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✭✭PvP will always be trash in this game with stuff like this happening every month...like since forever..
Something is always bugged, broken, exploited or just unbalanced and they take months and half a dozen updates to fix and then they break something else....
PvP will be dead soon except for those that get off on running gank builds and exploits.
For your info, PvP is already mostly dead aside from gankers and ball groups. And it's been like that for a while now
you can blame to many camps being open for that as wellPLEASE REPLY TO ME WITH @dsalter otherwise i'm likely to miss the reply if its not my own thread
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ZOS_GinaBrunoCommunity ManagerIt appears as though this is a UI error on the death recap screen. When we tested the ability, only the initial damage from Camo Hunter appears on the death recap even though there's a second proc that hits you (and ends up killing you). The ability is working correct, it's just the display from the recap that is broken. We're working on getting this fixed!Gina Bruno
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✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »It appears as though this is a UI error on the death recap screen. When we tested the ability, only the initial damage from Camo Hunter appears on the death recap even though there's a second proc that hits you (and ends up killing you). The ability is working correct, it's just the display from the recap that is broken. We're working on getting this fixed!
Hmmmm, I see. I guess us vampires will just have to accept this deadly proc then. Thanks for looking into this and testing it out with the team anyway.
Edit: We still don't think it's working as intended, to be honest.Edited by Molag_Crow on December 15, 2015 12:51PM--ϟ-- Crows_Descend - Templar - Ebonheart Pact [PS4]&[PC] [EU] --ϟ--
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Xeniph✭✭✭✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »It appears as though this is a UI error on the death recap screen. When we tested the ability, only the initial damage from Camo Hunter appears on the death recap even though there's a second proc that hits you (and ends up killing you). The ability is working correct, it's just the display from the recap that is broken. We're working on getting this fixed!
Fan-frigen-tastic , maybe now people will stop sending hate tells accusing of exploitation and cheating when they die.
Camo-Hunter is not bugged, it has 2 procs.
Camo-Proc- 100% from stealth on vamps/daedra
Percentage Proc- 4-15% chance anytime.
The internal CD (1.5 seconds) of the procs only apply to the percentage proc. There is not supposed to be a CD between the 100% stealth proc and the percentage proc.
Now lets say you heavy attack with DW from stealth on a Vamp. That's one Camo proc and 2 hits (DW hits both weapons during a heavy). 2 chances for the percentage proc.
If you use a good combat logger you will see this:
Camo-Hunter: 9000 (Stealth Proc)
Heavy Attack: 9900 ( Main Hand)
Camo-Hunter: 6500 (Percentage Proc)
Heavy Attack (Dual Wield): 6800 ( Off Hand)
The moral of the story is, cure vampirism or slot abilities to counter this because nothing fishy is happening here.Here since Beta.
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Kutsuu✭✭✭✭✭Interesting way for NBs to avoid getting 1-shotted by a DK heavy attack. Just stay in cloak 24/7. Guess they can at least observe others PVPing while safely hiding in cloak. If you engage in combat and aren't cloaked, you need to L2P. I'm with ya there.
This is coming from the guy bragging in another thread that he's hit people for 32k with a single heavy attack. lolEdited by Kutsuu on December 14, 2015 5:15PMPC/NA
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Kutsuu✭✭✭✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »It appears as though this is a UI error on the death recap screen. When we tested the ability, only the initial damage from Camo Hunter appears on the death recap even though there's a second proc that hits you (and ends up killing you). The ability is working correct, it's just the display from the recap that is broken. We're working on getting this fixed!
Fan-frigen-tastic , maybe now people will stop sending hate tells accusing of exploitation and cheating when they die.
Camo-Hunter is not bugged, it has 2 procs.
Camo-Proc- 100% from stealth on vamps/daedra
Percentage Proc- 4-15% chance anytime.
The internal CD (1.5 seconds) of the procs only apply to the percentage proc. There is not supposed to be a CD between the 100% stealth proc and the percentage proc.
Now lets say you heavy attack with DW from stealth on a Vamp. That's one Camo proc and 2 hits (DW hits both weapons during a heavy). 2 chances for the percentage proc.
If you use a good combat logger you will see this:
Camo-Hunter: 9000 (Stealth Proc)
Heavy Attack: 9900 ( Main Hand)
Camo-Hunter: 6500 (Percentage Proc)
Heavy Attack (Dual Wield): 6800 ( Off Hand)
The moral of the story is, cure vampirism or slot abilities to counter this because nothing fishy is happening here.
Just FYI, a DW heavy attack will proc 2x Camo Hunter 100% of the time. That second camo hunter proc will ALWAYS happen. There is some proof in my video (you can see the combat log - every time I heavy attack a vampire you see 2 procs of camo hunter), but you should consider testing it yourself. It's easy to test on the undead/daedra in Imperial city, where your DW heavy attacks will nearly 1-shot 66k HP mobs.
Now it is fun to blow people up with 1 heavy attack, but I'd rather see camo hunter only get 1 guaranteed proc from stealth. I would also like to see a .9s internal cooldown on camo hunter so it can only proc once per combat round. The chance of a triple/double proc on a light>ability>bash, while also proccing off caltrops is still pretty insane.Edited by Kutsuu on December 14, 2015 5:20PMPC/NA
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Xeniph✭✭✭✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »It appears as though this is a UI error on the death recap screen. When we tested the ability, only the initial damage from Camo Hunter appears on the death recap even though there's a second proc that hits you (and ends up killing you). The ability is working correct, it's just the display from the recap that is broken. We're working on getting this fixed!
Fan-frigen-tastic , maybe now people will stop sending hate tells accusing of exploitation and cheating when they die.
Camo-Hunter is not bugged, it has 2 procs.
Camo-Proc- 100% from stealth on vamps/daedra
Percentage Proc- 4-15% chance anytime.
The internal CD (1.5 seconds) of the procs only apply to the percentage proc. There is not supposed to be a CD between the 100% stealth proc and the percentage proc.
Now lets say you heavy attack with DW from stealth on a Vamp. That's one Camo proc and 2 hits (DW hits both weapons during a heavy). 2 chances for the percentage proc.
If you use a good combat logger you will see this:
Camo-Hunter: 9000 (Stealth Proc)
Heavy Attack: 9900 ( Main Hand)
Camo-Hunter: 6500 (Percentage Proc)
Heavy Attack (Dual Wield): 6800 ( Off Hand)
The moral of the story is, cure vampirism or slot abilities to counter this because nothing fishy is happening here.
Just FYI, a DW heavy attack will proc 2x Camo Hunter 100% of the time. That second camo hunter proc will ALWAYS happen. There is some proof in my video (you can see the combat log - every time I heavy attack a vampire you see 2 procs of camo hunter), but you should consider testing it yourself. It's easy to test on the undead/daedra in Imperial city, where your DW heavy attacks will nearly 1-shot 66k HP mobs.
You are right, but it only happens on Vamp/Deadra. On humans the DW heavy attack quite often doesn't fire the percentage proc, and never fires the Camo-proc.
It's still an effective 30% chance to proc it on a DW heavy against Vamp/Deadra. And due to the nature of RNG, it's tough to actually test since you can only stealth attack a target once per encounter.
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Kutsuu✭✭✭✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »It appears as though this is a UI error on the death recap screen. When we tested the ability, only the initial damage from Camo Hunter appears on the death recap even though there's a second proc that hits you (and ends up killing you). The ability is working correct, it's just the display from the recap that is broken. We're working on getting this fixed!
Fan-frigen-tastic , maybe now people will stop sending hate tells accusing of exploitation and cheating when they die.
Camo-Hunter is not bugged, it has 2 procs.
Camo-Proc- 100% from stealth on vamps/daedra
Percentage Proc- 4-15% chance anytime.
The internal CD (1.5 seconds) of the procs only apply to the percentage proc. There is not supposed to be a CD between the 100% stealth proc and the percentage proc.
Now lets say you heavy attack with DW from stealth on a Vamp. That's one Camo proc and 2 hits (DW hits both weapons during a heavy). 2 chances for the percentage proc.
If you use a good combat logger you will see this:
Camo-Hunter: 9000 (Stealth Proc)
Heavy Attack: 9900 ( Main Hand)
Camo-Hunter: 6500 (Percentage Proc)
Heavy Attack (Dual Wield): 6800 ( Off Hand)
The moral of the story is, cure vampirism or slot abilities to counter this because nothing fishy is happening here.
Just FYI, a DW heavy attack will proc 2x Camo Hunter 100% of the time. That second camo hunter proc will ALWAYS happen. There is some proof in my video (you can see the combat log - every time I heavy attack a vampire you see 2 procs of camo hunter), but you should consider testing it yourself. It's easy to test on the undead/daedra in Imperial city, where your DW heavy attacks will nearly 1-shot 66k HP mobs.
You are right, but it only happens on Vamp/Deadra. On humans the DW heavy attack quite often doesn't fire the percentage proc, and never fires the Camo-proc.
It's still an effective 30% chance to proc it on a DW heavy against Vamp/Deadra. And due to the nature of RNG, it's tough to actually test since you can only stealth attack a target once per encounter.
Correct, I am specifically referring to camo hunter double proccing against Vampires in PVP. I can also animation cancel a Surprise Attack after the double attack, and can easily drop 30-35k HP vampires with 1 "attack" using this method. Just feels a little too punishing. Even a single camo hunter proc would give me a tremendous advantage, and Heavy>Surprise with only one camo hunter proc would still one shot most <23k hp players.Edited by Kutsuu on December 14, 2015 5:27PMPC/NA
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Xeniph✭✭✭✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »It appears as though this is a UI error on the death recap screen. When we tested the ability, only the initial damage from Camo Hunter appears on the death recap even though there's a second proc that hits you (and ends up killing you). The ability is working correct, it's just the display from the recap that is broken. We're working on getting this fixed!
Fan-frigen-tastic , maybe now people will stop sending hate tells accusing of exploitation and cheating when they die.
Camo-Hunter is not bugged, it has 2 procs.
Camo-Proc- 100% from stealth on vamps/daedra
Percentage Proc- 4-15% chance anytime.
The internal CD (1.5 seconds) of the procs only apply to the percentage proc. There is not supposed to be a CD between the 100% stealth proc and the percentage proc.
Now lets say you heavy attack with DW from stealth on a Vamp. That's one Camo proc and 2 hits (DW hits both weapons during a heavy). 2 chances for the percentage proc.
If you use a good combat logger you will see this:
Camo-Hunter: 9000 (Stealth Proc)
Heavy Attack: 9900 ( Main Hand)
Camo-Hunter: 6500 (Percentage Proc)
Heavy Attack (Dual Wield): 6800 ( Off Hand)
The moral of the story is, cure vampirism or slot abilities to counter this because nothing fishy is happening here.
Just FYI, a DW heavy attack will proc 2x Camo Hunter 100% of the time. That second camo hunter proc will ALWAYS happen. There is some proof in my video (you can see the combat log - every time I heavy attack a vampire you see 2 procs of camo hunter), but you should consider testing it yourself. It's easy to test on the undead/daedra in Imperial city, where your DW heavy attacks will nearly 1-shot 66k HP mobs.
You are right, but it only happens on Vamp/Deadra. On humans the DW heavy attack quite often doesn't fire the percentage proc, and never fires the Camo-proc.
It's still an effective 30% chance to proc it on a DW heavy against Vamp/Deadra. And due to the nature of RNG, it's tough to actually test since you can only stealth attack a target once per encounter.
edit* As a side note, Evil Hunter behaves the same way regarding the percentage proc, or as I call it the "Hunter" proc. That morph just lacks the "Camo" proc .Here since Beta.
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Double camo hunter proc doing 20k with battle spirit is not working as intended, it's clearly bypassing an ICDZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »It appears as though this is a UI error on the death recap screen. When we tested the ability, only the initial damage from Camo Hunter appears on the death recap even though there's a second proc that hits you (and ends up killing you). The ability is working correct, it's just the display from the recap that is broken. We're working on getting this fixed!#MOREORBS4 -
Kutsuu✭✭✭✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »It appears as though this is a UI error on the death recap screen. When we tested the ability, only the initial damage from Camo Hunter appears on the death recap even though there's a second proc that hits you (and ends up killing you). The ability is working correct, it's just the display from the recap that is broken. We're working on getting this fixed!
Fan-frigen-tastic , maybe now people will stop sending hate tells accusing of exploitation and cheating when they die.
Camo-Hunter is not bugged, it has 2 procs.
Camo-Proc- 100% from stealth on vamps/daedra
Percentage Proc- 4-15% chance anytime.
The internal CD (1.5 seconds) of the procs only apply to the percentage proc. There is not supposed to be a CD between the 100% stealth proc and the percentage proc.
Now lets say you heavy attack with DW from stealth on a Vamp. That's one Camo proc and 2 hits (DW hits both weapons during a heavy). 2 chances for the percentage proc.
If you use a good combat logger you will see this:
Camo-Hunter: 9000 (Stealth Proc)
Heavy Attack: 9900 ( Main Hand)
Camo-Hunter: 6500 (Percentage Proc)
Heavy Attack (Dual Wield): 6800 ( Off Hand)
The moral of the story is, cure vampirism or slot abilities to counter this because nothing fishy is happening here.
Just FYI, a DW heavy attack will proc 2x Camo Hunter 100% of the time. That second camo hunter proc will ALWAYS happen. There is some proof in my video (you can see the combat log - every time I heavy attack a vampire you see 2 procs of camo hunter), but you should consider testing it yourself. It's easy to test on the undead/daedra in Imperial city, where your DW heavy attacks will nearly 1-shot 66k HP mobs.
You are right, but it only happens on Vamp/Deadra. On humans the DW heavy attack quite often doesn't fire the percentage proc, and never fires the Camo-proc.
It's still an effective 30% chance to proc it on a DW heavy against Vamp/Deadra. And due to the nature of RNG, it's tough to actually test since you can only stealth attack a target once per encounter.
I've DW heavy attacked enough vampires in PVP to say with 99.999% certainty that camo hunter always double procs when stealth attacking vamps with a DW heavy attack. Sure you can only stealth attack once per encounter, but surely you could spend 10 minutes killing ~20 undead enemies to get your answer. You should go without a double proc at least a few times in 20 if it isn't a 100% chance.Edited by Kutsuu on December 14, 2015 5:40PMPC/NA
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✭Not sure why it made me think of it, but I miss the days when you had a chance to One shot vamps (or any un-dead non-boss) with Silver Shards. I've not used my crossbow since they changed it. Super powers as a Vamp vs. possible death by RNG,,, sounded fair to me. It is suppose to be an affliction ya know, drawbacks and all that.
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Double camo hunter proc doing 20k with battle spirit is not working as intended, it's clearly bypassing an ICDZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »It appears as though this is a UI error on the death recap screen. When we tested the ability, only the initial damage from Camo Hunter appears on the death recap even though there's a second proc that hits you (and ends up killing you). The ability is working correct, it's just the display from the recap that is broken. We're working on getting this fixed!
You seem to be thinking that the stealth component, or the large proc, is double procing. It's not.
There is no, and is not supposed to be, an internal CD between the "Camo" proc and the "Hunter" proc. The internal CD is between the "Hunter" proc.
Just because you disagree with the design of the ability and you feel it's cheezy doesn't mean it isn't working as intended. Because clearly as stated above, it is.Here since Beta.
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Double camo hunter proc doing 20k with battle spirit is not working as intended, it's clearly bypassing an ICDZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »It appears as though this is a UI error on the death recap screen. When we tested the ability, only the initial damage from Camo Hunter appears on the death recap even though there's a second proc that hits you (and ends up killing you). The ability is working correct, it's just the display from the recap that is broken. We're working on getting this fixed!
Agreed.
We gotta keep them one shot mechanics in the game though....
Camo Hunter is the new Lethal Arrow
Anyone remember last year
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/138769/pvp-reduced-to-lethal-arrow/p1
You could have all attributes into health(Health was worth 50% more then stam and magic back then), and still get 1 shot by Lethal Arrow or Heal debuffed stacked....why ZOS leaves this kind of stupid nonsense in the game is beyond me...The only defense against this is to spam a damage shield all the time. I have never been a fan of Vampire as folks can tell from my previous posts, but no one should be 1 shot without even seeing their attacker, especailly at 20k or more health...its just nonsense...
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Xeniph✭✭✭✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »It appears as though this is a UI error on the death recap screen. When we tested the ability, only the initial damage from Camo Hunter appears on the death recap even though there's a second proc that hits you (and ends up killing you). The ability is working correct, it's just the display from the recap that is broken. We're working on getting this fixed!
Fan-frigen-tastic , maybe now people will stop sending hate tells accusing of exploitation and cheating when they die.
Camo-Hunter is not bugged, it has 2 procs.
Camo-Proc- 100% from stealth on vamps/daedra
Percentage Proc- 4-15% chance anytime.
The internal CD (1.5 seconds) of the procs only apply to the percentage proc. There is not supposed to be a CD between the 100% stealth proc and the percentage proc.
Now lets say you heavy attack with DW from stealth on a Vamp. That's one Camo proc and 2 hits (DW hits both weapons during a heavy). 2 chances for the percentage proc.
If you use a good combat logger you will see this:
Camo-Hunter: 9000 (Stealth Proc)
Heavy Attack: 9900 ( Main Hand)
Camo-Hunter: 6500 (Percentage Proc)
Heavy Attack (Dual Wield): 6800 ( Off Hand)
The moral of the story is, cure vampirism or slot abilities to counter this because nothing fishy is happening here.
Just FYI, a DW heavy attack will proc 2x Camo Hunter 100% of the time. That second camo hunter proc will ALWAYS happen. There is some proof in my video (you can see the combat log - every time I heavy attack a vampire you see 2 procs of camo hunter), but you should consider testing it yourself. It's easy to test on the undead/daedra in Imperial city, where your DW heavy attacks will nearly 1-shot 66k HP mobs.
You are right, but it only happens on Vamp/Deadra. On humans the DW heavy attack quite often doesn't fire the percentage proc, and never fires the Camo-proc.
It's still an effective 30% chance to proc it on a DW heavy against Vamp/Deadra. And due to the nature of RNG, it's tough to actually test since you can only stealth attack a target once per encounter.
I've DW heavy attacked enough vampires in PVP to say with 99.999% certainty that camo hunter always double procs when stealth attacking vamps with a DW heavy attack. Sure you can only stealth attack once per encounter, but surely you could spend 10 minutes killing ~20 undead enemies to get your answer. You should go without a double proc at least a few times in 20 if it isn't a 100% chance.
I've been playing this way since release, so yes I can agree with you. However, since we can only test it once per encounter and the way RNG works, it's tough to say for sure.
To properly test, we would need to be able to remain in stealth while continuously heavy attacking a dummy to see if at some point it didn't proc. Which sad to say, we can't do.Here since Beta.
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What are you talking about you don't even know how it works or what is causing the double proc.
Double camo hunter proc doing 20k with battle spirit is not working as intended, it's clearly bypassing an ICDZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »It appears as though this is a UI error on the death recap screen. When we tested the ability, only the initial damage from Camo Hunter appears on the death recap even though there's a second proc that hits you (and ends up killing you). The ability is working correct, it's just the display from the recap that is broken. We're working on getting this fixed!
You seem to be thinking that the stealth component, or the large proc, is double procing. It's not.
There is no, and is not supposed to be, an internal CD between the "Camo" proc and the "Hunter" proc. The internal CD is between the "Hunter" proc.
Just because you disagree with the design of the ability and you feel it's cheezy doesn't mean it isn't working as intended. Because clearly as stated above, it is.
Heavy attacking with dual wield is considered two different attacks it shows in your recap as heavy attack and heavy attack dual wield which makes camo hunter proc twice on a heavy attack. This is bypassing an ICD as you can't do that any other way. So yes, the skill is clearly not working as intended Not only that it is also broken combat designEdited by Nifty2g on December 14, 2015 5:50PM#MOREORBS4 -
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Double camo hunter proc doing 20k with battle spirit is not working as intended, it's clearly bypassing an ICDZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »It appears as though this is a UI error on the death recap screen. When we tested the ability, only the initial damage from Camo Hunter appears on the death recap even though there's a second proc that hits you (and ends up killing you). The ability is working correct, it's just the display from the recap that is broken. We're working on getting this fixed!
You seem to be thinking that the stealth component, or the large proc, is double procing. It's not.
There is no, and is not supposed to be, an internal CD between the "Camo" proc and the "Hunter" proc. The internal CD is between the "Hunter" proc.
Just because you disagree with the design of the ability and you feel it's cheezy doesn't mean it isn't working as intended. Because clearly as stated above, it is.
However, you are wrong. Camo hunter does double proc from stealth (with a 100% chance) in some cases. You can do it with bow animation cancels (heavy attack into a silver shards for example), and you can do it with DW heavy attacks. Camo hunter does proc twice 100% of the time in these scenarios.Edited by Kutsuu on December 14, 2015 5:55PMPC/NA
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Kutsuu✭✭✭✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »It appears as though this is a UI error on the death recap screen. When we tested the ability, only the initial damage from Camo Hunter appears on the death recap even though there's a second proc that hits you (and ends up killing you). The ability is working correct, it's just the display from the recap that is broken. We're working on getting this fixed!
Fan-frigen-tastic , maybe now people will stop sending hate tells accusing of exploitation and cheating when they die.
Camo-Hunter is not bugged, it has 2 procs.
Camo-Proc- 100% from stealth on vamps/daedra
Percentage Proc- 4-15% chance anytime.
The internal CD (1.5 seconds) of the procs only apply to the percentage proc. There is not supposed to be a CD between the 100% stealth proc and the percentage proc.
Now lets say you heavy attack with DW from stealth on a Vamp. That's one Camo proc and 2 hits (DW hits both weapons during a heavy). 2 chances for the percentage proc.
If you use a good combat logger you will see this:
Camo-Hunter: 9000 (Stealth Proc)
Heavy Attack: 9900 ( Main Hand)
Camo-Hunter: 6500 (Percentage Proc)
Heavy Attack (Dual Wield): 6800 ( Off Hand)
The moral of the story is, cure vampirism or slot abilities to counter this because nothing fishy is happening here.
Just FYI, a DW heavy attack will proc 2x Camo Hunter 100% of the time. That second camo hunter proc will ALWAYS happen. There is some proof in my video (you can see the combat log - every time I heavy attack a vampire you see 2 procs of camo hunter), but you should consider testing it yourself. It's easy to test on the undead/daedra in Imperial city, where your DW heavy attacks will nearly 1-shot 66k HP mobs.
You are right, but it only happens on Vamp/Deadra. On humans the DW heavy attack quite often doesn't fire the percentage proc, and never fires the Camo-proc.
It's still an effective 30% chance to proc it on a DW heavy against Vamp/Deadra. And due to the nature of RNG, it's tough to actually test since you can only stealth attack a target once per encounter.
I've DW heavy attacked enough vampires in PVP to say with 99.999% certainty that camo hunter always double procs when stealth attacking vamps with a DW heavy attack. Sure you can only stealth attack once per encounter, but surely you could spend 10 minutes killing ~20 undead enemies to get your answer. You should go without a double proc at least a few times in 20 if it isn't a 100% chance.
I've been playing this way since release, so yes I can agree with you. However, since we can only test it once per encounter and the way RNG works, it's tough to say for sure.
To properly test, we would need to be able to remain in stealth while continuously heavy attacking a dummy to see if at some point it didn't proc. Which sad to say, we can't do.
Don't be delusional. If it only proc'd once guaranteed, and the offhand only had a 15% chance, then you should see it only proc once on at least 85% of attacks. That's 8 out of 10... If you can stealth heavy attack 20 undead enemies and get double camo hunters 100% of the time, that gives a very high level of certainty that the proc rate is 100% - or at least 90+%.
A simple internal cooldown on the attack would probably prevent the double procs from happening.PC/NA
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Kutsuu - Temp
Natsu Dragoneel - DK
Kutsumo - NB1 -
Kutsuu✭✭✭✭✭To be as clear as possible - I don't think camo hunter itself is an issue. My only problem with it is that you can cause double procs from stealth against vamp or transformed WW players. A single guaranteed hit for 6-10k, and a 15% chance to proc it on all subsequent attacks is more than enough of an advantage against vampires.PC/NA
Envy Me - Sorc
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Kutsmuffin - Temp
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Kutsuu - Temp
Natsu Dragoneel - DK
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What are you talking about you don't even know how it works or what is causing the double proc.
Double camo hunter proc doing 20k with battle spirit is not working as intended, it's clearly bypassing an ICDZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »It appears as though this is a UI error on the death recap screen. When we tested the ability, only the initial damage from Camo Hunter appears on the death recap even though there's a second proc that hits you (and ends up killing you). The ability is working correct, it's just the display from the recap that is broken. We're working on getting this fixed!
You seem to be thinking that the stealth component, or the large proc, is double procing. It's not.
There is no, and is not supposed to be, an internal CD between the "Camo" proc and the "Hunter" proc. The internal CD is between the "Hunter" proc.
Just because you disagree with the design of the ability and you feel it's cheezy doesn't mean it isn't working as intended. Because clearly as stated above, it is.
Heavy attacking with dual wield is considered two different attacks it shows in your recap as heavy attack and heavy attack dual wield which makes camo hunter proc twice on a heavy attack. This is bypassing an ICD as you can't do that any other way. So yes, the skill is clearly not working as intended
Ok, I have explained this many, many, many times. But again for those of you in the cheap seats:
A double Camo hunter proc is:
Camo proc- Stealth component of the morph
Hunter Proc- 4%-15% chance to proc
The Camo proc can ONLY proc once, period.
The Hunter proc has an internal CD between procs. ( I believe it's 1.5 seconds)
A DW heavy attack from stealth looks exactly like this on a combat log ( Not flying text or death recap)
Camo Hunter- #### (stealth hit, the entire reason for the morph)
Heavy attack- #### ( Main hand hit)
Camo Hunter-#### ( The 4-15% proc, not related at all to the stealth hit and even has it's own value)
DW Heavy attack- #### ( Off hand weapon hit)
Note# The DW Heavy and the second Camo hunter often change places.
Believe me when I say, I know how this works. I Have not unslotted this ability on my NB since the release of the game and have spent abound 150 days /played ganking in Cyrodill. What people commonly refer to as a "double proc" is the 2 separate valued procs happening on the same ability. NEVER will the stealth component proc twice, EVER.
Now to be even more clear, the internal CD does not apply to the stealth component of Camo Hunter, since that would be completely redundant as it can only happen once per engagement. Now if you are proposing adding a CD between the percentage proc and the stealth proc you should just say so.
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Kutsuu✭✭✭✭✭The camo proc can absolutely proc twice, and does 100% of the time when performing a DW heavy attack from stealth against an undead enemy on which the camo proc works. The fact that you know so much about it, and use it so often, makes me think you know this and you are trying to hide the truth.PC/NA
Envy Me - Sorc
Kutsus - NB
Kutsmuffin - Temp
Kutsuu the Destroyer - NB
Kutsuu - Temp
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I'm just going to reply with that I believe Wrobel already said it's broken and they are including an ICD on the stealth attack coming with TG
What are you talking about you don't even know how it works or what is causing the double proc.
Double camo hunter proc doing 20k with battle spirit is not working as intended, it's clearly bypassing an ICDZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »It appears as though this is a UI error on the death recap screen. When we tested the ability, only the initial damage from Camo Hunter appears on the death recap even though there's a second proc that hits you (and ends up killing you). The ability is working correct, it's just the display from the recap that is broken. We're working on getting this fixed!
You seem to be thinking that the stealth component, or the large proc, is double procing. It's not.
There is no, and is not supposed to be, an internal CD between the "Camo" proc and the "Hunter" proc. The internal CD is between the "Hunter" proc.
Just because you disagree with the design of the ability and you feel it's cheezy doesn't mean it isn't working as intended. Because clearly as stated above, it is.
Heavy attacking with dual wield is considered two different attacks it shows in your recap as heavy attack and heavy attack dual wield which makes camo hunter proc twice on a heavy attack. This is bypassing an ICD as you can't do that any other way. So yes, the skill is clearly not working as intended
Ok, I have explained this many, many, many times. But again for those of you in the cheap seats:
A double Camo hunter proc is:
Camo proc- Stealth component of the morph
Hunter Proc- 4%-15% chance to proc
The Camo proc can ONLY proc once, period.
The Hunter proc has an internal CD between procs. ( I believe it's 1.5 seconds)
A DW heavy attack from stealth looks exactly like this on a combat log ( Not flying text or death recap)
Camo Hunter- #### (stealth hit, the entire reason for the morph)
Heavy attack- #### ( Main hand hit)
Camo Hunter-#### ( The 4-15% proc, not related at all to the stealth hit and even has it's own value)
DW Heavy attack- #### ( Off hand weapon hit)
Note# The DW Heavy and the second Camo hunter often change places.
Believe me when I say, I know how this works. I Have not unslotted this ability on my NB since the release of the game and have spent abound 150 days /played ganking in Cyrodill. What people commonly refer to as a "double proc" is the 2 separate valued procs happening on the same ability. NEVER will the stealth component proc twice, EVER.
Now to be even more clear, the internal CD does not apply to the stealth component of Camo Hunter, since that would be completely redundant as it can only happen once per engagement. Now if you are proposing adding a CD between the percentage proc and the stealth proc you should just say so.
But continue defending your broken skill all you want.
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Kryank✭✭✭The sentry set also gives a 20% damage increase to sneaking enemy's, it's quite easy to buff up with camo, rally & relentless then snipe heavy attack and silver shards will result in a very quick death and hit like a truck. But that is the world of a ganker, it's not nice to get ganked, but out of that specific situation they are not going to hit that hard, and be honest it's not like it happens every time you leave a keep.
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ContraTempo✭✭✭✭Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »Lol ZOS has no idea what's intentional or not. If they feel its too hard or costly to fix it, they will claim its intentional. That's what they did for the delays in templar abilities.
Er? You mean where we have difficulty doing multiple heavy attacks, have weird delays on some skills, etc? I had not realized it was Templar specific. Yeah, no way that mess is intentional, more like random. My toon stands there and gets hammered while I pound keys and get nothing. Got a thread reference on this? I am following two threads about it now but no one has mentioned it being "intentional".
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Xeniph✭✭✭✭✭The camo proc can absolutely proc twice, and does 100% of the time when performing a DW heavy attack from stealth against an undead enemy on which the camo proc works. The fact that you know so much about it, and use it so often, makes me think you know this and you are trying to hide the truth.
Lets just agree to disagree, I would suggest you get recount or another combat log and do some testing though. You will quickly see what I am saying.
As to trying to hide or cover the truth, well it wouldn't matter what I said to that. As we don't know eachother.
I will say I LOVE this playstyle. I absolutely believe one-shots should be in all games. I rather enjoy the rush and fear that comes with being a vamp out of stealth in pvp. Knowing I could get instagibbed any second, unless I hurry and kill my target.
It's the type of gameplay I have enjoyed since DAoC on my Infiltraitor.
Have a nice day
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Kutsuu✭✭✭✭✭I'm using FTC, and you can even see the combat log in the video I posted earlier. I can see exactly what's going on, and I have never had a case where I used a stealth DW heavy attack against an undead enemy where I did not get a double proc of camo hunter.
AGAIN, all I'm asking is that camo hunter just have one automatic proc from stealth. If the offhand has a 15% chance to proc a second one, then so be it, that's ok with me since it's RNG and a not a huge chance. Similar to getting a big crit DW perf on your inf... (long time daoc infiltrator player here too)Edited by Kutsuu on December 14, 2015 6:37PMPC/NA
Envy Me - Sorc
Kutsus - NB
Kutsmuffin - Temp
Kutsuu the Destroyer - NB
Kutsuu - Temp
Natsu Dragoneel - DK
Kutsumo - NB1 -
RatedChaotic✭✭✭✭Love facing undead in pvp. With the Fighters Guild and Camo Hunter buffs. Its your own fault being undead in pvp.0
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✭CrowsDescend wrote: »Hi. I am curious to know if this was ever intended to happen in PvP.
Camouflage Hunter One-shotting a Vampire with 20k Health, and only 1 attack shows on the death recap.
@ZOS
Huh,
I have one shotted Vampires with my Khajiit Templar, with Cammo hunter & snipe. 90% Crit chance and attack from stealth.
My only advice, get the cure for vampirism, or else you face the consequences.....
Nothing to nerf here, your sub-class is broken OP against anything else.
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