Wait, they also get heads???

Kelces

Ah, yes... Sometimes there comes a time, where players (both PvE and PvP), come together (finally) agreeing that there is more than "skill" they are supposed to have, once a new vendor just gets announced.

It is not really different than having a new content including higher level cap, would you complain there aswell, that your efforts are for "nothing", because there are for instance better random drops all of a sudden than gold BOP before? That's how it works, sad I admit, but true. Live with it...

Funny when peoples egos are shattered by reality. Where is your skill now?
Just take it easy. Don't worry, that new stuff eventually will also get "worthless"...

Ra'Shtar

Selling them for gold is in no way acceptable, PvP players have easy access to gold not just PvE players you don't have to do either PvE or PvP to know how to make gold. Adding a new currency obtainable via dungeons and trials would be the ONLY correct answer to this.

TequilaFire

Islyn wrote: »

No way.

Alliance Skills take FOR EVER to level unless you leech AP constantly with a resto staff, and we still have to cope with it.

Oh I see being a healer and keeping your teammates alive is now called leeching.

Jura23

It's not like the vendor is only for PvP people. He will sell heads for gold too.

Ra'Shtar

Jura23 wrote: »

It's not like the vendor is only for PvP people. He will sell heads for gold too.

Are you implying that PvP people only have 100 gold on their banks?

Dualrifle

I think, to make it fair, they should sell boxes where the Helmet / Shoulder has a randomly generated traits and armor class (H/M/L) so at least PVPer will face some RNG hoops instead of totally bypassing what PVEer need to do. (multiple Dun Run)


Then to make those who are bad at RNG they should make the trait changeable with quest, and to make it fair, the item to change the quest should be obtained from both PVE and PVP vendor. For example Item A should drop from Dungeon boss or maybe found in pledge chest, whereby Item B should be purchasable with AP from PVP vendor. That way, at least both parties have something to look at.

just my 2 cent...

Alucardo

TequilaFire wrote: »

Oh I see being a healer and keeping your teammates alive is now called leeching.

"Leech" off me all you like. I prefer it to the alternative, which is dying

Alucardo

Ra'Shtar wrote: »

Are you implying that PvP people only have 100 gold on their banks?

He means PVE people can buy it for gold without having to PVP. Why is that so hard to understand?

Ra'Shtar

Alucardo wrote: »

Ra'Shtar wrote: »

Are you implying that PvP people only have 100 gold on their banks?

He means PVE people can buy it for gold without having to PVP. Why is that so hard to understand?

Its simple because PvP players have a TON of gold too making this sets even more accessible because they can buy one helmet with AP and another with gold, gold is an universal currency that every player has access to selling them this for gold is just giving them more than 1 way to buy them its really obvious.

Alucardo

Ra'Shtar wrote: »

Its simple because PvP players have a TON of gold too making this sets even more accessible because they can buy one helmet with AP and another with gold, gold is an universal currency that every player has access to selling them this for gold is just giving them more than 1 way to buy them its really obvious.

Lol, do they? I wish I had of known that because I'm usually sitting on around 1-5k gold. The only gold I make is by selling the rewards I earn to merchants. The traits are so poor I can barely sell it to players.
I'm sure some PVPers have a lot of gold, but they are most likely the ones who do a little PVE on the side.

Ra'Shtar

Weird because i made millions on IC

Armitas

Hey, were all just trying to get ahead here.

Alucardo

Ra'Shtar wrote: »

Weird because i made millions on IC

That's great (really). I probably could have by now, but I spend all my TVs on mats. Perhaps once I've got everything I need I can start selling the stuff from there.

Xantaria

Islyn wrote: »

No way.

I am pretty much not stabbing myself in the eye with a fork over purchasable shoulders, but heads are No Way.

Please tell me we're not selling heads, too?

If so, every sympathy I had for pvp people is gone.

No. You go and kill the same boss 30+ times and then we talk about heads.

If they get to buy heads, I wtb alliance skills right now.

Don't even try and challenge me here. Unless you've run one delve 30+x you have no say.

I'm a PvE player and haven't found my desired Undaunted Headpieces in Hundreds of runs. I WANT this trader! It's not only PvPers who want it!

Islyn

Cadelay wrote: »

RNG is a terrible system and a game should never be based around it. Just because you suffered miserably like a lot of us through RNG doesn't mean it should be forced on others.

Token system please.

Agree with you in THEORY, but I really dislike the words 'suffer' and 'force' in context of talking about a game.

You do not NEED anything in a GAME, it is a want and not a need, so no one is FORCING anyone to SUFFER anything.

Please can we discuss an issue without making everyone into some kind of victim?

Alucardo

Xantaria wrote: »

I'm a PvE player and haven't found my desired Undaunted Headpieces in Hundreds of runs. I WANT this trader! It's not only PvPers who want it!

I don't believe.. finally someone who gets it!

Islyn

TequilaFire wrote: »

Islyn wrote: »

No way.

Alliance Skills take FOR EVER to level unless you leech AP constantly with a resto staff, and we still have to cope with it.

Oh I see being a healer and keeping your teammates alive is now called leeching.

Yeah shooting all and sundry with a resto staff IS LEECHING so just handle it. Also, make your own post. Different issue.

Islyn

Xantaria wrote: »

Islyn wrote: »

No way.

I am pretty much not stabbing myself in the eye with a fork over purchasable shoulders, but heads are No Way.

Please tell me we're not selling heads, too?

If so, every sympathy I had for pvp people is gone.

No. You go and kill the same boss 30+ times and then we talk about heads.

If they get to buy heads, I wtb alliance skills right now.

Don't even try and challenge me here. Unless you've run one delve 30+x you have no say.

I'm a PvE player and haven't found my desired Undaunted Headpieces in Hundreds of runs. I WANT this trader! It's not only PvPers who want it!

And what will you do after you've bought it?

VMA till you can buy those?

What about after that?

Islyn

Alucardo wrote: »

Ra'Shtar wrote: »

Weird because i made millions on IC

That's great (really). I probably could have by now, but I spend all my TVs on mats. Perhaps once I've got everything I need I can start selling the stuff from there.

You are better off buying Runes with TV and selling, and then buying mats with gold.

Ra'Shtar

I'm not against the helm trader i just think gold is not appropriate for this some new currency from dungeons would be better by far.

Heindrich

Omg the selfishness in this thread is real.

... And sad for this time of year.

I dunno why people can't just see this as a good move to:
1) Reduce rng for everyone. I've done 21 fekking vWGT runs, not a single Molag Kena mask, not even bad trait. The game desperately needed something like this.

2) Reduce need for pure PvP'ers to PvE to get what they want.

3) Help PvP'ers make some gold. Because contrary to what some of you think, PvP'ers are not rolling in gold. Competitive PvP requires expensive potions and most of the pure PvP'ers I know are constantly broke.

I am not saying pure PvE'ers don't need some help. They absolutely do. Elite PvE'ers used to be way richer than PvP'ers thanks to being able to run vDSA much more efficiently than anyone else and getting tonnes of BoE endgame loot and super-premium vDSA weekly jewellery. All the BoP crap since Imp City and (especially) Orsinium has wrecked their income.

But PLEASE stop with the selfish "If I can't get my toys, nobody else should get theirs!!!" It's immature and pathetic.

Fyi I am not even a pure/hardcore PvP'er. I'd like to think I am but objectively, I am 50% trader, 25% PvE'er and 25% PvP'er.

BalticBlues

Even after MONTHS of dungeon grinding,
I did not get any of the useful monster sets.

I now wish I had done PVP instead because:
In PVP you get useful endgame skills and AP with success.
In PVE you get gold keys giving you mostly trash.

If PVP people will be able to buy PvE monster helmets with APs,
PVE people should be able to unlock PvP skills with gold keys.

Islyn

BalticBlues wrote: »

Even after MONTHS of dungeon grinding,
I did not get any of the useful monster sets.

I now wish I had done PVP instead because:
In PVP you get useful endgame skills and AP with success.
In PVE you get gold keys giving you mostly trash.

If PVP people will be able to buy PvE monster helmets with APs,
PVE people should be able to unlock PvP skills with gold keys.

That would be fairer...

I have had (I have deconned some just because I really would never use them) ALL of the sets, but that is because I spent many many hours doing the dungeons.

Same as how someone spends those same hours getting Barrier, Caltrops, Proxy Det.

I'd wager all told the heads even take LONGER than the Alliance Skills, especially for correct weight and trait.

Ra'Shtar

Guys don't get too emotional or ZoS will close the thread under the flaming rules.

Alucardo

Ra'Shtar wrote: »

Guys don't get too emotional or ZoS will close the thread under the flaming rules.

What do you think I'm trying to do?

Sallington

Islyn wrote: »

Cadelay wrote: »

RNG is a terrible system and a game should never be based around it. Just because you suffered miserably like a lot of us through RNG doesn't mean it should be forced on others.

Token system please.

Agree with you in THEORY, but I really dislike the words 'suffer' and 'force' in context of talking about a game.

You do not NEED anything in a GAME, it is a want and not a need, so no one is FORCING anyone to SUFFER anything.

Please can we discuss an issue without making everyone into some kind of victim?

Super ironic coming from a guy whose OP makes him sound like a whiny victim.

You're problem is with the devs and their terrible excuse for an RNG loot system, not with them actually making AP useful.

Islyn

Sallington wrote: »

Islyn wrote: »

Cadelay wrote: »

RNG is a terrible system and a game should never be based around it. Just because you suffered miserably like a lot of us through RNG doesn't mean it should be forced on others.

Token system please.

Agree with you in THEORY, but I really dislike the words 'suffer' and 'force' in context of talking about a game.

You do not NEED anything in a GAME, it is a want and not a need, so no one is FORCING anyone to SUFFER anything.

Please can we discuss an issue without making everyone into some kind of victim?

Super ironic coming from a guy whose OP makes him sound like a whiny victim.

You're problem is with the devs and their terrible excuse for an RNG loot system, not with them actually making AP useful.

Girl and yeah my post is totally VICTIM-y.

lol.

Wahhhh booo hoooo I have ALL the parts people want to buy their way into now and I'm a whiiiinerrr.

Seriously.

Sallington

Islyn wrote: »

Sallington wrote: »

Islyn wrote: »

Cadelay wrote: »

RNG is a terrible system and a game should never be based around it. Just because you suffered miserably like a lot of us through RNG doesn't mean it should be forced on others.

Token system please.

Agree with you in THEORY, but I really dislike the words 'suffer' and 'force' in context of talking about a game.

You do not NEED anything in a GAME, it is a want and not a need, so no one is FORCING anyone to SUFFER anything.

Please can we discuss an issue without making everyone into some kind of victim?

Super ironic coming from a guy whose OP makes him sound like a whiny victim.

You're problem is with the devs and their terrible excuse for an RNG loot system, not with them actually making AP useful.

Girl and yeah my post is totally VICTIM-y.

lol.

Wahhhh booo hoooo I have ALL the parts people want to buy their way into now and I'm a whiiiinerrr.

Seriously.

What?

tazdevil9359

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Artjuh90 wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

Islyn wrote: »

No way.



well someone has never gone dungeon grinding i see 5-10 hours to get a helm xDDDDDDDDD

Well to be fair before the vet changes you could run darkshade in 15 mins with a good group.

Try running WGT in 15 minutes with a group of randoms

haha WGT with randoms in 15 mins is a joke let alone at all. if you have done it with randoms you are lucky lol

Septimus_Magna

Average players will get around 50k AP per day in pvp, a good part of this AP is needed to buy siege, repair kits etc.

Assuming a monster helmet/shoulder piece cost will cost at least 1m AP, that translates to 20 days of constant pvp without buying siege, repair kits etc.

Running a dungeon like CoH for 30 times (I farmed CoH until I got the medium infused head so I know what Im talking about) will only take 4-7 days for average players.

Anyone that thinks that this system heavily favors pvp players is misjudging the amount of AP gained during an average day of pvp.

On top of that, each week there will be a random monster set for sale. It might take a couple months before the pvp players can actually monster helmet/shoulder that they want.