I tried abit more, when I cancel reflective light animation with a bash and then use the charge, I never get locked out. But when I execute both skills right after each other it happens pretty often. Anyways, we can only assume what causes it, might all be random.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

We know it's frustrating to have to wait until the update rather than getting this into an incremental patch, we hear you. Unfortunately, the fix for this ability is reliant on some other larger systems getting fixed or improved, and this can't happen until the Thieves Guild DLC.

Thank you Gina for the information and the transparency. I believe that is what many of us are asking for. Most will understand why a fix takes more time as long as the information and transparency is there.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

We know it's frustrating to have to wait until the update rather than getting this into an incremental patch, we hear you. Unfortunately, the fix for this ability is reliant on some other larger systems getting fixed or improved, and this can't happen until the Thieves Guild DLC.

I don't mind waiting, as long as its been acknowledged and going to be fixed. It will most definitely be the one thing that'll have me most excited for the next DLC

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

We know it's frustrating to have to wait until the update rather than getting this into an incremental patch, we hear you. Unfortunately, the fix for this ability is reliant on some other larger systems getting fixed or improved, and this can't happen until the Thieves Guild DLC.

Thanks for the acknowledgement. I hate to read into "fixed or improved," but are Templars getting a bit of extra attention aside from fixing bugs?

Gina added feedback in this thread: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/234362/templar-issues-thread/p1

Including hints on what's coming.

"ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »
Hey guys! We’d like to give you an update on some of the abilities called out in this thread as potentially broken or not appearing to work as intended. Note that this list is not all encompassing, and also keep in mind that many class abilities will be tweaked and re-balanced in the next major update.

Biting Jabs – No 140% bonus on shields
If you are fighting a single target, the 140% damage is calculated against that enemy at once. If attacking a shield, the shield does not have mitigation, whereas a player character does. This may be causing some confusion, but in our testing, we found that every hit of this ability was doing the appropriate amount of damage.
Burning Light – The proc chance appears to be lower than 25%
There’s currently a half-second cooldown on this ability so when using a fast attack, such as Puncturing Strikes, it will not proc twice in a row. Also note that we’ve balanced the DPS of these abilities with this in mind.
Dark Flare – Initial cast has a delay compared to subsequent casts
Subsequent casts can appear to be slightly faster if animation cancelling is used. If there are other issues that don’t appear to be tied to this, please let us know.
Eclipse – Ability occasionally doesn’t function, and single target skills (like Crystal Frags) can occasionally get through
There are some improvements being made to reflects, and specifically with Eclipse in the next update, so this should be addressed at that time.
Enduring Rays – This passive appears to be lowering the DPS of other Templar Skills, such as Backlash
This is actually currently working as designed, though we do agree that this makes taking Enduring Rays somewhat of a nerf to Backlash because it will take longer to explode. We have considered making this passive not affect Backlash, and have a slight redesigned planned to Backlash specifically for the next update.
Master Ritualist – Soul Gem is not always received
There is only a 50% chance of receiving a Soul Gem, so unless there is additional information, this should be working as intended.
Puncturing Sweep – This ability doesn’t break stealth or cloak
This is tied to a larger issue where stealth is causing the target to dodge some abilities, including this one. This should be addressed in the next update.
Radiant Destruction
You don’t always get the execute bonus
This will be addressed in the next major update.
Ability effects will occasionally get stuck to corpses
This is bugged internally, and we’ll work on getting it fixed.
There appears to be inconsistent damage
The total damage listed in the tooltip does not currently match the total damage output; this will be fixed in the next major update.
Toppling/Focused Charge – Global cooldown appears to be broken
This should be fixed in the next major update.


As mentioned earlier, there are many tweaks being made to both active and passive abilities in the Thieves Guild DLC including Healing Ritual, Eclipse, Sun Shield, Vampire’s Bane, Radiant Aura, Restoring Focus, and Breath of Life to name a few. While we aren’t quite ready to talk about all the changes and details, we did pass along all your feedback in this thread (among others) and we look forward to seeing what you think once this is available to test on the PTS."

AfkNinja wrote: »

Gina added feedback in this thread: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/234362/templar-issues-thread/p1

Including hints on what's coming.

"ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »
Hey guys! We’d like to give you an update on some of the abilities called out in this thread as potentially broken or not appearing to work as intended. Note that this list is not all encompassing, and also keep in mind that many class abilities will be tweaked and re-balanced in the next major update.

Biting Jabs – No 140% bonus on shields
If you are fighting a single target, the 140% damage is calculated against that enemy at once. If attacking a shield, the shield does not have mitigation, whereas a player character does. This may be causing some confusion, but in our testing, we found that every hit of this ability was doing the appropriate amount of damage.
Burning Light – The proc chance appears to be lower than 25%
There’s currently a half-second cooldown on this ability so when using a fast attack, such as Puncturing Strikes, it will not proc twice in a row. Also note that we’ve balanced the DPS of these abilities with this in mind.
Dark Flare – Initial cast has a delay compared to subsequent casts
Subsequent casts can appear to be slightly faster if animation cancelling is used. If there are other issues that don’t appear to be tied to this, please let us know.
Eclipse – Ability occasionally doesn’t function, and single target skills (like Crystal Frags) can occasionally get through
There are some improvements being made to reflects, and specifically with Eclipse in the next update, so this should be addressed at that time.
Enduring Rays – This passive appears to be lowering the DPS of other Templar Skills, such as Backlash
This is actually currently working as designed, though we do agree that this makes taking Enduring Rays somewhat of a nerf to Backlash because it will take longer to explode. We have considered making this passive not affect Backlash, and have a slight redesigned planned to Backlash specifically for the next update.
Master Ritualist – Soul Gem is not always received
There is only a 50% chance of receiving a Soul Gem, so unless there is additional information, this should be working as intended.
Puncturing Sweep – This ability doesn’t break stealth or cloak
This is tied to a larger issue where stealth is causing the target to dodge some abilities, including this one. This should be addressed in the next update.
Radiant Destruction
You don’t always get the execute bonus
This will be addressed in the next major update.
Ability effects will occasionally get stuck to corpses
This is bugged internally, and we’ll work on getting it fixed.
There appears to be inconsistent damage
The total damage listed in the tooltip does not currently match the total damage output; this will be fixed in the next major update.
Toppling/Focused Charge – Global cooldown appears to be broken
This should be fixed in the next major update.


As mentioned earlier, there are many tweaks being made to both active and passive abilities in the Thieves Guild DLC including Healing Ritual, Eclipse, Sun Shield, Vampire’s Bane, Radiant Aura, Restoring Focus, and Breath of Life to name a few. While we aren’t quite ready to talk about all the changes and details, we did pass along all your feedback in this thread (among others) and we look forward to seeing what you think once this is available to test on the PTS."

This is really great news! Thank you to @ZOS_GinaBruno for keeping us updated!

MormondPayne_EP wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Sorry for the delay, guys! We have a fix going into the Thieves Guild DLC for Toppling Charge so you won't become locked after using this ability.

That's it... you guys are off you rocker.

A BUG FIX that has been around for the majority of ESO's life is not getting fixed in a patch or a hotfix BUT WITH THE NEXT DLC!!!!!

I want to swear so bad right now.

Read this.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

We know it's frustrating to have to wait until the update rather than getting this into an incremental patch, we hear you. Unfortunately, the fix for this ability is reliant on some other larger systems getting fixed or improved, and this can't happen until the Thieves Guild DLC.

Now calm yo self.

You haven't done that already?

Managed to record the 2nd bug where the ability bar locks up. Sorry about it not being a cleaner example, I'm in the middle of a zerg with a bunch of stuff going on, but after the 2nd toppling charge you'll see me run at a couple guys and not do anything. Watch my bar, I'm mashing every single button on there, including trying to weapon swap. It eventually un-sticks itself, but 90% of the time I'd be dead already.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rr9-kxdf400&feature=youtu.be

I have used Toppling Charge when I am on my Templar and have not had it create this type of issue... is it possible it may be the addons people are using? I do have some delay issues with the charge, but that is every charge.... even the 2h chrage cause some short delay issue when first used (this needs to have the animations tightened up).

I use LUI for my health bars and I do not use an addon that changes my action bar. Possibly AUI or another addon that changes the action bar is to blame for this lockup?

zornyan wrote: »

Honestly for the time being, my templar is just being used as a healer for daily pledges, my new magblade is 100000x easier to play, quite literially everything feels like it's taken a notch down.

Get this guys, you won't belive this, all the freaking skills work, and and all the passives work really really well together !

Magiplar missing out on the usefulness of balanced warrior? Pfft magblades get base hp and mag bonuses.

The better part is in exactly the same gear as my templar, my magblade has 200 more mag regen and 50 of the others more, the same max magicka, and a ton more health.

My magblade is imperial. My templar breton, so even with a non magicka race I get the same max magicka, and more regen, and more hp and stam.

Pretty much my feeling. when i do bother to play ESO I've been leveling a mageblade. I'm still like level 10 or so but the skills work so well together at this level I can only imagine life at v16. Its like winning the lotto. Its like someone actually designed the class, rather then coming up with a bunch of skills. They have more duplicate buffs then Templar has buffs.

Still isn't the same for me though. I love the Templar class. It fits me like a latex glove, but it also performs like on the battle field.

zornyan wrote: »

Seriously all they have to do is rework soft caps, make them a way to limit everyone's power, we won't have sorcs running 56k dps, we won't have 30k bol, we won't have 65 (I think without emp) tanks, and we won't have insta gib nb's


They need to simply sit down, get a few template builds and adjust soft caps so that literially every build has a limitation, and stacking magicka/stamina etc isn't the best way to play the game.

Essiaga wrote: »

zornyan wrote: »

Honestly for the time being, my templar is just being used as a healer for daily pledges, my new magblade is 100000x easier to play, quite literially everything feels like it's taken a notch down.

Get this guys, you won't belive this, all the freaking skills work, and and all the passives work really really well together !

Magiplar missing out on the usefulness of balanced warrior? Pfft magblades get base hp and mag bonuses.

The better part is in exactly the same gear as my templar, my magblade has 200 more mag regen and 50 of the others more, the same max magicka, and a ton more health.

My magblade is imperial. My templar breton, so even with a non magicka race I get the same max magicka, and more regen, and more hp and stam.

Pretty much my feeling. when i do bother to play ESO I've been leveling a mageblade. I'm still like level 10 or so but the skills work so well together at this level I can only imagine life at v16. Its like winning the lotto. Its like someone actually designed the class, rather then coming up with a bunch of skills. They have more duplicate buffs then Templar has buffs.

Still isn't the same for me though. I love the Templar class. It fits me like a latex glove, but it also performs like on the battle field.

Honestly it's the same for me, templar is my identity, whenever I play any mmo/medieval type game I play a paladin, wearing heavy armor,a sword and shield, with magical powers to supplement myself and others.

This is exactly what a templar is, but it's sooooo so so poorly atm, it's just made me depressed being a healbot.

Like I said magblade is a well put together class, you can honestly see how just about all the skills work so well together, and complement each other.

My templar I struggle to chose what skill is actually worthwhile using, and what works, my magblade I simply can't chose as they all work so damm well

I agree, I've been playing my magblade more and more just because of the fact of how well all the passives and abilities work. Templars are almost there, but need some tweaks here and there.