@ZOS - Is This Intentional?

Helluin

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

It appears as though this is a UI error on the death recap screen. When we tested the ability, only the initial damage from Camo Hunter appears on the death recap even though there's a second proc that hits you (and ends up killing you). The ability is working correct, it's just the display from the recap that is broken. We're working on getting this fixed!

From sneak with DW heavy attack cancelled by a skill you get Camo Hunter damage from sneak + 2/3 procs (for example: Camo hunter sneak+Camo hunter proc+heavy attack+heavy attack DW+Camo hunter proc+Surprise Attack >> this lands all at the same time; using Silver Shard you can get sometimes an additional Camo hunter proc).

Doing so with two targets close to each other, if you are enough fast:
- the first target gets killed in one hit (since all written before lands at the same time)
- you don't even go out of sneak
- then you attack the second target with the same combo

Basically you kill two targets in 2 seconds or so since you stay in sneak and you get the sneak bonus attack on both targets.
On the second target you get also a damage bonus probably because of Slaughter or Ruffian of DW uncorrectly applying on the second one.

I tested it both in IC vs mobs and in PvP.
Sorry but it doesn't seem to work properly as already Wrobel wrote in another topic.

Destyran

Alcast dk build

GreenSoup2HoT

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

It appears as though this is a UI error on the death recap screen. When we tested the ability, only the initial damage from Camo Hunter appears on the death recap even though there's a second proc that hits you (and ends up killing you). The ability is working correct, it's just the display from the recap that is broken. We're working on getting this fixed!

"The ability is working correct" This is a joke right?


Taken from Wrobel's AoE cap thread.

Here are some additional issues we’re considering based on your feedback from this thread:

"Cammo hunter stealth attacks can double proc, killing targets very quickly"

This need's a fix asap , this should of been fixed age's ago. Why are vampire's getting so shafted in pvp. We already take 9% extra weapon damage from fighter's guild passive's. Not to mention dawnbreaker and extra damage to fire vampire's have to go out of there way and mitigate.

Vampire's really need some love.

david31741

I was playing my Sorc this weekend....full shields up - 20k - full health 20k

I got insta rect multiple times by the same 3 or 4 folks this weekend - all Bow builds during keep fights and with one NB pulling some lag/cancelling BS repeatedly on me - one shot me from stealth every time - death screen was that of a typical an animation cancelling/macro player.

All death screens showed Camo - and yeah I'm a vamp.

Insta kills shouldn't happen in pvp - and Vamp is nowhere near strong enough these days to warrant 1 or 2 shot = dead.

Wizzo91

Seems like a death recap bug. I can kill people that fast with a heavy attack (dw) when Camo Hunter procs out of stealth if I'm lucky. It procs often on undead and sometimes on normal targets.

Troneon

david31741 wrote: »

I was playing my Sorc this weekend....full shields up - 20k - full health 20k

I got insta rect multiple times by the same 3 or 4 folks this weekend - all Bow builds during keep fights and with one NB pulling some lag/cancelling BS repeatedly on me - one shot me from stealth every time - death screen was that of a typical an animation cancelling/macro player.

All death screens showed Camo - and yeah I'm a vamp.

Insta kills shouldn't happen in pvp - and Vamp is nowhere near strong enough these days to warrant 1 or 2 shot = dead.

They are completely clueless...

MalaVrazica

Let me join on this fun:




Props to @Overbowed

Docmandu

Xeniph wrote: »

I will say I LOVE this playstyle. I absolutely believe one-shots should be in all games. I rather enjoy the rush and fear that comes with being a vamp out of stealth in pvp. Knowing I could get instagibbed any second, unless I hurry and kill my target.
It's the type of gameplay I have enjoyed since DAoC on my Infiltraitor.

Have a nice day

What target?! People do these 1-shots from stealth... there is no "hurry and kill target".. it's 1 second you're alive, the next one you're dead.

It's bad PvP imho.. and doesn't belong in games like these.. I'd be ok if there was a slim chance to get a lucky proc that insta gibs somebody.. but as it currently is, 9/10 times you instagib a vamp with this camo double proc crap.

That style belongs to UT InstaGib mods...


People like to defend the mechanic by stating being a vamp should have downsides.. but then forget the reduced health regen, the 9% more weapon dmg people do to you (fighter guild passive), the knockdown on silver shards, the pull on silver leash, the proc from either hunter morphs (when it's working as intended), the extra fire damage.... so on top of that, you guys seem to think being 1-shot 9 out of 10 times is somehow the proper downside to being a vamp.

Personofsecrets

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Thanks guys, we'll take a look and see if this is an issue with Camo Hunter or the death recap UI.

It's an issue with camo hunter. There is someone I know who literally talks about how broken this skill is and how they get it to proc multiple times.

Molag_Crow

Personofsecrets wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Thanks guys, we'll take a look and see if this is an issue with Camo Hunter or the death recap UI.

It's an issue with camo hunter. There is someone I know who literally talks about how broken this skill is and how they get it to proc multiple times.

Indeed

Molag_Crow

MalaVrazica wrote: »

Let me join on this fun:




Props to @Overbowed

Wow... o.O

Shelgon

Alcast wrote: »

Let me put it like this, if you get oneshot IT IS YOUR OWN FAULT. Simple as that, there are MANY ways to counter oneshots, let me list a few option up here:

Most ppl QQ tho: I dont want to slot skills or use gear to prevent me from getting ganked QQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ.

Sorcs: 24/7 shield yourself problem solved, if you dont well l2p
Nbs: 24/7 cloak, cant kill what you dont see, if you dont l2p'
Dks: Flapp your wings 24/7
Temps: well you are screwed because most OP class in the game right? /sarcasm

SKills/Gear that prevent you from getting instagibbd






Then again, many choose to not slot skills/gear that prevents them from getting instagibbed, that is a CHOICE you made. And if you are not aware of that then well l2p.

Then again, Camo is not the issue, broken SNEAK MECHANICs are the issue, when will ppl get that in their head.

Isn't camo actually broken with DW though? Or if you do 2 attacks at the same time? Since dual wield hits twice, naturally, camo procs twice, same for doing 2 attacks extremely fast. Other than that, yeah you're completely right.

EDIT: From stealth of course.*

eliisra

MalaVrazica wrote: »

Let me join on this fun:




Props to @Overbowed

How can this be "indented" lol? Where did Battle Spirit go? Camouflage Hunter proc's doing more dmg than skills and ultimates.

Imagine if my templar Burning Light proc's, did 19k dmg in less than 1 second...

This is one of the worse game designs I ever seen in any MMORPG. If working as indented, should at least be subject to change. Especially since they're selling WW/vamp for 1.5k crowns and this is the unavoidable outcome as soon as the poor newbie enters PvP.

dsalter

the skill itself morphed or not has been one of the buggiest things in the game, if anything they need to completely rework it. multiple times has it needed to be fixed in several ways.

Cyantific87

It's an awful, poorly thought out ability but just know, if you are lucky enough to not die and you then drop a detect pot, you will absolutely ruin that gankers day because it is almost 100% likely that he has no skill or ability to counter a fair 1v1 situation.

queue the flaming.

Ganking = no skill. just fotm copied, boring builds.

Kutsuu

ads1 wrote: »

It's an awful, poorly thought out ability but just know, if you are lucky enough to not die and you then drop a detect pot, you will absolutely ruin that gankers day because it is almost 100% likely that he has no skill or ability to counter a fair 1v1 situation.

queue the flaming.

Ganking = no skill. just fotm copied, boring builds.

Assuming that every player using a high weapon damage build with camo hunter on a bar is terrible, and using that as an excuse for why the ability doesn't need any adjustments is silly. There are plenty of good players who run high weapon damage builds. Camo hunter is perfect for min/maxing burst damage on stamina builds. It procs off caltrops, light/heavy attacks, abilities, and bash. It gives 10% crit chance. It makes vamps an easy 1-shot from stealth. Even against non-vamps the 4% chance is useful to occasionally lay down some extra unexpected burst.

Glory

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

It appears as though this is a UI error on the death recap screen. When we tested the ability, only the initial damage from Camo Hunter appears on the death recap even though there's a second proc that hits you (and ends up killing you). The ability is working correct, it's just the display from the recap that is broken. We're working on getting this fixed!

Thanks for clarifying. @ZOS_GinaBruno Can you explain the reasoning behind a skill as powerful as this not having a cooldown? There are many things in game that have a cooldown to prevent them from being too powerful (flame lash exploit, skoria, etc.). It seems like putting a ~2-3 second cooldown on this skill would balance it while leaving it still extremely powerful.

@Wrobel clarified that this multiproc doesn't appear to be intentional: "Cammo hunter stealth attacks can double proc, killing targets very quickly"

ZOS_GinaBruno

Well, good news and bad news (depending how you feel about this reply). When the original reply was posted a couple days ago, it appeared as though Camo Hunter was working fine. However, after reading some replies here and doing more digging internally, we did find a legit bug where Camo Hunter is unintentionally double procing in some specific cases. We're working on getting this fixed, and thanks to everyone for your replies on this!

revonine

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Well, good news and bad news (depending how you feel about this reply). When the original reply was posted a couple days ago, it appeared as though Camo Hunter was working fine. However, after reading some replies here and doing more digging internally, we did find a legit bug where Camo Hunter is unintentionally double procing in some specific cases. We're working on getting this fixed, and thanks to everyone for your replies on this!

Curious I wonder if that includes dual wield heavy attack?

Xantaria

revonine wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Well, good news and bad news (depending how you feel about this reply). When the original reply was posted a couple days ago, it appeared as though Camo Hunter was working fine. However, after reading some replies here and doing more digging internally, we did find a legit bug where Camo Hunter is unintentionally double procing in some specific cases. We're working on getting this fixed, and thanks to everyone for your replies on this!

Curious I wonder if that includes dual wield heavy attack?

Probably.

Etaniel

Alcast wrote: »

Let me put it like this, if you get oneshot IT IS YOUR OWN FAULT. Simple as that, there are MANY ways to counter oneshots, let me list a few option up here:

Most ppl QQ tho: I dont want to slot skills or use gear to prevent me from getting ganked QQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ.

Sorcs: 24/7 shield yourself problem solved, if you dont well l2p
Nbs: 24/7 cloak, cant kill what you dont see, if you dont l2p'
Dks: Flapp your wings 24/7
Temps: well you are screwed because most OP class in the game right? /sarcasm

SKills/Gear that prevent you from getting instagibbd






Then again, many choose to not slot skills/gear that prevents them from getting instagibbed, that is a CHOICE you made. And if you are not aware of that then well l2p.

Then again, Camo is not the issue, broken SNEAK MECHANICs are the issue, when will ppl get that in their head.

@Alcast please.
You are clearly biased on this issue
1. You've been posting tons of videos where you try to oneshot as many people as you can
2. Oneshotting from stealth isn't necessarily done with projectiles so that DK advice should be "flap your wings 24/7 and block 24/7 and if you don't then L2P"

Please explain to me how being able to oneshot people is healthy in a PvP environement

Glass canon builds shouldn't be about oneshotting, but something closer to killing someone in 6-7 seconds.
Oneshotting is PvE, not PvP

Molag_Crow

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Well, good news and bad news (depending how you feel about this reply). When the original reply was posted a couple days ago, it appeared as though Camo Hunter was working fine. However, after reading some replies here and doing more digging internally, we did find a legit bug where Camo Hunter is unintentionally double procing in some specific cases. We're working on getting this fixed, and thanks to everyone for your replies on this!

Thanks for reading through the comments and looking into this more.

Legedric

Etaniel wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Let me put it like this, if you get oneshot IT IS YOUR OWN FAULT. Simple as that, there are MANY ways to counter oneshots, let me list a few option up here:

Most ppl QQ tho: I dont want to slot skills or use gear to prevent me from getting ganked QQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ.

Sorcs: 24/7 shield yourself problem solved, if you dont well l2p
Nbs: 24/7 cloak, cant kill what you dont see, if you dont l2p'
Dks: Flapp your wings 24/7
Temps: well you are screwed because most OP class in the game right? /sarcasm

SKills/Gear that prevent you from getting instagibbd






Then again, many choose to not slot skills/gear that prevents them from getting instagibbed, that is a CHOICE you made. And if you are not aware of that then well l2p.

Then again, Camo is not the issue, broken SNEAK MECHANICs are the issue, when will ppl get that in their head.

@Alcast please.
You are clearly biased on this issue
1. You've been posting tons of videos where you try to oneshot as many people as you can
2. Oneshotting from stealth isn't necessarily done with projectiles so that DK advice should be "flap your wings 24/7 and block 24/7 and if you don't then L2P"

Please explain to me how being able to oneshot people is healthy in a PvP environement

Glass canon builds shouldn't be about oneshotting, but something closer to killing someone in 6-7 seconds.
Oneshotting is PvE, not PvP

Amen!

sirinsidiator

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Well, good news and bad news (depending how you feel about this reply). When the original reply was posted a couple days ago, it appeared as though Camo Hunter was working fine. However, after reading some replies here and doing more digging internally, we did find a legit bug where Camo Hunter is unintentionally double procing in some specific cases. We're working on getting this fixed, and thanks to everyone for your replies on this!

While you are at it, could you please also fix the broken duration refresh of camo hunter? This is more or less an exploit because the player does not have to recast camo hunter anymore once he killed an undead and it has been around since at least 6 month.

Darlgon

MalaVrazica wrote: »

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Props to @Overbowed

SIgh.. USELESS tooltips..

1. Really? Maybe in PVE universes.. WHY DOES THIS EVEN POP UP IN CYRODIIL/IC?
2. Good idea. IF THE PLAYER WAS ATTACKING WHEN HE DIED, instead of being one-shot from stealth.
3. Dont see any control effects to break.. and if you get ONE-SHOT, YOU CAN NOT BLOCK, DODGE, ROLL, OR INTERRUPT..You just fall over dead.

@ZOS_GinaBruno Tell the boys we need tooltips that actually mean something. Thnks.

Kutsuu

sirinsidiator wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Well, good news and bad news (depending how you feel about this reply). When the original reply was posted a couple days ago, it appeared as though Camo Hunter was working fine. However, after reading some replies here and doing more digging internally, we did find a legit bug where Camo Hunter is unintentionally double procing in some specific cases. We're working on getting this fixed, and thanks to everyone for your replies on this!

While you are at it, could you please also fix the broken duration refresh of camo hunter? This is more or less an exploit because the player does not have to recast camo hunter anymore once he killed an undead and it has been around since at least 6 month.

Uhh... that was fixed quite a while ago. Maybe in IC patch. It now only refreshes the duration, it doesn't add extra duration like it did before.

found1779

Please look into batswarm also then its doin something it's not suppose to be doing 3 people took out 15 people the other day in the sewers when they all spammed batswarm this isn't suppose to happen

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Well, good news and bad news (depending how you feel about this reply). When the original reply was posted a couple days ago, it appeared as though Camo Hunter was working fine. However, after reading some replies here and doing more digging internally, we did find a legit bug where Camo Hunter is unintentionally double procing in some specific cases. We're working on getting this fixed, and thanks to everyone for your replies on this!

Kutsuu

found1779 wrote: »

Please look into batswarm also then its doin something it's not suppose to be doing 3 people took out 15 people the other day in the sewers when they all spammed batswarm this isn't suppose to happen

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Well, good news and bad news (depending how you feel about this reply). When the original reply was posted a couple days ago, it appeared as though Camo Hunter was working fine. However, after reading some replies here and doing more digging internally, we did find a legit bug where Camo Hunter is unintentionally double procing in some specific cases. We're working on getting this fixed, and thanks to everyone for your replies on this!

If all 15 people just stand around in it for 5 seconds they all deserve to die. There are plenty of ways to reduce or avoid the damage, or move out of range of the bats. There is no "spamming" bats - it costs ~158 ultimate (little less as Sorc) at stage 4 vampirism, and requires gaining that much ultimate to use it again.

found1779

Kutsuu wrote: »

found1779 wrote: »

Please look into batswarm also then its doin something it's not suppose to be doing 3 people took out 15 people the other day in the sewers when they all spammed batswarm this isn't suppose to happen

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Well, good news and bad news (depending how you feel about this reply). When the original reply was posted a couple days ago, it appeared as though Camo Hunter was working fine. However, after reading some replies here and doing more digging internally, we did find a legit bug where Camo Hunter is unintentionally double procing in some specific cases. We're working on getting this fixed, and thanks to everyone for your replies on this!

If all 15 people just stand around in it for 5 seconds they all deserve to die. There are plenty of ways to reduce or avoid the damage, or move out of range of the bats. There is no "spamming" bats - it costs ~158 ultimate (little less as Sorc) at stage 4 vampirism, and requires gaining that much ultimate to use it again.

We was at a portal fighting and they came out of stealth nightblades and attacked us they took us all out either way you look at it batswarm shouldn't have been able to do this and no we didn't all just stand there

Refuse2GrowUp

found1779 wrote: »

Please look into batswarm also then its doin something it's not suppose to be doing 3 people took out 15 people the other day in the sewers when they all spammed batswarm this isn't suppose to happen

I am sure they had proxy det up as well, were fully buffed, and weaved in a couple other attacks. Unfortunately, it is supposed to happen. It's not hard to take down a tightly clustered group if they are caught off guard. It has happened to me on more occasions than I care to admit, and I have done it to others. Probably worth spreading out a little bit and anticipating this (especially if you already saw enemy NBs creeping around). Also, when I am running a farming group into the sewers, I always ask what ultimates team mates are running and make them call it out if they use it (so we automatically assume if we hear a meteor or end up in a bat swarm that it is enemy and we need to roll out quick) and we save ultimates for PvP encounters (they are not needed for PvE in the sewers and everyone having an ultimate ready can quickly put an end to gankers).