Auction House ?

Targir · November 2015

U know what. I don't think they'll make Auction Houses. I hope they're allow bigger guild. like 1000 members each
500 is too few

k2blader · November 2015

Targir wrote: »

U know what. I don't think they'll make Auction Houses. I hope they're allow bigger guild. like 1000 members each
500 is too few

I generally agree though I would like an auction house to decrease the time I waste away from actually playing the game.

Also, bumpage to irk the anti-auction house people. :-)

Arkadius · November 2015

I like the current system because it's a game for itself. I understand that's not for everyone, but I like playing that game.

Also, this system is probably the biggest money sink in game. Thanks to the bidding system, tens of millions of gold vanish from the economy every week. Without this, we'd have an incredible inflation.

NobleNerd · November 2015

Xiana wrote: »

I like the current system because it's a game for itself. I understand that's not for everyone, but I like playing that game.

Also, this system is probably the biggest money sink in game. Thanks to the bidding system, tens of millions of gold vanish from the economy every week. Without this, we'd have an incredible inflation.

There are other ways to offer gold sink in the game. This is not a valid argument for support of a broken system that becomes more and more a waste of time to find items you want to purchase.

The other day I spent well over 1 hour porting around to numerous Traders to find (1) green recipe so I could make food for the Orsinium writs. I spent at least 2 hours looting and stealing trying to get them all so having to waste another hour running around Tamriel to find (1) recipe to finish my search is frustrating and unnecessary.

ArcVelarian · November 2015

Old timer here... But The only way I see auction houses working at all is with regional auction houses like in Star Wars Galaxies. You put an item up for sale in Wayrest, and it can only be bought from kiosks in Stormhaven; however, you can only put up 15 items for sale and the auction house takes a larger cut. This isn't so much different from the guild system, but it might satisfy all those people who don't want to be in a trading guild.

k2blader · November 2015

ArcVelarian wrote: »

Old timer here... But The only way I see auction houses working at all is with regional auction houses like in Star Wars Galaxies. You put an item up for sale in Wayrest, and it can only be bought from kiosks in Stormhaven; however, you can only put up 15 items for sale and the auction house takes a larger cut. This isn't so much different from the guild system, but it might satisfy all those people who don't want to be in a trading guild.

The only other MMO I've played is WoW, and I had no problem with the auction house in that game. In fact it made things more fun because I could get my buying/selling done quickly without wasting much time. If the system you suggest were to be implemented I think it'd be better than the current system. As long as the auction house cut is reasonable and it does NOT go to any trading guild.

recstudios.wdearrwb17_ESO · December 2015

Just came back, played for a week, have all these items that the vendor buys for 0 gold, come here thinking there has to be an AH, and find out that there is still no AH.

For me its an integral part of my play, I like to manage my time effectively, and having played WoW for its duration, I just cant get my head around why a game like this has no AH.

I dont see myself playing for much longer, again, as for me playing the market with an AH is a big part of my game style. And unfortunately this game is good in playing, but it lacks so badly in the economy side that its a choir to even sell anything.

If they added an AH, I would guess they would have a lot of people come back. They haven't even added a built in mini map to the UI after how many years now? I dont see them adding a complex system like an AH anytime soon, if ever, as it looks like all the workers are on other games, and this game has limited staffing now.

AFrostWolf · December 2015

They should put in an AH. Those who want it can use it and those who don't can stick with the old guild trader system. When they get annoyed with how lacking the guild trade system is, they can then know how the rest of us who wanted an AH felt. They are then free to keep using their broken guild system or move to the AH.

Haxnschwammer · December 2015

recstudios.wdearrwb17_ESO wrote: »

as for me playing the market with an AH

This is exactly the reason why so many pople don't want an AH.

Gidorick · December 2015

NobleNerd wrote: »

Xiana wrote: »

I like the current system because it's a game for itself. I understand that's not for everyone, but I like playing that game.

Also, this system is probably the biggest money sink in game. Thanks to the bidding system, tens of millions of gold vanish from the economy every week. Without this, we'd have an incredible inflation.

There are other ways to offer gold sink in the game. This is not a valid argument for support of a broken system that becomes more and more a waste of time to find items you want to purchase.

The other day I spent well over 1 hour porting around to numerous Traders to find (1) green recipe so I could make food for the Orsinium writs. I spent at least 2 hours looting and stealing trying to get them all so having to waste another hour running around Tamriel to find (1) recipe to finish my search is frustrating and unnecessary.

I LIKE that everything's not immediately avaliable to us at any time. It gives ESO a sense of player agency and takes the immediacy away from things like writs. Don't have a recipe? Ok, put a pin in that writ until you come across it. Feel like you MUST complete the writ? Ok, there's a means by which you can find that recipe, but it's not as easy as going down to your local MMO-Mart.

BalticBlues · December 2015

The current system works fine for people who are in a big trade guild.
Unfortunately, this is only a minority of players.
For the rest of players the system works bad.
The rich are getting richer, the poor ... you know.

Solution: Have one daily auctioneer in each of the three capitals for everbody.
ZOS could adapt the auctioneer's percentage at any time to adapt to inflation.

Both systems (guild trader and auctioneer) could work simultaneously:
1. People could buy at any time from a guild trader.
2. People could bid at any time for the "auctioneer's daily" auctions.

The best offers for the auctioneer's dailies would win at midnight.
Smart people would probably sell their stuff on the weekend dailies.

Tandor · December 2015

Haxnschwammer wrote: »

recstudios.wdearrwb17_ESO wrote: »

as for me playing the market with an AH

This is exactly the reason why so many pople don't want an AH.

And yet you could just as easily have quoted the post a couple above that one:-

Xiana wrote: »

I like the current system because it's a game for itself. I understand that's not for everyone, but I like playing that game.

People will "play the system" whatever form of trading system you have. The only question is whether every player should have access to the trading system rather than limiting access to a few guilds each week.

Ninnghizhidda · December 2015

"Micromanagement" is the word I can use for the current "system". Some people like it, fair enough. Personally I don't, have too little time for this joke.

This has been one principal factor I more or less said good bye to this game, sadly, because it still has many and great elements. From what I recall though, ZoS have made it pretty clear they never wanted an Auction House in, and I guess it will not happen (but never say never...).

And finally, not everyone is hell bent in "manipulating the economy", perhaps several people have concerns, but no system is perfect or foolproof and those who are going to spend all their time and effort to do just that, will find a way. I still believe making it a total chore for a large number of players isn't that wise, but whatever...

BalticBlues · December 2015

Ninnghizhidda wrote: »

"Micromanagement" is the word I can use for the current "system". Some people like it, fair enough. Personally I don't, have too little time

I think this is a fair complaint. While guild traders (and hopefullly auctioneers) bring personality into the game, they also require some micromanagement. I think a compromise could be helpful: guild traders and auctioneers with better search settings and slots for search settings. On PC there are really great addons for this, but on consoles the menues are painful to use: Having to adjust ALL search settings again and again for each visited trader on consoles is not fun, it is pure work. Please remove this tedious work from the game, ZOS, and make visiting traders (and hopefullly auctioneers) more enjoyable and faster with better search settings and SS slots.

Hiero_Glyph · December 2015

What if the auction house required a membership fee and taxed the buyer on each item purchased? This would keep the guild traders exactly as they are now but make the auction house a more expensive option for the sake of convenience. For example, what if an auction house required the buyer to pay a gold fee (2-5k) to use those services for that week. Additionally, any item purchased has a tax equal to a significant percentage of the item's value. I would suggest a tax of 50% of the item's purchase price so if an item costs 1,000 from a guild trader it would cost 1,500 from the auction house (although the seller would only get their cut from the original price of 1,000). This would make it more convenient but also penalize players who are using it to try and corner the market.

Depending on how the auction house pulls its data it could even waive the membership fee for any guild traders within that alliance and only require it for guild traders from other alliances; the buyers tax would still apply however. It doesn't need to be complicated but an auction house should cost more for the buyer than using the existing guild trader system. Also note that only items listed from each guild trader are eligible to be listed in the auction house as this would keep those rental prices in demand.

This would discourage item monopolization since buying items via the auction house would incur an additional cost over the item's worth. Players that use the guild traders would also avoid this fee so in some cases it can be a significant savings to check the guild traders. While 50% may seem too high the goal is to make the auction house a pay-for-convenience option, not to replace guild traders and I feel that this is a high enough finder's fee where players may search the guild traders before they use the auction house.

NobleNerd · December 2015

For many players (especially those who play casually) time is a very precious thing and should not be wasted on tedious mundane tasks as selling items to other players. With the current system one could spend countless days and hours finding the right trading guilds to even have a chance at selling their items.

Then the flip side.... the ESO buying mini game. If you are in need of a less common item and your trading guilds do not have them you get to play the traveling buying game and spend countless hours (at times) traveling Tamriel searching numerous stores for said item.

Now if you are a trading guild there is the asinine system of blind bidding to acquire a high traffic guild trader and you get to do this every 7 days!!!!

The system is broken and frustrating for many. It is tolerated because there is no other option, but it is not loved.

RizaHawkeye · December 2015

NobleNerd wrote: »

For many players (especially those who play casually) time is a very precious thing and should not be wasted on tedious mundane tasks as selling items to other players. With the current system one could spend countless days and hours finding the right trading guilds to even have a chance at selling their items.

Then the flip side.... the ESO buying mini game. If you are in need of a less common item and your trading guilds do not have them you get to play the traveling buying game and spend countless hours (at times) traveling Tamriel searching numerous stores for said item.

Now if you are a trading guild there is the asinine system of blind bidding to acquire a high traffic guild trader and you get to do this every 7 days!!!!

The system is broken and frustrating for many. It is tolerated because there is no other option, but it is not loved.

The truth of this was actually reinforced to me when I logged in this week after being away for a bit to play Fallout 4. When I returned, two of my guilds - both trade guilds - were shut down or shutting down. The first because the two people who ran the guild and maintained the website and forum were just moving on to something else. I understand that. But the guild was closing as a result.

The second was because there wasn't enough people participating in the guild's raffle, which seems to be the optimum way for guilds to make money. The guild leader said the recruitment was non-existent and the rest of us were just not participating in raffles.

Okay, fair enough. But this leaves me two less places to sell my stuff. Now I have to find other guilds to sell things or spam sell in zone chat, with I hate.

I've never really been in favor of an auction house, but it's starting to look better and better.

bryanhaas · December 2015

P3ZZL3 wrote: »

The other element that I think many don't account for, is that the Guild system is a Gold sink for ZoS. Bids for Guild Trader Outposts are in 7 figures on a weekly basis (for certain areas). In TamrielsTraders we bid in 6 figures for ours and lost him this week (and on a side note, we are happy for people to come join the guild - we are pretty chilled and more about the community - see my Sig for link...)

I won't go into the whole why an AH should or should not be implemented as I've been there, done that, but the only reason anyone has for wanting an AH is that "they can not be bothered to travel around looking and want everything immediately at their finger tips without having to do anything".

People scream and shout about Lore, but I don;t remember there ever being an Amazon in Tamriel?

There is an Amazon Prime trading guild tho.

Kidgangster101 · December 2015

I can only state my thoughts on this from playing many many many MMO games (starting back at everquest online adventures for ps2). Even that game had an AH system.

This system looks nice on paper and has the feel for how the time would have been. Different guilds all over the world selling and you have to go there for the price. This system is just fine on PC because you guys have adons (stuff not meant to be in the game might I add) where you can find different locations of items and their prices.

Lets take Ancient orc chest motif as example- takes you guys 10 minutes total to find it and get to it for the cheapest price possible. Now lets explore me as a ps4 user looking for the same item.

I start in whatever city I am in search every Guild Trader there and fine none. Now I sit in a 5 minute load screen search another area none in that area then another 5 minute load screen I find one but it is way more then I would want to pay so I have to search another location. I repeat this process until I finally find one for a reasonable price and I buy it but not I just spent 3 hours running around on all traders until I found one.

I don't know about you all on pc if you didn't have the addon but to me this doesn't feel fun. I just wasted all that time not even enjoying playing a game but if we had an AH I could do what you guys do on PC search the exact item I want and buy it taking me all of 10mins.

So again if you guys have the addon and they wont release an addon for us ps4 users why should I have to waste my entire night because you guys are okay with the current system where you can basically cheat to save yourself time and a lot of money?

NobleNerd · December 2015

Kidgangster101 wrote: »

I can only state my thoughts on this from playing many many many MMO games (starting back at everquest online adventures for ps2). Even that game had an AH system.

This system looks nice on paper and has the feel for how the time would have been. Different guilds all over the world selling and you have to go there for the price. This system is just fine on PC because you guys have adons (stuff not meant to be in the game might I add) where you can find different locations of items and their prices.

ZOS designed the game to allow addons so it IS intended to be in the game. If ZOS does not want an addon function in the game they wouldn't allow for the LUA and API

Lets take Ancient orc chest motif as example- takes you guys 10 minutes total to find it and get to it for the cheapest price possible. Now lets explore me as a ps4 user looking for the same item.

I start in whatever city I am in search every Guild Trader there and fine none. Now I sit in a 5 minute load screen search another area none in that area then another 5 minute load screen I find one but it is way more then I would want to pay so I have to search another location. I repeat this process until I finally find one for a reasonable price and I buy it but not I just spent 3 hours running around on all traders until I found one.

I don't know about you all on pc if you didn't have the addon but to me this doesn't feel fun. I just wasted all that time not even enjoying playing a game but if we had an AH I could do what you guys do on PC search the exact item I want and buy it taking me all of 10mins.

So again if you guys have the addon and they wont release an addon for us ps4 users why should I have to waste my entire night because you guys are okay with the current system where you can basically cheat to save yourself time and a lot of money?

I do feel for many that play this game on console... it is very lacking in function and tools at its core. Let alone you have no text chat system to zone chat trade.

Divinius · December 2015

The only good thing, is that when this game dies down to the point of only having a couple thousand players left per server, there will only need to be a handful of trade guilds. So buyers will be able to check everything that's for sale by only going to a few kiosks.

Gidorick · December 2015

BalticBlues wrote: »

The current system works fine for people who are in a big trade guild.
Unfortunately, this is only a minority of players.
For the rest of players the system works bad.
The rich are getting richer, the poor ... you know.

Solution: Have one daily auctioneer in each of the three capitals for everbody.
ZOS could adapt the auctioneer's percentage at any time to adapt to inflation.

Both systems (guild trader and auctioneer) could work simultaneously:
1. People could buy at any time from a guild trader.
2. People could bid at any time for the "auctioneer's daily" auctions.

The best offers for the auctioneer's dailies would win at midnight.
Smart people would probably sell their stuff on the weekend dailies.

Lol. Check out my Auction Horse concept @BalticBlues http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/159594/eso-needs-an-auction-horse-expanded-concept/p1

Nolphi · December 2015

I loved the auction house in D3 even its notorious cash version. I was very sad when that shut down and I quit D3 almost immediately after. I would welcome a gold and crown auction house but understand that I am probably one of few that would like that.

MercyKilling · December 2015

Same tired arguments against, same tired rebuttals without anything actually new coming to the table. This "conversation" has been going on since launch, with nothing new being added.

TL: DR;

GIVE US AN AUCTION HOUSE ALREADY.

SilentFox22 · December 2015

I hate the current "guild store" feature. None of my guilds are large enough to even set one up which means I have to ditch one of the guilds I love in favor of a guild store guild. >.<

RAGUNAnoOne · December 2015

Gidorick wrote: »

BalticBlues wrote: »

The current system works fine for people who are in a big trade guild.
Unfortunately, this is only a minority of players.
For the rest of players the system works bad.
The rich are getting richer, the poor ... you know.

Solution: Have one daily auctioneer in each of the three capitals for everbody.
ZOS could adapt the auctioneer's percentage at any time to adapt to inflation.

Both systems (guild trader and auctioneer) could work simultaneously:
1. People could buy at any time from a guild trader.
2. People could bid at any time for the "auctioneer's daily" auctions.

The best offers for the auctioneer's dailies would win at midnight.
Smart people would probably sell their stuff on the weekend dailies.

Lol. Check out my Auction Horse concept @BalticBlues http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/159594/eso-needs-an-auction-horse-expanded-concept/p1

How many times in this tread have you posted about this?

i3ig_Gun · December 2015

ZOS_TristanK wrote: »

Hi, all. The discussion is getting quite heated and a bit personal. We've done a bit of moderating in this thread and would like to see you all continue to discuss our economy and auction houses constructively. Remember, if you feel yourself getting a bit too heated, take a break and come back to the thread refreshed.

Agreed.

Iluvrien · December 2015

Kidgangster101 wrote: »

I can only state my thoughts on this from playing many many many MMO games (starting back at everquest online adventures for ps2). Even that game had an AH system.

And yet by stating that you have played “many many many” MMO games you seek to add weight to your opinion. It has been stated before, but it could do with being repeated, just because any particular, or all games, have a feature does not mean that any new game requires it automatically. Any feature to be imported has to be considered in terms of the game itself.

Kidgangster101 wrote: »

This system looks nice on paper and has the feel for how the time would have been. Different guilds all over the world selling and you have to go there for the price. This system is just fine on PC because you guys have adons (stuff not meant to be in the game might I add) where you can find different locations of items and their prices.

And yet not all of those add-ons are used by all people. Awesome Guild Store is useful for its changes to the UI, but this does not change the fundamental nature of the current Guild Store system. Master Merchant, which is the add-on that you seem to be referring to with your comment about prices, was excellent early on… right up to the point where I realised that it’s data was incomplete and had been, in some cases, manipulated. I have installed it. I don’t use it. The Guild Store system doesn’t actually require it.

So the argument that the Guild Store system is fine on PC because of the existence of add-ons that some people don’t even use is flawed.

Kidgangster101 wrote: »

Lets take Ancient orc chest motif as example- takes you guys 10 minutes total to find it and get to it for the cheapest price possible. Now lets explore me as a ps4 user looking for the same item.
I start in whatever city I am in search every Guild Trader there and fine none. Now I sit in a 5 minute load screen search another area none in that area then another 5 minute load screen I find one but it is way more then I would want to pay so I have to search another location. I repeat this process until I finally find one for a reasonable price and I buy it but not I just spent 3 hours running around on all traders until I found one.

First of all, the load screen issue has nothing to do with the Guild Trader system itself. It is just something that makes your city swapping longer. The PC fixes to the loading screen problem have been very successful and hopefully will be to you too.

Second, what is with this “I need it right this moment” approach? I keep seeing it from people. You know how I got around this? I browsed a little when I stopped off in a settlement, I picked a couple of traders (especially if I already recognised the Guild Names) and had a look through the categories that I found interesting in their inventories. Sometimes I find something I am interested in and buy it, and sometimes I don’t and move on.

This way I spend about 5-10 minutes in a session looking and find all sorts of weird and wonderful things, and this is the important part, quite often before any self-imposed deadline is reached. I don’t waste 3 hours of game time looking for something, because I have planned ahead and usually have it before I need it.

Kidgangster101 wrote: »

I don't know about you all on pc if you didn't have the addon but to me this doesn't feel fun. I just wasted all that time not even enjoying playing a game but if we had an AH I could do what you guys do on PC search the exact item I want and buy it taking me all of 10mins.

The AH adds nothing but convenience. It doesn’t add flavour or texture to the playing experience at all. It doesn’t reflect the world. It doesn’t reflect the other systems in the game. It is a lazy way to dump stuff you don’t need from your inventory but would feel bad about deconstructing. I’ve seen it and used it in other games. It felt like an opportunity that was wasted. This doesn’t.

Kidgangster101 wrote: »

So again if you guys have the addon and they wont release an addon for us ps4 users why should I have to waste my entire night because you guys are okay with the current system where you can basically cheat to save yourself time and a lot of money?

See above. It is possible to use the Guild Trader system without MM. If they integrate the functionality of AGS into the Trader UI then it gets even easier. If you plan ahead then you won’t “waste” your entire night.

What you seem to be arguing for is a change to the UI (better searches, possible links between stores to compare market prices) not a change to the Guild Trader system itself. Is this actually the case or do you have a fundamental point that you are actually trying to make here?

Kidgangster101 · December 2015

My point is I want to play the game I want to and this system (from a pc player arguing with us again) sees this as a waste of time. The AH has worked in many many many many games why not put it in the game if it works? You say my points aren't valid but try going into ps4 and play the game. If i want to buy this through chat I can't use text chat like PC I have to join a chat with 50 people screaming and yelling babies crying kids swearing and I have to try to talk over all of them....... SO again I want this item (and yes I do want it now theres a reason its in the game why should I be punished because of a flawed system on playstation) even others can see what we are going through here we are literally in the stone age. I swear we have all this technology in the world and I feel like I am a caveman trying to invent a wheel to accomplish anything on ps4.

I do not want to quit the game because I enjoy it and I have never come on here to complain but this no AH and no text chat is literally a killer for ps4 and most PC players come on here and say us ps4 players can do without it. So do you actually have anything to say that can help us over here or are you just gonna say no because everything is easy on your end as pc?

Iluvrien · December 2015

Really? My arguments aren't valid because I am on PC? So you aren't saying what my suggestions are incorrect, or based on faulty logic... but because I am on PC. Right. You do know what an ad hominem argument is, right?

I have been around since PC early access. You know what that means? That means I predate kiosks. I first started playing the game when trading within your own Guilds was the only way, without using zone chat, to sell anything. I have seen ESO before kiosks, after kiosks but before AGS and MM, and after AGS and MM. In every case I believe that the problems with the system are due to the UI layered on top of it, not the Guild Trader system itself.

I gave reasons why I think that the AH should not be added to this game. I see no reason to repeat them when you haven't addressed them.

That said, I do agree that the consoles need to see changes, text chat probably is the big one and I honestly hope that ZOS comes through on that for you. What I do not agree with is that they should make fundamental changes to the Guild Trader system on my game just because of missing UI and communication features on yours. Fair?