Ra'Shtar wrote: »

Sorry to burst your bubble but they said the second part of the justice system its not coming for a long time.

Sausage wrote: »

I dont get how Skyrim was sandbox, there was literally no sand in it, Skyrim was openworld game. Skyrim players love to explore openworld game, Ive suggested to Zen they should add exploration adventure zone to the game. Massive Zone with a mystic fog, so you cant see far, monsters move around so occasionally you pump into them, somewhere where you can really get lost, no map, no compass, nothing.

Lenikus wrote: »

If there is a 'pvp' inside the justice system. I'll do my damm best to murder every single low level i see who jsut started the game, and heck, even some vets who try to grind in cadwell silver or gold if i need to. I'll not rest until people beg in the forums for the removal of said system due to grief/abuse.

Rune_Relic wrote: »

justice system + traitor mechanic.
Then if enough players complain about someone being a faction traitor (with evidence) ZOS can give them a traitor tag.
Traitor tag = In game justice...friendly fire on all alts + main....compulsory justice opt in (until PvP campaign ends)

Ruben wrote: »

If any idea starts with "if enough people complain" it is a bad idea. Always.

vyrusb23 wrote: »

Messy1 wrote: »

WE BETTER HAVE FULLY FLUSHED OUT JUSTICE SYSTEM!

Yes, I keep harping on this point that the Justice System needs to be expanded to include what some of us were eager about enforcers, criminals, whatever, as long as it is a system that is fair and fun to play so that those who want to participate in it can and for those who could care less it would just be a distraction or something amusing to watch from time to time.

While ZOS is at it . . . allow player vs. player duels. What is the harm in it? If it's an elective system where both players have to agree then by all means go ahead. I am not talking about open world PvP (although I think that would be cool).

ESO is a good game . . . it will become a GREAT game when it gives more power to the players to interact with other players. I hate to say it, but ESO is very THEME PARK, but the problem is so many players got a taste of sandbox elements in SKYRIM that they expected a lot of the same things for ESO. Ugh, I could go on about this, but it has been said.

Not gonna happen.

Xantaria wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

that, and a Prison!
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/117602/prison-added-to-justice-system-good-day-sir/p1

in oblivion, when you broke out of the prison, it led to the sewers and then that leads to cryodiil. which then leads back to pve if you escape cryodiil.

would be correct for the punishment of stealing.

For how long would I be imprisoned with 77.000.000 bounty on my head?

Lenikus wrote: »

Dubhliam wrote: »

That being said, when engaged in combat, the law Enforcers should have significant advantage over Outlaws to prevent intentional combat.
After all, a thief that gets caught should never fight, but flee from the crime scene ASAP.

First 2 bold statements imply you don't really understand the mindset of people that would go into the pvp part of the justice system. Very few players are the pure 'righteous' type
The 3rd one simply gets rebuted with the "Mass Murderer" achievement playstyle. Not to mention there ARE players that are (in character) spies or agents of the other alliances.

The only 'advantage' an enforcer will have, is the possibility of runnin' towards a guard if the badguy turns out to be more than he can chew. and with that, i'd be cool with. I'm sure i could dps the enforcer down faster than he reaches a guard... unless it's a templar or sorc.. those can outheal/outrun whatever you throw at them.,,, they'd be gud outlaws.

Certain things should be implemented before putting some worthwhile items in the stealing pool:

The Enforcer system was announced long ago with the Justice system where players will get to choose the side of the law they are on. Therefore, it is just a matter of time when other players will be able to apprehend thieves with bounties on their heads. Not just the guards.

But this also brings up a long awaited issue of PvP duels. So far, the only players you can kill are those of other alliances. And up until lately, you could not interact with those people unless in Cyro in any other way. The new grouping tool made it possible to play with other alliance players, but only in dungeons, and that also did not go without a heavy bug report history.

Once they implement such a mechanic, it is just a matter of polishing it for the game to recognize who is killable by whom.

Thieves get better rewards for greater risk.
Enforcers can apprehend thieves with bounties for rewards.

Also, to get into detail about the Enforcer:

- gets a new skill line, just like legerdemain, with an active skill "Apprehend", which would just be a single target long range low cost skill castable on Outlaws with bounties that CCs them for 15 secs, and prompts them to pay their bounty (much like guards do).
- passives provide an advantage in fighting Outlaws like more resistance against their attacks, reducing their CC immunity time and increasing your stealth detection radius.

Also, bounties would need some overhaul:
-Disreputable – the lowest level. All guards will generally ignore you unless you approach them.
(the Outlaw gets an icon above his head, much like the Alliance icons in Cyrodill, can be Apprehended)
-Notorious – You’ll be chased down by the guards, who enlist other guards to assist in the pursuit.
(same as above, also his stealth radius is impaired, and all nearby Enforcers are notified there was a crime in #city name)
-Fugitive – The highest level. Guards will always try to kill you.
(same as above but can no longer be Apprehended and is attackable by Enforcers instead, also if detected by a guard or Enforcer his icon gets displayed on map for as long as he is out of stealth)

Then add set items that can be stolen of high quality. Remember that having 75 points in Shadow increases the quality of items found in chests - this makes it possible to steal legendary quality gear - nice way to farm sets or decon for temper mats.

Being a thief should be all high risk - high reward kind of playstyle.

Also, if you have not read this (old) : http://elderscrollsonline.info/justice-system

Oh yeah, one more thing: after implementing the Enforcer system, the guards should become killable. Hard to kill, but not immortal.
Attacking them would, ofc give you the fugitive status and you would be marked on the map so good luck with that

Also, to point out why the Enforcer passives should give advantages over Outlaws:
If the Outlaw vs Enforces battle was not heavily in favor of the law Enforcers, it would encourage Outlaw grouping and intentional fighting with the Enforcers.
This is NOT the kind of playstyle that should be encouraged in thieves.
Instead they should be playing solo - smart and stealthy. And ofc, if they get caught, their priority should be to disappear asap, not fight prolonged fights.