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Derra

Need to "farm" permafrost jewelry quick.

Iyas

Or forbid shieldbreaker and all buggy skills?

Jura23

Sypher wrote: »

Curious if you guys are banning specific abilities/armor sets from the tournament.

Not telling you guys how to run your tournament but a list of things that I'm considering to take out of NA legend tournaments:

- Shield Breaker (5 Piece Bonus)
- Phoenix Set (5 Piece Bonus)
- Reverberating Bash (And any of its morphs, very buggy CC mechanics involved with this ability)
- Reactive Armor 5 Piece Bonus (Two Players running this set and you're asking for a stale mate) 90% of the time.

So we finally get something that is half decent for tanks in PvP and you would ban it? Come on dude. They are still giving up a lot to prevent you from bursting them down when CCed.

Dalglish

Seen as I left PC and got quite a lot of gold left over; I'll give an extra 50k each to the two people with the most entertaining duel.

I'll let the judges vote and hand that out, be nice to see a vid of it in here though

I'll mail the gold over to Lasto or you doge.

Derra

Jura23 wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

Curious if you guys are banning specific abilities/armor sets from the tournament.

Not telling you guys how to run your tournament but a list of things that I'm considering to take out of NA legend tournaments:

- Shield Breaker (5 Piece Bonus)
- Phoenix Set (5 Piece Bonus)
- Reverberating Bash (And any of its morphs, very buggy CC mechanics involved with this ability)
- Reactive Armor 5 Piece Bonus (Two Players running this set and you're asking for a stale mate) 90% of the time.

So we finally get something that is half decent for tanks in PvP and you would ban it? Come on dude. They are still giving up a lot to prevent you from bursting them down when CCed.

Since dmg after CC is about the only option to kill someone in a duel setting edit: not permitting use of that set in a dueling setting makes kind of sense.
There is no room for the "tank role" in duels anyway as unlimited resources pretty much guarantee a stalemate against such builds so outlasting an opponent is not an option.

EdTerra

Soulac wrote: »

Shield breaker is fine as long as the enemy doesn't use Harness Magicka, a skill useless in a fight against Stamina builds anyway (If it weren't bugged). Don't think that the only counter to shields should be taken out.
Otherwise Harness Magicka should be banned since it's buggy since beta, granting Magicka on all incoming dmg sources as long as combined with an another shield.

btw, shieldbreaker should not even work on harness magicka since it don't absorb stam damage

Nafirian

Soris wrote: »

Sounds great! Will be there to watch this time

Come back welkynd ;_:

Jura23

Derra wrote: »

Jura23 wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

Curious if you guys are banning specific abilities/armor sets from the tournament.

Not telling you guys how to run your tournament but a list of things that I'm considering to take out of NA legend tournaments:

- Shield Breaker (5 Piece Bonus)
- Phoenix Set (5 Piece Bonus)
- Reverberating Bash (And any of its morphs, very buggy CC mechanics involved with this ability)
- Reactive Armor 5 Piece Bonus (Two Players running this set and you're asking for a stale mate) 90% of the time.

So we finally get something that is half decent for tanks in PvP and you would ban it? Come on dude. They are still giving up a lot to prevent you from bursting them down when CCed.

Since dmg after CC is about the only option to kill someone in a duel setting edit: not permitting use of that set in a dueling setting makes kind of sense.
There is no room for the "tank role" in duels anyway as unlimited resources pretty much guarantee a stalemate against such builds so outlasting an opponent is not an option.

You can still have decent dmg as a tank, so it's not necessarily about outlasting somebody. But of course it's not my call what they want in their tournament.

Ahzek

@Jura23 thing is decent damage will not be enough to take down a competent player nowadays. Its burst or bust.

Jura23

Ahzek wrote: »

@Jura23 thing is decent damage will not be enough to take down a competent player nowadays. Its burst or bust.

Cool, but that's still not reason to ban the set, because that's already covered in the rules by the maximum time of the fight. If somebody comes in running Reactive unable to have enough offense, he will be knocked out in the first fight anyway.

pjwb16_ESO

Sypher wrote: »

Curious if you guys are banning specific abilities/armor sets from the tournament.

Not telling you guys how to run your tournament but a list of things that I'm considering to take out of NA legend tournaments:

- Shield Breaker (5 Piece Bonus)
- Phoenix Set (5 Piece Bonus)
- Reverberating Bash (And any of its morphs, very buggy CC mechanics involved with this ability)
- Reactive Armor 5 Piece Bonus (Two Players running this set and you're asking for a stale mate) 90% of the time.

agreed

themdogesbite

Sypher wrote: »

Curious if you guys are banning specific abilities/armor sets from the tournament.

Not telling you guys how to run your tournament but a list of things that I'm considering to take out of NA legend tournaments:

- Shield Breaker (5 Piece Bonus)
- Phoenix Set (5 Piece Bonus)
- Reverberating Bash (And any of its morphs, very buggy CC mechanics involved with this ability)
- Reactive Armor 5 Piece Bonus (Two Players running this set and you're asking for a stale mate) 90% of the time.

Thanks for your input, this is definetly some points worth discussing for us!

Soris

Nafirian wrote: »

Soris wrote: »

Sounds great! Will be there to watch this time

Come back welkynd ;_:

When all the stars align

Lava_Croft

If arbitrary things get banned, a system where everybody fights with the same pre-approved builds is not all that crazy.

Sypher

Jura23 wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

Curious if you guys are banning specific abilities/armor sets from the tournament.

Not telling you guys how to run your tournament but a list of things that I'm considering to take out of NA legend tournaments:

- Shield Breaker (5 Piece Bonus)
- Phoenix Set (5 Piece Bonus)
- Reverberating Bash (And any of its morphs, very buggy CC mechanics involved with this ability)
- Reactive Armor 5 Piece Bonus (Two Players running this set and you're asking for a stale mate) 90% of the time.

So we finally get something that is half decent for tanks in PvP and you would ban it? Come on dude. They are still giving up a lot to prevent you from bursting them down when CCed.

I have no problem with the above sets in an open setting. It's only in the dueling setting that it starts to cause issues, and quite simply makes the dueling scene not as competitive/fun as it used to be.

Like I said, those are just my opinions and haven't been implemented on NA (except for reverberating bash, which we just simply don't allow in tournaments). It's up to the Arena officers and coordinators to allow/forbid things. I was merely making suggestions.

Mojomonkeyman

Sypher wrote: »

Jura23 wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

Curious if you guys are banning specific abilities/armor sets from the tournament.

Not telling you guys how to run your tournament but a list of things that I'm considering to take out of NA legend tournaments:

- Shield Breaker (5 Piece Bonus)
- Phoenix Set (5 Piece Bonus)
- Reverberating Bash (And any of its morphs, very buggy CC mechanics involved with this ability)
- Reactive Armor 5 Piece Bonus (Two Players running this set and you're asking for a stale mate) 90% of the time.

So we finally get something that is half decent for tanks in PvP and you would ban it? Come on dude. They are still giving up a lot to prevent you from bursting them down when CCed.

I have no problem with the above sets in an open setting. It's only in the dueling setting that it starts to cause issues, and quite simply makes the dueling scene not as competitive/fun as it used to be.

Like I said, those are just my opinions and haven't been implemented on NA (except for reverberating bash, which we just simply don't allow in tournaments). It's up to the Arena officers and coordinators to allow/forbid things. I was merely making suggestions.

You allow wrecking blow but not reverb bash? The cc issue is very similar. Fear cc is also an issue. Where do you draw the line?

Just curious.

Sypher

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

Jura23 wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

Curious if you guys are banning specific abilities/armor sets from the tournament.

Not telling you guys how to run your tournament but a list of things that I'm considering to take out of NA legend tournaments:

- Shield Breaker (5 Piece Bonus)
- Phoenix Set (5 Piece Bonus)
- Reverberating Bash (And any of its morphs, very buggy CC mechanics involved with this ability)
- Reactive Armor 5 Piece Bonus (Two Players running this set and you're asking for a stale mate) 90% of the time.

So we finally get something that is half decent for tanks in PvP and you would ban it? Come on dude. They are still giving up a lot to prevent you from bursting them down when CCed.

I have no problem with the above sets in an open setting. It's only in the dueling setting that it starts to cause issues, and quite simply makes the dueling scene not as competitive/fun as it used to be.

Like I said, those are just my opinions and haven't been implemented on NA (except for reverberating bash, which we just simply don't allow in tournaments). It's up to the Arena officers and coordinators to allow/forbid things. I was merely making suggestions.

You allow wrecking blow but not reverb bash? The cc issue is very similar. Fear cc is also an issue. Where do you draw the line?

Just curious.

It all depends on the consistency of a bugged CC per fight.

I've fought plenty of wb and fear spammers and rarely experience fatal cc issues. But when it comes to reverberating bash, just about EVERY fight where an opponent is using this ability results in undesirable cc issues (delayed CC break, sliding on the floor, chain CC, unbreakable cc).

Mojomonkeyman

Sypher wrote: »

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

Jura23 wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

Curious if you guys are banning specific abilities/armor sets from the tournament.

Not telling you guys how to run your tournament but a list of things that I'm considering to take out of NA legend tournaments:

- Shield Breaker (5 Piece Bonus)
- Phoenix Set (5 Piece Bonus)
- Reverberating Bash (And any of its morphs, very buggy CC mechanics involved with this ability)
- Reactive Armor 5 Piece Bonus (Two Players running this set and you're asking for a stale mate) 90% of the time.

So we finally get something that is half decent for tanks in PvP and you would ban it? Come on dude. They are still giving up a lot to prevent you from bursting them down when CCed.

I have no problem with the above sets in an open setting. It's only in the dueling setting that it starts to cause issues, and quite simply makes the dueling scene not as competitive/fun as it used to be.

Like I said, those are just my opinions and haven't been implemented on NA (except for reverberating bash, which we just simply don't allow in tournaments). It's up to the Arena officers and coordinators to allow/forbid things. I was merely making suggestions.

You allow wrecking blow but not reverb bash? The cc issue is very similar. Fear cc is also an issue. Where do you draw the line?

Just curious.

It all depends on the consistency of a bugged CC per fight.

I've fought plenty of wb and fear spammers and rarely experience fatal cc issues. But when it comes to reverberating bash, just about EVERY fight where an opponent is using this ability results in undesirable cc issues (delayed CC break, sliding on the floor, chain CC, unbreakable cc).

Interesting, for me its the opposite. I never have issues with reverb or power bash but I consistently have it against WB and get repeatedly thrown into the air cause immunity not triggering in time.

So personal preference is the deciding factor?

Sypher

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

Jura23 wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

Curious if you guys are banning specific abilities/armor sets from the tournament.

Not telling you guys how to run your tournament but a list of things that I'm considering to take out of NA legend tournaments:

- Shield Breaker (5 Piece Bonus)
- Phoenix Set (5 Piece Bonus)
- Reverberating Bash (And any of its morphs, very buggy CC mechanics involved with this ability)
- Reactive Armor 5 Piece Bonus (Two Players running this set and you're asking for a stale mate) 90% of the time.

So we finally get something that is half decent for tanks in PvP and you would ban it? Come on dude. They are still giving up a lot to prevent you from bursting them down when CCed.

I have no problem with the above sets in an open setting. It's only in the dueling setting that it starts to cause issues, and quite simply makes the dueling scene not as competitive/fun as it used to be.

Like I said, those are just my opinions and haven't been implemented on NA (except for reverberating bash, which we just simply don't allow in tournaments). It's up to the Arena officers and coordinators to allow/forbid things. I was merely making suggestions.

You allow wrecking blow but not reverb bash? The cc issue is very similar. Fear cc is also an issue. Where do you draw the line?

Just curious.

It all depends on the consistency of a bugged CC per fight.

I've fought plenty of wb and fear spammers and rarely experience fatal cc issues. But when it comes to reverberating bash, just about EVERY fight where an opponent is using this ability results in undesirable cc issues (delayed CC break, sliding on the floor, chain CC, unbreakable cc).

Interesting, for me its the opposite. I never have issues with reverb or power bash but I consistently have it against WB and get repeatedly thrown into the air cause immunity not triggering in time.

So personal preference is the deciding factor?

Nope. Testing/Trial > Personal Preference.

SHADOW2KK

Sounds good, hopefully be about:}

Soris

16:00 gmt.. Isn't it so early? Considering you should be there at least 30 mins before the fights begin, it will still be day in west i guess. Would be better to make it after tea time

pjwb16_ESO

Soris wrote: »

16:00 gmt.. Isn't it so early? Considering you should be there at least 30 mins before the fights begin, it will still be day in west i guess. Would be better to make it after tea time

16 o clock is tea time isnt it

ToRelax

If you remember last time, it took quite a while.

Erondil

ToRelax wrote: »

If you remember last time, it took quite a while.

And I think we already have more people participating, and fight last even longer now.

Soulac

Erondil wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

If you remember last time, it took quite a while.

And I think we already have more people participating, and fight last even longer now.

We had long fights back then as well.
As long as it's not two tanks or Sorcs fighting each other, everything should be okay.
Last year we had a couple of fights lasting more than 10 minutes.

So even if some fights take longer now.. 10min.

Yuke

how long until final ruleset?

Abob

How about resetting CP's to 0?

Erondil

Abob wrote: »

How about resetting CP's to 0?

So people who built their setup with a certain amount of cp in mind have to completely change their gear? If you give me the gold for it, sure.

Etaniel

Abob wrote: »

How about resetting CP's to 0?

We have a cap in place now and a catch up mechanic, so CPs isn't so much an issue anymore. Everyone should be close to cap by now, or at least 300 + which is enough to be competitive I think.

Maulkin

Abob wrote: »

How about resetting CP's to 0?

There's a reasonable cap and catch-up mechanisms for a reason. We can't be setting duels always at the lowest possible denominator. Similar to other competitive end-game content, like vMSA, it's up to you to acquire the CPs and gear that allows you to compete. The game doesn't dumb down to 0 CPs just for you, why should duels?

Also as Erondil said, beyond the cost of resetting your CPs, you'd have to change all your sets to account for the loss of sustain and damage. The cost for crafting and testing legendary v16 sets runs into 100s of thousands of gold. None of the players I know would put themselves through this.

Also the effect on the duels of such a change is, from a mathematical point-of-view, very predictable. You'd lose a crap load of damage and sustain. Increasing your sustain will become a priority especially as damage is reduced and you can't rely on bursting people. So you'd have to sacrifice your damage sets for sustain sets (like change your Kagrenac to Seducer for example) which leads to even further loss of damage.

The effect would be much lower damage and fights being more of an attrition battle, which makes them lengthier and more boring. Pretty much like what happened when the Battle Spirit nerf was first released to live.

No thanks