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is caltraps suppose to be a stamina builds magicka detnation

  • found1779
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    Wollust wrote: »
    found1779 wrote: »
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    UrQuan wrote: »
    found1779 wrote: »
    UrQuan wrote: »
    So what is the guys problem then ? Any one but thread owner answer please.
    He wants an easy auto-win button.

    Easy win button no I just want stamina to have as many options as magicka does and the moves do as much damage as magicka ones do it's not fair some dont like caltraps doesn't
    Caltrops is better than Magicka Detonation in every respect except for burst damage, and you want to give it burst damage equal to Magicka Detonation. You want an easy auto-win button.

    Razor caltrops does burst damage when you first throw it but it's only like 2k or so even if it was raised up to something like 10k it would be fine and then caltrops continue to proc like usually.

    No it shouldn't.
    Caltrops is not meant for burst damage. That's why the damage it does is fine. Caltrops is not supposed to be the equivalent to detonation. Both have their own, individual purpose. Seriously, it can't be that hard to understand.

    All I understand is assault has a burst damage move for magicka but by this logic stamina doesn't

    And stamina gets a speedbuff and a healing ability. The PvP skill lines have different skills, not meant to be equal for both stamina and magicka. Each skill has their own, unique purpose, tied to either magicka or stamina.

    I'll try this way: Can you imagine, if Razor Caltrops would do your proposed 10k burst damage, what would happen on the battlefield? I know what I'd be doing: Sitting safely on the walls spamming the hell out of caltrops with a few friends, killing everything and anything. Sounds legit.

    But this is what people already do will magicka detnation
  • found1779
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    UrQuan wrote: »
    found1779 wrote: »
    Wollust wrote: »
    found1779 wrote: »
    UrQuan wrote: »
    found1779 wrote: »
    UrQuan wrote: »
    So what is the guys problem then ? Any one but thread owner answer please.
    He wants an easy auto-win button.

    Easy win button no I just want stamina to have as many options as magicka does and the moves do as much damage as magicka ones do it's not fair some dont like caltraps doesn't
    Caltrops is better than Magicka Detonation in every respect except for burst damage, and you want to give it burst damage equal to Magicka Detonation. You want an easy auto-win button.

    Razor caltrops does burst damage when you first throw it but it's only like 2k or so even if it was raised up to something like 10k it would be fine and then caltrops continue to proc like usually.

    No it shouldn't.
    Caltrops is not meant for burst damage. That's why the damage it does is fine. Caltrops is not supposed to be the equivalent to detonation. Both have their own, individual purpose. Seriously, it can't be that hard to understand.

    All I understand is assault has a burst damage move for magicka but by this logic stamina doesn't
    And Assault has a great DoT/snare skill for stamina but not for magicka.
    And Assault has a great speed buff/snare immunity skill for stamina but not for magicka.
    And Assault has a great heal skill for stamina but not for magicka.

    So I guess somehow you think that every skill line should have identical options for both magicka and stamina? Sorry, the game doesn't work like that, and it would be insanely boring if it did.

    Not really it would be a even playing field then
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    found1779 wrote: »
    Shunravi wrote: »
    found1779 wrote: »
    Wollust wrote: »
    found1779 wrote: »
    UrQuan wrote: »
    found1779 wrote: »
    UrQuan wrote: »
    So what is the guys problem then ? Any one but thread owner answer please.
    He wants an easy auto-win button.

    Easy win button no I just want stamina to have as many options as magicka does and the moves do as much damage as magicka ones do it's not fair some dont like caltraps doesn't
    Caltrops is better than Magicka Detonation in every respect except for burst damage, and you want to give it burst damage equal to Magicka Detonation. You want an easy auto-win button.

    Razor caltrops does burst damage when you first throw it but it's only like 2k or so even if it was raised up to something like 10k it would be fine and then caltrops continue to proc like usually.

    No it shouldn't.
    Caltrops is not meant for burst damage. That's why the damage it does is fine. Caltrops is not supposed to be the equivalent to detonation. Both have their own, individual purpose. Seriously, it can't be that hard to understand.

    All I understand is assault has a burst damage move for magicka but by this logic stamina doesn't

    So? Why should it?

    Cause it's a skill line that's suppose to benefit magicka and stamina players why does it only have a heal move vigor doesn't benefit stamina dps I just want straight dps moves on my bar if it is a skill line for pvpers it should benefit both players plus someone said caltrops was around 1st then magicka det is newer see zos added magicka det new cause they thought caltrops was good for stamina players so they decided the next move should be magicka thats fine and all but the stamina move isnt as good as the magicka one dps wise
    If you can't understand how to use Caltrops to increase your DPS, then MMOs are too complicated for you.
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  • Wollust
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    Screw it. I give up. I have better chances teaching my dog how to fly than to explain/reason something with you.
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  • Refuse2GrowUp
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    found1779 wrote: »
    UrQuan wrote: »
    found1779 wrote: »
    Wollust wrote: »
    found1779 wrote: »
    UrQuan wrote: »
    found1779 wrote: »
    UrQuan wrote: »
    So what is the guys problem then ? Any one but thread owner answer please.
    He wants an easy auto-win button.

    Easy win button no I just want stamina to have as many options as magicka does and the moves do as much damage as magicka ones do it's not fair some dont like caltraps doesn't
    Caltrops is better than Magicka Detonation in every respect except for burst damage, and you want to give it burst damage equal to Magicka Detonation. You want an easy auto-win button.

    Razor caltrops does burst damage when you first throw it but it's only like 2k or so even if it was raised up to something like 10k it would be fine and then caltrops continue to proc like usually.

    No it shouldn't.
    Caltrops is not meant for burst damage. That's why the damage it does is fine. Caltrops is not supposed to be the equivalent to detonation. Both have their own, individual purpose. Seriously, it can't be that hard to understand.

    All I understand is assault has a burst damage move for magicka but by this logic stamina doesn't
    And Assault has a great DoT/snare skill for stamina but not for magicka.
    And Assault has a great speed buff/snare immunity skill for stamina but not for magicka.
    And Assault has a great heal skill for stamina but not for magicka.

    So I guess somehow you think that every skill line should have identical options for both magicka and stamina? Sorry, the game doesn't work like that, and it would be insanely boring if it did.

    Not really it would be a even playing field then

    No, it certainly would not
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  • found1779
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    Wollust wrote: »
    Screw it. I give up. I have better chances teaching my magickato fly than to explain/reason something with you.

    I understand what you are saying but I still see no reason for there to be more magic
    UrQuan wrote: »
    found1779 wrote: »
    Shunravi wrote: »
    found1779 wrote: »
    Wollust wrote: »
    found1779 wrote: »
    UrQuan wrote: »
    found1779 wrote: »
    UrQuan wrote: »
    So what is the guys problem then ? Any one but thread owner answer please.
    He wants an easy auto-win button.

    Easy win button no I just want stamina to have as many options as magicka does and the moves do as much damage as magicka ones do it's not fair some dont like caltraps doesn't
    Caltrops is better than Magicka Detonation in every respect except for burst damage, and you want to give it burst damage equal to Magicka Detonation. You want an easy auto-win button.

    Razor caltrops does burst damage when you first throw it but it's only like 2k or so even if it was raised up to something like 10k it would be fine and then caltrops continue to proc like usually.

    No it shouldn't.
    Caltrops is not meant for burst damage. That's why the damage it does is fine. Caltrops is not supposed to be the equivalent to detonation. Both have their own, individual purpose. Seriously, it can't be that hard to understand.

    All I understand is assault has a burst damage move for magicka but by this logic stamina doesn't

    So? Why should it?

    Cause it's a skill line that's suppose to benefit magicka and stamina players why does it only have a heal move vigor doesn't benefit stamina dps I just want straight dps moves on my bar if it is a skill line for pvpers it should benefit both players plus someone said caltrops was around 1st then magicka det is newer see zos added magicka det new cause they thought caltrops was good for stamina players so they decided the next move should be magicka thats fine and all but the stamina move isnt as good as the magicka one dps wise
    If you can't understand how to use Caltrops to increase your DPS, then MMOs are too complicated for you.

    Understand what's there to understand caltrops it's self doesn't do as high of damage as magicka det does I know it's not intended to but I think it should be to be even with magicka users I know there are skills in assault that benefit stamina and not magicka but I don't care I don't use those anyways there needs to be a burst damage move in the assault line that supports stamina players that's just my opinion take it or leave it
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    @found1779
    when will you ask for a reflective scales on a sorc.
    or cloak on a templar.
    there is a reason there are different type of abilty's. your post would have made just a little bit sense if caltrops would be totally useless and detonation really op. but this isn't the case, both abilty's have their set place in the game. don't copy paste every thing you see. we are done of preschool where they taught you that. now you can try to make new things ;)
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    found1779 wrote: »
    Wollust wrote: »
    Screw it. I give up. I have better chances teaching my magickato fly than to explain/reason something with you.

    I understand what you are saying but I still see no reason for there to be more magic
    UrQuan wrote: »
    found1779 wrote: »
    Shunravi wrote: »
    found1779 wrote: »
    Wollust wrote: »
    found1779 wrote: »
    UrQuan wrote: »
    found1779 wrote: »
    UrQuan wrote: »
    So what is the guys problem then ? Any one but thread owner answer please.
    He wants an easy auto-win button.

    Easy win button no I just want stamina to have as many options as magicka does and the moves do as much damage as magicka ones do it's not fair some dont like caltraps doesn't
    Caltrops is better than Magicka Detonation in every respect except for burst damage, and you want to give it burst damage equal to Magicka Detonation. You want an easy auto-win button.

    Razor caltrops does burst damage when you first throw it but it's only like 2k or so even if it was raised up to something like 10k it would be fine and then caltrops continue to proc like usually.

    No it shouldn't.
    Caltrops is not meant for burst damage. That's why the damage it does is fine. Caltrops is not supposed to be the equivalent to detonation. Both have their own, individual purpose. Seriously, it can't be that hard to understand.

    All I understand is assault has a burst damage move for magicka but by this logic stamina doesn't

    So? Why should it?

    Cause it's a skill line that's suppose to benefit magicka and stamina players why does it only have a heal move vigor doesn't benefit stamina dps I just want straight dps moves on my bar if it is a skill line for pvpers it should benefit both players plus someone said caltrops was around 1st then magicka det is newer see zos added magicka det new cause they thought caltrops was good for stamina players so they decided the next move should be magicka thats fine and all but the stamina move isnt as good as the magicka one dps wise
    If you can't understand how to use Caltrops to increase your DPS, then MMOs are too complicated for you.

    Understand what's there to understand caltrops it's self doesn't do as high of damage as magicka det does I know it's not intended to but I think it should be to be even with magicka users I know there are skills in assault that benefit stamina and not magicka but I don't care I don't use those anyways there needs to be a burst damage move in the assault line that supports stamina players that's just my opinion take it or leave it
    And your opinion shows that not only do you not understand this game in the slightest, but you're also not willing to learn from any of the countless people in this thread who do understand this game.

    Protip: if absolutely everyone disagrees with your opinion, your opinion might be flat-out wrong.
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  • Destruent
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    found1779 wrote: »
    UrQuan wrote: »
    found1779 wrote: »
    UrQuan wrote: »
    So what is the guys problem then ? Any one but thread owner answer please.
    He wants an easy auto-win button.

    Easy win button no I just want stamina to have as many options as magicka does and the moves do as much damage as magicka ones do it's not fair some dont like caltraps doesn't
    Caltrops is better than Magicka Detonation in every respect except for burst damage, and you want to give it burst damage equal to Magicka Detonation. You want an easy auto-win button.

    Razor caltrops does burst damage when you first throw it but it's only like 2k or so even if it was raised up to something like 10k it would be fine and then caltrops continue to proc like usually.

    10k in pvp??? this would be 20k in pve...this would make it a litle bit OP for an already strong dot...
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  • Refuse2GrowUp
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    found1779 wrote: »
    Wollust wrote: »
    Screw it. I give up. I have better chances teaching my magickato fly than to explain/reason something with you.

    I understand what you are saying but I still see no reason for there to be more magic
    UrQuan wrote: »
    found1779 wrote: »
    Shunravi wrote: »
    found1779 wrote: »
    Wollust wrote: »
    found1779 wrote: »
    UrQuan wrote: »
    found1779 wrote: »
    UrQuan wrote: »
    So what is the guys problem then ? Any one but thread owner answer please.
    He wants an easy auto-win button.

    Easy win button no I just want stamina to have as many options as magicka does and the moves do as much damage as magicka ones do it's not fair some dont like caltraps doesn't
    Caltrops is better than Magicka Detonation in every respect except for burst damage, and you want to give it burst damage equal to Magicka Detonation. You want an easy auto-win button.

    Razor caltrops does burst damage when you first throw it but it's only like 2k or so even if it was raised up to something like 10k it would be fine and then caltrops continue to proc like usually.

    No it shouldn't.
    Caltrops is not meant for burst damage. That's why the damage it does is fine. Caltrops is not supposed to be the equivalent to detonation. Both have their own, individual purpose. Seriously, it can't be that hard to understand.

    All I understand is assault has a burst damage move for magicka but by this logic stamina doesn't

    So? Why should it?

    Cause it's a skill line that's suppose to benefit magicka and stamina players why does it only have a heal move vigor doesn't benefit stamina dps I just want straight dps moves on my bar if it is a skill line for pvpers it should benefit both players plus someone said caltrops was around 1st then magicka det is newer see zos added magicka det new cause they thought caltrops was good for stamina players so they decided the next move should be magicka thats fine and all but the stamina move isnt as good as the magicka one dps wise
    If you can't understand how to use Caltrops to increase your DPS, then MMOs are too complicated for you.

    Understand what's there to understand caltrops it's self doesn't do as high of damage as magicka det does I know it's not intended to but I think it should be to be even with magicka users I know there are skills in assault that benefit stamina and not magicka but I don't care I don't use those anyways there needs to be a burst damage move in the assault line that supports stamina players that's just my opinion take it or leave it

    Your argument is akin to saying Destro skills should hit as hard as Wrecking Blow and CC, because well, it isn't fair that 2H can and Staff cannot.

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    found1779 wrote: »
    Wollust wrote: »
    Screw it. I give up. I have better chances teaching my magickato fly than to explain/reason something with you.

    I understand what you are saying but I still see no reason for there to be more magic
    UrQuan wrote: »
    found1779 wrote: »
    Shunravi wrote: »
    found1779 wrote: »
    Wollust wrote: »
    found1779 wrote: »
    UrQuan wrote: »
    found1779 wrote: »
    UrQuan wrote: »
    So what is the guys problem then ? Any one but thread owner answer please.
    He wants an easy auto-win button.

    Easy win button no I just want stamina to have as many options as magicka does and the moves do as much damage as magicka ones do it's not fair some dont like caltraps doesn't
    Caltrops is better than Magicka Detonation in every respect except for burst damage, and you want to give it burst damage equal to Magicka Detonation. You want an easy auto-win button.

    Razor caltrops does burst damage when you first throw it but it's only like 2k or so even if it was raised up to something like 10k it would be fine and then caltrops continue to proc like usually.

    No it shouldn't.
    Caltrops is not meant for burst damage. That's why the damage it does is fine. Caltrops is not supposed to be the equivalent to detonation. Both have their own, individual purpose. Seriously, it can't be that hard to understand.

    All I understand is assault has a burst damage move for magicka but by this logic stamina doesn't

    So? Why should it?

    Cause it's a skill line that's suppose to benefit magicka and stamina players why does it only have a heal move vigor doesn't benefit stamina dps I just want straight dps moves on my bar if it is a skill line for pvpers it should benefit both players plus someone said caltrops was around 1st then magicka det is newer see zos added magicka det new cause they thought caltrops was good for stamina players so they decided the next move should be magicka thats fine and all but the stamina move isnt as good as the magicka one dps wise
    If you can't understand how to use Caltrops to increase your DPS, then MMOs are too complicated for you.

    Understand what's there to understand caltrops it's self doesn't do as high of damage as magicka det does I know it's not intended to but I think it should be to be even with magicka users I know there are skills in assault that benefit stamina and not magicka but I don't care I don't use those anyways there needs to be a burst damage move in the assault line that supports stamina players that's just my opinion take it or leave it

    I said it already, use grammar. If you continually refuse to do so, please note than the majority of players will be aggravated at anything you say, and it makes understanding what you wish to convey that much more difficult.

    Also:

    Caltrops = OP DPS for stamina users, even single target
    Magicka Detonation = OP DPS for magicka users, even single target.

    BTW Magicka Detonation was added to help quell zergs, sadly it backfired. That was the sole reason we got it. Also Stam users naturally have more burst than Magicka users, so you wanting a stam burst move in the pvp skill line is unjustified.

    Please remember that just because you want something, doesn't mean it would be balanced if you got it. (In this case it would definitely not be if Caltrops had a burst component as big as Magicka Detonation.)

    So I will say this one last time, use proper grammar (Doesn't have to be perfect), and try to understand people's explanations. If you do not do so, expect to be insulted often by posters tired of you not being clear (when it is easy to just add periods and capital letters). You will also be considered a forum troll if you are not careful (given the posts I have read of yours), so please tread lightly. You have all the information you need in this thread, so time for you to close it.
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  • Brrrofski
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    found1779 wrote: »
    UrQuan wrote: »
    So what is the guys problem then ? Any one but thread owner answer please.
    He wants an easy auto-win button.

    Easy win button no I just want stamina to have as many options as magicka does and the moves do as much damage as magicka ones do it's not fair some dont like caltraps doesn't

    There is, under weapon skill lines.

    Wrecking blow, focused aim, steel tornado.

    Destro staffs have NOTHING close to that.

    Stamina users have vigor, a heal where no weapon has to be equipped. Magica users can't slot an inferno and lightning staff. They have to slot a resto staff for heals (apart from templars).

    Stamina users have those going for them, while magica users have a lot more class skill options.

    They both have advantages and disadvantages when you compare them.

    Caltrops is a good skill anyway. It's not meant to really be a huge damage move. It snares everyone in it and brings players out of and stops them going into stealth. It has it's place and does it's job well. Again, there's no magica equivalent of that.

    This is genuinely one of the most unwarranted (and badly written) gripes I've read on this forum. That is some achievement.
  • Refuse2GrowUp
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    Brrrofski wrote: »
    found1779 wrote: »
    UrQuan wrote: »
    So what is the guys problem then ? Any one but thread owner answer please.
    He wants an easy auto-win button.

    Easy win button no I just want stamina to have as many options as magicka does and the moves do as much damage as magicka ones do it's not fair some dont like caltraps doesn't

    There is, under weapon skill lines.

    Wrecking blow, focused aim, steel tornado.

    Destro staffs have NOTHING close to that.

    Stamina users have vigor, a heal where no weapon has to be equipped. Magica users can't slot an inferno and lightning staff. They have to slot a resto staff for heals (apart from templars).

    Stamina users have those going for them...

    Don't forget extremely powerful Fighters Guild skills such as Camo/Evil Hunter and Silver Shards. I would LOVE to run a hard hitting Evil Hunter on my magicka builds.
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  • OGLezard
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    caltraps trumps magicka det for one simple reason: it is a DOME aoe. Meaning if you are a floor above the floor it was cast on, that *** will still hit you because #zoslogic and yet they have never corrected this......gg
    Edited by OGLezard on January 3, 2016 11:15PM
  • Brrrofski
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    Brrrofski wrote: »
    found1779 wrote: »
    UrQuan wrote: »
    So what is the guys problem then ? Any one but thread owner answer please.
    He wants an easy auto-win button.

    Easy win button no I just want stamina to have as many options as magicka does and the moves do as much damage as magicka ones do it's not fair some dont like caltraps doesn't

    There is, under weapon skill lines.

    Wrecking blow, focused aim, steel tornado.

    Destro staffs have NOTHING close to that.

    Stamina users have vigor, a heal where no weapon has to be equipped. Magica users can't slot an inferno and lightning staff. They have to slot a resto staff for heals (apart from templars).

    Stamina users have those going for them...

    Don't forget extremely powerful Fighters Guild skills such as Camo/Evil Hunter and Silver Shards. I would LOVE to run a hard hitting Evil Hunter on my magicka builds.

    Very true. Plus an ultimate that increases weapon damage for being slotted.

    Magica users have stuff from mage's guild then. They're not forced to run a weapon to get spell damage buff (entropy) but then it can't be cast outside of combat (unlike rally).

    Again op, not everything is equal. Pros and cons for stamina and magica.
    Edited by Brrrofski on January 3, 2016 11:19PM
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    acw37162 wrote: »
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    Why would you want a crappy mag detonation on stam when you can spam steal tornado 6 or 7 times in the same time ? Without much concern of: people getting away from all of it , you accidental reseting the timers ,the direct magicka damage reduction champion perks and annulment.
    Stamina players SMH.


    Because it's a damn good magic dump on a Stam/melter build if you have no other magica abilities.

    Because it's great extra burst while in melee range.

    Because it will bust a Zerg.

    Because when you are getting triple teamed the red circle may relieve some pressure.

    That is kind of a good use, however what the OP is asking ,kind of invalidates it. A proxy that scales of weapon damage but costs magicka would be kind of OP though.
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    Tell me what burst moves a stamina sorcerer has besides wrecking blow none and to boot there isn't even one in the pvp skill line for stamina players this is dumb
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    Wow, there are no warnings, no removed post.

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    found1779 wrote: »
    this is dumb
    A perfect description of this thread right here.

    Have you noticed that not a single person agrees with your ridiculous premise that caltrops needs burst damage equivalent to magicka detonation? Does that not tell you something?
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    UrQuan wrote: »
    found1779 wrote: »
    this is dumb
    A perfect description of this thread right here.

    Have you noticed that not a single person agrees with your ridiculous premise that caltrops needs burst damage equivalent to magicka detonation? Does that not tell you something?

    My original post on here I just suggested the damage be increased by how many people was in them since it's a big aoe this would be awesome
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    If stamina gets another non class non ultimate burst damage than I want a magicka ground AOE damage skill that isn't *** like wall of elements, yeah it melts through enemies in a hundred years they will be half melted but we both will have to suffer. Just camo hunter and snipe people to death from stealth like every other stamina burst damage in PvP does then crit charge=dead if that fails WB and streak .
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    found1779 wrote: »
    UrQuan wrote: »
    found1779 wrote: »
    this is dumb
    A perfect description of this thread right here.

    Have you noticed that not a single person agrees with your ridiculous premise that caltrops needs burst damage equivalent to magicka detonation? Does that not tell you something?

    My original post on here I just suggested the damage be increased by how many people was in them since it's a big aoe this would be awesome
    If by "awesome" you mean "an incredibly OP easy win button" then yes, exactly.
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    If stamina gets another non class non ultimate burst damage than I want a magicka ground AOE damage skill that isn't *** like wall of elements, yeah it melts through enemies in a hundred years they will be half melted but we both will have to suffer. Just camo hunter and snipe people to death from stealth like every other stamina burst damage in PvP does then crit charge=dead if that fails WB and streak .

    well, at least wall can negate an average joes helth regen...
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    "is caltraps suppose to be a stamina builds magicka detnation"?

    No, it isn't.
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    found1779 wrote: »
    Cathexis wrote: »
    Proxy det is way more practical than caltrops. Caltrops might be as good if it cost about 1/3 of the casting cost.

    Yes and the damage it does per second is a joke the damage needs increased it does cause atm it hits light i literally see people just standing in them cause it does nothing hardly and this is suppose to benefit stamina builds ha idk how unless you just want an aoe that last for awhile you can throw down and get ap from i guess when there is a group of people going at it cause It's not very effective 1 vs 1

    I refuse to read past the first few words as I cannot, and will not, kill brain cells trying to decipher your run-on mess.

    Simply, Caltrops scales to weapon damage. Unless something in your build has changed, your w.dmg is extremely sub-optimal. Please keep in mind that the numbers you are seeing is not what the average player is seeing. If you fail to see the value of Caltrops as they are, then you will not find value in using the skill and really do not need to waste your time grinding for it since you have posted repeatedly how much you hate PvP and how broken it is for you. Tho, at am at a loss as to how you are even still playing the game since you posted you rage broke the game disc in half one of the times you failed to get a PvP win (or something along those lines).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNJY7T8uZWM my weapon damage is 3900 and caltrops still hits weak it needs a buff
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    10/10 thread
    Gave up.
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    found1779 wrote: »
    found1779 wrote: »
    Cathexis wrote: »
    Proxy det is way more practical than caltrops. Caltrops might be as good if it cost about 1/3 of the casting cost.

    Yes and the damage it does per second is a joke the damage needs increased it does cause atm it hits light i literally see people just standing in them cause it does nothing hardly and this is suppose to benefit stamina builds ha idk how unless you just want an aoe that last for awhile you can throw down and get ap from i guess when there is a group of people going at it cause It's not very effective 1 vs 1

    I refuse to read past the first few words as I cannot, and will not, kill brain cells trying to decipher your run-on mess.

    Simply, Caltrops scales to weapon damage. Unless something in your build has changed, your w.dmg is extremely sub-optimal. Please keep in mind that the numbers you are seeing is not what the average player is seeing. If you fail to see the value of Caltrops as they are, then you will not find value in using the skill and really do not need to waste your time grinding for it since you have posted repeatedly how much you hate PvP and how broken it is for you. Tho, at am at a loss as to how you are even still playing the game since you posted you rage broke the game disc in half one of the times you failed to get a PvP win (or something along those lines).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNJY7T8uZWM my weapon damage is 3900 and caltrops still hits weak it needs a buff
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    Jhunn wrote: »
    10/10 thread

    10/10 hopefully that's a good thing or not lol
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    Shunravi wrote: »
    found1779 wrote: »
    found1779 wrote: »
    Cathexis wrote: »
    Proxy det is way more practical than caltrops. Caltrops might be as good if it cost about 1/3 of the casting cost.

    Yes and the damage it does per second is a joke the damage needs increased it does cause atm it hits light i literally see people just standing in them cause it does nothing hardly and this is suppose to benefit stamina builds ha idk how unless you just want an aoe that last for awhile you can throw down and get ap from i guess when there is a group of people going at it cause It's not very effective 1 vs 1

    I refuse to read past the first few words as I cannot, and will not, kill brain cells trying to decipher your run-on mess.

    Simply, Caltrops scales to weapon damage. Unless something in your build has changed, your w.dmg is extremely sub-optimal. Please keep in mind that the numbers you are seeing is not what the average player is seeing. If you fail to see the value of Caltrops as they are, then you will not find value in using the skill and really do not need to waste your time grinding for it since you have posted repeatedly how much you hate PvP and how broken it is for you. Tho, at am at a loss as to how you are even still playing the game since you posted you rage broke the game disc in half one of the times you failed to get a PvP win (or something along those lines).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNJY7T8uZWM my weapon damage is 3900 and caltrops still hits weak it needs a buff
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    What lol caltrops still hits weak it needs a buff to be on up were magicka detnation is if not at least increase the damage it does by how many people are in them like magicka detnation gets
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    found1779 wrote: »
    Shunravi wrote: »
    found1779 wrote: »
    found1779 wrote: »
    Cathexis wrote: »
    Proxy det is way more practical than caltrops. Caltrops might be as good if it cost about 1/3 of the casting cost.

    Yes and the damage it does per second is a joke the damage needs increased it does cause atm it hits light i literally see people just standing in them cause it does nothing hardly and this is suppose to benefit stamina builds ha idk how unless you just want an aoe that last for awhile you can throw down and get ap from i guess when there is a group of people going at it cause It's not very effective 1 vs 1

    I refuse to read past the first few words as I cannot, and will not, kill brain cells trying to decipher your run-on mess.

    Simply, Caltrops scales to weapon damage. Unless something in your build has changed, your w.dmg is extremely sub-optimal. Please keep in mind that the numbers you are seeing is not what the average player is seeing. If you fail to see the value of Caltrops as they are, then you will not find value in using the skill and really do not need to waste your time grinding for it since you have posted repeatedly how much you hate PvP and how broken it is for you. Tho, at am at a loss as to how you are even still playing the game since you posted you rage broke the game disc in half one of the times you failed to get a PvP win (or something along those lines).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNJY7T8uZWM my weapon damage is 3900 and caltrops still hits weak it needs a buff
    iWKad22.jpg

    What lol caltrops still hits weak it needs a buff to be on up were magicka detnation is if not at least increase the damage it does by how many people are in them like magicka detnation gets

    Do you understand the concept of a damage over time ability? Especially one with a 30 second timer? Disregard the fact that it's an aoe and applies a slow.
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