@ZOS - Is This Intentional?

Lenikus

Oh i do that sometimes... rather easy actually, it's actually up to 3 or 4 hits happening, you only see the camo hunter proc because of a visual glitch in teh recap tho', because the first attacks from stealth actually don't count because they happen before the 'Entered Combat" you'd get.. so the recap fails to show what skill and/or hit you took before the actual killing blow.

Alcast

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Well, good news and bad news (depending how you feel about this reply). When the original reply was posted a couple days ago, it appeared as though Camo Hunter was working fine. However, after reading some replies here and doing more digging internally, we did find a legit bug where Camo Hunter is unintentionally double procing in some specific cases. We're working on getting this fixed, and thanks to everyone for your replies on this!

Its like this:
Normal Camo proc = 2,5s cooldown
Sneak Proc= no cooldown

and because of the games stupid broken sneak mechanic you can get off several sneak attacks at once.

Lenikus

Alcast wrote: »

and because of the games stupid broken sneak mechanic you can get off several sneak attacks at once.

It's the sneak Heavy attack that's broken, but only when the heavy attack proc's something (second hit from dual wield OR Forceful passive) Otherwise sneak works as intended.

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That's also what causes the 'double proc' from camo hunter.
Camo hunter is okay, DW/2H Heavy attack from stealth isn't

Rylana

How to win the game

Use dual maces
Slot camo hunter
Press control key to go into stealth.
Press camo hunter whenever its duration is up (keep refreshing it)

hold L mouse button down (tape it down)

Walk up slowly to anything glowing

use control key to go back into stealth after your 360 noscope

Extra credit - tap control key repeatedly after every kill on your victims corpse to remind the player that just died of your superior skill tactics and suntzu levels of strategy.

BuggeX

Alcast wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Well, good news and bad news (depending how you feel about this reply). When the original reply was posted a couple days ago, it appeared as though Camo Hunter was working fine. However, after reading some replies here and doing more digging internally, we did find a legit bug where Camo Hunter is unintentionally double procing in some specific cases. We're working on getting this fixed, and thanks to everyone for your replies on this!

Its like this:
Normal Camo proc = 2,5s cooldown
Sneak Proc= no cooldown

and because of the games stupid broken sneak mechanic you can get off several sneak attacks at once.

i just got instakilled in 00:00:00:46 from someone with 3 attacks and 3 camohunters.....

altemriel

report it in-game with /bug !

jrkhan

Etaniel wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Let me put it like this, if you get oneshot IT IS YOUR OWN FAULT. Simple as that, there are MANY ways to counter oneshots, let me list a few option up here:

Most ppl QQ tho: I dont want to slot skills or use gear to prevent me from getting ganked QQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ.

Sorcs: 24/7 shield yourself problem solved, if you dont well l2p
Nbs: 24/7 cloak, cant kill what you dont see, if you dont l2p'
Dks: Flapp your wings 24/7
Temps: well you are screwed because most OP class in the game right? /sarcasm

SKills/Gear that prevent you from getting instagibbd






Then again, many choose to not slot skills/gear that prevents them from getting instagibbed, that is a CHOICE you made. And if you are not aware of that then well l2p.

Then again, Camo is not the issue, broken SNEAK MECHANICs are the issue, when will ppl get that in their head.

@Alcast please.
You are clearly biased on this issue
1. You've been posting tons of videos where you try to oneshot as many people as you can
2. Oneshotting from stealth isn't necessarily done with projectiles so that DK advice should be "flap your wings 24/7 and block 24/7 and if you don't then L2P"

Please explain to me how being able to oneshot people is healthy in a PvP environement

Glass canon builds shouldn't be about oneshotting, but something closer to killing someone in 6-7 seconds.
Oneshotting is PvE, not PvP

Because solo players occasionally being able to get kills against larger groups is healthy for pvp.

If you can't burst someone down before a nearby healer can react the solo player will get 0 kills against groups of 3+, and enjoy their ride back.

Remember, radiant magelight is a group buff.
If one person in a group of 3+ can't be bothered to slot it, then getting one shot is their own fault.

Now, if the game were based around solo, or small groups facing one another, then I'd agree, you shouldn't be Insta gibbing people. But when sides are unbalanced (as they often are) then the solo player needs to be able to kill targets quickly. It doesn't really effect the large group anyway - they just rez their vampire and move on.

Let's say I'm outnumbered and solo defending an outpost or resource, if the solo defender picks up a few kills before ultimately losing the resource, they can feel good about themselves.

That will almost never happen if it takes 6 seconds to take down a target.

Keeping both sides happy (letting the outgunned side occasionally get kills) is healthy for pvp.

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And calling these things one shots isn't really accurate.
Precasting 3-4 buffs, and then actually hitting with 3 abilities.
That's 6-7 seconds of effort to get that 1 second kill

Nifty2g

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Well, good news and bad news (depending how you feel about this reply). When the original reply was posted a couple days ago, it appeared as though Camo Hunter was working fine. However, after reading some replies here and doing more digging internally, we did find a legit bug where Camo Hunter is unintentionally double procing in some specific cases. We're working on getting this fixed, and thanks to everyone for your replies on this!

You're welcome, seeing as no one wanted to actually say what was causing the double proc. Funny that some people still tried to defend it though to keep it in the game, it's a shame players would rather broken combat system instead of fixing it

Molag_Crow

Nifty2g wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Well, good news and bad news (depending how you feel about this reply). When the original reply was posted a couple days ago, it appeared as though Camo Hunter was working fine. However, after reading some replies here and doing more digging internally, we did find a legit bug where Camo Hunter is unintentionally double procing in some specific cases. We're working on getting this fixed, and thanks to everyone for your replies on this!

You're welcome, seeing as no one wanted to actually say what was causing the double proc. Funny that some people still tried to defend it though to keep it in the game, it's a shame players would rather broken combat system instead of fixing it

That's true. We need honest players otherwise the game will just continue down the broken path...

Molag_Crow

altemriel wrote: »

report it in-game with /bug !

That won't do much to be honest.

Ra'Shtar

Alcast wrote: »

Let me put it like this, if you get oneshot IT IS YOUR OWN FAULT. Simple as that, there are MANY ways to counter oneshots, let me list a few option up here:

Most ppl QQ tho: I dont want to slot skills or use gear to prevent me from getting ganked QQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ.

Sorcs: 24/7 shield yourself problem solved, if you dont well l2p
Nbs: 24/7 cloak, cant kill what you dont see, if you dont l2p'
Dks: Flapp your wings 24/7
Temps: well you are screwed because most OP class in the game right? /sarcasm

SKills/Gear that prevent you from getting instagibbd






Then again, many choose to not slot skills/gear that prevents them from getting instagibbed, that is a CHOICE you made. And if you are not aware of that then well l2p.

Then again, Camo is not the issue, broken SNEAK MECHANICs are the issue, when will ppl get that in their head.

This just promotes cookie cutter builds and no build diversity things need to be balanced in a way that doesn't force everyone to use the same gear/skills.

Molag_Crow

Ra'Shtar wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Let me put it like this, if you get oneshot IT IS YOUR OWN FAULT. Simple as that, there are MANY ways to counter oneshots, let me list a few option up here:

Most ppl QQ tho: I dont want to slot skills or use gear to prevent me from getting ganked QQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ.

Sorcs: 24/7 shield yourself problem solved, if you dont well l2p
Nbs: 24/7 cloak, cant kill what you dont see, if you dont l2p'
Dks: Flapp your wings 24/7
Temps: well you are screwed because most OP class in the game right? /sarcasm

SKills/Gear that prevent you from getting instagibbd






Then again, many choose to not slot skills/gear that prevents them from getting instagibbed, that is a CHOICE you made. And if you are not aware of that then well l2p.

Then again, Camo is not the issue, broken SNEAK MECHANICs are the issue, when will ppl get that in their head.

This just promotes cookie cutter builds and no build diversity things need to be balanced in a way that doesn't force everyone to use the same gear/skills.

Agreed... that would just be meh. Camo def needs fixed, at least it's been showing on the recap as multiple hits when I get one-shotted now.

Refuse2GrowUp

Let's just do away with all FG skills so all the whiny (expletives) will stop their QQ. Then vamps can bat swarm/proxy det large groups of players (especially once aoe caps are gone) and get their insta kills (that of course they have no problem with as long as others aren't insta killing them), then stealth up and fast sneak away, but of course be immune to danger.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Well, good news and bad news (depending how you feel about this reply). When the original reply was posted a couple days ago, it appeared as though Camo Hunter was working fine. However, after reading some replies here and doing more digging internally, we did find a legit bug where Camo Hunter is unintentionally double procing in some specific cases. We're working on getting this fixed, and thanks to everyone for your replies on this!

This does not necessarily mean that Camo Hunter is broken in all regards. Not everyone whining here about 'insta kills' may be experiencing a double proc bug. Notice Gina mentioned "unintentionally double procing in some specific cases". Some of you cry babies are very simply getting killed by Camo Hunter, as it is intended - because you are a vampire. If you do not like it, get rid of vampirism. Or don't...but stop your cry baby bull(poop).

Molag_Crow

Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »

Let's just do away with all FG skills so all the whiny (expletives) will stop their QQ. Then vamps can bat swarm/proxy det large groups of players (especially once aoe caps are gone) and get their insta kills (that of course they have no problem with as long as others aren't insta killing them), then stealth up and fast sneak away, but of course be immune to danger.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Well, good news and bad news (depending how you feel about this reply). When the original reply was posted a couple days ago, it appeared as though Camo Hunter was working fine. However, after reading some replies here and doing more digging internally, we did find a legit bug where Camo Hunter is unintentionally double procing in some specific cases. We're working on getting this fixed, and thanks to everyone for your replies on this!

This does not necessarily mean that Camo Hunter is broken in all regards. Not everyone whining here about 'insta kills' may be experiencing a double proc bug. Notice Gina mentioned "unintentionally double procing in some specific cases". Some of you cry babies are very simply getting killed by Camo Hunter, as it is intended - because you are a vampire. If you do not like it, get rid of vampirism. Or don't...but stop your cry baby bull(poop).

You really live up to your forum name, don't cha.

Refuse2GrowUp

CrowsDescend wrote: »

Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »

Let's just do away with all FG skills so all the whiny (expletives) will stop their QQ. Then vamps can bat swarm/proxy det large groups of players (especially once aoe caps are gone) and get their insta kills (that of course they have no problem with as long as others aren't insta killing them), then stealth up and fast sneak away, but of course be immune to danger.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Well, good news and bad news (depending how you feel about this reply). When the original reply was posted a couple days ago, it appeared as though Camo Hunter was working fine. However, after reading some replies here and doing more digging internally, we did find a legit bug where Camo Hunter is unintentionally double procing in some specific cases. We're working on getting this fixed, and thanks to everyone for your replies on this!

This does not necessarily mean that Camo Hunter is broken in all regards. Not everyone whining here about 'insta kills' may be experiencing a double proc bug. Notice Gina mentioned "unintentionally double procing in some specific cases". Some of you cry babies are very simply getting killed by Camo Hunter, as it is intended - because you are a vampire. If you do not like it, get rid of vampirism. Or don't...but stop your cry baby bull(poop).

You really live up to your forum name, don't cha.

Every moment of my life

Lenikus

People no longer place 20+ or 30+ points in HP.
That's why you get one-shot'd in PvP. AND in Maelstrom. And in any other vet/endgame content.

And yea, there is a bug on stealth that causes Camo Hunter (a skill that procs from stealth) to occasionally double proc since you attack without breaking stealth repeated times. But Camo Hunter is okay. Stealth mechanics in one specific way aren't.

/thread.

LBxFinalDeath

I remember using camo hunter on a vamp in IC's Arena district, he kept spamming magicka det on my guys then popping bats and steel tornado spamming so I just singled him out.

He left after getting instakilled 6 times and came back 20 minutes later with tanned skin.

I lol'd hard.

In all seriousness though, its only really that effective of a skill if you catch someone just sitting there since it only procs for that kind of damage if you catch someone from stealth...as in actual crouch stealth not Nightblade stealth (I've tried...it doesn't work.)

I've had it proc on me from non-stealth cuz 4% chance and it only does 2 to 4K damage opposed to 10-30K from stealth if they are a Vampire...or a werewolf in werewolf form.

This is one rare case where being a Werewolf is sorta better since people can't really sneak up on a WW since if you're in the form you're prolly already fighting the would be instakiller.

Molag_Crow

Lenikus wrote: »

People no longer place 20+ or 30+ points in HP.
That's why you get one-shot'd in PvP. AND in Maelstrom. And in any other vet/endgame content.

And yea, there is a bug on stealth that causes Camo Hunter (a skill that procs from stealth) to occasionally double proc since you attack without breaking stealth repeated times. But Camo Hunter is okay. Stealth mechanics in one specific way aren't.

/thread.

You only need like 19-23k HP in PvP, though that might change due to the upcoming siege weapon buffs. I would not PvE without 25k-ish HP.