Rant about Nightblades being supposedly "OP" and potential solution

Azurephoenix999 · December 2015

Before I say anything else, I have to specify: THIS POST IS NOT ASKING FOR A F**-ING NERF, SO STOP ASSUMING IT IS AND READ IT FOR GOD'S SAKE!!!
SKIP TO THE PART CLEARLY LABELLED "SOLUTION IF YOU CAN'T BE BOTHERED READING THE FIRST PART, BUT FOR GOD'S SAKE STOP ASSUMING I'M ASKING FOR A NERF! JESUS CHRIST YOU GUYS!!!

Two guys camping on the roof of Bleaker's Outpost. They stay in stealth literally all the time until they first hit you, then immediately go back into stealth once you're dead.

They spam Lotus Fan (which I assume is what's causing me to go into fear literally all the freaking time), Sap Essence, and Wrecking Blow.

So far, they've managed to kill at least 5 of us going at them at once, it's getting ridiculous. Even when observing...the general area they're in from a distance, I've only ever seen them break cloak in order to attack someone. It never seems to run out on these guys.

Every single time someone brings this up on the forums, someone else deflects it saying "That class is supposed to be good at surprise attacks".

Considering they can stay in stealth seemingly forever, they always seem to have the advantage. NB's are OP as f*** right now. It's not fun how one single class is unbearably OP. There are those who disagree saying each class has something that they're good with, NB's just happens to be surprise attacks, and that the other classes are just as good. This is not true. Put a NB in a 1 on 1 match against any other class and NB can pretty much destroy them by using a fear inducing attack, spamming high-damage moves until they break out of it then immediately re-cloaking before they have a chance to fight back.

DK's can't outlast the guy if they stun, attack, then get away before he has a chance to hit them.

Sorc's are pretty much the same.

Templars have very little chance to heal through it when they spend the first 3 seconds of the encounter too scared to fight.

ZOS has previously stated how your class doesn't limit how you play. This is not true. Only NB's can play like that, it's almost unbeatable by any other class, only by using sheer numbers can you take down guys like this.

THE SOLUTION (The thing that literally everyone so far has ignored)

You know what? There are 3 things that I want ZOS to do about this, and none of them involve nerfing the Nightblades:

Buff each class so they're better at what they're supposed to be good at. DKs are supposed to be tanky, so make them just as good tanks as the NBs are at ganking. DK tanks should be nigh-unstoppable. Templars are supposed to be the best healers, so I suggest you give other classes basic healing abilities and buff the Templar's heals even further. Sorcs...I'm unsure on as I haven't seen too much of them in PVP, but I assume they're good with crowd control...so maybe give them the best crowd control abilities? Basically, when the classes have essentially reached their....apex (if you can call it that) they should all be awesome in their own way. They should all be just as good at what they do than the NightBlade is now.
Whilst you're busy with 1, give us a method of changing classes. Back when I started, I thought being a Templar would be cool, I've regretted the decision for months, and the only reason I keep playing as a Templar is because there's no way of changing it without starting all over again. I've spent about 6 months on the game so far, and I do NOT want to do all of it again on a new character. The game shouldn't force me to do so, nor anyone else who didn't know exactly what they wanted at the beginning of the game. I know, you're worried that people will constantly choose whatever the "best class" happens to be and everyone will be one class. If the classes were actually balanced, this wouldn't be a problem, and if you're really that opposed to everyone changing class super often, then maybe there needs to be some kind of cooldown system in place. You know, like only being able to change class once every 3-6 months? I know there are some people that disagree with class-changes entirely, but until they implement it, I will continue to voice my opinion that players shouldn't have 2 crap choices when it comes to having a class they're not happy with (either continue playing a class they don't want to or redo months worth of content on a new character to get back to where they were).
There should be easily accessible guides for what each class' abilities are and what they are all good at right at the start of the game. Players need to know exactly what they're getting into when they pick a class, considering that it's something that, until you do #2, they're not going to be able to change.

Now that my rant is over, I feel much better for having written it. I'm looking for feedback, who has something constructive to say?

EDIT: You guys are just being ***-holes at this point. You saw the title (WHICH I HAVE NOW CHANGED TO STOP MORE IDIOTS LIKE YOU FLOODING IN!), immediately assumed I was begging for Nightblades to be nerfed when I said no such thing, then started commenting about how pathetic I am for wanting the nerf and telling me I should learn to play.

Now, I'm straight up telling you that's not what the post is about and that I'm not asking for a nerf. You're all still going on at me about how pathetic I am for wanting a nerf. I posted this to offer a solution and you people have all completely freaking ignored it!

Tryxus · December 2015

This again?

I'm not even gonna bother

You guys want NB nerfed? Fine

Just don't come complaining when yet another class nerf kills the game

Azurephoenix999 · December 2015

Tryxus wrote: »

This again?

I'm not even gonna bother

You guys want NB nerfed? Fine

Just don't come complaining when yet another class nerf kills the game

You didn't even read the damn thing did you?

Tryxus · December 2015

Azurephoenix999 wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

This again?

I'm not even gonna bother

You guys want NB nerfed? Fine

Just don't come complaining when yet another class nerf kills the game

You didn't even read the damn thing did you?

I did

And it's the same all those other "I QQ about NB"-threads

You rant about us doing our jobs, you despise us and want us nerfed

TequilaFire · December 2015

How do you get on the roof of Bleakers?
Stay away from the area?

I really don't understand posts like these because I play a Nightblade and wish I had such godlike powers.

Artjuh90 · December 2015

well so far the post i have read of you are mostly complains about other people in PvP main;y NB...

Azurephoenix999 · December 2015

Tryxus wrote: »

Azurephoenix999 wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

This again?

I'm not even gonna bother

You guys want NB nerfed? Fine

Just don't come complaining when yet another class nerf kills the game

You didn't even read the damn thing did you?

I did

And it's the same all those other "I QQ about NB"-threads

You rant about us doing our jobs, you despise us and want us nerfed

No, you didn't read it. You didn't even get halfway through, otherwise you'd have seen this:

Azurephoenix999 wrote: »

You know what? There are 3 things that I want ZOS to do about this, and none of them involve nerfing the Nightblades:

Azurephoenix999 · December 2015

Artjuh90 wrote: »

well so far the post i have read of you are mostly complains about other people in PvP main;y NB...

Maybe finish reading it before commenting?

magictucktuck · December 2015

I'm thinking you need to gear up and L2P they fear u with mass histaria. You will be much better when you hit v16 and gear up if you're having that much of an issue.. Anyone can "stealth" forever of course they are not going to stand there like a training dummy

Tryxus · December 2015

... yeah whatever. I've given up on this anyways

I've been trying so hard to get ppl to understand that NB don't need nerfing and that the other classes need boosting

Yet in the end I'm the one who got kicked in the teeth by players and ZOS

I've given up...

Azurephoenix999 · December 2015

Tryxus wrote: »

I've been trying so hard to get ppl to understand that NB don't need nerfing and that the other classes need boosting

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Refuse2GrowUp · December 2015

Azurephoenix999 wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

This again?

I'm not even gonna bother

You guys want NB nerfed? Fine

Just don't come complaining when yet another class nerf kills the game

You didn't even read the damn thing did you?

No need to read the whole thing. I got as far as you complaining about a couple of NBs stealthed in a very small area (roof of an outpost) and how you cannot get them out of stealth. Yet knowing where they are, neither you nor anyone with you pops a detect pot and manages to play against them effectively.

Tryxus · December 2015

Azurephoenix999 wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

I've been trying so hard to get ppl to understand that NB don't need nerfing and that the other classes need boosting

SNIP.

I DID read it "dude"

And it's the same thing over and over again

plz just let me die in peace

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Azurephoenix999 · December 2015

Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »

No need to read the whole thing. I got as far as you complaining about a couple of NBs stealthed in a very small area (roof of an outpost) and how you cannot get them out of stealth. Yet knowing where they are, neither you nor anyone with you pops a detect pot and manages to play against them effectively.

Does nobody read the whole post before commenting!? [SNIP]

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cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO · December 2015

Well, my only complaint about them is that they can cloak while being right up in your face and run away when they feel like it, the rest is alright for me. Just something to stop them from going into instant stealth the moment the fight go a bit badly for them, as it's just ridiculous. I'd do the same with sorcs, but they got something already in place to stop them, and it don't need much more, maybe some tweaks on their part, and give both classes some decent enough self heal to compensate.

Azurephoenix999 · December 2015

Tryxus wrote: »

Azurephoenix999 wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

I've been trying so hard to get ppl to understand that NB don't need nerfing and that the other classes need boosting

SNIP

I DID read it "dude"

And it's the same thing over and over again

plz just let me die in peace

Okay, there are 2 possibilities here:

You didn't read it and are trolling me (or possibly just really stupid).
You read it and literally none of the second half registered.

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Forestd16b14_ESO · December 2015

Simple. Buff up DKs and Templars, change NB so there not OP (and they are), and please make fear effects blockable just please.

Refuse2GrowUp · December 2015

Azurephoenix999 wrote: »

Refuse2GrowUp wrote: »

No need to read the whole thing. I got as far as you complaining about a couple of NBs stealthed in a very small area (roof of an outpost) and how you cannot get them out of stealth. Yet knowing where they are, neither you nor anyone with you pops a detect pot and manages to play against them effectively.

Does nobody read the whole post before commenting!? The entire second half of the ***-ing thing has been completely ignored by you people!

Might I recommend trying a different approach if you want people to hear you out and take the post seriously. I can't be bothered to read another whine and complain post. Not going to look for any substance in the middle of a long rant

Catblade · December 2015

I'm not sure ZOS knows how to buff. All I've seen is them acting like bam bam rubble with the nerfball bat

Tryxus · December 2015

Azurephoenix999 wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

Azurephoenix999 wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

I've been trying so hard to get ppl to understand that NB don't need nerfing and that the other classes need boosting

Uh...dude, that's literally what I ***-ing said. L2R before commenting, for god's sake.

I DID read it "dude"

And it's the same thing over and over again

plz just let me die in peace

Okay, there are 2 possibilities here:
You didn't read it and are trolling me (or possibly just really stupid).

You read it and literally none of the second half registered.

Okay, but this is the last time I'm participating in something like this:

I've READ the whole thing. Get it?

It's a thread about NB: how you think you got unfairly beaten by a bunch of gankers

Now you're proposing a fix:
- 90% want us nerfed
- 10% (you and me included) want other classes buffed

Like you I've been trying to get ppl to understand that we don't need nerfing, and that the other classes need boosting (your first solution, see I read it)

But in the end, other ppl here just spat on me, insulted me and on top of that... well it's something I'm not allowed to discuss here.

So yeah

I've given up! Ppl will either:

- refuse to listen to you and keep ranting that NB need nerfing
- make stupid ideas like changing Cloak so it doesn't allow NB to escape a battle
- just plain mock you for what you're trying to do

Which brings me to my first post: it's the same damn thing all over again.

And I've given up on making ppl understand the same thing you're trying to say here. There's just no point to talk to NB haters. They'd rather have us nerfed and the game killed than anything else

dem0n1k · December 2015

Nerf the buffs ! Buff the nerfs! Berf the Nuffs!! Schpuff the derps! Schwerfn Nuffs!

There are plenty of ways to pull NBs out of stealth.... most AoEs, detect pots, that assault skill i can't remember the name of. My NB gets pulled out of stealth & killed all the time. True, I have seen some NBs that are really good at avoiding the attempts to pull them out of cloak... but that's coz they are really good!

If it really annoys you & you just can't get past it... roll a NB... join the darkside :]

TequilaFire · December 2015

These guys always confuse normal stealth which anyone can use with cloak ability anyway.

A couple of good players ganking is always annoying but this is a method of playing and some good gankers abuse it , but it is not class specific I have been ganked by all classes just so happens NB are geared for it.

You don't want to hear this but run with a good group to help avoid this kind of thing.

The_SpAwN · December 2015

STOP.ASKING.FOR.NERFS
Thats how you got DKs in the s**** position they are now, what about asking for balance and buffs for the other classes instead of ranting and crying for nerfs that will most likely broke the game even more?

Suru · December 2015

Azurephoenix999 wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

This again?

I'm not even gonna bother

You guys want NB nerfed? Fine

Just don't come complaining when yet another class nerf kills the game

You didn't even read the damn thing did you?

You do onow most of what you wrote was just a story about how a couple nightblades toyed around with some players with no detection and AoE right? Like others have said, it is the same thing all over again. You hate nightblades so much, want to ruin their fun? Come prepared and counter them, there are made ways.

VincentBlanquin · December 2015

no need to bother posting in this thread. people complaining they are killed too fast (especially by nightblades)

so zos decreased the damage of everything like before and broke the game even more

be carefull of what you are asking ))))

SirDopey · December 2015

I don't think they need nerfing, sure there are some really good NB's that have an awesome ability to stay in stealth and do incredible burst damage, but of the DC and EP NB's I've fought recently its only a small percentage of players that fall into that category, most NB's I dismiss pretty quickly with my Templar. If you nerf a class simply because there's a few really good players, you also nerf the not so good players and that would make NB's for most people a difficult class to play

Cathexis · December 2015

Fun facts:

2/3 of forum posters have active nightblades
1/3 of forum posters have nightblades as their main

@Azurephoenix999 brace yourself, trolls incoming from the west! Meatbags at the ready!

TequilaFire · December 2015

I die most to crystal frags then mages wrath from players I don't even get a chance to see or block because they are so far away not to mention the lag.

But that is cool that is how they work.
Getting killed isn't that bad I don't feel a thing!

RAGUNAnoOne · December 2015

The_SpAwN wrote: »

STOP.ASKING.FOR.NERFS
Thats how you got DKs in the s**** position they are now, what about asking for balance and buffs for the other classes instead of ranting and crying for nerfs that will most likely broke the game even more?

Read the post when did (s)he ask for nerf all I saw was NBs are the only class that can do what they are supposed to do and that the other classes should be buffed in their class specific strengths in order for them to compete. right now the only 100% way to counter a cloaking NB is to be a NB and use piercing mark on them AND stay alive, the rest are proximity with timed tics or AOEs which NBs can easily avoid if geared right and my main is a NB so I can say that

DeanTheCat · December 2015

Azurephoenix999 wrote: »

Two guys camping on the roof of Bleaker's Outpost. They stay in stealth literally all the time until they first hit you, then immediately go back into stealth once you're dead.

They spam Lotus Fan (which I assume is what's causing me to go into fear literally all the freaking time), Sap Essence, and Wrecking Blow.

How does one even get onto the roof of Bleakers? Don't you have to break the wall first? Even then, you'll need a ladder (Which ESO doesn't have) to get onto the roof.

Also, Sap + Lotus Fan + Wrecking Blow? You do know that Sap and Lotus scales off Magicka right? And that Wrecking Blow scales off Stamina? Are you fighting some sort of Redguard-Altmer half breed or something? There is no way any decent player would use a stamina scaling and a magicka scaling ability on the same build to deal damage. Even if they did use it, one of them will hit like wet tissue paper.

Finally, WTB fear effect on Teleport Strike, PST. I have cookies.

Catblade · December 2015

Every group i get into for pvp there's this one guy crying about nightblades. He doesn't try to change his build or step up his game, doesn't accept it when i offer him detect pots to try out. Just happy crying. It's not a particular guy either just a random guy in every group. Do not try to help this person, for he is a true soul shriven. A lost soul cursed to blame others for his inability to adapt.