@ZOS - Is This Intentional?

revonine · December 2015

First lets start calling this being killed instantly instead of one shot because the arguments over it are a bit silly.

Secondly being a vamp should have drawbacks sure..but this is no drawback or counter it's just simply downright punishing.

This isn't in line with the Cyrodill buff changes it was suppose to increase the time to kill and give you a chance to fight back.

Gilvoth · December 2015

Troneon wrote: »

PvP will always be trash in this game with stuff like this happening every month...like since forever..

Something is always bugged, broken, exploited or just unbalanced and they take months and half a dozen updates to fix and then they break something else....

PvP will be dead soon except for those that get off on running gank builds and exploits.

that is a horrible reality. but i think your right, and i wish it was not true.

Molag_Crow · December 2015

Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

Holycannoli wrote: »

Guys it's not a big deal, it's just a single skill. You can spend stamina by activating weapon abilities, blocking, dodging, sprinting, interrupting, or removing control effects.

wut? you think being one shot is not a big deal?

I don't think Camo Hunter is one-shotting anyone. I think it more likely that the death recap involving camo hunter is bugged and not showing all damage taken. Just like it is more than likely that the 13k damage in the OP is most likely not the only damage taken, nor even the damage dealt by camo hunter alone, but rather a bugged death recap that isn't properly accounting for all damage taken. Much akin to how some weaves/animation cancels don't show all the skills you were hit with.

@Xantaria has a thread tracking current known bugs and exploits. This is something that requires a little more research and might be suitable for inclusion on hit list.

It is though. It just 1-shotted me in the video, it doesn't matter whether or not the other 7k damage was done by a spud or a lettuce, because the 13k camo hunter was caught red handed at the scene of a literal 1-shot death. ^^

I have not seen the video, but if the death recap shows only Camo Hunter, then it is a bug. Camo Hunter is not a skill, but rather a skill buff. You had to have been attacked with something else to proc it, yet that skill, light, or heavy attack is not showing.

Of course but watch the video when you can and you'll see what I mean

Refuse2GrowUp · December 2015

CrowsDescend wrote: »

Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

Holycannoli wrote: »

Guys it's not a big deal, it's just a single skill. You can spend stamina by activating weapon abilities, blocking, dodging, sprinting, interrupting, or removing control effects.

wut? you think being one shot is not a big deal?

I don't think Camo Hunter is one-shotting anyone. I think it more likely that the death recap involving camo hunter is bugged and not showing all damage taken. Just like it is more than likely that the 13k damage in the OP is most likely not the only damage taken, nor even the damage dealt by camo hunter alone, but rather a bugged death recap that isn't properly accounting for all damage taken. Much akin to how some weaves/animation cancels don't show all the skills you were hit with.

@Xantaria has a thread tracking current known bugs and exploits. This is something that requires a little more research and might be suitable for inclusion on hit list.

It is though. It just 1-shotted me in the video, it doesn't matter whether or not the other 7k damage was done by a spud or a lettuce, because the 13k camo hunter was caught red handed at the scene of a literal 1-shot death. ^^

I have not seen the video, but if the death recap shows only Camo Hunter, then it is a bug. Camo Hunter is not a skill, but rather a skill buff. You had to have been attacked with something else to proc it, yet that skill, light, or heavy attack is not showing.

Of course but watch the video when you can and you'll see what I mean

Watched it. It is hard to tell, but it almost sounds like you are hit by Flying Blade.

Anyway, my points stands. Your death recap isn't very telling at all and therefore we cannot assume it was Camo Hunter that is fully responsible for your death. I.e., you were hit by Snipe, Flying Blade, a fully charged heavy attack (or likely a weave of some sort that hits simultaneously) or some other skill that Camo Hunter could proc off of. Yet whatever skill(s) you were hit with do not show on your death recap...only Camo Hunter. That tells me it likely was not Camo Hunter alone that killed you and it probably wasn't even a Camo Hunter hit for 13.5k even tho that is all that the death recap shows. The death recap is bugged. Sucks you were unlucky enough to get a Camo Hunter proc if you were not undead (4% chance), or even that it killed you if you were undead, but I think that more about this video needs investigating and simply blaming it on Camo Hunter may be a bit over-stepping.

That all said, in the Wrobal notes posted by @The_Baconater, it does mention an issue with Camo Hunter double Proc'ing. 13.5K damage may be consistent with a double proc (as half that damage seems more reasonable for a single Camo Hunter proc).

Knootewoot · December 2015

Death recap is very unreliable. I still don't understand people look at it and say.. wow I died in 1 second from 50 attacks HAX SPLOITERS

The fact is, it is totally not accurate due to

- bad coding in the game. And it won't be fixed anytime soon.
- Lag
- Animation cancelling
- Bugs

Molag_Crow · December 2015

Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

Holycannoli wrote: »

Guys it's not a big deal, it's just a single skill. You can spend stamina by activating weapon abilities, blocking, dodging, sprinting, interrupting, or removing control effects.

wut? you think being one shot is not a big deal?

I don't think Camo Hunter is one-shotting anyone. I think it more likely that the death recap involving camo hunter is bugged and not showing all damage taken. Just like it is more than likely that the 13k damage in the OP is most likely not the only damage taken, nor even the damage dealt by camo hunter alone, but rather a bugged death recap that isn't properly accounting for all damage taken. Much akin to how some weaves/animation cancels don't show all the skills you were hit with.

@Xantaria has a thread tracking current known bugs and exploits. This is something that requires a little more research and might be suitable for inclusion on hit list.

It is though. It just 1-shotted me in the video, it doesn't matter whether or not the other 7k damage was done by a spud or a lettuce, because the 13k camo hunter was caught red handed at the scene of a literal 1-shot death. ^^

I have not seen the video, but if the death recap shows only Camo Hunter, then it is a bug. Camo Hunter is not a skill, but rather a skill buff. You had to have been attacked with something else to proc it, yet that skill, light, or heavy attack is not showing.

Of course but watch the video when you can and you'll see what I mean

Watched it. It is hard to tell, but it almost sounds like you are hit by Flying Blade.

Anyway, my points stands. Your death recap isn't very telling at all and therefore we cannot assume it was Camo Hunter that is fully responsible for your death. I.e., you were hit by Snipe, Flying Blade, a fully charged heavy attack (or likely a weave of some sort that hits simultaneously) or some other skill that Camo Hunter could proc off of. Yet whatever skill(s) you were hit with do not show on your death recap...only Camo Hunter. That tells me it likely was not Camo Hunter alone that killed you and it probably wasn't even a Camo Hunter hit for 13.5k even tho that is all that the death recap shows. The death recap is bugged. Sucks you were unlucky enough to get a Camo Hunter proc if you were not undead (4% chance), or even that it killed you if you were undead, but I think that more about this video needs investigating and simply blaming it on Camo Hunter may be a bit over-stepping.

That all said, in the Wrobal notes posted by @The_Baconater, it does mention an issue with Camo Hunter double Proc'ing. 13.5K damage may be consistent with a double proc (as half that damage seems more reasonable for a single Camo Hunter proc).

It really doesn't matter what other skill he used and it doesn't matter if the death recap is bugged, the fact is, I got one-shotted before even seeing him. THAT in itself speaks volumes, and for camo hunter to be the only suspect on the death recap, whether it's bugged or not, just goes to show how messed up camo hunter is. It isn't a rare occasion, camo hunter is responsible for many deaths as people keep complaining about it being the main culprit on the death recaps. I've been almost one-shotted by a well-geared Nightblade from stealth in the past, with a combo of Surprise Attacks and Heavy Attacks, that still gave me a chance to heal/move because it wasn't a literal one-shot - camo hunter wasn't involved. Camo Hunter is the only ability (proc/passive whatever) that messes targets up like a wrecking ball to a shed.

It's okay if you want to deny it though, I don't blame you if you, yourself use camo hunter frequently and want to defend it from potential nerfs, etc.

Molag_Crow · December 2015

Knootewoot wrote: »

Death recap is very unreliable. I still don't understand people look at it and say.. wow I died in 1 second from 50 attacks HAX SPLOITERS

The fact is, it is totally not accurate due to

- bad coding in the game. And it won't be fixed anytime soon.
- Lag
- Animation cancelling
- Bugs

Death recap is very unreliable, yes... but that doesn't me the guy managed to even dish out 2-3 attacks, if you place your cursor over the very start of the video and spam click it to keep watching the part where I die, with your sound on too, while looking at my health on the top left.

I was sitting in sneak and the eye slowly opened, no sounds from snipe, nothing. Just the initial sound of what I can only describe as a gunshot/crossbow & death.

Knootewoot · December 2015

CrowsDescend wrote: »

Knootewoot wrote: »

Death recap is very unreliable. I still don't understand people look at it and say.. wow I died in 1 second from 50 attacks HAX SPLOITERS

The fact is, it is totally not accurate due to

- bad coding in the game. And it won't be fixed anytime soon.
- Lag
- Animation cancelling
- Bugs

Death recap is very unreliable, yes... but that doesn't me the guy managed to even dish out 2-3 attacks, if you place your cursor over the very start of the video and spam click it to keep watching the part where I die, with your sound on too, while looking at my health on the top left.

I was sitting in sneak and the eye slowly opened, no sounds from snipe, nothing. Just the initial sound of what I can only describe as a gunshot/crossbow & death.

Looks like lag to me. Yesterday I was sitting behind a rock hiding from EP and AD who were fighting while I tossed caltrops over the rocks to leech some free AP. While suddenly I hear a whiss sound. Dead in 1 second. Death recap:

Lethal arrow
Camo hunter
light attack
befoulded weapon
Lethal weapon.

2 lethal arrow attacks in 1 second. Looks like lag+animation cancelling to me and maybe a bugged death recap on top of it. Perhaps he only did one lethal arrow followed by a light attack procced with camo and befouled from stealth. Then the 1 second death actually makes sense.

Molag_Crow · December 2015

Knootewoot wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

Knootewoot wrote: »

Death recap is very unreliable. I still don't understand people look at it and say.. wow I died in 1 second from 50 attacks HAX SPLOITERS

The fact is, it is totally not accurate due to

- bad coding in the game. And it won't be fixed anytime soon.
- Lag
- Animation cancelling
- Bugs

Death recap is very unreliable, yes... but that doesn't me the guy managed to even dish out 2-3 attacks, if you place your cursor over the very start of the video and spam click it to keep watching the part where I die, with your sound on too, while looking at my health on the top left.

I was sitting in sneak and the eye slowly opened, no sounds from snipe, nothing. Just the initial sound of what I can only describe as a gunshot/crossbow & death.

Looks like lag to me. Yesterday I was sitting behind a rock hiding from EP and AD who were fighting while I tossed caltrops over the rocks to leech some free AP. While suddenly I hear a whiss sound. Dead in 1 second. Death recap:

Lethal arrow
Camo hunter
light attack
befoulded weapon
Lethal weapon.

2 lethal arrow attacks in 1 second. Looks like lag+animation cancelling to me and maybe a bugged death recap on top of it. Perhaps he only did one lethal arrow followed by a light attack procced with camo and befouled from stealth. Then the 1 second death actually makes sense.

Yeah... I see what you mean. That doesn't surprise me either... definitely a case of animation cancelling/lag along with the camo proc... it's terrible. And people go "l2p and block/dodge roll omggggg"

Xantaria · December 2015

Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

Holycannoli wrote: »

Guys it's not a big deal, it's just a single skill. You can spend stamina by activating weapon abilities, blocking, dodging, sprinting, interrupting, or removing control effects.

wut? you think being one shot is not a big deal?

I don't think Camo Hunter is one-shotting anyone. I think it more likely that the death recap involving camo hunter is bugged and not showing all damage taken. Just like it is more than likely that the 13k damage in the OP is most likely not the only damage taken, nor even the damage dealt by camo hunter alone, but rather a bugged death recap that isn't properly accounting for all damage taken. Much akin to how some weaves/animation cancels don't show all the skills you were hit with.

@Xantaria has a thread tracking current known bugs and exploits. This is something that requires a little more research and might be suitable for inclusion on hit list.

I am myself playing a one-shot build like this in PvP. Yes Camohunter does a lot of damage, but it was not the only source of your death. Yes, Camouflaged Hunter Doubleproccs on Stealth attacks which is also described in the tooltip. As of now this is intended. The Deathrecap bugging out is most likely because a number of skills is hitting you at the exact same time as somebody pointed out earlier. (I do Bow heavy attack + Silver Leash with Camo Hunter active out of stealth which results in 4 hits hitting you simultaneously and killing you instantly)

At the current stage of Camo Hunter I can just tell you: Don't be a vampire. I can and will oneshot you :')

Refuse2GrowUp · December 2015

CrowsDescend wrote: »

Knootewoot wrote: »

Death recap is very unreliable. I still don't understand people look at it and say.. wow I died in 1 second from 50 attacks HAX SPLOITERS

The fact is, it is totally not accurate due to

- bad coding in the game. And it won't be fixed anytime soon.
- Lag
- Animation cancelling
- Bugs

Death recap is very unreliable, yes... but that doesn't me the guy managed to even dish out 2-3 attacks.

It was a NB, in stealth (thus he crit), who killed you. And if you understand weaving/animation cancelling, then you would know you can get hit with 2-3 skills in the time it would take to hit you with one.

The video also doesn't show your build (i.e. what your total health is, if you have a food buff, what your resistances are, and what CP damage mitigations you have) but it looks like you are light armor and with no visible buffs/shields up. Frankly, I could have killed you that quickly as well; any half decent PvPer could have.

Plus, one of you had mines down, so he knew right where to look for you thus making you an easy target.

If this is a witch hunt because you are upset you can get killed so quickly, then I would say...too bad mate. It happens. All classes can kill this quickly and this efficiently. You have the same capability to ruin someone else's day and send them to the forums QQing. The guy that killed you was a fairly high ranked (alliance rank) PvPer and thus probably knew what he was doing. He certainly got all his buffs up and was able to put together a decent burst combo (or is simply stacked min/max and had a high crit; or your build is sub-par and you were an easy kill; or whatever the case).

If this thread is genuine concern about Camo Hunter, then I would say your post lacks sufficient detail or evidence to get much traction unfortunately. Regardless, it would appear the dev team is already looking at the skill so it would be a moot point anyway.

As for the statement about people complaining about Camo Hunter here in the forums. Simple fact is everyone complains about everything here in the forums. Genuine concerns and issues make up a very small percentage of the threads/posts. Can't really cite others crying as validation unfortunately.

Molag_Crow · December 2015

Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

Knootewoot wrote: »

Death recap is very unreliable. I still don't understand people look at it and say.. wow I died in 1 second from 50 attacks HAX SPLOITERS

The fact is, it is totally not accurate due to

- bad coding in the game. And it won't be fixed anytime soon.
- Lag
- Animation cancelling
- Bugs

Death recap is very unreliable, yes... but that doesn't me the guy managed to even dish out 2-3 attacks.

It was a NB, in stealth (thus he crit), who killed you. And if you understand weaving/animation cancelling, then you would know you can get hit with 2-3 skills in the time it would take to hit you with one.

The video also doesn't show your build (i.e. what your total health is, if you have a food buff, what your resistances are, and what CP damage mitigations you have) but it looks like you are light armor and with no visible buffs/shields up. Frankly, I could have killed you that quickly as well; any half decent PvPer could have.

Plus, one of you had mines down, so he knew right where to look for you thus making you an easy target.

If this is a witch hunt because you are upset you can get killed so quickly, then I would say...too bad mate. It happens. All classes can kill this quickly and this efficiently. You have the same capability to ruin someone else's day and send them to the forums QQing. The guy that killed you was a fairly high ranked (alliance rank) PvPer and thus probably knew what he was doing. He certainly got all his buffs up and was able to put together a decent burst combo (or is simply stacked min/max and had a high crit; or your build is sub-par and you were an easy kill; or whatever the case).

If this thread is genuine concern about Camo Hunter, then I would say your post lacks sufficient detail or evidence to get much traction unfortunately. Regardless, it would appear the dev team is already looking at the skill so it would be a moot point anyway.

As for the statement about people complaining about Camo Hunter here in the forums. Simple fact is everyone complains about everything here in the forums. Genuine concerns and issues make up a very small percentage of the threads/posts. Can't really cite others crying as validation unfortunately.

Yeah I know, you're right about that. I am in the position where I can get dropped -that- easily, most of the time, but because I'd usually be aware of it, dodge rolling, blocking, healing etc is my survival and it's a shame as a magicka Templar to even consider using drinks & CP into break free/dodge roll and stam regen (among other useful, vital choices) as I am forced to be as mobile as possible, otherwise I will die. But... to be one-shotted just like that, was a huge shock. It last happened about a month ago, so it's not something that is common.. but I won't change my view on camo hunter being unfair.

I hate wrecking blow, focused aim and surprise attack spammers, but they're avoidable... camo hunter (being the main culprit) is unavoidable as a Vampire, especially in that scenario.. getting 1shot from a partial-sneak position.

Oh well

Molag_Crow · December 2015

Xantaria wrote: »

Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

Holycannoli wrote: »

Guys it's not a big deal, it's just a single skill. You can spend stamina by activating weapon abilities, blocking, dodging, sprinting, interrupting, or removing control effects.

wut? you think being one shot is not a big deal?

I don't think Camo Hunter is one-shotting anyone. I think it more likely that the death recap involving camo hunter is bugged and not showing all damage taken. Just like it is more than likely that the 13k damage in the OP is most likely not the only damage taken, nor even the damage dealt by camo hunter alone, but rather a bugged death recap that isn't properly accounting for all damage taken. Much akin to how some weaves/animation cancels don't show all the skills you were hit with.

@Xantaria has a thread tracking current known bugs and exploits. This is something that requires a little more research and might be suitable for inclusion on hit list.

I am myself playing a one-shot build like this in PvP. Yes Camohunter does a lot of damage, but it was not the only source of your death. Yes, Camouflaged Hunter Doubleproccs on Stealth attacks which is also described in the tooltip. As of now this is intended. The Deathrecap bugging out is most likely because a number of skills is hitting you at the exact same time as somebody pointed out earlier. (I do Bow heavy attack + Silver Leash with Camo Hunter active out of stealth which results in 4 hits hitting you simultaneously and killing you instantly)

At the current stage of Camo Hunter I can just tell you: Don't be a vampire. I can and will oneshot you :')

Fair enough then. I guess it does all come down to.... Be a vampire and deal with the inevitability , or cure yourself and have a chance against these... kind of builds, I guess.

I hope Vampire's get looked at some day. ^^

Refuse2GrowUp · December 2015

CrowsDescend wrote: »

I hope Vampire's get looked at some day. ^^

Just be glad we can still use recipes with garlic in it

Molag_Crow · December 2015

Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

I hope Vampire's get looked at some day. ^^

Just be glad we can still use recipes with garlic in it

Luigi_Vampa · December 2015

Am I the only one that is okay with some of these burst "one shot" mechanics? I've played against a couple of nightblades with crazy burst in their opening stealth attack rotation. Like, if you don't dodge roll and heal immediately you're dead. If they are good enough with that rotation and I'm not good enough to get out of it, good for them. Also, the number of times I've been hit by @Alcast Xeloki makes me laugh. In the middle of the battle, fighting people up close then BAM! Huge heavy attack + Camo hunter and I'm dead. I think it makes the game exciting. I don't think everyone should have such a high ttk.

Molag_Crow · December 2015

Typhoios wrote: »

Am I the only one that is okay with some of these burst "one shot" mechanics? I've played against a couple of nightblades with crazy burst in their opening stealth attack rotation. Like, if you don't dodge roll and heal immediately you're dead. If they are good enough with that rotation and I'm not good enough to get out of it, good for them. Also, the number of times I've been hit by @Alcast Xeloki makes me laugh. In the middle of the battle, fighting people up close then BAM! Huge heavy attack + Camo hunter and I'm dead. I think it makes the game exciting. I don't think everyone should have such a high ttk.

Yeah it does make things interesting, I will admit. I don't really believe in class balance, I find that class balance ruins games (One reason I stopped playing WoW months ago, after 8 years, even though their classes aren't perfectly balanced but more similar and meh, with not much uniqueness to their class atm) so I do like how certain classes are deadly, because each class has their qualities (Templars, not so much, unless played 'perfectly' with the right stats, etc) but I'll always stick with a Templar for as long as I can.

I wouldn't like it if they nerfed classes further, I want them to just buff Magicka DK's and Templar's in a way to also make them good competitors too. Every Magicka DK I knew, have changed to Stamina since the IC update, so that says enough to me. A big decrease in Stamina Templars though. I wish Blazing Shield came back.. but this is all another story for another kind of topic. :P

ZOS_GinaBruno · December 2015

Thanks guys, we'll take a look and see if this is an issue with Camo Hunter or the death recap UI.

Molag_Crow · December 2015

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Thanks guys, we'll take a look and see if this is an issue with Camo Hunter or the death recap UI.

Alright, thanks Gina

personally I think it's the death recap UI not processing properly, due to Camo Hunter, or something like that.

Kutsuu · December 2015

Your death recap just isn't showing everything that hit you. What is most messed up about the camo hunter procs is that you can proc multiple of them with certain attacks (bow animation cancels, and DW heavy attacks).

You can see some double proc DW heavy attacks in this vid, notice it 1-shots vampires:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1VsYf4ZkM8

dsalter · December 2015

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Thanks guys, we'll take a look and see if this is an issue with Camo Hunter or the death recap UI.

have them check the whole fighters guild tree, everything in it so far has had some sort of super bug at some point

Molag_Crow · December 2015

Kutsuu wrote: »

Your death recap just isn't showing everything that hit you. What is most messed up about the camo hunter procs is that you can proc multiple of them with certain attacks (bow animation cancels, and DW heavy attacks).

You can see some double proc DW heavy attacks in this vid, notice it 1-shots vampires: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1VsYf4ZkM8

Agreed, but wow... that heavy attack instant kill is what I'm talking about, and it seems the NB could have done -exactly- that to me, in the video. Thanks for sharing

Kutsuu · December 2015

Just to be clear, NB isn't the only class that can press camo hunter and use a DW heavy attack.

Etaniel · December 2015

Troneon wrote: »

PvP will always be trash in this game with stuff like this happening every month...like since forever..

Something is always bugged, broken, exploited or just unbalanced and they take months and half a dozen updates to fix and then they break something else....

PvP will be dead soon except for those that get off on running gank builds and exploits.

For your info, PvP is already mostly dead aside from gankers and ball groups. And it's been like that for a while now

Etaniel · December 2015

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Thanks guys, we'll take a look and see if this is an issue with Camo Hunter or the death recap UI.

And seriously, it's more of an issue with game design... I don't know in what world people think it's ok to get oneshot without even seeing your attacker

Refuse2GrowUp · December 2015

Etaniel wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Thanks guys, we'll take a look and see if this is an issue with Camo Hunter or the death recap UI.

And seriously, it's more of an issue with game design... I don't know in what world people think it's ok to get oneshot without even seeing your attacker

Certainly keeps things interesting

Darlgon · December 2015

Sooo..

After watching the video. four times..

Why does the HP bar on top show both the OP AND his group member not being in the area when this vid was taken? It should be a rich red, not the deep dark red from being a distance away.

Also.. how was your ping/fps? That looks like you died to lag.. and the death recap only covered the actual last skill that hit ya.

Alcast · December 2015

Let me put it like this, if you get oneshot IT IS YOUR OWN FAULT. Simple as that, there are MANY ways to counter oneshots, let me list a few option up here:

Most ppl QQ tho: I dont want to slot skills or use gear to prevent me from getting ganked QQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ.

Sorcs: 24/7 shield yourself problem solved, if you dont well l2p
Nbs: 24/7 cloak, cant kill what you dont see, if you dont l2p'
Dks: Flapp your wings 24/7
Temps: well you are screwed because most OP class in the game right? /sarcasm

SKills/Gear that prevent you from getting instagibbd

Then again, many choose to not slot skills/gear that prevents them from getting instagibbed, that is a CHOICE you made. And if you are not aware of that then well l2p.

Then again, Camo is not the issue, broken SNEAK MECHANICs are the issue, when will ppl get that in their head.

RinaldoGandolphi · December 2015

@Alacast Agreed i have been saying Stealth is broken and has issues in this game for nearly a year and its just ignored.

As for Radiant Magelight, I think its an Ok skill, but 2 Skill bar Slots + 5% of your max magic just to counter 1 skill (Cloak) is a very steep price to pay, IMO its far to lopsided. Your giving up 2 skills + resources just to counter 1 skill and RML is useless against the other classes and if your a stam build its completely useless to you all together. I think RML needs to be changed so its only required to be on 1 bar and turned on in order for it to stay active.

As i have found with Templar's, right now all you can do is try and face tank as much damage as you can and outlast your opponents. In PVE Magic Templars do very well DPS wise, but in PVP over half of Cyrodiil's population is using some form of damage shield and Sweeps don't get its bonus damage against shields which makes it impossible to break a Sorc's Hardened Ward...even a simple cast of Harness Magicka will make Sweeps useless. Its truly sad how bad a state Templars are in PVP right now outside of healing...you have a few exceptional players such as Balabafat that make it work, but they are the exception not the rule, Sorcs and Nightblades have a far easier time.

Troneon · December 2015

Alcast wrote: »

Let me put it like this, if you get oneshot IT IS YOUR OWN FAULT. Simple as that, there are MANY ways to counter oneshots, let me list a few option up here:

Most ppl QQ tho: I dont want to slot skills or use gear to prevent me from getting ganked QQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ.

Sorcs: 24/7 shield yourself problem solved, if you dont well l2p
Nbs: 24/7 cloak, cant kill what you dont see, if you dont l2p'
Dks: Flapp your wings 24/7
Temps: well you are screwed because most OP class in the game right? /sarcasm

SKills/Gear that prevent you from getting instagibbd

Then again, many choose to not slot skills/gear that prevents them from getting instagibbed, that is a CHOICE you made. And if you are not aware of that then well l2p.

Then again, Camo is not the issue, broken SNEAK MECHANICs are the issue, when will ppl get that in their head.

Yeah so pvp boils down to go full tanky builds with cookie cutter skills for anti-gank or roll a nightblade and be OP too....

I would rather just not play pvp in ESO if it is that crap.