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Nerf Vmsa already
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zornyan✭✭✭✭✭Justice31st wrote: »I like how people who can't beat Nifty's scores are arguing with him. If an experienced PVEer such as himself says it's a bad arena, and the only ones arguing it's not are the same 5 people on every thread, maybe it's an issue.
^This. Trolls have been out lately. People claiming that their needs to be content for solo players is fine. However, end game gear only obtained by soloing should not be included in an MMO.Justice31st wrote: »I like how people who can't beat Nifty's scores are arguing with him. If an experienced PVEer such as himself says it's a bad arena, and the only ones arguing it's not are the same 5 people on every thread, maybe it's an issue.
^This. Trolls have been out lately. People claiming that their needs to be content for solo players is fine. However, end game gear only obtained by soloing should not be included in an MMO.
Yet the best endgame gear is crafted with monster sets. So what exactly do you need? The only thing i might find handy is the resto staff for pvp rapid regen spam .
Even won't be useful for dungeons as most good healers never run out of magicka.
So that's kind of a silly point, if you've geared up and done all the trials, dungeons, pledges, gotten the monster sets, do well in pvp, and have been able to beat vMSA what exactly do you want a gold item that's going to lower your gear value by for?1 -
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Sorcs, Dragonknights and Nightblades; their most essential weapon to their strongest build is an maelstrom inferno staffJustice31st wrote: »I like how people who can't beat Nifty's scores are arguing with him. If an experienced PVEer such as himself says it's a bad arena, and the only ones arguing it's not are the same 5 people on every thread, maybe it's an issue.
^This. Trolls have been out lately. People claiming that their needs to be content for solo players is fine. However, end game gear only obtained by soloing should not be included in an MMO.Justice31st wrote: »I like how people who can't beat Nifty's scores are arguing with him. If an experienced PVEer such as himself says it's a bad arena, and the only ones arguing it's not are the same 5 people on every thread, maybe it's an issue.
^This. Trolls have been out lately. People claiming that their needs to be content for solo players is fine. However, end game gear only obtained by soloing should not be included in an MMO.
Yet the best endgame gear is crafted with monster sets. So what exactly do you need? The only thing i might find handy is the resto staff for pvp rapid regen spam .
Even won't be useful for dungeons as most good healers never run out of magicka.
So that's kind of a silly point, if you've geared up and done all the trials, dungeons, pledges, gotten the monster sets, do well in pvp, and have been able to beat vMSA what exactly do you want a gold item that's going to lower your gear value by for?
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I'm getting real sick of comments like this. Seriously. Yes we know this is an MMO. That doesn't mean that every piece of content should be designed with you and your zerg or your group of BFFs in mind to complete.
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Sorcs, Dragonknights and Nightblades; their most essential weapon to their strongest build is an maelstrom inferno staffJustice31st wrote: »I like how people who can't beat Nifty's scores are arguing with him. If an experienced PVEer such as himself says it's a bad arena, and the only ones arguing it's not are the same 5 people on every thread, maybe it's an issue.
^This. Trolls have been out lately. People claiming that their needs to be content for solo players is fine. However, end game gear only obtained by soloing should not be included in an MMO.Justice31st wrote: »I like how people who can't beat Nifty's scores are arguing with him. If an experienced PVEer such as himself says it's a bad arena, and the only ones arguing it's not are the same 5 people on every thread, maybe it's an issue.
^This. Trolls have been out lately. People claiming that their needs to be content for solo players is fine. However, end game gear only obtained by soloing should not be included in an MMO.
Yet the best endgame gear is crafted with monster sets. So what exactly do you need? The only thing i might find handy is the resto staff for pvp rapid regen spam .
Even won't be useful for dungeons as most good healers never run out of magicka.
So that's kind of a silly point, if you've geared up and done all the trials, dungeons, pledges, gotten the monster sets, do well in pvp, and have been able to beat vMSA what exactly do you want a gold item that's going to lower your gear value by for?
Pretty sure that people like @Ezareth and others tested the staff and it was a dps loss, and no nirnhoned.
Yet my point still stands, if you're able to complete the very very hardest content in the actual game, why do you need to cry about only the best gear being from there? When clearly the best gear, i.e gear thst allows you to compete in and complete end game content is mostly crafted.1 -
DanielWinterborn✭✭✭WTB nerfed vmsa this is getting ridiculous already. I pay for content i cannot complete. I know there are those l2p scrubs that will QQ about it but i don't care. The normal Arena has like no real decent drop except hoping to god for a jewel robust for your stam build wich you never get and the Veteran one is way to OP had to die 10 times to get past 1st round on my stamplar. Since it can be completed easy by sorcs here is an ideea : buff 10% stats on DK and Templar in that arena so we can also complete it? How about that? Or do i need to reroll a new class just for this arena? Now the OP sorcs and NB will be more OP with Maelstrom weapons wp gf zos NOT.
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zornyan✭✭✭✭✭DanielWinterborn wrote: »WTB nerfed vmsa this is getting ridiculous already. I pay for content i cannot complete. I know there are those l2p scrubs that will QQ about it but i don't care. The normal Arena has like no real decent drop except hoping to god for a jewel robust for your stam build wich you never get and the Veteran one is way to OP had to die 10 times to get past 1st round on my stamplar. Since it can be completed easy by sorcs here is an ideea : buff 10% stats on DK and Templar in that arena so we can also complete it? How about that? Or do i need to reroll a new class just for this arena? Now the OP sorcs and NB will be more OP with Maelstrom weapons wp gf zos NOT.
QQ
Let me guess, you're running a high dps stamplar?
Few issues.
Stamplars are the worst class in the game right now, that's being fixed hopefully come Feb with thieves guild.
They have some of the lowest total dps (like 18k -2pk alcast used to get) as opposed to magicka templars or sorcs or NB or dk hitting 35k+ dps.
So as a stamplar you have pretty low damage, not many actual skills or passives to use, even stam sorcs get critical surge which is vital for vmsa.
I don't get the entitlement of buying a game means you must he able to beat it, if that was true any moron should be able to pick up bloodborne and go do new game plus 9. Trust me, I'll wager my years salary you won't ever be able to do it.
That's not zos fault, it's hard contenr, either man up and try harder or just play normal.0 -
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I hope you're not being serious right? 2 Molag Kena, 5 Julianos, 3 Willpower, 1 or 2 maelstrom Destro Staves (sharpened) and for a sorc they get even more with 2 torug offbar swords nirnhoned for their overload, will net you the highest damage you can get.
Sorcs, Dragonknights and Nightblades; their most essential weapon to their strongest build is an maelstrom inferno staffJustice31st wrote: »I like how people who can't beat Nifty's scores are arguing with him. If an experienced PVEer such as himself says it's a bad arena, and the only ones arguing it's not are the same 5 people on every thread, maybe it's an issue.
^This. Trolls have been out lately. People claiming that their needs to be content for solo players is fine. However, end game gear only obtained by soloing should not be included in an MMO.Justice31st wrote: »I like how people who can't beat Nifty's scores are arguing with him. If an experienced PVEer such as himself says it's a bad arena, and the only ones arguing it's not are the same 5 people on every thread, maybe it's an issue.
^This. Trolls have been out lately. People claiming that their needs to be content for solo players is fine. However, end game gear only obtained by soloing should not be included in an MMO.
Yet the best endgame gear is crafted with monster sets. So what exactly do you need? The only thing i might find handy is the resto staff for pvp rapid regen spam .
Even won't be useful for dungeons as most good healers never run out of magicka.
So that's kind of a silly point, if you've geared up and done all the trials, dungeons, pledges, gotten the monster sets, do well in pvp, and have been able to beat vMSA what exactly do you want a gold item that's going to lower your gear value by for?
Pretty sure that people like @Ezareth and others tested the staff and it was a dps loss, and no nirnhoned.
Yet my point still stands, if you're able to complete the very very hardest content in the actual game, why do you need to cry about only the best gear being from there? When clearly the best gear, i.e gear thst allows you to compete in and complete end game content is mostly crafted.#MOREORBS1 -
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✭DanielWinterborn wrote: »WTB nerfed vmsa this is getting ridiculous already. I pay for content i cannot complete. I know there are those l2p scrubs that will QQ about it but i don't care. The normal Arena has like no real decent drop except hoping to god for a jewel robust for your stam build wich you never get and the Veteran one is way to OP had to die 10 times to get past 1st round on my stamplar. Since it can be completed easy by sorcs here is an ideea : buff 10% stats on DK and Templar in that arena so we can also complete it? How about that? Or do i need to reroll a new class just for this arena? Now the OP sorcs and NB will be more OP with Maelstrom weapons wp gf zos NOT.
QQ
ahhh... you make a good point !!!
There is now an unfairness between the classes to enjoy doing vMA and getting the spoils.
With meanwhile more than a month vMA up and running, ZOS should have enough statistics to evaluate the difference in strenght's between the classes for this particular challege/setting.
In my view they should use this info anyhow for the overall tweaking between classes. but very cautiously, because not every class is equal strong for every setting (only in a perfect world).
And your suggestion is very practical:
... buff 10% stats on DK and Templar in that arena so we can also complete it?
+1
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Opux✭✭✭The whole arena needs adjusted and reevaluated, the balance is atrocious and it seems the developers have never heard of "artificial difficulty". I've spent the last 10h trying to get through it on my stam NB and I've been at the last boss for 3 of those. I make a single mistake or the environment *** me with a pair of dice and I'm dead; so I give up. Every single mechanic in this masochistic theme park punishes melee play and does nothing to ranged magicka builds. Crematorium guards essentially serve as a sign that says "you must be ranged to pass, or have some way of doing damage and healing at the same time". Hell, even the stranglers - the one thing that could destroy a ranged build - got "nerfed" to a snare which made melee even worse! A well-trained mouth-breathing monkey could do this on a sorcerer, no need to give them help.
I can understand wanting to provide hard, aspirational content, where players can challenge themselves but that should take place on the leaderboard and competing for score, not completion. 99% of the player base can't finish it as it is.
The fact that there is no save function is the icing on the *** cake. I have a job, friends, a life and a circadian rhythm - *** me, right?0 -
Heindrich✭✭✭✭✭No nerfs needed. If you cannot do it, stop qq'ing and get better. Or accept that you aren't good enough.
Some work is needed on class balance though.
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pronkg✭✭✭✭DanielWinterborn wrote: »WTB nerfed vmsa this is getting ridiculous already. I pay for content i cannot complete. I know there are those l2p scrubs that will QQ about it but i don't care. The normal Arena has like no real decent drop except hoping to god for a jewel robust for your stam build wich you never get and the Veteran one is way to OP had to die 10 times to get past 1st round on my stamplar. Since it can be completed easy by sorcs here is an ideea : buff 10% stats on DK and Templar in that arena so we can also complete it? How about that? Or do i need to reroll a new class just for this arena? Now the OP sorcs and NB will be more OP with Maelstrom weapons wp gf zos NOT.
QQ
ahhh... you make a good point !!!
There is now an unfairness between the classes to enjoy doing vMA and getting the spoils.
With meanwhile more than a month vMA up and running, ZOS should have enough statistics to evaluate the difference in strenght's between the classes for this particular challege/setting.
In my view they should use this info anyhow for the overall tweaking between classes. but very cautiously, because not every class is equal strong for every setting (only in a perfect world).
And your suggestion is very practical:
... buff 10% stats on DK and Templar in that arena so we can also complete it?
+1
There will be class rebalance next big patch.0 -
pronkg✭✭✭✭DanielWinterborn wrote: »WTB nerfed vmsa this is getting ridiculous already. I pay for content i cannot complete. I know there are those l2p scrubs that will QQ about it but i don't care. The normal Arena has like no real decent drop except hoping to god for a jewel robust for your stam build wich you never get and the Veteran one is way to OP had to die 10 times to get past 1st round on my stamplar. Since it can be completed easy by sorcs here is an ideea : buff 10% stats on DK and Templar in that arena so we can also complete it? How about that? Or do i need to reroll a new class just for this arena? Now the OP sorcs and NB will be more OP with Maelstrom weapons wp gf zos NOT.
QQ
You paid for being able to become emperor, are you emperor? If not make a new thread to nerf getting emperor
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pronkg✭✭✭✭
Sorcs, Dragonknights and Nightblades; their most essential weapon to their strongest build is an maelstrom inferno staffJustice31st wrote: »I like how people who can't beat Nifty's scores are arguing with him. If an experienced PVEer such as himself says it's a bad arena, and the only ones arguing it's not are the same 5 people on every thread, maybe it's an issue.
^This. Trolls have been out lately. People claiming that their needs to be content for solo players is fine. However, end game gear only obtained by soloing should not be included in an MMO.Justice31st wrote: »I like how people who can't beat Nifty's scores are arguing with him. If an experienced PVEer such as himself says it's a bad arena, and the only ones arguing it's not are the same 5 people on every thread, maybe it's an issue.
^This. Trolls have been out lately. People claiming that their needs to be content for solo players is fine. However, end game gear only obtained by soloing should not be included in an MMO.
Yet the best endgame gear is crafted with monster sets. So what exactly do you need? The only thing i might find handy is the resto staff for pvp rapid regen spam .
Even won't be useful for dungeons as most good healers never run out of magicka.
So that's kind of a silly point, if you've geared up and done all the trials, dungeons, pledges, gotten the monster sets, do well in pvp, and have been able to beat vMSA what exactly do you want a gold item that's going to lower your gear value by for?
Pretty sure that people like @Ezareth and others tested the staff and it was a dps loss, and no nirnhoned.
Yet my point still stands, if you're able to complete the very very hardest content in the actual game, why do you need to cry about only the best gear being from there? When clearly the best gear, i.e gear thst allows you to compete in and complete end game content is mostly crafted.
I agree, why run it at all if there's nothing great to get right.
I'm tired of people acting like
1. These weapons are OP
2. They are entitled to everything the game has to offer.
3. vMA is impossible content made for just the 1% of players
I'm absolutely not 1% and was able to beat it. More and more people are completing this as ZoS stated they are very happy about the numbers.Edited by pronkg on December 18, 2015 11:07AM0 -
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✭How about NO!!!!
When filtering through all the different punchlines of the "nerf" sayers, it basically boils down to ;
I want content that i can complete without effort, in the designated time i have to play.
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DanielWinterborn✭✭✭DanielWinterborn wrote: »WTB nerfed vmsa this is getting ridiculous already. I pay for content i cannot complete. I know there are those l2p scrubs that will QQ about it but i don't care. The normal Arena has like no real decent drop except hoping to god for a jewel robust for your stam build wich you never get and the Veteran one is way to OP had to die 10 times to get past 1st round on my stamplar. Since it can be completed easy by sorcs here is an ideea : buff 10% stats on DK and Templar in that arena so we can also complete it? How about that? Or do i need to reroll a new class just for this arena? Now the OP sorcs and NB will be more OP with Maelstrom weapons wp gf zos NOT.
QQ
You paid for being able to become emperor, are you emperor? If not make a new thread to nerf getting emperor
I can become one if i dedicate more time to it so i can see it's doable. Also you QQ here because you play NB/Sorc and want to get even stronger than other people with DK/Templar that can't finish it.0 -
DanielWinterborn✭✭✭DanielWinterborn wrote: »WTB nerfed vmsa this is getting ridiculous already. I pay for content i cannot complete. I know there are those l2p scrubs that will QQ about it but i don't care. The normal Arena has like no real decent drop except hoping to god for a jewel robust for your stam build wich you never get and the Veteran one is way to OP had to die 10 times to get past 1st round on my stamplar. Since it can be completed easy by sorcs here is an ideea : buff 10% stats on DK and Templar in that arena so we can also complete it? How about that? Or do i need to reroll a new class just for this arena? Now the OP sorcs and NB will be more OP with Maelstrom weapons wp gf zos NOT.
QQ
Let me guess, you're running a high dps stamplar?
Few issues.
Stamplars are the worst class in the game right now, that's being fixed hopefully come Feb with thieves guild.
They have some of the lowest total dps (like 18k -2pk alcast used to get) as opposed to magicka templars or sorcs or NB or dk hitting 35k+ dps.
So as a stamplar you have pretty low damage, not many actual skills or passives to use, even stam sorcs get critical surge which is vital for vmsa.
I don't get the entitlement of buying a game means you must he able to beat it, if that was true any moron should be able to pick up bloodborne and go do new game plus 9. Trust me, I'll wager my years salary you won't ever be able to do it.
That's not zos fault, it's hard contenr, either man up and try harder or just play normal.
LoL I can stack man up on me even more than i have since i tried hundreds of times, I did get a better deal with Magicka Templar and got to stage 3 where again too hard and had to quit. How is it not ZOS fault when Sorc/NB can easy mode it yet DK/Templar cannot? This is single player content so no more QQ "but templar has group heals and such so you can zerg it". So in Cyro templar is too OP with heals as you guys say and yet in VMa he is not supposed to finish it? Should i get my char to "man up" maybe he gets a super buff?
Or perhaps i can heal stuff to death! Yeah never thought of it. (Ohh but templar is not supposed to be DPS and so QQ bla bla stuff)Edited by DanielWinterborn on December 18, 2015 11:33AM0 -
zornyan✭✭✭✭✭DanielWinterborn wrote: »DanielWinterborn wrote: »WTB nerfed vmsa this is getting ridiculous already. I pay for content i cannot complete. I know there are those l2p scrubs that will QQ about it but i don't care. The normal Arena has like no real decent drop except hoping to god for a jewel robust for your stam build wich you never get and the Veteran one is way to OP had to die 10 times to get past 1st round on my stamplar. Since it can be completed easy by sorcs here is an ideea : buff 10% stats on DK and Templar in that arena so we can also complete it? How about that? Or do i need to reroll a new class just for this arena? Now the OP sorcs and NB will be more OP with Maelstrom weapons wp gf zos NOT.
QQ
You paid for being able to become emperor, are you emperor? If not make a new thread to nerf getting emperor
I can become one if i dedicate more time to it so i can see it's doable. Also you QQ here because you play NB/Sorc and want to get even stronger than other people with DK/Templar that can't finish it.
DK and Templar have done the content though, yes it's not as easy, but since people have done deathless runs on every single class and mag and stam variants it proves that it's doable.
Also people have done deathless runs with 150 cp.
By you're accounts, and people on here saying everyone should be able to do it, does that mean I should be able to make an aragonian stamina templar wearing 7/7 light and 50k hp but no other resources, and complete vetmsa?
Hell no.
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DanielWinterborn✭✭✭DanielWinterborn wrote: »DanielWinterborn wrote: »WTB nerfed vmsa this is getting ridiculous already. I pay for content i cannot complete. I know there are those l2p scrubs that will QQ about it but i don't care. The normal Arena has like no real decent drop except hoping to god for a jewel robust for your stam build wich you never get and the Veteran one is way to OP had to die 10 times to get past 1st round on my stamplar. Since it can be completed easy by sorcs here is an ideea : buff 10% stats on DK and Templar in that arena so we can also complete it? How about that? Or do i need to reroll a new class just for this arena? Now the OP sorcs and NB will be more OP with Maelstrom weapons wp gf zos NOT.
QQ
You paid for being able to become emperor, are you emperor? If not make a new thread to nerf getting emperor
I can become one if i dedicate more time to it so i can see it's doable. Also you QQ here because you play NB/Sorc and want to get even stronger than other people with DK/Templar that can't finish it.
DK and Templar have done the content though, yes it's not as easy, but since people have done deathless runs on every single class and mag and stam variants it proves that it's doable.
Also people have done deathless runs with 150 cp.
By you're accounts, and people on here saying everyone should be able to do it, does that mean I should be able to make an aragonian stamina templar wearing 7/7 light and 50k hp but no other resources, and complete vetmsa?
Hell no.
How are they wanting to become even stronger? There's already a class rebalance coming ffs
Yeah i mean by your math:
- If 10% Templars did it leave it like this
- If 80% Sorcs did it no way they are OP for this content
Really bro? You will stick with : "but others did it"? If there was equal shots for everyone to complete it there would be no such threads no more. But then again what do i know? I'm clearly a noob since i can't complete VMA.0 -
pronkg✭✭✭✭DanielWinterborn wrote: »DanielWinterborn wrote: »DanielWinterborn wrote: »WTB nerfed vmsa this is getting ridiculous already. I pay for content i cannot complete. I know there are those l2p scrubs that will QQ about it but i don't care. The normal Arena has like no real decent drop except hoping to god for a jewel robust for your stam build wich you never get and the Veteran one is way to OP had to die 10 times to get past 1st round on my stamplar. Since it can be completed easy by sorcs here is an ideea : buff 10% stats on DK and Templar in that arena so we can also complete it? How about that? Or do i need to reroll a new class just for this arena? Now the OP sorcs and NB will be more OP with Maelstrom weapons wp gf zos NOT.
QQ
You paid for being able to become emperor, are you emperor? If not make a new thread to nerf getting emperor
I can become one if i dedicate more time to it so i can see it's doable. Also you QQ here because you play NB/Sorc and want to get even stronger than other people with DK/Templar that can't finish it.
DK and Templar have done the content though, yes it's not as easy, but since people have done deathless runs on every single class and mag and stam variants it proves that it's doable.
Also people have done deathless runs with 150 cp.
By you're accounts, and people on here saying everyone should be able to do it, does that mean I should be able to make an aragonian stamina templar wearing 7/7 light and 50k hp but no other resources, and complete vetmsa?
Hell no.
How are they wanting to become even stronger? There's already a class rebalance coming ffs
Yeah i mean by your math:
- If 10% Templars did it leave it like this
- If 80% Sorcs did it no way they are OP for this content
Really bro? You will stick with : "but others did it"? If there was equal shots for everyone to complete it there would be no such threads no more. But then again what do i know? I'm clearly a noob since i can't complete VMA.
Let ZoS do the math, oh wait they did! And guess what? They were very satisfied
Time to close this thread guys it's leading no where
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DanielWinterborn✭✭✭DanielWinterborn wrote: »DanielWinterborn wrote: »DanielWinterborn wrote: »WTB nerfed vmsa this is getting ridiculous already. I pay for content i cannot complete. I know there are those l2p scrubs that will QQ about it but i don't care. The normal Arena has like no real decent drop except hoping to god for a jewel robust for your stam build wich you never get and the Veteran one is way to OP had to die 10 times to get past 1st round on my stamplar. Since it can be completed easy by sorcs here is an ideea : buff 10% stats on DK and Templar in that arena so we can also complete it? How about that? Or do i need to reroll a new class just for this arena? Now the OP sorcs and NB will be more OP with Maelstrom weapons wp gf zos NOT.
QQ
You paid for being able to become emperor, are you emperor? If not make a new thread to nerf getting emperor
I can become one if i dedicate more time to it so i can see it's doable. Also you QQ here because you play NB/Sorc and want to get even stronger than other people with DK/Templar that can't finish it.
DK and Templar have done the content though, yes it's not as easy, but since people have done deathless runs on every single class and mag and stam variants it proves that it's doable.
Also people have done deathless runs with 150 cp.
By you're accounts, and people on here saying everyone should be able to do it, does that mean I should be able to make an aragonian stamina templar wearing 7/7 light and 50k hp but no other resources, and complete vetmsa?
Hell no.
How are they wanting to become even stronger? There's already a class rebalance coming ffs
Yeah i mean by your math:
- If 10% Templars did it leave it like this
- If 80% Sorcs did it no way they are OP for this content
Really bro? You will stick with : "but others did it"? If there was equal shots for everyone to complete it there would be no such threads no more. But then again what do i know? I'm clearly a noob since i can't complete VMA.
Let ZoS do the math, oh wait they did! And guess what? They were very satisfied
Time to close this thread guys it's leading no where
Uber LoL of the gods. ZOS done this math like they did with 10 fps bug / Cyrolag / endless other problems? Seems like you get your facts from the wrong pile bro. And yea this thread is going nowhere if you keep on talking about things you don't know and act like everyone else is clueless.1 -
zornyan✭✭✭✭✭DanielWinterborn wrote: »DanielWinterborn wrote: »DanielWinterborn wrote: »DanielWinterborn wrote: »WTB nerfed vmsa this is getting ridiculous already. I pay for content i cannot complete. I know there are those l2p scrubs that will QQ about it but i don't care. The normal Arena has like no real decent drop except hoping to god for a jewel robust for your stam build wich you never get and the Veteran one is way to OP had to die 10 times to get past 1st round on my stamplar. Since it can be completed easy by sorcs here is an ideea : buff 10% stats on DK and Templar in that arena so we can also complete it? How about that? Or do i need to reroll a new class just for this arena? Now the OP sorcs and NB will be more OP with Maelstrom weapons wp gf zos NOT.
QQ
You paid for being able to become emperor, are you emperor? If not make a new thread to nerf getting emperor
I can become one if i dedicate more time to it so i can see it's doable. Also you QQ here because you play NB/Sorc and want to get even stronger than other people with DK/Templar that can't finish it.
DK and Templar have done the content though, yes it's not as easy, but since people have done deathless runs on every single class and mag and stam variants it proves that it's doable.
Also people have done deathless runs with 150 cp.
By you're accounts, and people on here saying everyone should be able to do it, does that mean I should be able to make an aragonian stamina templar wearing 7/7 light and 50k hp but no other resources, and complete vetmsa?
Hell no.
How are they wanting to become even stronger? There's already a class rebalance coming ffs
Yeah i mean by your math:
- If 10% Templars did it leave it like this
- If 80% Sorcs did it no way they are OP for this content
Really bro? You will stick with : "but others did it"? If there was equal shots for everyone to complete it there would be no such threads no more. But then again what do i know? I'm clearly a noob since i can't complete VMA.
Let ZoS do the math, oh wait they did! And guess what? They were very satisfied
Time to close this thread guys it's leading no where
Uber LoL of the gods. ZOS done this math like they did with 10 fps bug / Cyrolag / endless other problems? Seems like you get your facts from the wrong pile bro. And yea this thread is going nowhere if you keep on talking about things you don't know and act like everyone else is clueless.
Well zos have stated it won't be nerfed. Guess we were right it doesn't need nerfing
I already stated class rebalance is coming, the issue is people thinking they can take in a glass cannon build with 14k hp and one shot everything.
What don't you understand, there is a NORMAL mode you can run that is for people that can't complete vet, if you can't complete vet ICP you run it on normal.
Even with the recent nerfs people still cry like children it's too hard. It could he nerfed into oblivion and people would complain.
I've actually spoken to people that took weeks to even get past the first few rounds of normal, one of them was wearing black rose armor and random blue weapons as a vr16, and complained it was too hard!
Seriously, the only way to make it do able for everyone would be make it even easier than normal, to be completed by a naked 0 cp player using a white sword.1 -
pronkg✭✭✭✭DanielWinterborn wrote: »DanielWinterborn wrote: »DanielWinterborn wrote: »DanielWinterborn wrote: »WTB nerfed vmsa this is getting ridiculous already. I pay for content i cannot complete. I know there are those l2p scrubs that will QQ about it but i don't care. The normal Arena has like no real decent drop except hoping to god for a jewel robust for your stam build wich you never get and the Veteran one is way to OP had to die 10 times to get past 1st round on my stamplar. Since it can be completed easy by sorcs here is an ideea : buff 10% stats on DK and Templar in that arena so we can also complete it? How about that? Or do i need to reroll a new class just for this arena? Now the OP sorcs and NB will be more OP with Maelstrom weapons wp gf zos NOT.
QQ
You paid for being able to become emperor, are you emperor? If not make a new thread to nerf getting emperor
I can become one if i dedicate more time to it so i can see it's doable. Also you QQ here because you play NB/Sorc and want to get even stronger than other people with DK/Templar that can't finish it.
DK and Templar have done the content though, yes it's not as easy, but since people have done deathless runs on every single class and mag and stam variants it proves that it's doable.
Also people have done deathless runs with 150 cp.
By you're accounts, and people on here saying everyone should be able to do it, does that mean I should be able to make an aragonian stamina templar wearing 7/7 light and 50k hp but no other resources, and complete vetmsa?
Hell no.
How are they wanting to become even stronger? There's already a class rebalance coming ffs
Yeah i mean by your math:
- If 10% Templars did it leave it like this
- If 80% Sorcs did it no way they are OP for this content
Really bro? You will stick with : "but others did it"? If there was equal shots for everyone to complete it there would be no such threads no more. But then again what do i know? I'm clearly a noob since i can't complete VMA.
Let ZoS do the math, oh wait they did! And guess what? They were very satisfied
Time to close this thread guys it's leading no where
Uber LoL of the gods. ZOS done this math like they did with 10 fps bug / Cyrolag / endless other problems? Seems like you get your facts from the wrong pile bro. And yea this thread is going nowhere if you keep on talking about things you don't know and act like everyone else is clueless.
They stated they are not gonna nerf it cause they look at the numbers and were happy, so unless they told a lie then yes my facts are wrong.
I guess you always get a gold medal for everything in life even though you lose
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✭vMA is a piece of idiotic content, if it at least was a DUOarena, but nah, you have to sit in there for 1-2h SOLO in a MMO. Goood Job ZOS, prolly those that asked for solocontent cant even complete this stuff LOL.
Next QQ inc will be the new trial next year, because the amount of noobs I see in Orsinium knows no ends and I am sure they all want to do the new trial, it will be a f...mess!!!! Gonna be guuuud.
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✭Justice31st wrote: »I like how people who can't beat Nifty's scores are arguing with him. If an experienced PVEer such as himself says it's a bad arena, and the only ones arguing it's not are the same 5 people on every thread, maybe it's an issue.
^This. Trolls have been out lately. People claiming that their needs to be content for solo players is fine. However, end game gear only obtained by soloing should not be included in an MMO.Justice31st wrote: »I like how people who can't beat Nifty's scores are arguing with him. If an experienced PVEer such as himself says it's a bad arena, and the only ones arguing it's not are the same 5 people on every thread, maybe it's an issue.
^This. Trolls have been out lately. People claiming that their needs to be content for solo players is fine. However, end game gear only obtained by soloing should not be included in an MMO.
Yet the best endgame gear is crafted with monster sets. So what exactly do you need? The only thing i might find handy is the resto staff for pvp rapid regen spam .
Even won't be useful for dungeons as most good healers never run out of magicka.
So that's kind of a silly point, if you've geared up and done all the trials, dungeons, pledges, gotten the monster sets, do well in pvp, and have been able to beat vMSA what exactly do you want a gold item that's going to lower your gear value by for?
What do you mean crafted with monster sets? 5 piece Julianos or Twice Born Star set + 2 piece monster set does not make a crafted weapon part of a bonus set. I am currently using a gold Staff of Torugs with a precise trait resto staff. How is that better than a gold master weapon resto staff when I am currently using gold 5 piece Julianos set+ Engine Guardian?That is why master weapons are very useful. Again like I said, NO end game gear should be only obtained through solo game play in a Massively Multiplayer Online Game.Edited by Justice31st on December 18, 2015 2:07PM"The more you know who you are, and what you want, the less you let things upset you."0 -
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✭@Justice31st
If you spent at least half the amount of time you spend on forums complaining how difficult vMA is actually playing in vMA, you would have already beaten it.
I'm not saying class balance is perfect, I am just saying people are lazy and expect endgame gear to be handed to them on a silver platter.1 -
zornyan✭✭✭✭✭Justice31st wrote: »Justice31st wrote: »I like how people who can't beat Nifty's scores are arguing with him. If an experienced PVEer such as himself says it's a bad arena, and the only ones arguing it's not are the same 5 people on every thread, maybe it's an issue.
^This. Trolls have been out lately. People claiming that their needs to be content for solo players is fine. However, end game gear only obtained by soloing should not be included in an MMO.Justice31st wrote: »I like how people who can't beat Nifty's scores are arguing with him. If an experienced PVEer such as himself says it's a bad arena, and the only ones arguing it's not are the same 5 people on every thread, maybe it's an issue.
^This. Trolls have been out lately. People claiming that their needs to be content for solo players is fine. However, end game gear only obtained by soloing should not be included in an MMO.
Yet the best endgame gear is crafted with monster sets. So what exactly do you need? The only thing i might find handy is the resto staff for pvp rapid regen spam .
Even won't be useful for dungeons as most good healers never run out of magicka.
So that's kind of a silly point, if you've geared up and done all the trials, dungeons, pledges, gotten the monster sets, do well in pvp, and have been able to beat vMSA what exactly do you want a gold item that's going to lower your gear value by for?
What do you mean crafted with monster sets? 5 piece Julianos or Twice Born Star set + 2 piece monster set does not make a crafted weapon part of a bonus set. I am currently using a gold Staff of Torugs with a precise trait resto staff. How is that better than a gold master weapon resto staff when I am currently using gold 5 piece Julianos set+ Engine Guardian?That is why master weapons are very useful. Again like I said, NO end game gear should be only obtained through solo game play in a Massively Multiplayer Online Game.
For example
Best magicka templar dps set
5x julianos
4x magnus
Or
5x julianos
3x magnus
1x kena
Swap julianos for kragneracs hope and you have a great dungeon healer setup.
Stamplar or stam nb
Hundings rage x5
Night mothers gaze x4
Or
5x hundings
3x sentry
1x kena
Sorc setup
5x julianos
2x kena
2x torugs
Etc etc
All of the absolutely top notch builds, that have been used by many many players to beat the hardest content in the game, or be used and successful in pvp (and many other builds similar) have no master weapons.
To actually make use of a master weapon you have to have a build focused around it, as in tailor your other items, skills and rotations to purely factor in that one weapon.
But even without these master weapons, templars can heal through any end gsme content, sorcs have hit 56k dps, even templars have hit 36k dps (both magicka) and nb's and dks can be one shot hero's in pvp.
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✭Justice31st wrote: »Justice31st wrote: »I like how people who can't beat Nifty's scores are arguing with him. If an experienced PVEer such as himself says it's a bad arena, and the only ones arguing it's not are the same 5 people on every thread, maybe it's an issue.
^This. Trolls have been out lately. People claiming that their needs to be content for solo players is fine. However, end game gear only obtained by soloing should not be included in an MMO.Justice31st wrote: »I like how people who can't beat Nifty's scores are arguing with him. If an experienced PVEer such as himself says it's a bad arena, and the only ones arguing it's not are the same 5 people on every thread, maybe it's an issue.
^This. Trolls have been out lately. People claiming that their needs to be content for solo players is fine. However, end game gear only obtained by soloing should not be included in an MMO.
Yet the best endgame gear is crafted with monster sets. So what exactly do you need? The only thing i might find handy is the resto staff for pvp rapid regen spam .
Even won't be useful for dungeons as most good healers never run out of magicka.
So that's kind of a silly point, if you've geared up and done all the trials, dungeons, pledges, gotten the monster sets, do well in pvp, and have been able to beat vMSA what exactly do you want a gold item that's going to lower your gear value by for?
What do you mean crafted with monster sets? 5 piece Julianos or Twice Born Star set + 2 piece monster set does not make a crafted weapon part of a bonus set. I am currently using a gold Staff of Torugs with a precise trait resto staff. How is that better than a gold master weapon resto staff when I am currently using gold 5 piece Julianos set+ Engine Guardian?That is why master weapons are very useful. Again like I said, NO end game gear should be only obtained through solo game play in a Massively Multiplayer Online Game.
For example
Best magicka templar dps set
5x julianos
4x magnus
Or
5x julianos
3x magnus
1x kena
Swap julianos for kragneracs hope and you have a great dungeon healer setup.
Stamplar or stam nb
Hundings rage x5
Night mothers gaze x4
Or
5x hundings
3x sentry
1x kena
Sorc setup
5x julianos
2x kena
2x torugs
Etc etc
All of the absolutely top notch builds, that have been used by many many players to beat the hardest content in the game, or be used and successful in pvp (and many other builds similar) have no master weapons.
To actually make use of a master weapon you have to have a build focused around it, as in tailor your other items, skills and rotations to purely factor in that one weapon.
But even without these master weapons, templars can heal through any end gsme content, sorcs have hit 56k dps, even templars have hit 36k dps (both magicka) and nb's and dks can be one shot hero's in pvp.
LOLEdited by Justice31st on December 18, 2015 2:47PM"The more you know who you are, and what you want, the less you let things upset you."0 -
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✭@Justice31st
If you spent at least half the amount of time you spend on forums complaining how difficult vMA is actually playing in vMA, you would have already beaten it.
I'm not saying class balance is perfect, I am just saying people are lazy and expect endgame gear to be handed to them on a silver platter.
Maybe, I am trying to help the other part of the 99% who are having a tougher time in the vMA than me.Edited by Justice31st on December 18, 2015 2:48PM"The more you know who you are, and what you want, the less you let things upset you."0
