Wait, they also get heads???
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✭✭Why make this thread OP if you are not interested in any other opinions and are just going to insult people who disagree with you?PC/EU DC10 -
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✭✭✭✭✭The best pvp gear was purchasable by AP and soon that gear became the strongest minmaxed gear.
What's wrong with putting undaunted sets behind it too?
This is basically a token system many have asked for. don't expect it to be cheap either#MOREORBS3 -
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✭✭No way.
I am pretty much not stabbing myself in the eye with a fork over purchasable shoulders, but heads are No Way.
Please tell me we're not selling heads, too?
If so, every sympathy I had for pvp people is gone.
No. You go and kill the same boss 30+ times and then we talk about heads.
If they get to buy heads, I wtb alliance skills right now.
Don't even try and challenge me here. Unless you've run one delve 30+x you have no say.
As to your post,I agree with you.100%.0 -
Lenikus✭✭✭✭✭You guys do realise the items are going to be priced in GOLD, right?
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Tyr✭✭✭✭Wait, can we confirm/deny for certain if PvP folk are getting headpieces from the vendor? If it comes with a commensurate buff to the PvE drop rates then sure, why not, but if not then that's kind of bad. Unless of course you can buy the pieces with gold, then that's not so terrible. If they want to make it like PvE, though, then they'll need to only give a chance per month of them carrying a helm at all, it will be the same helm 6 months in a row, and it will all be Well-Fitted and curiously in the wrong armor type for your build.
Yeah. You can buy them for Gold too. You don't need AP.0 -
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✭This whole thing could be alleviated by a well balanced and thought out Token System.5 -
CavalierPrime✭✭✭✭I think my thread started the panic against this vendor. I wish I never said anything. Now you guys can QQ for 3 months and get ZoS to scrap the concept altogether.0
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killingspreeb16_ESO✭✭✭✭CavalierPrime wrote: »I think my thread started the panic against this vendor. I wish I never said anything. Now you guys can QQ for 3 months and get ZoS to scrap the concept altogether.
Why they should?this is finally one the best change to the game,people always complain just ignore them,as a PvPer i should not be forced to get the best gear for PvP from PvE,if those set where disabled in PvP i would not even care a bit about them0 -
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✭✭✭Shadesofkin wrote: »This whole thing could be alleviated by a well balanced and thought out Token System.
This is ESO . Let's be reasonable in our expectations.
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Xeniph✭✭✭✭✭Shadesofkin wrote: »This whole thing could be alleviated by a well balanced and thought out Token System.
This is ESO . Let's be reasonable in our expectations.
What issue? The sets will be random, with random traits, purchasable with AP OR gold and only sold 2 days a week.
If you don't feel like getting your monster set via pvp, spend gold or pve. Or if you prefer to not spend gold, do some pve or spend a bit of AP. This sounds like a brilliant solution for those of us that hate the pve this game offers.Here since Beta.
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✭DynastyIXII wrote: »Why complain? You can buy them with gold too. Please inform yourself.
If you mean me, I am perfectly aware it was gold too, I just utterly missed out that the heads were up too.
I don't want people to be able to buy or obtain them in ANY way other than through running the content.
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✭leepalmer95 wrote: »No way.
I am pretty much not stabbing myself in the eye with a fork over purchasable shoulders, but heads are No Way.
Please tell me we're not selling heads, too?
If so, every sympathy I had for pvp people is gone.
No. You go and kill the same boss 30+ times and then we talk about heads.
If they get to buy heads, I wtb alliance skills right now.
Don't even try and challenge me here. Unless you've run one delve 30+x you have no say.
They will sell heads aswell, so what? Is that a bad thing for you? Why do you even care, if you dont pvp? Are you saying its not fair because you cant get alliance war skills from PvE... but we cant lvl undaunted in PvP and you can buy all the PvP gear, can't you? It all depends on the price, but if its 1million AP (the price most of people agree on) then I can say it will still be a lot faster to get heads from PvE farming. For most of people 1 million AP is between 50 and 100 hours of pvp, for the best players its 20 hours and I'm not even counting the AP spent on sieges/other gear. On the other hand by dungeon farming you will most likely get a helm good trait/good type in 5-10 hours, even if youre bad at PvE (someone bad at PvP/AP farming will have to play 100 hours for one million AP). You can buy PvP gear for gold, we will be able to buy PvE gear for AP, you cant level PvP skill line in PvE, we cant level undaunted in PvP. All I see here, is a system finally fair and egoistic people crying about it.
well someone has never gone dungeon grinding i see 5-10 hours to get a helm xDDDDDDDDD
Well to be fair before the vet changes you could run darkshade in 15 mins with a good group.
Still can. We just did VCOA HM in 14 and VCOH in 13 yesterday.Member of the Old Guard - Closed Betas 20130 -
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✭They will sell heads aswell, so what? Is that a bad thing for you? Why do you even care, if you dont pvp? Are you saying its not fair because you cant get alliance war skills from PvE... but we cant lvl undaunted in PvP and you can buy all the PvP gear, can't you? It all depends on the price, but if its 1million AP (the price most of people agree on) then I can say it will still be a lot faster to get heads from PvE farming. For most of people 1 million AP is between 50 and 100 hours of pvp, for the best players its 20 hours and I'm not even counting the AP spent on sieges/other gear. On the other hand by dungeon farming you will most likely get a helm good trait/good type in 5-10 hours, even if youre bad at PvE (someone bad at PvP/AP farming will have to play 100 hours for one million AP). You can buy PvP gear for gold, we will be able to buy PvE gear for AP, you cant level PvP skill line in PvE, we cant level undaunted in PvP. All I see here, is a system finally fair and egoistic people crying about it.
Every time anyone says anything *you* don't like, you write a big long diatribe basically saying 'it's none of your business.'
Well it is my business. I care about what these choices mean for the future, and if you think getting a group to do jack now is a wait around game, then wait and see.
The shoulders I can ALMOST abide, but the heads - No.Edited by Islyn on December 22, 2015 9:58AMMember of the Old Guard - Closed Betas 20131 -
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That wasn't to you. That was to people think this is OK when everyone knows most people know (my bad) it isn't.
Regarding HEADS:
Except it isn't as there are three weights, so I say HEADS. And who cares?
Can we please care about the actual topic rather than seeing who's the biggest pedant? (and Thank you too re the rest but I hate how issues on this forum get watered down by irrelevant stuff like this.)Edited by Islyn on December 22, 2015 9:59AMMember of the Old Guard - Closed Betas 20130 -
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✭My suggestion from another thread:
Okay, so ZOS wants to make Undaunted Monster sets available to PvPers?
Notice how the prices are the same in both AP and gold. This is to give PvPers a slight advantage in currency.
These prices are just an example though, I have no idea how much AP per day a person gets in Cyrodill.
Maybe a better ratio would be 90,000 / 9,000 / 900. I don't know.
And another thread.Edited by Dubhliam on December 22, 2015 9:58AM1 -
Islyn✭✭✭✭✭
✭No way.
I am pretty much not stabbing myself in the eye with a fork over purchasable shoulders, but heads are No Way.
Please tell me we're not selling heads, too?
If so, every sympathy I had for pvp people is gone.
No. You go and kill the same boss 30+ times and then we talk about heads.
If they get to buy heads, I wtb alliance skills right now.
Don't even try and challenge me here. Unless you've run one delve 30+x you have no say.
How are skills and a piece of equipment even remotely the same.You can't compare the two things at all so your argument make no sense.
Except they are things PVPers want that take a LOT of time (potentially) and they're getting them.
These are things many of us have made 100s of runs to get - and many still do not have even so.
These are not standard gear and you know it so please don't act ignorant to try and make your point.
Alliance Skills take FOR EVER to level unless you leech AP constantly with a resto staff, and we still have to cope with it.
The THING doesn't matter - you should have to earn it same as us.Member of the Old Guard - Closed Betas 20131 -
Islyn✭✭✭✭✭
✭The best pvp gear was purchasable by AP and soon that gear became the strongest minmaxed gear.
What's wrong with putting undaunted sets behind it too?
This is basically a token system many have asked for. don't expect it to be cheap either
I don't agree with regard to the headpieces. Sorry. I mostly always agree with you. Just not on this.Member of the Old Guard - Closed Betas 20130 -
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Stop trying to stir [snip] with me, Alucardo. You know it doesn't work.
Also, nice challenge. Is that what you call a challenge?
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Except who wants that stuff?
I sure don't own any.
If you mean stuff like Morag Tong, please do not pretend like PVPers weren't GLAD to get rich on that for the whole 5 minutes it was a thing.
ZOS is not letting US sell them, no - only letting you buy from vendors.
So not the same thing.Edited by Islyn on December 22, 2015 2:20PMMember of the Old Guard - Closed Betas 20130 -
Flameheart✭✭✭✭✭No issues with buying helmets, but that reminds me to ask, what might be a good price for Caltrops and Magicka Detonation.
250k and 500k ? Just as a suggestion.Edited by Flameheart on December 22, 2015 10:00AMSometimes the prey turns and nips us... it's a small thing.
So let the snow flakes and unicorns dance alone until they melt or vanish from existence, we will finish up with those smart enough to stay in the glowing circle of love.
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✭Flameheart wrote: »No issues with buying helmets, but that reminds me to ask, what might be a good price for Caltrops and Magicka Detonation.
250k and 500k ? Just as a suggestion.
Sure yep!
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✭The issue is, once you have everything in game, there is no reason to play any more until new stuff comes out.
It is not that re-running the same dungeon over and over (and over) is a blast, because it isn't. It's funny when we make it funny, joking around on TS etc - but it's not fun.Member of the Old Guard - Closed Betas 20130 -
Anzriel✭✭✭✭RNG is a terrible system and a game should never be based around it. Just because you suffered miserably like a lot of us through RNG doesn't mean it should be forced on others.
Token system please.
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✭A game should have certain goals for players. Every player has gearing up as a goal.
If every goal was achievable easy and fast, then the population would drop in one month leaving only dedicated PvPers in Cyro fightinig each other day and night.
Up until now, Zos has done a good job of keeping people busy in the game by making gear "grindable".
Which makes me wonder who hit them in the head when they decided to make end game best sets sellable by a vendor.4 -
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Anyway, to keep on topic.. Have you seen the amount of PVPers currently wearing Undaunted sets? Yes, you have. This is because they've run them dungeons thousands of times and earned them. I barely see shadow in PVP any more because he's doing kena runs (Hope he drops it soon. Think the poor guy is nearly burnt out).No way.
I am pretty much not stabbing myself in the eye with a fork over purchasable shoulders, but heads are No Way.
Please tell me we're not selling heads, too?
If so, every sympathy I had for pvp people is gone.
No. You go and kill the same boss 30+ times and then we talk about heads.
If they get to buy heads, I wtb alliance skills right now.
So yeah, they've killed the same boss 30+ times, so that point is invalid.
And for crying out loud, stop saying "THEY also get heads". It's being sold for gold, so PVErs can buy them too without actually having to PVP at all, so WE all get it. You understand? This isn't a one sided thing.
I'm really tired of your constant mewling, hence my blunt responses.
Do I ultimately think it's a good idea? No. They should just make the monster drops BoE so PVErs can sell them to us and make a profit. But this is the hand we're played and we need to deal with it. I'm not even sure why you're bringing alliance war skills into it. You want our PVP sets? Go for it, but leave the skills out of it ffs, because they are not the same thing.7 -
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✭✭✭✭Stop cyring and making threads about this. You don't want a discussion because you are way too much convinced that you and only you are 100% right and everyone else is wrong. This is not what a forum is about. It's meant to have constructive discussions, not just simply shut down everyone with another opinion.
While I think a token system and an in-dungeon trading system would have been better, I'm still glad one of the many ridiculous grinds in this game will be gone, even if the solution is kinda special. And considering how AP-gear from the PvP-vendors was the most important thing for the minmax builds in PvE and still available for gold instead of forcing people to PvP, I don't even think this monster set vendor is an unfair solution. Most monster sets are garbage anyway for PvE, so who cares?
The sets will be available for gold, so there is no reason to cry for alliance war skills. That's another topic with other arguments, but definetely doesn't belong into a gear discussion.
And yes, I've done hundreds of pledges and way more than 30 runs of each dungeon (except prison), only to get failed 99% of the time by the freaking rng system. Simply frustrating.Edited by Wollust on December 22, 2015 10:51AMSusano'o
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✭People forgot about pvp gear already since its only v14 now.
And as i said in another thread, i bet there will be at least as much buys from pve people as from pvp one merchant go es live0 -
Murmeltier✭✭✭✭Hi,
i think it is a Little bit bad designed and not really fair.
See, as a PvPer i can buy my Undaunted Set in the Future and let my Set being crafted through a Guildmate or buy it for APs. You dont Need the undaunted passives really, they are a nice Bonus but they cost you something (- Bonus from Light/Medium/Heavy Armor) too.
If you really want the Undaunted Passive Line it cost you not so much Time, like the Skills Vigor and Prox Det or Caltdrops. So a PvPer can say that he only do PvP in the Future and ignore the undaunted Passives, so he can do what he likes to do. Or he do a Little bit PvE, to get the Undaunted Passives.
As a PvEer i have to do PvP to get the PvP Skills, which are to good in PvE to ignore them. See here the Difference, Undaunted Passives are nice to have, you can get them fast and PvP Skills are to good to ignore them but you Need more Time to get them.
So the Solution for me is, if we have Players who dont have Fun to do PvE / PvP, offer them (Skills & Passives or Equip) for Gold or AP, that is fair. So every Side can do what they want, no one is forced and all are happy...except the notorious "No Sayers & Haters".
Zos, dont force the Players to do something what they dont want to do, to get some important Skills & Passives or Equip. It is possible to offer a Solution through AP & Gold or Tokens.
Edit: I have no Problem that a PvPer can buy his Undaunted Set in the Future, a Set which i worked for through running over 200 Times into the same Dungeon, for the perfect Traits. So a PvPer shouldnt have a Problem if all can buy the Undaunted or PvP Skill-Lines, for Gold & AP.Edited by Murmeltier on December 22, 2015 11:41AM2 -
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✭only problem i would have with this system if the prices in AP would be the same as in gold. AP grinding goes ALOT faster2
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