Toppling Charge - Bug

rokrdt05

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_BrianWheeler @ZOS_RichLambert

Anyway you could have the team look at and fix this skill?

It's very disheartening to have a skill that will completely lock your bar up and not allow you to cast any other abilities, roll dodge, or block. The only fix I've found that has worked is to use a potion that will unlock my bars, but what happens when you don't have a potion available?

I've ran into the arena so many times and will be on a good pace with no deaths, only to have this skill lock my bars up, have no potion available, and ultimately die because I could not defend myself or go on the offense.

I know other players will simply say, use another gap closer, such as shield assault... however that is simply absurd considering what toppling charge provides to a Templars toolkit. It's our gap closer, provides cc/interrupt, procs our Burning Light passive, and does decent damage. There should be no reason we should be afraid to use this skill.

@blabafat @Nifty2g , I know you guys have experienced issues with this ability.

blabafat

While we're at it can we remove the delay? It's absolutely ridiculous.

ZoS refuses to fix things that have been bugged for over a year. I made a forum post about Radiant destruction being dodgeable; I also saw a console forum post about radiant being dodgeable. However, no acknowledgement from ZoS on whether it's intended or not.


The same thing happens with this ability. And actually, as of this patch, sometimes I cannot cast Toppling but I can cast my other abilities. When the bug is occurring, if I try to toppling charge, my character does the animaiton for a split second, but the skill doesn't happen.

It has a delay after casting it, sometimes you can't cast it, and sometimes after casting it you can't use ANY abilities

TheBull

+1 for my friend who had said "I'm not doing arena any more until they fix it".

Nifty2g

Lol I used it in cyrodill and the skill wouldn't even work, not sure what has since changed from the newest update with it but it doesn't work when enemies are higher than you, something to do with the XY axis i assume

Nifty2g

blabafat wrote: »

While we're at it can we remove the delay? It's absolutely ridiculous.

ZoS refuses to fix things that have been bugged for over a year. I made a forum post about Radiant destruction being dodgeable; I also saw a console forum post about radiant being dodgeable. However, no acknowledgement from ZoS on whether it's intended or not.


The same thing happens with this ability. And actually, as of this patch, sometimes I cannot cast Toppling but I can cast my other abilities. When the bug is occurring, if I try to toppling charge, my character does the animaiton for a split second, but the skill doesn't happen.

It has a delay after casting it, sometimes you can't cast it, and sometimes after casting it you can't use ANY abilities

This is a massive problem in VMA on the last boss. It's almost useless to run this skill.

While we're at the lack of Templar skills and how many nerfs they've had, can we maybe fix Channeled Focus, there was no reason to have this changed at all. ESO's combat system does not support standing still, no situation where that is possible, almost making this skill useless from what it is. And it's an amazing skill. @blabafat I'm sure you're sad about this too

Brrrofski

It needs to be fixed asap.

It can't play my templar in pvp because of it. I dual weild instead of staff so lack real range. Without this I'm just a sitting duck in a dress with two swords and get rinsed before I get to my enemy.

I just decked my temp out in legendary 16 gear this weekend, now can't play her in pvp because of this

rokrdt05

It's true @Nifty2g , there were changes made that didn't need to be changed... or there are things that should be changed.

My issue is, right now this skill is negatively impacting game play for Templars in and out of Cyro and should be addressed. Refreshing Path was fixed the very next day, so it tells me things can move quickly. As @blabafat pointed out, this skill has been broken since launch. This is unacceptable. A fix should be implemented and very soon.

Springt-Über-Zwerge

Nifty2g wrote: »

Lol I used it in cyrodill and the skill wouldn't even work, not sure what has since changed from the newest update with it but it doesn't work when enemies are higher than you, something to do with the XY axis i assume

hm I never had that bug with the charge but it does lock my bar from time to time though.

but lets not forget the no execute damage bug from radiant ...

mr_wazzabi

Why don't they redisign the skill to fly like dragon leap?

Cryhavoc

I agree!

I have to use Shield assault, not ideal.

Jura23

blabafat wrote: »

While we're at it can we remove the delay? It's absolutely ridiculous.

ZoS refuses to fix things that have been bugged for over a year. I made a forum post about Radiant destruction being dodgeable; I also saw a console forum post about radiant being dodgeable. However, no acknowledgement from ZoS on whether it's intended or not.


The same thing happens with this ability. And actually, as of this patch, sometimes I cannot cast Toppling but I can cast my other abilities. When the bug is occurring, if I try to toppling charge, my character does the animaiton for a split second, but the skill doesn't happen.

It has a delay after casting it, sometimes you can't cast it, and sometimes after casting it you can't use ANY abilities

I think this has something to do with the place enemy is standing. Mostly it happened to me when I was trying to charge enemy standing higher or lower than myself (but no obstacle in the way). That was before I removed the skill from my bar.

Brrrofski

Jura23 wrote: »

blabafat wrote: »

While we're at it can we remove the delay? It's absolutely ridiculous.

ZoS refuses to fix things that have been bugged for over a year. I made a forum post about Radiant destruction being dodgeable; I also saw a console forum post about radiant being dodgeable. However, no acknowledgement from ZoS on whether it's intended or not.


The same thing happens with this ability. And actually, as of this patch, sometimes I cannot cast Toppling but I can cast my other abilities. When the bug is occurring, if I try to toppling charge, my character does the animaiton for a split second, but the skill doesn't happen.

It has a delay after casting it, sometimes you can't cast it, and sometimes after casting it you can't use ANY abilities

I think this has something to do with the place enemy is standing. Mostly it happened to me when I was trying to charge enemy standing higher or lower than myself (but no obstacle in the way). That was before I removed the skill from my bar.

It used to be. Since Orsinium, it does it pretty much all the time for me. Enemy 5 metres away, flat surface, not line of sighting. Still does it. It's totally broken.

rokrdt05

mr_wazzabi wrote: »

Why don't they redisign the skill to fly like dragon leap?

That or they could make it more similar to bolt escape, something to where it at least doesn't break or have silly delays.

rokrdt05

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_BrianWheeler @ZOS_RichLambert

Anything you guys can contribute about the skill in it's current state?

Brrrofski

rokrdt05 wrote: »

mr_wazzabi wrote: »

Why don't they redisign the skill to fly like dragon leap?

That or they could make it more similar to bolt escape, something to where it at least doesn't break or have silly delays.

I just want it to work lol. Not fussed about the animation.

prootch

toppling charge won't even work anymore atm, sometimes due to lag, most of the time due to basic malfunction each time there is a difference of altitude between you and your target;

blabafat

Is there someway of getting a refund for the countless potions and food consumables I have used in order to get out of the Toppling Charge bug?

Think I'd have 200K at least.

cazlonb16_ESO

Brrrofski wrote: »

It needs to be fixed asap.

It can't play my templar in pvp because of it. I dual weild instead of staff so lack real range. Without this I'm just a sitting duck in a dress with two swords and get rinsed before I get to my enemy.

I just decked my temp out in legendary 16 gear this weekend, now can't play her in pvp because of this

Didn't you get the memo, healbot or gtfo.

Cinbri

Just remove this "ability" and add trinimac knights solar attack or any sort of escape.

Asmael

I was like "I should totally roll my magicka templar again!", then I realized my bars locked up at times (didn't know that potions would unlock it). After realizing it was Toppling charge that locked it up, I just switched back to another alt...

Absolutely needs fixing.

Imdrefan

It's been a while so let's ressurect these threads to bring some more attention to this problem. This has been going on for a long time and I personally would like a complete revamp of the animation and skill.

This is still very true to this day when you search toppling charge.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/162083/when-searching-the-forums-for-toppling-charge

Some Developer love?
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/166401/toppeling-charge-and-templar-gcd-2-0-8/p1

@ZOS_GaryA
@ZOS_GinaBruno
@Wrobel

MLRPZ

Waky waky devs...
this has been bugy for a year now

Docmandu

Nifty2g wrote: »

blabafat wrote: »

While we're at it can we remove the delay? It's absolutely ridiculous.

ZoS refuses to fix things that have been bugged for over a year. I made a forum post about Radiant destruction being dodgeable; I also saw a console forum post about radiant being dodgeable. However, no acknowledgement from ZoS on whether it's intended or not.


The same thing happens with this ability. And actually, as of this patch, sometimes I cannot cast Toppling but I can cast my other abilities. When the bug is occurring, if I try to toppling charge, my character does the animaiton for a split second, but the skill doesn't happen.

It has a delay after casting it, sometimes you can't cast it, and sometimes after casting it you can't use ANY abilities

This is a massive problem in VMA on the last boss. It's almost useless to run this skill.

While we're at the lack of Templar skills and how many nerfs they've had, can we maybe fix Channeled Focus, there was no reason to have this changed at all. ESO's combat system does not support standing still, no situation where that is possible, almost making this skill useless from what it is. And it's an amazing skill. @blabafat I'm sure you're sad about this too

Guess Wrobel hasn't reached stage 9 top floor in maelstrom arena yet.

Docmandu

rokrdt05 wrote: »

mr_wazzabi wrote: »

Why don't they redisign the skill to fly like dragon leap?

That or they could make it more similar to bolt escape, something to where it at least doesn't break or have silly delays.

"doesn't break" ... think you need to map it to a different skill then, because Bolt Escape has been broken more than a few times too.. ie. as-in expend magicka but not move an inch

Docmandu

Knowing ZOS, I'm sure the "fix" will be a completely different skill.. or some band-aid fix like auto potion use after toppling charge

Although.. then it would refuse to work if you use jabs, since somehow that causes a potion cooldown.. O.o

Imdrefan

MLRPZ wrote: »

Waky waky devs...
this has been bugy for a year now

I think you mean since beta.

rokrdt05

The sad part is ZoS has yet to comment or acknowledge that this skill is broken.

me_ming

Oh goodness, and I thought this an isolated case. Because I can distinctly remember reading from the IC patch note that they have fixed this bug. So I tested this out the day IC came out, delay still happened and was not even able to do anything (just as OP has stated). I honestly thought it was just me who was having all these issues. And ever since Orisnium, there has been instances where you can't even cast it. The first time I read the tooltip of this ability, I know that I would have to keep this ability, it's too good. The moment I knew it was bugged, I wanted to be a Nightblade.

Docmandu

Templar nerf:

Blazing Spear: Decreased the damage values, which were previously higher than intended.

v2.2.7 patch notes :-)

Cryhavoc

Docmandu wrote: »

Templar nerf:

Blazing Spear: Decreased the damage values, which were previously higher than intended.

v2.2.7 patch notes :-)

LOL

Really?

zornyan

And Illuminate and radiant aura .

Yep more nerfs, didn't you hear? Templar op!