is caltraps suppose to be a stamina builds magicka detnation

Refuse2GrowUp · January 2016

found1779 wrote: »

Explain to me then why the assault skill line has a burst damage move for magicka but it doesn't for stamina when this is suppose to be a shared skill line that's suppose to benefit magicka and stamina players but it only benefits stamina players with a heal that's vigor that's no good if you are a stamina dps tho I don't give a crap about a healing move I want a damn dps move just like magicka players get zos is basically telling me being stamina isn't suppose to be for dps but only for tanks I think this is why the werewolf is the way it is why is werewolf setup more for a tank and not dps ridiculous .

i am not sure if you realize this but magica det was and still is used by stam nightblades and some stam templars for heavy burst damage combos they buff up proc proxy det ambush into a mob pop bat swarm thus bats and det go off same time weave any number of skills while invisible skills to include high burst stamina weave-ables such as those in the fighters guild tree then if anyone is left alive they either clean up or stealth up and sneak off to prep to rinse and repeat you see even tho magicka det scales off magicka spell damage and thus does more damage for a mag build it still can be used by a stam build to set up a high burst combo i am not sure if you are implying that werewolves are for tanking vice dps i certainly hope that isn't the case tho nothing from you would surprise me vigor is an amazing skill and as a stamina build you need heals you have certainly demonstrated that you neither have enough burst to quickly kill before taking damage nor have the brawn and sustain to win a prolonged fight might i recommend you use vigor for both pvp and pve lastly many people are willing to help you if you would simply listen take yourself a bit more seriously and maybe others will just as you are going to have a hard time reading this and think it illiterate rubbish there is sound advice and logic here pretty hard to follow without taking the time to actually communicate like a grown up tho anyway if this is how you prefer to express yourself in writing then maybe it will sink in better this way regards and good luck in the game

Brrrofski · January 2016

found1779 wrote: »

PBpsy wrote: »

Why would you want a crappy mag detonation on stam when you can spam steal tornado 6 or 7 times in the same time ? Without much concern of: people getting away from all of it , you accidental reseting the timers ,the direct magicka damage reduction champion perks and annulment.
Stamina players SMH.

Cause it isn't like there really is a hard hitting move in the assult line for a stamina build except caltrops and it doesn't do very good damage unless someone is just standing in them which never hardly happens magicka detnation does alot of damage in a shorter amount of time i just don't understand why there isn't no good move in assult that goes off of weapon damage and stamina but yet the final skill you get in assult is magicka detnation how does this move even benefit a stamina player none at all and as such caltrops should do more damage in a short amount of time like magicka detnation does

Stam users have strong weapon skill lines.

Imagine if staff users had an equivalent of wrecking blow, steel tornado or focused aim...

MishMash · January 2016

"I make god grow up" (facepalm)

Unsent.Soul · January 2016

found1779 wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Someone take this kid's forum account away please.

Your rude please don't type

He's kind of right... OP. You are comparing apples to oranges and refusing to understand their difference. If you could read the tool tip you would see the big picture. See that, it's a period.... they help too.

CavalierPrime · January 2016

ralonasan wrote: »

What's a caltrap?

A cute girl(?) living on the west coast?

Dubhliam · January 2016

Alucardo wrote: »

found1779 wrote: »

Explain to me then why the assault skill line has a burst damage move for magicka but it doesn't for stamina when this is suppose to be a shared skill line that's suppose to benefit magicka and stamina players but it only benefits stamina players with a heal that's vigor that's no good if you are a stamina dps tho I don't give a crap about a healing move I want a damn dps move just like magicka players get zos is basically telling me being stamina isn't suppose to be for dps but only for tanks I think this is why the werewolf is the way it is why is werewolf setup more for a tank and not dps ridiculous .

Who are you sleeping with to get agrees on your comments?

At first I thought it was this guy:

Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »

found1779 wrote: »

Explain to me then why the assault skill line has a burst damage move for magicka but it doesn't for stamina when this is suppose to be a shared skill line that's suppose to benefit magicka and stamina players but it only benefits stamina players with a heal that's vigor that's no good if you are a stamina dps tho I don't give a crap about a healing move I want a damn dps move just like magicka players get zos is basically telling me being stamina isn't suppose to be for dps but only for tanks I think this is why the werewolf is the way it is why is werewolf setup more for a tank and not dps ridiculous .

i am not sure if you realize this but magica det was and still is used by stam nightblades and some stam templars for heavy burst damage combos they buff up proc proxy det ambush into a mob pop bat swarm thus bats and det go off same time weave any number of skills while invisible skills to include high burst stamina weave-ables such as those in the fighters guild tree then if anyone is left alive they either clean up or stealth up and sneak off to prep to rinse and repeat you see even tho magicka det scales off magicka spell damage and thus does more damage for a mag build it still can be used by a stam build to set up a high burst combo i am not sure if you are implying that werewolves are for tanking vice dps i certainly hope that isn't the case tho nothing from you would surprise me vigor is an amazing skill and as a stamina build you need heals you have certainly demonstrated that you neither have enough burst to quickly kill before taking damage nor have the brawn and sustain to win a prolonged fight might i recommend you use vigor for both pvp and pve lastly many people are willing to help you if you would simply listen take yourself a bit more seriously and maybe others will just as you are going to have a hard time reading this and think it illiterate rubbish there is sound advice and logic here pretty hard to follow without taking the time to actually communicate like a grown up tho anyway if this is how you prefer to express yourself in writing then maybe it will sink in better this way regards and good luck in the game

I didn't bother reading due to 0 punctuation, and he even beats him in length.
But then I glimpsed the end of the "sentence" and thought: "Man, not even this guy agrees with him."

Forestd16b14_ESO · January 2016

So what is the guys problem then ? Any one but thread owner answer please.

PBpsy · January 2016

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

So what is the guys problem then ? Any one but thread owner answer please.

He wants Caltrops to be an AOE Wreaking blow. He also loathes the whole "punctuation" concept.

LBxFinalDeath · January 2016

I've had caltrops crit on me for 12K out of nowhere sometimes.

It confuses me a bit when it happens.

CavalierPrime · January 2016

LBxFinalDeath wrote: »

I've had caltrops crit on me for 12K out of nowhere sometimes.

It confuses me a bit when it happens.

I think it gives you the total damage from DoTs on your death sheet. Unless you're on PC running add-ons, and you saw the first tick hit you for 12K, then I dont know what to tell you.

UrQuan · January 2016

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

So what is the guys problem then ? Any one but thread owner answer please.

He wants an easy auto-win button.

RAGUNAnoOne · January 2016

CavalierPrime wrote: »

LBxFinalDeath wrote: »

I've had caltrops crit on me for 12K out of nowhere sometimes.

It confuses me a bit when it happens.

I think it gives you the total damage from DoTs on your death sheet. Unless you're on PC running add-ons, and you saw the first tick hit you for 12K, then I dont know what to tell you.

Yeah it does that is why I had almost 200K from the curse the first time I fought the high kinlord in vet banished cells no one knew the mechanics then

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zerosingularity · January 2016

found1779 wrote: »

Just was wondering the last to skills you unlock in assault is caltraps and magicka detnation is caltraps suppose to be the skill that's suppose to be like magicka detnation is only for stamina builds and if it is then why is it not as powerful as magicka detnation caltraps should also be on the same performance level damage wise as magicka detnation but it isn't caltraps should get a damage increase for everyone that's in them also just like magicka detnation gets when your near the person who has it on them

A little late to the party, but people will be more willing to listen and give good replies if you use basic grammar. It doesn't have to be perfect, but in near every post you make there is no sense of proper grammar and it makes those posts a chore to read, producing negative emotions to those posts, even if they are constructive in nature.

Also caltrops was a skill available at release, magicka detonation is much more recent of an addition. They are not meant to be comparable.

found1779 · January 2016

UrQuan wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

So what is the guys problem then ? Any one but thread owner answer please.

He wants an easy auto-win button.

Easy win button no I just want stamina to have as many options as magicka does and the moves do as much damage as magicka ones do it's not fair some dont like caltraps doesn't

leepalmer95 · January 2016

found1779 wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

So what is the guys problem then ? Any one but thread owner answer please.

He wants an easy auto-win button.

Easy win button no I just want stamina to have as many options as magicka does and the moves do as much damage as magicka ones do it's not fair some dont like caltraps doesn't

Pls stop...

PBpsy · January 2016

Can someone make a recording of one of this guy`s posts ? I would but my accents would make it even more hilarious.

UrQuan · January 2016

found1779 wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

So what is the guys problem then ? Any one but thread owner answer please.

He wants an easy auto-win button.

Easy win button no I just want stamina to have as many options as magicka does and the moves do as much damage as magicka ones do it's not fair some dont like caltraps doesn't

Caltrops is better than Magicka Detonation in every respect except for burst damage, and you want to give it burst damage equal to Magicka Detonation. You want an easy auto-win button.

found1779 · January 2016

UrQuan wrote: »

found1779 wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

So what is the guys problem then ? Any one but thread owner answer please.

He wants an easy auto-win button.

Easy win button no I just want stamina to have as many options as magicka does and the moves do as much damage as magicka ones do it's not fair some dont like caltraps doesn't

Caltrops is better than Magicka Detonation in every respect except for burst damage, and you want to give it burst damage equal to Magicka Detonation. You want an easy auto-win button.

Razor caltrops does burst damage when you first throw it but it's only like 2k or so even if it was raised up to something like 10k it would be fine and then caltrops continue to proc like usually.

found1779 · January 2016

Plus I originally said caltrops should just get a damage increase like magicka det does for everyone that's near the person but the opposite for caltrops everyone that's in them it increases the damage it does per proc

Wollust · January 2016

found1779 wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

found1779 wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

So what is the guys problem then ? Any one but thread owner answer please.

He wants an easy auto-win button.

Easy win button no I just want stamina to have as many options as magicka does and the moves do as much damage as magicka ones do it's not fair some dont like caltraps doesn't

Caltrops is better than Magicka Detonation in every respect except for burst damage, and you want to give it burst damage equal to Magicka Detonation. You want an easy auto-win button.

Razor caltrops does burst damage when you first throw it but it's only like 2k or so even if it was raised up to something like 10k it would be fine and then caltrops continue to proc like usually.

No it shouldn't.
Caltrops is not meant for burst damage. That's why the damage it does is fine. Caltrops is not supposed to be the equivalent to detonation. Both have their own, individual purpose. Seriously, it can't be that hard to understand.

Shunravi · January 2016

PBpsy wrote: »

Can someone make a recording of one of this guy`s posts ? I would but my accents would make it even more hilarious.

I could try. But I'm afraid I would pass out from loss of breath.

acw37162 · January 2016

PBpsy wrote: »

Why would you want a crappy mag detonation on stam when you can spam steal tornado 6 or 7 times in the same time ? Without much concern of: people getting away from all of it , you accidental reseting the timers ,the direct magicka damage reduction champion perks and annulment.
Stamina players SMH.

Because it's a damn good magic dump on a Stam/melter build if you have no other magica abilities.

Because it's great extra burst while in melee range.

Because it will bust a Zerg.

Because when you are getting triple teamed the red circle may relieve some pressure.

UrQuan · January 2016

Wollust wrote: »

found1779 wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

found1779 wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

So what is the guys problem then ? Any one but thread owner answer please.

He wants an easy auto-win button.

Easy win button no I just want stamina to have as many options as magicka does and the moves do as much damage as magicka ones do it's not fair some dont like caltraps doesn't

Caltrops is better than Magicka Detonation in every respect except for burst damage, and you want to give it burst damage equal to Magicka Detonation. You want an easy auto-win button.

Razor caltrops does burst damage when you first throw it but it's only like 2k or so even if it was raised up to something like 10k it would be fine and then caltrops continue to proc like usually.

No it shouldn't.
Caltrops is not meant for burst damage. That's why the damage it does is fine. Caltrops is not supposed to be the equivalent to detonation. Both have their own, individual purpose. Seriously, it can't be that hard to understand.

It shouldn't be, and yet apparently for one person (and it seems that it's only one person - everyone else seems to understand it) it really is.

found1779 · January 2016

Wollust wrote: »

found1779 wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

found1779 wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

So what is the guys problem then ? Any one but thread owner answer please.

He wants an easy auto-win button.

Easy win button no I just want stamina to have as many options as magicka does and the moves do as much damage as magicka ones do it's not fair some dont like caltraps doesn't

Caltrops is better than Magicka Detonation in every respect except for burst damage, and you want to give it burst damage equal to Magicka Detonation. You want an easy auto-win button.

Razor caltrops does burst damage when you first throw it but it's only like 2k or so even if it was raised up to something like 10k it would be fine and then caltrops continue to proc like usually.

No it shouldn't.
Caltrops is not meant for burst damage. That's why the damage it does is fine. Caltrops is not supposed to be the equivalent to detonation. Both have their own, individual purpose. Seriously, it can't be that hard to understand.

All I understand is assault has a burst damage move for magicka but by this logic stamina doesn't

Shunravi · January 2016

found1779 wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

found1779 wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

found1779 wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

So what is the guys problem then ? Any one but thread owner answer please.

He wants an easy auto-win button.

Easy win button no I just want stamina to have as many options as magicka does and the moves do as much damage as magicka ones do it's not fair some dont like caltraps doesn't

Caltrops is better than Magicka Detonation in every respect except for burst damage, and you want to give it burst damage equal to Magicka Detonation. You want an easy auto-win button.

Razor caltrops does burst damage when you first throw it but it's only like 2k or so even if it was raised up to something like 10k it would be fine and then caltrops continue to proc like usually.

No it shouldn't.
Caltrops is not meant for burst damage. That's why the damage it does is fine. Caltrops is not supposed to be the equivalent to detonation. Both have their own, individual purpose. Seriously, it can't be that hard to understand.

All I understand is assault has a burst damage move for magicka but by this logic stamina doesn't

So? Why should it?

leepalmer95 · January 2016

acw37162 wrote: »

PBpsy wrote: »

Why would you want a crappy mag detonation on stam when you can spam steal tornado 6 or 7 times in the same time ? Without much concern of: people getting away from all of it , you accidental reseting the timers ,the direct magicka damage reduction champion perks and annulment.
Stamina players SMH.

Because it's a damn good magic dump on a Stam/melter build if you have no other magica abilities.

Because it's great extra burst while in melee range.

Because it will bust a Zerg.

Because when you are getting triple teamed the red circle may relieve some pressure.

What class doesn't have magicka abilities?

Wollust · January 2016

found1779 wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

found1779 wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

found1779 wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

So what is the guys problem then ? Any one but thread owner answer please.

He wants an easy auto-win button.

Easy win button no I just want stamina to have as many options as magicka does and the moves do as much damage as magicka ones do it's not fair some dont like caltraps doesn't

Caltrops is better than Magicka Detonation in every respect except for burst damage, and you want to give it burst damage equal to Magicka Detonation. You want an easy auto-win button.

Razor caltrops does burst damage when you first throw it but it's only like 2k or so even if it was raised up to something like 10k it would be fine and then caltrops continue to proc like usually.

No it shouldn't.
Caltrops is not meant for burst damage. That's why the damage it does is fine. Caltrops is not supposed to be the equivalent to detonation. Both have their own, individual purpose. Seriously, it can't be that hard to understand.

All I understand is assault has a burst damage move for magicka but by this logic stamina doesn't

And stamina gets a speedbuff and a healing ability. The PvP skill lines have different skills, not meant to be equal for both stamina and magicka. Each skill has their own, unique purpose, tied to either magicka or stamina.

I'll try this way: Can you imagine, if Razor Caltrops would do your proposed 10k burst damage, what would happen on the battlefield? I know what I'd be doing: Sitting safely on the walls spamming the hell out of caltrops with a few friends, killing everything and anything. Sounds legit.

Dubhliam · January 2016

You want equality yet you only look at improving yourself.
There are many things very different between magicka and stamina builds. And that is supposed to stay that way.

If you want equality, then they should add physical resistance to CP passives.
Even then you can have more resistance to magical damage by pumping both elemental and magic resistances.

Have you for a second thought this maybe isn't a game for you?

Why don't you simply go play some first person shooters?
There you will be on equal ground with all other players. No skills, no passives, everybody have the same weapons they can take.
You "just" need to aim and shoot.

MMORPG obviously isn't working out for you.

found1779 · January 2016

Shunravi wrote: »

found1779 wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

found1779 wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

found1779 wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

So what is the guys problem then ? Any one but thread owner answer please.

He wants an easy auto-win button.

Easy win button no I just want stamina to have as many options as magicka does and the moves do as much damage as magicka ones do it's not fair some dont like caltraps doesn't

Caltrops is better than Magicka Detonation in every respect except for burst damage, and you want to give it burst damage equal to Magicka Detonation. You want an easy auto-win button.

Razor caltrops does burst damage when you first throw it but it's only like 2k or so even if it was raised up to something like 10k it would be fine and then caltrops continue to proc like usually.

No it shouldn't.
Caltrops is not meant for burst damage. That's why the damage it does is fine. Caltrops is not supposed to be the equivalent to detonation. Both have their own, individual purpose. Seriously, it can't be that hard to understand.

All I understand is assault has a burst damage move for magicka but by this logic stamina doesn't

So? Why should it?

Cause it's a skill line that's suppose to benefit magicka and stamina players why does it only have a heal move vigor doesn't benefit stamina dps I just want straight dps moves on my bar if it is a skill line for pvpers it should benefit both players plus someone said caltrops was around 1st then magicka det is newer see zos added magicka det new cause they thought caltrops was good for stamina players so they decided the next move should be magicka thats fine and all but the stamina move isnt as good as the magicka one dps wise

UrQuan · January 2016

found1779 wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

found1779 wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

found1779 wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

So what is the guys problem then ? Any one but thread owner answer please.

He wants an easy auto-win button.

Easy win button no I just want stamina to have as many options as magicka does and the moves do as much damage as magicka ones do it's not fair some dont like caltraps doesn't

Caltrops is better than Magicka Detonation in every respect except for burst damage, and you want to give it burst damage equal to Magicka Detonation. You want an easy auto-win button.

Razor caltrops does burst damage when you first throw it but it's only like 2k or so even if it was raised up to something like 10k it would be fine and then caltrops continue to proc like usually.

No it shouldn't.
Caltrops is not meant for burst damage. That's why the damage it does is fine. Caltrops is not supposed to be the equivalent to detonation. Both have their own, individual purpose. Seriously, it can't be that hard to understand.

All I understand is assault has a burst damage move for magicka but by this logic stamina doesn't

And Assault has a great DoT/snare skill for stamina but not for magicka.
And Assault has a great speed buff/snare immunity skill for stamina but not for magicka.
And Assault has a great heal skill for stamina but not for magicka.

So I guess somehow you think that every skill line should have identical options for both magicka and stamina? Sorry, the game doesn't work like that, and it would be insanely boring if it did.