, then you will not find value in using the skill and really do not need to waste your time grinding for it since you have posted repeatedly how much you hate PvP and how broken it is for you. Tho, at am at a loss as to how you are even still playing the game since you posted you rage broke the game disc in half one of the times you failed to get a PvP win (or something along those lines).https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNJY7T8uZWM my weapon damage is 3900 and caltrops still hits weak it needs a buff
pls tell me how to get such low stats on stamsorc...btw. your first bar doesn't look that perfect XD
AND STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT CALTROPS, THEY ARE FINE!!!
PC NA DC 4eva! I try my very best. If it is not good enough for you too bad! Playing off and on since April 2014 CP2009.0 -
found1779✭✭✭Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »Proxy det is way more practical than caltrops. Caltrops might be as good if it cost about 1/3 of the casting cost.
Yes and the damage it does per second is a joke the damage needs increased it does cause atm it hits light i literally see people just standing in them cause it does nothing hardly and this is suppose to benefit stamina builds ha idk how unless you just want an aoe that last for awhile you can throw down and get ap from i guess when there is a group of people going at it cause It's not very effective 1 vs 1
I refuse to read past the first few words as I cannot, and will not, kill brain cells trying to decipher your run-on mess.
Simply, Caltrops scales to weapon damage. Unless something in your build has changed, your w.dmg is extremely sub-optimal. Please keep in mind that the numbers you are seeing is not what the average player is seeing. If you fail to see the value of Caltrops as they are, then you will not find value in using the skill and really do not need to waste your time grinding for it since you have posted repeatedly how much you hate PvP and how broken it is for you. Tho, at am at a loss as to how you are even still playing the game since you posted you rage broke the game disc in half one of the times you failed to get a PvP win (or something along those lines).https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNJY7T8uZWM my weapon damage is 3900 and caltrops still hits weak it needs a buff
pls tell me how to get such low stats on stamsorc...btw. your first bar doesn't look that perfect XD
AND STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT CALTROPS, THEY ARE FINE!!!
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