Caltrops is better than Magicka Detonation in every respect except for burst damage, and you want to give it burst damage equal to Magicka Detonation. You want an easy auto-win button.He wants an easy auto-win button.Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »So what is the guys problem then ? Any one but thread owner answer please.
Easy win button no I just want stamina to have as many options as magicka does and the moves do as much damage as magicka ones do it's not fair some dont like caltraps doesn't
Razor caltrops does burst damage when you first throw it but it's only like 2k or so even if it was raised up to something like 10k it would be fine and then caltrops continue to proc like usually.
No it shouldn't.
Caltrops is not meant for burst damage. That's why the damage it does is fine. Caltrops is not supposed to be the equivalent to detonation. Both have their own, individual purpose. Seriously, it can't be that hard to understand.
All I understand is assault has a burst damage move for magicka but by this logic stamina doesn't
And stamina gets a speedbuff and a healing ability. The PvP skill lines have different skills, not meant to be equal for both stamina and magicka. Each skill has their own, unique purpose, tied to either magicka or stamina.
I'll try this way: Can you imagine, if Razor Caltrops would do your proposed 10k burst damage, what would happen on the battlefield? I know what I'd be doing: Sitting safely on the walls spamming the hell out of caltrops with a few friends, killing everything and anything. Sounds legit.
And Assault has a great DoT/snare skill for stamina but not for magicka.Caltrops is better than Magicka Detonation in every respect except for burst damage, and you want to give it burst damage equal to Magicka Detonation. You want an easy auto-win button.He wants an easy auto-win button.Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »So what is the guys problem then ? Any one but thread owner answer please.
Easy win button no I just want stamina to have as many options as magicka does and the moves do as much damage as magicka ones do it's not fair some dont like caltraps doesn't
Razor caltrops does burst damage when you first throw it but it's only like 2k or so even if it was raised up to something like 10k it would be fine and then caltrops continue to proc like usually.
No it shouldn't.
Caltrops is not meant for burst damage. That's why the damage it does is fine. Caltrops is not supposed to be the equivalent to detonation. Both have their own, individual purpose. Seriously, it can't be that hard to understand.
All I understand is assault has a burst damage move for magicka but by this logic stamina doesn't
And Assault has a great speed buff/snare immunity skill for stamina but not for magicka.
And Assault has a great heal skill for stamina but not for magicka.
So I guess somehow you think that every skill line should have identical options for both magicka and stamina? Sorry, the game doesn't work like that, and it would be insanely boring if it did.
If you can't understand how to use Caltrops to increase your DPS, then MMOs are too complicated for you.Caltrops is better than Magicka Detonation in every respect except for burst damage, and you want to give it burst damage equal to Magicka Detonation. You want an easy auto-win button.He wants an easy auto-win button.Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »So what is the guys problem then ? Any one but thread owner answer please.
Easy win button no I just want stamina to have as many options as magicka does and the moves do as much damage as magicka ones do it's not fair some dont like caltraps doesn't
Razor caltrops does burst damage when you first throw it but it's only like 2k or so even if it was raised up to something like 10k it would be fine and then caltrops continue to proc like usually.
No it shouldn't.
Caltrops is not meant for burst damage. That's why the damage it does is fine. Caltrops is not supposed to be the equivalent to detonation. Both have their own, individual purpose. Seriously, it can't be that hard to understand.
All I understand is assault has a burst damage move for magicka but by this logic stamina doesn't
So? Why should it?
Cause it's a skill line that's suppose to benefit magicka and stamina players why does it only have a heal move vigor doesn't benefit stamina dps I just want straight dps moves on my bar if it is a skill line for pvpers it should benefit both players plus someone said caltrops was around 1st then magicka det is newer see zos added magicka det new cause they thought caltrops was good for stamina players so they decided the next move should be magicka thats fine and all but the stamina move isnt as good as the magicka one dps wise
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And Assault has a great DoT/snare skill for stamina but not for magicka.Caltrops is better than Magicka Detonation in every respect except for burst damage, and you want to give it burst damage equal to Magicka Detonation. You want an easy auto-win button.He wants an easy auto-win button.Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »So what is the guys problem then ? Any one but thread owner answer please.
Easy win button no I just want stamina to have as many options as magicka does and the moves do as much damage as magicka ones do it's not fair some dont like caltraps doesn't
Razor caltrops does burst damage when you first throw it but it's only like 2k or so even if it was raised up to something like 10k it would be fine and then caltrops continue to proc like usually.
No it shouldn't.
Caltrops is not meant for burst damage. That's why the damage it does is fine. Caltrops is not supposed to be the equivalent to detonation. Both have their own, individual purpose. Seriously, it can't be that hard to understand.
All I understand is assault has a burst damage move for magicka but by this logic stamina doesn't
And Assault has a great speed buff/snare immunity skill for stamina but not for magicka.
And Assault has a great heal skill for stamina but not for magicka.
So I guess somehow you think that every skill line should have identical options for both magicka and stamina? Sorry, the game doesn't work like that, and it would be insanely boring if it did.
Not really it would be a even playing field then
Screw it. I give up. I have better chances teaching my magickato fly than to explain/reason something with you.
If you can't understand how to use Caltrops to increase your DPS, then MMOs are too complicated for you.Caltrops is better than Magicka Detonation in every respect except for burst damage, and you want to give it burst damage equal to Magicka Detonation. You want an easy auto-win button.He wants an easy auto-win button.Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »So what is the guys problem then ? Any one but thread owner answer please.
Easy win button no I just want stamina to have as many options as magicka does and the moves do as much damage as magicka ones do it's not fair some dont like caltraps doesn't
Razor caltrops does burst damage when you first throw it but it's only like 2k or so even if it was raised up to something like 10k it would be fine and then caltrops continue to proc like usually.
No it shouldn't.
Caltrops is not meant for burst damage. That's why the damage it does is fine. Caltrops is not supposed to be the equivalent to detonation. Both have their own, individual purpose. Seriously, it can't be that hard to understand.
All I understand is assault has a burst damage move for magicka but by this logic stamina doesn't
So? Why should it?
Cause it's a skill line that's suppose to benefit magicka and stamina players why does it only have a heal move vigor doesn't benefit stamina dps I just want straight dps moves on my bar if it is a skill line for pvpers it should benefit both players plus someone said caltrops was around 1st then magicka det is newer see zos added magicka det new cause they thought caltrops was good for stamina players so they decided the next move should be magicka thats fine and all but the stamina move isnt as good as the magicka one dps wise
And your opinion shows that not only do you not understand this game in the slightest, but you're also not willing to learn from any of the countless people in this thread who do understand this game.Screw it. I give up. I have better chances teaching my magickato fly than to explain/reason something with you.
I understand what you are saying but I still see no reason for there to be more magicIf you can't understand how to use Caltrops to increase your DPS, then MMOs are too complicated for you.Caltrops is better than Magicka Detonation in every respect except for burst damage, and you want to give it burst damage equal to Magicka Detonation. You want an easy auto-win button.He wants an easy auto-win button.Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »So what is the guys problem then ? Any one but thread owner answer please.
Easy win button no I just want stamina to have as many options as magicka does and the moves do as much damage as magicka ones do it's not fair some dont like caltraps doesn't
Razor caltrops does burst damage when you first throw it but it's only like 2k or so even if it was raised up to something like 10k it would be fine and then caltrops continue to proc like usually.
No it shouldn't.
Caltrops is not meant for burst damage. That's why the damage it does is fine. Caltrops is not supposed to be the equivalent to detonation. Both have their own, individual purpose. Seriously, it can't be that hard to understand.
All I understand is assault has a burst damage move for magicka but by this logic stamina doesn't
So? Why should it?
Cause it's a skill line that's suppose to benefit magicka and stamina players why does it only have a heal move vigor doesn't benefit stamina dps I just want straight dps moves on my bar if it is a skill line for pvpers it should benefit both players plus someone said caltrops was around 1st then magicka det is newer see zos added magicka det new cause they thought caltrops was good for stamina players so they decided the next move should be magicka thats fine and all but the stamina move isnt as good as the magicka one dps wise
Understand what's there to understand caltrops it's self doesn't do as high of damage as magicka det does I know it's not intended to but I think it should be to be even with magicka users I know there are skills in assault that benefit stamina and not magicka but I don't care I don't use those anyways there needs to be a burst damage move in the assault line that supports stamina players that's just my opinion take it or leave it
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Caltrops is better than Magicka Detonation in every respect except for burst damage, and you want to give it burst damage equal to Magicka Detonation. You want an easy auto-win button.He wants an easy auto-win button.Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »So what is the guys problem then ? Any one but thread owner answer please.
Easy win button no I just want stamina to have as many options as magicka does and the moves do as much damage as magicka ones do it's not fair some dont like caltraps doesn't
Razor caltrops does burst damage when you first throw it but it's only like 2k or so even if it was raised up to something like 10k it would be fine and then caltrops continue to proc like usually.
Screw it. I give up. I have better chances teaching my magickato fly than to explain/reason something with you.
I understand what you are saying but I still see no reason for there to be more magicIf you can't understand how to use Caltrops to increase your DPS, then MMOs are too complicated for you.Caltrops is better than Magicka Detonation in every respect except for burst damage, and you want to give it burst damage equal to Magicka Detonation. You want an easy auto-win button.He wants an easy auto-win button.Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »So what is the guys problem then ? Any one but thread owner answer please.
Easy win button no I just want stamina to have as many options as magicka does and the moves do as much damage as magicka ones do it's not fair some dont like caltraps doesn't
Razor caltrops does burst damage when you first throw it but it's only like 2k or so even if it was raised up to something like 10k it would be fine and then caltrops continue to proc like usually.
No it shouldn't.
Caltrops is not meant for burst damage. That's why the damage it does is fine. Caltrops is not supposed to be the equivalent to detonation. Both have their own, individual purpose. Seriously, it can't be that hard to understand.
All I understand is assault has a burst damage move for magicka but by this logic stamina doesn't
So? Why should it?
Cause it's a skill line that's suppose to benefit magicka and stamina players why does it only have a heal move vigor doesn't benefit stamina dps I just want straight dps moves on my bar if it is a skill line for pvpers it should benefit both players plus someone said caltrops was around 1st then magicka det is newer see zos added magicka det new cause they thought caltrops was good for stamina players so they decided the next move should be magicka thats fine and all but the stamina move isnt as good as the magicka one dps wise
Understand what's there to understand caltrops it's self doesn't do as high of damage as magicka det does I know it's not intended to but I think it should be to be even with magicka users I know there are skills in assault that benefit stamina and not magicka but I don't care I don't use those anyways there needs to be a burst damage move in the assault line that supports stamina players that's just my opinion take it or leave it
Screw it. I give up. I have better chances teaching my magickato fly than to explain/reason something with you.
I understand what you are saying but I still see no reason for there to be more magicIf you can't understand how to use Caltrops to increase your DPS, then MMOs are too complicated for you.Caltrops is better than Magicka Detonation in every respect except for burst damage, and you want to give it burst damage equal to Magicka Detonation. You want an easy auto-win button.He wants an easy auto-win button.Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »So what is the guys problem then ? Any one but thread owner answer please.
Easy win button no I just want stamina to have as many options as magicka does and the moves do as much damage as magicka ones do it's not fair some dont like caltraps doesn't
Razor caltrops does burst damage when you first throw it but it's only like 2k or so even if it was raised up to something like 10k it would be fine and then caltrops continue to proc like usually.
No it shouldn't.
Caltrops is not meant for burst damage. That's why the damage it does is fine. Caltrops is not supposed to be the equivalent to detonation. Both have their own, individual purpose. Seriously, it can't be that hard to understand.
All I understand is assault has a burst damage move for magicka but by this logic stamina doesn't
So? Why should it?
Cause it's a skill line that's suppose to benefit magicka and stamina players why does it only have a heal move vigor doesn't benefit stamina dps I just want straight dps moves on my bar if it is a skill line for pvpers it should benefit both players plus someone said caltrops was around 1st then magicka det is newer see zos added magicka det new cause they thought caltrops was good for stamina players so they decided the next move should be magicka thats fine and all but the stamina move isnt as good as the magicka one dps wise
Understand what's there to understand caltrops it's self doesn't do as high of damage as magicka det does I know it's not intended to but I think it should be to be even with magicka users I know there are skills in assault that benefit stamina and not magicka but I don't care I don't use those anyways there needs to be a burst damage move in the assault line that supports stamina players that's just my opinion take it or leave it
He wants an easy auto-win button.Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »So what is the guys problem then ? Any one but thread owner answer please.
Easy win button no I just want stamina to have as many options as magicka does and the moves do as much damage as magicka ones do it's not fair some dont like caltraps doesn't
He wants an easy auto-win button.Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »So what is the guys problem then ? Any one but thread owner answer please.
Easy win button no I just want stamina to have as many options as magicka does and the moves do as much damage as magicka ones do it's not fair some dont like caltraps doesn't
There is, under weapon skill lines.
Wrecking blow, focused aim, steel tornado.
Destro staffs have NOTHING close to that.
Stamina users have vigor, a heal where no weapon has to be equipped. Magica users can't slot an inferno and lightning staff. They have to slot a resto staff for heals (apart from templars).
Stamina users have those going for them...
Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »He wants an easy auto-win button.Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »So what is the guys problem then ? Any one but thread owner answer please.
Easy win button no I just want stamina to have as many options as magicka does and the moves do as much damage as magicka ones do it's not fair some dont like caltraps doesn't
There is, under weapon skill lines.
Wrecking blow, focused aim, steel tornado.
Destro staffs have NOTHING close to that.
Stamina users have vigor, a heal where no weapon has to be equipped. Magica users can't slot an inferno and lightning staff. They have to slot a resto staff for heals (apart from templars).
Stamina users have those going for them...
Don't forget extremely powerful Fighters Guild skills such as Camo/Evil Hunter and Silver Shards. I would LOVE to run a hard hitting Evil Hunter on my magicka builds.
Why would you want a crappy mag detonation on stam when you can spam steal tornado 6 or 7 times in the same time ? Without much concern of: people getting away from all of it , you accidental reseting the timers ,the direct magicka damage reduction champion perks and annulment.
Stamina players SMH.
Because it's a damn good magic dump on a Stam/melter build if you have no other magica abilities.
Because it's great extra burst while in melee range.
Because it will bust a Zerg.
Because when you are getting triple teamed the red circle may relieve some pressure.
A perfect description of this thread right here.this is dumb
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If by "awesome" you mean "an incredibly OP easy win button" then yes, exactly.
My original post on here I just suggested the damage be increased by how many people was in them since it's a big aoe this would be awesome
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RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »If stamina gets another non class non ultimate burst damage than I want a magicka ground AOE damage skill that isn't *** like wall of elements, yeah it melts through enemies in a hundred years they will be half melted but we both will have to suffer. Just camo hunter and snipe people to death from stealth like every other stamina burst damage in PvP does then crit charge=dead if that fails WB and streak .
Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »Proxy det is way more practical than caltrops. Caltrops might be as good if it cost about 1/3 of the casting cost.
Yes and the damage it does per second is a joke the damage needs increased it does cause atm it hits light i literally see people just standing in them cause it does nothing hardly and this is suppose to benefit stamina builds ha idk how unless you just want an aoe that last for awhile you can throw down and get ap from i guess when there is a group of people going at it cause It's not very effective 1 vs 1
I refuse to read past the first few words as I cannot, and will not, kill brain cells trying to decipher your run-on mess.
Simply, Caltrops scales to weapon damage. Unless something in your build has changed, your w.dmg is extremely sub-optimal. Please keep in mind that the numbers you are seeing is not what the average player is seeing. If you fail to see the value of Caltrops as they are, then you will not find value in using the skill and really do not need to waste your time grinding for it since you have posted repeatedly how much you hate PvP and how broken it is for you. Tho, at am at a loss as to how you are even still playing the game since you posted you rage broke the game disc in half one of the times you failed to get a PvP win (or something along those lines).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNJY7T8uZWM my weapon damage is 3900 and caltrops still hits weak it needs a buff Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »Proxy det is way more practical than caltrops. Caltrops might be as good if it cost about 1/3 of the casting cost.
Yes and the damage it does per second is a joke the damage needs increased it does cause atm it hits light i literally see people just standing in them cause it does nothing hardly and this is suppose to benefit stamina builds ha idk how unless you just want an aoe that last for awhile you can throw down and get ap from i guess when there is a group of people going at it cause It's not very effective 1 vs 1
I refuse to read past the first few words as I cannot, and will not, kill brain cells trying to decipher your run-on mess.
Simply, Caltrops scales to weapon damage. Unless something in your build has changed, your w.dmg is extremely sub-optimal. Please keep in mind that the numbers you are seeing is not what the average player is seeing. If you fail to see the value of Caltrops as they are, then you will not find value in using the skill and really do not need to waste your time grinding for it since you have posted repeatedly how much you hate PvP and how broken it is for you. Tho, at am at a loss as to how you are even still playing the game since you posted you rage broke the game disc in half one of the times you failed to get a PvP win (or something along those lines).https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNJY7T8uZWM my weapon damage is 3900 and caltrops still hits weak it needs a buff

Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »Proxy det is way more practical than caltrops. Caltrops might be as good if it cost about 1/3 of the casting cost.
Yes and the damage it does per second is a joke the damage needs increased it does cause atm it hits light i literally see people just standing in them cause it does nothing hardly and this is suppose to benefit stamina builds ha idk how unless you just want an aoe that last for awhile you can throw down and get ap from i guess when there is a group of people going at it cause It's not very effective 1 vs 1
I refuse to read past the first few words as I cannot, and will not, kill brain cells trying to decipher your run-on mess.
Simply, Caltrops scales to weapon damage. Unless something in your build has changed, your w.dmg is extremely sub-optimal. Please keep in mind that the numbers you are seeing is not what the average player is seeing. If you fail to see the value of Caltrops as they are, then you will not find value in using the skill and really do not need to waste your time grinding for it since you have posted repeatedly how much you hate PvP and how broken it is for you. Tho, at am at a loss as to how you are even still playing the game since you posted you rage broke the game disc in half one of the times you failed to get a PvP win (or something along those lines).https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNJY7T8uZWM my weapon damage is 3900 and caltrops still hits weak it needs a buff
Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »Proxy det is way more practical than caltrops. Caltrops might be as good if it cost about 1/3 of the casting cost.
Yes and the damage it does per second is a joke the damage needs increased it does cause atm it hits light i literally see people just standing in them cause it does nothing hardly and this is suppose to benefit stamina builds ha idk how unless you just want an aoe that last for awhile you can throw down and get ap from i guess when there is a group of people going at it cause It's not very effective 1 vs 1
I refuse to read past the first few words as I cannot, and will not, kill brain cells trying to decipher your run-on mess.
Simply, Caltrops scales to weapon damage. Unless something in your build has changed, your w.dmg is extremely sub-optimal. Please keep in mind that the numbers you are seeing is not what the average player is seeing. If you fail to see the value of Caltrops as they are, then you will not find value in using the skill and really do not need to waste your time grinding for it since you have posted repeatedly how much you hate PvP and how broken it is for you. Tho, at am at a loss as to how you are even still playing the game since you posted you rage broke the game disc in half one of the times you failed to get a PvP win (or something along those lines).https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNJY7T8uZWM my weapon damage is 3900 and caltrops still hits weak it needs a buff
What lol caltrops still hits weak it needs a buff to be on up were magicka detnation is if not at least increase the damage it does by how many people are in them like magicka detnation gets