Either NERF Dawn Breaker or give Vamps some Love, Use your Noggin ZOS!!!

Sav72 · December 2015

12 percent reduction to magic damage, 14 percent reduction to Critical hits, and Getting hit for 17k plus From dawn breaker....

Callous2208 · December 2015

Should have thought of that before you sold your soul to become an abomination. Burn in the light of Meridia's justice fiend!

GreenSoup2HoT · December 2015

This game is in such shamble's performance wise, balance is thrown out the window in the mean time until performance is fixed.

The new battle spirit was just to stop ganking so there was less complaining on the forum's. It fixed none of the actual issue's regarding class balance and skill's.

On top of that, vampire's have been dealing with camo hunter for so long and nothing is being done about in a timely manner.

People forget to realize that vampire's take full effect from fighter's guild ability's at all time's. That's 9% extra weapon damage, the 60% extra damage from dawnbreaker and camo hunter proc's. Did i forget to mention the extra fire damage and health regen debuff's vampire's have to deal with...

Vampire's get sneak speed and a little bit of damage mitigation with some regen. Hardly enough to warrant all the negative's.

Zos is failing hard when it come's to what need's to be fixed now. They are to busy creating new content when the current content is having a hard time staying alive. Pvp is one of the main contributor's to why any player will continue to play this game in the long term. If the short term balance is not fixed now, the player base is going to move on real quick.

I'm pretty much a broken record player on these forum's. When is Zos gonna step up their game?

Edit

Just wanted to add a little something.

People are bringing up organized group's using clouding swarm as an excuse for the insane amount's of fighter's guild damage. So is this AoE bomb all vampire's have?

ANY group can AoE bomb with enough coordination. Making this an invalid argument. One person using Radiant Mage light ruin's a Clouding Swarm bomb making everyone visible for a counter attack.

Yes Clouding Swarm group's are a lethal combo, however this would be exactly the same if everyone used Soul Tether or any other AoE combo. It's organized group's that are lethal, don't just point as vampire's and claim they are op.

UltimaJoe777 · December 2015

Do you want Vampire's to have no weaknesses at all? Because that's what this sounds like.

The Fighter's Guild is designed to combat Daedra and the Undead, and also do well against Werewolves. This goes for all skills from it, including the Ultimate known as Dawnbreaker.

No nerf is required. This is merely one of your weaknesses as a creature of the night. Don't like it? Don't be a Vampire. Simple as that. And Werewolves are in the same boat by the way... I mean did you honestly think they were called "curses" for no reason? lol

MasterFUNG_ESO · December 2015

Callous2208 wrote: »

Should have thought of that before you sold your soul to become an abomination. Burn in the light of Meridia's justice fiend!

Lol, good one, unfortunately im now obligated to hunt you down, rip out your self righteous heart,and leave you a withered husk for your insolence...crap, did i say that out loud?

Molag_Crow · December 2015

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

This game is in such shamble's performance wise, balance is thrown out the window in the mean time until performance is fixed.

The new battle spirit was just to stop ganking so there was less complaining on the forum's. It fixed none of the actual issue's regarding class balance and skill's.

On top of that, vampire's have been dealing with camo hunter for so long and nothing is being done about in a timely manner.

People forget to realize that vampire's take full effect from fighter's guild ability's at all time's. That's 9% extra weapon damage, the 60% extra damage from dawnbreaker and camo hunter proc's. Did i forget to mention the extra fire damage and health regen debuff's vampire's have to deal with...

Vampire's get sneak speed and a little bit of damage mitigation with some regen. Hardly enough to warrant all the negative's.

Zos is failing hard when it come's to what need's to be fixed now. They are to busy creating new content when the current content is having a hard time staying alive. Pvp is one of the main contributor's to why any player will continue to play this game in the long term. If the short term balance is not fixed now, the player base is going to move on real quick.

I'm pretty much a broken record player on these forum's. When is Zos gonna step up their game?

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Couldn't have said it any better.

dem0n1k · December 2015

What is the advantage of becoming Vampire then? So many players use it because I see a LOT of swarming bat ults in PVP.

Werewolf players suffer from the Evil hunter proc too right? Part of the deal of being infected I thought. My DK gets hammered by poison attacks since getting Lycanthropy but I just figured that's the downside of getting all the Werewolf abilities.

Tryxus · December 2015

"FG abilities are supposed to be strong vs Vamp/WW so that PvP doens't get overrun by them"

Sounds familiar?

Personally, I think the FG skills are good as they are. Maybe update Trap Beast and Circle of Protection a bit? Nothing wrong with Dawnbreaker or Camo Hunter, tho the latter might need fixing again.

But Vamps are gonna need a major update, since only 2 of the 3 skills they have are of use and with the Magicka + Stam regen removed another major advantage of being a Vamp is gone

And with Vamp updated, more and more ppl will find use for the FG skills again. Stronger Vamps and FG skills useful again.

Win-win

Illumous · December 2015

dem0n1k wrote: »

What is the advantage of becoming Vampire then? So many players use it because I see a LOT of swarming bat ults in PVP.

Werewolf players suffer from the Evil hunter proc too right? Part of the deal of being infected I thought. My DK gets hammered by poison attacks since getting Lycanthropy but I just figured that's the downside of getting all the Werewolf abilities.

Werewolves only take extra damage from Fighter's Guild skills and poison damage when transformed. Vampires take extra damage all the time.

Tryxus wrote: »

But Vamps are gonna need a major update, since only 2 of the 3 skills they have are of use and with the Magicka + Stam regen removed another major advantage of being a Vamp is gone

I'd argue that only Bat Swarm is useful for Vamps these days. Mist Form is much weaker now that people can target Vamps while they use it. One snare or root and you are pretty much dead using Mist Form.

Catblade · December 2015

Vamp needs a serious buff. Do does DK, Templar and WW.

Tryxus · December 2015

Illumous wrote: »

dem0n1k wrote: »

What is the advantage of becoming Vampire then? So many players use it because I see a LOT of swarming bat ults in PVP.

Werewolf players suffer from the Evil hunter proc too right? Part of the deal of being infected I thought. My DK gets hammered by poison attacks since getting Lycanthropy but I just figured that's the downside of getting all the Werewolf abilities.

Werewolves only take extra damage from Fighter's Guild skills and poison damage when transformed. Vampires take extra damage all the time.

Tryxus wrote: »

But Vamps are gonna need a major update, since only 2 of the 3 skills they have are of use and with the Magicka + Stam regen removed another major advantage of being a Vamp is gone

I'd argue that only Bat Swarm is useful for Vamps these days. Mist Form is much weaker now that people can target Vamps while they use it. One snare or root and you are pretty much dead using Mist Form.

I sometimes use Mist Form instead of Mass Hysteria. It's still a nice skill to have when you're marked

Catblade wrote: »

Vamp needs a serious buff. Do does DK, Templar and WW.

If I could give you a box of cookies through the internet, I'd so do that right now

dem0n1k · December 2015

Illumous wrote: »

Werewolves only take extra damage from Fighter's Guild skills and poison damage when transformed. Vampires take extra damage all the time.

Really? I get an awful lot of incoming Evil/Camo hunter procs in PVP & not transformed. I thought it was from my Lycanthropy but maybe I just have really bad luck.

UltimaJoe777 · December 2015

MasterFUNG_ESO wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

Should have thought of that before you sold your soul to become an abomination. Burn in the light of Meridia's justice fiend!

Lol, good one, unfortunately im now obligated to hunt you down, rip out your self righteous heart,and leave you a withered husk for your insolence...crap, did i say that out loud?

No.

TX12001rwb17_ESO · December 2015

Callous2208 wrote: »

Should have thought of that before you sold your soul to become an abomination. Burn in the light of Meridia's justice fiend!

You lose your soul at the start of the game and even if you get it back before you become a vampire you will stilll have your soul...Vampires don't lose their souls you know cause that would make the entire main quest pointless.

Also vampires should get about 2k poison damage and 2k disease damage resistance (lorewise they should be downright Immune) and their drain spell and ultimate should be more effective at night from 1% stronger at vampire skill level 1 to 10% stronger at Vampire Skill Level 10 (Isn't their bloodline suppsoed to be more powerful at night?, that and their enhanced stealth at night would work) and should scale off their magicka OR stamina whichever is higher...that would be a good buff for them, werewolves need their transformation time lengthened by maybe 15 extra seconds and gain maybe 2k disease damage resistance as well, damage wise a werewolf doesn't need any buffs however their initial transformation's fear effect should effect nearbye players as well as just NPCs, this would allow werewolf players to transform as a last resort without getting swarmed the second they shift.

MaxwellC · December 2015

Lol this OP, clouding swarm needs a nerf but you don't see me posting forums about being hit by a 14k swarm that I can't block or escape (if the opponent is a NB spamming ambush).

GreenSoup2HoT · December 2015

MaxwellCrystal wrote: »

Lol this OP, clouding swarm needs a nerf but you don't see me posting forums about being hit by a 14k swarm that I can't block or escape (if the opponent is a NB spamming ambush).

Radiant Mage Light and Detect Potion's are available to everyone which are huge counter's. Remember it is an ULTIMATE ability. Which should hold some significance.

One huge counter to clouding swarm user's is to use a stun ability that does not require a target. Like fear or templar shard's. A lot of the time when i personally use clouding swarm, ill immediately get cc'd and not realize it because i cannot see my own character. Which end's up making my combo worthless. This can be preventable with immovable potion's though.

This thread is not about Bat Swarm. The ultimate is the only reason why you should be a vampire. It is true, it is good. However mist form does not work correctly and drain essence is complete garbage.

Outside of Bat Swarm being a vampire has many more disadvantage's then advantage's. I believe that's all the op is trying to get across in this thread.

Us vampire's know, Bat Swarm can be very deadly. That's all we have though...

Catblade · December 2015

I go back and forth on whether i want to be vamp or not. I do love bat swarm but man the weaknesses out weigh it pretty quickly. I usually have one of my alts infected

Acrolas · December 2015

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

Pvp is one of the main contributor's to why any player will continue to play this game in the long term.

Eh. PVP is nice to visit, but the people who live in there are kind of weird.

The-Baconator · December 2015

MaxwellCrystal wrote: »

Lol this OP, clouding swarm needs a nerf but you don't see me posting forums about being hit by a 14k swarm that I can't block or escape (if the opponent is a NB spamming ambush).

You realize that is the damage the ultimate dealt to you over a five second period, and during that five second span the vamp player will be incredibly vulnerable to dawnbreaker or aoe cc? Most people don't block when they're in swarm so they can easily be greeted by a one-shot or near one-shot dawnbreaker or at the very least an aoe cc that will consistently ruin the ulti for +90% of the playerbase.

Either way dawnbreaker is a fine counter to vamp as there has to be some costs to weigh when you get so much from the skill line. However camo hunter is over performing a bit at the moment imo.

Luigi_Vampa · December 2015

dem0n1k wrote: »

Illumous wrote: »

Werewolves only take extra damage from Fighter's Guild skills and poison damage when transformed. Vampires take extra damage all the time.

Really? I get an awful lot of incoming Evil/Camo hunter procs in PVP & not transformed. I thought it was from my Lycanthropy but maybe I just have really bad luck.

Camo hunter procs on an attack out of stealth 100% of the time. You don't take extra damage though, unless you're transformed.

Sav72 · December 2015

I just cant wait for a new game, I am so sick of this BS in ESO...

For Honor, for the win in Summer 2016

DannyLV702 · December 2015

I'm honestly tired of being trolled/one shotted by a heavy attack with 21k health.

leepalmer95 · December 2015

Werewolf's have it worse, they transform and immediately get aimed at by 10 ppl.

DannyLV702 · December 2015

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Werewolf's have it worse, they transform and immediately get aimed at by 10 ppl.

Haha true

Thalmor-Nordmaster · December 2015

Tryxus Cookies are bad for Cats. Give him a bath instead he has fleas.

Callous2208 · December 2015

MasterFUNG_ESO wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

Should have thought of that before you sold your soul to become an abomination. Burn in the light of Meridia's justice fiend!

Lol, good one, unfortunately im now obligated to hunt you down, rip out your self righteous heart,and leave you a withered husk for your insolence...crap, did i say that out loud?

Meet me at Fallowstone Hall in the Rift. I'll be the large Nord waving at you with the flaming battle axe. That's it, just a little closer...

RAGUNAnoOne · December 2015

dem0n1k wrote: »

Illumous wrote: »

Werewolves only take extra damage from Fighter's Guild skills and poison damage when transformed. Vampires take extra damage all the time.

Really? I get an awful lot of incoming Evil/Camo hunter procs in PVP & not transformed. I thought it was from my Lycanthropy but maybe I just have really bad luck.

The extra damage has a 4% proc chance on non undead-werewolves.

Forestd16b14_ESO · December 2015

So you want ZOS to nerf something that is designed to deal extra damage to undead which includes vampires and daedra. Yea if ZOS does that then I want the vampire ultis nerfed to be completely useless by instead of draining health it gives health to enemies.

TequilaFire · December 2015

Yep crown store bites even got me to put silver shards back on my bar, forgot how good that works!

Karamis_Vimardon · December 2015

My main is a vamp. I only have it so I have access to an (However 'meh' it may be) escape. I get camo'd, I get Dawnbreakered, I get 1 shot on occasion, and I DEAL WITH IT.

I made the choice to go vamp, I have to deal with the consequences. Quit the Age of Entitlement crying.

MrDerrikk · December 2015

markgd88nrb18_ESO wrote: »

Quit the Age of Entitlement crying.

Are you Australian by any chance?