EU Duel Tournament - Rules and Registration

Hexys · November 2015

Fluffy_Fr0zR wrote: »

Im not a shieldbreaker scrub, you offensive prick!

Mwuahahhahaa

ToRelax wrote: »

I was just hoping someone else would deal with the shieldbreakers and anjoy the fairer fights I'd get. Judging from the outcome I guess it was good I did something else with my time. ^^

Still don't have permafrost magicka jewerly, otherwise I would have a counter to use.

eliisra · November 2015

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Sublime wrote: »

Really enjoyed it as well. I heard somebody saying that there will be a 3v3 tournament, if that's true I'm really looking forward to this. Some variety will be amazing.

That would be extremely intereting.

And it would be great for Templars too. I think they make insanely (if not THE most) useful group class, but sadly they do suck a bit in 1v1 as a trade off. So big props to the ones that stepped up to fight.

Not so sure about that, it's to small scale. How long you think a magicka templar can survive being focused by multiple stamina players 3v3? Like we all know everyone will focus the templar, because it heals. But lacking defences against physical and mele burst, since nerfed, removed or never existed. The templar will be taken out the second or third focus attempt.

Magicka builds cant really kill templars easily, it's a nightmare for them. But my bet is that most teams will be Shield Breaker mofos and Wrecking Blow turds, all swimming in Vigor puffs. So have fun trying to outheal their entire focused burst in your face as a templar.

Think you're better of using 3 players with self sustain, burst and mobility to kite and avoid dmg when focused.

Erondil · November 2015

eliisra wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Sublime wrote: »

Really enjoyed it as well. I heard somebody saying that there will be a 3v3 tournament, if that's true I'm really looking forward to this. Some variety will be amazing.

That would be extremely intereting.

And it would be great for Templars too. I think they make insanely (if not THE most) useful group class, but sadly they do suck a bit in 1v1 as a trade off. So big props to the ones that stepped up to fight.

Not so sure about that, it's to small scale. How long you think a magicka templar can survive being focused by multiple stamina players 3v3? Like we all know everyone will focus the templar, because it heals. But lacking defences against physical and mele burst, since nerfed, removed or never existed. The templar will be taken out the second or third focus attempt.

Magicka builds cant really kill templars easily, it's a nightmare for them. But my bet is that most teams will be Shield Breaker mofos and Wrecking Blow turds, all swimming in Vigor puffs. So have fun trying to outheal their entire focused burst in your face as a templar.

Think you're better of using 3 players with self sustain, burst and mobility to kite and avoid dmg when focused.

That's not true a good templar can easily survive 3 stamina players, sb, heavy armour seducer and you're good to go. That being said for 3v3 I would pick a magicka sorc off heal over a templar heal/tank, because the sorc can deal a lot of damages and heal quickly when needed (no cast time/channel skills)

Anyway I've heard shieldbreaker will be banned for the next duel tournament, this hopefully extends to the 3v3 tournament.

MLRPZ · November 2015

I'll probably join if there's some 3v3 tournament. I didn't saw the point for me in 1v1 as I'm mainly a templar and not really good with other classes.

Yuke · November 2015

noricum will probably be there with 2 teams

Maulkin · November 2015

On the subject of 3v3 tournaments, if such thing were to happen, I think it would be reasonable if there was a class/build restriction of 1 per team.

Just to avoid things like 3 magicka templars spamming BoL, or 3 Sorcs camping inside 15 mines, or 3 NBs completely disengaging every few seconds etc etc. You know, to make things more dynamic and interesting.

So you can only have 2 of a class and that only if they are different builds (magicka-stamina). How does that sound?

Sublime · November 2015

TBH, as soon as the enemy sorc has a templar at his side shield breaker is useless. What I don't get is, how does templar has a channel heal? BOL is instant cast afaik.

I'm not sure what to think of Maulkin's suggestion, because on the one hand it would allow for more options when having several players of the same class in one team, on the other side it could also get boring.

Derra · November 2015

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

On the subject of 3v3 tournaments, if such thing were to happen, I think it would be reasonable if there was a class/build restriction of 1 per team.

Just to avoid things like 3 magicka templars spamming BoL, or 3 Sorcs camping inside 15 mines, or 3 NBs completely disengaging every few seconds etc etc. You know, to make things more dynamic and interesting.

So you can only have 2 of a class and that only if they are different builds (magicka-stamina). How does that sound?

I don´t think 1 class/spec per team is feasible while i certainly like the idea it feels too restrictive for me and might keep ppl from participating.

The only thing i would not allow is stacking three of the same class specc. Would still be hard to survive two leaps ._.

Joy_Division · November 2015

Erondil wrote: »

eliisra wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Sublime wrote: »

Really enjoyed it as well. I heard somebody saying that there will be a 3v3 tournament, if that's true I'm really looking forward to this. Some variety will be amazing.

That would be extremely intereting.

And it would be great for Templars too. I think they make insanely (if not THE most) useful group class, but sadly they do suck a bit in 1v1 as a trade off. So big props to the ones that stepped up to fight.

Not so sure about that, it's to small scale. How long you think a magicka templar can survive being focused by multiple stamina players 3v3? Like we all know everyone will focus the templar, because it heals. But lacking defences against physical and mele burst, since nerfed, removed or never existed. The templar will be taken out the second or third focus attempt.

Magicka builds cant really kill templars easily, it's a nightmare for them. But my bet is that most teams will be Shield Breaker mofos and Wrecking Blow turds, all swimming in Vigor puffs. So have fun trying to outheal their entire focused burst in your face as a templar.

Think you're better of using 3 players with self sustain, burst and mobility to kite and avoid dmg when focused.

That's not true a good templar can easily survive 3 stamina players, sb, heavy armour seducer and you're good to go. That being said for 3v3 I would pick a magicka sorc off heal over a templar heal/tank, because the sorc can deal a lot of damages and heal quickly when needed (no cast time/channel skills)

Anyway I've heard shieldbreaker will be banned for the next duel tournament, this hopefully extends to the 3v3 tournament.

There is a difference between "easily" surviving 3 stam players your class lacks the tools to defend against and holding out just long enough for your teammates to relieve the pressure.

Maulkin · November 2015

Erondil wrote: »

eliisra wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Sublime wrote: »

Really enjoyed it as well. I heard somebody saying that there will be a 3v3 tournament, if that's true I'm really looking forward to this. Some variety will be amazing.

That would be extremely intereting.

And it would be great for Templars too. I think they make insanely (if not THE most) useful group class, but sadly they do suck a bit in 1v1 as a trade off. So big props to the ones that stepped up to fight.

Not so sure about that, it's to small scale. How long you think a magicka templar can survive being focused by multiple stamina players 3v3? Like we all know everyone will focus the templar, because it heals. But lacking defences against physical and mele burst, since nerfed, removed or never existed. The templar will be taken out the second or third focus attempt.

Magicka builds cant really kill templars easily, it's a nightmare for them. But my bet is that most teams will be Shield Breaker mofos and Wrecking Blow turds, all swimming in Vigor puffs. So have fun trying to outheal their entire focused burst in your face as a templar.

Think you're better of using 3 players with self sustain, burst and mobility to kite and avoid dmg when focused.

That's not true a good templar can easily survive 3 stamina players, sb, heavy armour seducer and you're good to go. That being said for 3v3 I would pick a magicka sorc off heal over a templar heal/tank, because the sorc can deal a lot of damages and heal quickly when needed (no cast time/channel skills)

Anyway I've heard shieldbreaker will be banned for the next duel tournament, this hopefully extends to the 3v3 tournament.

Agree. Targeting a healtank is probably the worst thing you can do especially if your team consists of 3 stam DDs which means you have no healer or off-healer. If the Templar's DD friends target the squishiest of the stam DDs with some CC and coordinated ultie drops, then that player will go down within 3"-4" and waaay before the Templar tank runs out of stamina or magicka.

I would have no problem with shield-breaker in a 3v3 personally. It's still super strong but its value is somewhat diminished when people can stack HoTs on each other or have a Templar who can cancel out 5" of shield breaker damage with one BoL. It also makes having a healer relevant and I personally like that. It's just in 1v1 that it pretty much wrecks magicka NBs and Sorcs because they have no direct heals they can turn to.

Regarding having a Sorc off-heal over a Templar... well both are viable and it depends more on the quality of the players at your disposal, your team composition and the opposition. If your team is mana Sorc, stam DK, stam NB for example.... then if a team-mate drops in HP, the only option for the Sorc is Healing Ward which could expose that player to shield-breaker damage.

Overall, the Sorc brings more offense but the Templar brings more survivability and more utility with good heals and blazing spear CC+Synergy and to be honest, some pretty decent damage too. I think stam DD + mana Sorc + mana Templar is also a pretty good team. It really will depend on the quality of the players in my opinion.

Cinbri · November 2015

Full team of fotm class and thats how it will ends. Guess how shorter it would be without using LoS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qszVfo9FpMU

Maulkin · November 2015

Cinbri wrote: »

Full team of fotm class and thats how it will ends. Guess how shorter it would be without using LoS

Short is not a problem. Short means we can actually do a best of 3 which I think is potentially a bit fairer too.

As for the 3xfotm, that is why I suggested 1 player per class/build. I personally don't find it very restrictive at all , though I appreciate others might disagree with me.

Mumyo · November 2015

Sublime wrote: »

TBH, as soon as the enemy sorc has a templar at his side shield breaker is useless. What I don't get is, how does templar has a channel heal? BOL is instant cast afaik.

I'm not sure what to think of Maulkin's suggestion, because on the one hand it would allow for more options when having several players of the same class in one team, on the other side it could also get boring.

Templar btw really has a channeled heal but its mostly like nobody ever uses or used it since its ***.

Derra · November 2015

Mumyo wrote: »

Sublime wrote: »

TBH, as soon as the enemy sorc has a templar at his side shield breaker is useless. What I don't get is, how does templar has a channel heal? BOL is instant cast afaik.

I'm not sure what to think of Maulkin's suggestion, because on the one hand it would allow for more options when having several players of the same class in one team, on the other side it could also get boring.

Templar btw really has a channeled heal but its mostly like nobody ever uses or used it since its ***.

It´s kinda hard with half of the guild maining magica sorc and the other stam dk atm

especially when you have to make up the teams based on what class ppl are playing and not what players they´re used to play with.

Erondil · November 2015

Sublime wrote: »

TBH, as soon as the enemy sorc has a templar at his side shield breaker is useless. What I don't get is, how does templar has a channel heal? BOL is instant cast afaik.

I'm not sure what to think of Maulkin's suggestion, because on the one hand it would allow for more options when having several players of the same class in one team, on the other side it could also get boring.

I meant templar has only channel/cast offensive skills, so if you want to heal quick you have to interrupt your cast which kinda sucks. Sorc on the other hand has instant cast skills and strong burst rotation.

Etaniel · December 2015

If we get a 3v3 tournament going I'd love it if we could do it in some village, or anywhere that is not completely open field. Using LoS in duels is cheezy, but in 3v3 I see it as a part of the strategy. Could be our own version or arenas.

Maulkin · December 2015

Etaniel wrote: »

If we get a 3v3 tournament going I'd love it if we could do it in some village, or anywhere that is not completely open field. Using LoS in duels is cheezy, but in 3v3 I see it as a part of the strategy. Could be our own version or arenas.

I don't think using LOS is cheesy in a 3v3 but the main problem with it is that the audience get the same treatment. So you'd have to run around town trying to get a glimpse of combat. The judges too.

The other effect is longer fights as LOS is effectively temporary immunity to damage.

Not sure what the best solution to that is tbh.

Etaniel · December 2015

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

If we get a 3v3 tournament going I'd love it if we could do it in some village, or anywhere that is not completely open field. Using LoS in duels is cheezy, but in 3v3 I see it as a part of the strategy. Could be our own version or arenas.

I don't think using LOS is cheesy in a 3v3 but the main problem with it is that the audience get the same treatment. So you'd have to run around town trying to get a glimpse of combat. The judges too.

The other effect is longer fights as LOS is effectively temporary immunity to damage.

Not sure what the best solution to that is tbh.

I'm not talking about fighting in a house or something, more like around a small pillar, stairs...
I'm sure we could find a nice spot that doesn't require the judges to move and yet gives a bit more depth to the fight

Sublime · December 2015

Erondil wrote: »

Sublime wrote: »

TBH, as soon as the enemy sorc has a templar at his side shield breaker is useless. What I don't get is, how does templar has a channel heal? BOL is instant cast afaik.

I'm not sure what to think of Maulkin's suggestion, because on the one hand it would allow for more options when having several players of the same class in one team, on the other side it could also get boring.

I meant templar has only channel/cast offensive skills, so if you want to heal quick you have to interrupt your cast which kinda sucks. Sorc on the other hand has instant cast skills and strong burst rotation.

I see. Well, spam dem spears I guess. xD

themdogesbite · December 2015

Khagal'Ur EU on youtube made a video from the event!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3b4dnq9gbU

Lava_Croft · December 2015

See! Nearly 2 years old and DK still OP!