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So why is the frost staff so bad?
It seems to hold identical numerical values to fire staff, but everyone uses fire staff, and I don't get it!
Can someone please enlighten me? Thank you.
It seems to hold identical numerical values to fire staff, but everyone uses fire staff, and I don't get it!
Can someone please enlighten me? Thank you.
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Tryxus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭3 Staves:
- Fire
- Ice
- Lightning
Ppl prefer to weave their attacks, which means lightning is out
- Fire
- Ice
1. Fire Heavy Attacks do more damage, while Ice grants a damage shield
2. Vampires in PvP have a Fire Weakness whereas 1 race has a Frost Resistance
3. Ice does snare but there are several Class Abilities that causes snares as well whereas Fire applies a DoT effect that helps killing faster
- Fire
Fire wins!
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Tyrion87✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Who said that the frost staff is bad? I use it a lot and very like it since it's very useful in connection with the Destructive Clench spell - its freeze effect immobilizes enemies which I think is as great as the knockback effect that comes from the flame staff. I find the lighting staff the least useful.0 -
anitajoneb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Good title... and good question ! :-)
I think it's because two classes have elemental-based passive boni : sorcs are thunder-based and DKs are fire-based. No class and no bonus boosts ice effects so far.
One race (at least) has fire-boosting passives (Dunmer/Dark elf). I don't think any race has ice damage boni.
The three staves have identical base damage but different effects : fire causes more damage, frost provides CC (slowing target down) and lighting interrupts.
And the current meta is all in favor of raw damage having to be as high as possible (at least in PvE), so in group content, CC effects such as frost are not very useful. Furthermore, if someone wants or need to use CC, other effects are much more efficient than the simple slowing down offered by the frost staff.
I'm not much of a PvPer so I don't know about that context.
I like frost staves too but I don't use them for all these reasons.
Edited by anitajoneb17_ESO on November 20, 2015 10:39AM0 -
anitajoneb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭So ill basically gimp myself by not going fire?
Depends on how you want to play. But if you want to play a DPS running 4-man-dungeons and trials, you'll have to go fire staff, else yes, you'll be unnecessarily handicapped.
Admittedly, it's not "critical", but when it comes to HL DPS, it's the addition of "little" things that pile up and make you a good DPS (and their absence making you a bad or average DPS).
And ALL competitive high-level endgame content at the moment revolves around high DPS.
If you want to play solo / explore / quest / IC districts and such, you'll be just as good with an ice staff, doesn't matter really, crowd control can be helpful there.
Can't tell about PvP.Edited by anitajoneb17_ESO on November 20, 2015 1:58PM0 -
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✭✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »So ill basically gimp myself by not going fire?
Depends on how you want to play. But if you want to play a DPS running 4-man-dungeons and trials, you'll have to go fire staff, else yes, you'll be unnecessarily handicapped.
Admittedly, it's not "critical", but when it comes to HL DPS, it's the addition of "little" things that pile up and make you a good DPS (and their absence making you a bad or average DPS).
And ALL competitive high-level endgame content at the moment revolves around high DPS.
If you want to play solo / explore / quest / IC districts and such, you'll be just as good with an ice staff, doesn't matter really, crowd control can be helpful there.
Can't tell about PvP.
Well, my personal interest lies more in PvP, but I was just generally curious.0 -
jakeedmundson✭✭✭✭✭i always though ice staff was fun... if you use destructive touch it has a nice cc to it (but that skill isn't the greatest damaging skill in the list).... leveling with a dest staff, i used it because it was helpful.
And like everyone else already said, fire always outperforms it damage-wise. And with lightning at least you get a passive for aoe damage. frost just gives you a tiny shield that doesn't really help much.
It would be fun if they looked at the ice skills again and made them more useful.... at least make players want to choose between fire and something else.CP690
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✭✭✭So why is the frost staff so bad?
It seems to hold identical numerical values to fire staff, but everyone uses fire staff, and I don't get it!
Can someone please enlighten me? Thank you.
I prefer fire and lightning, simply because it looks for me much more better (graphically). Also fire staff has better effect (throw away oponent) than frost (freeze), prefer that.Edited by altemriel on November 20, 2015 3:29PM0 -
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✭I... I have been using lightning... Is that bad? What does "weave" refer to?
Light attack weaving it's when you light attack and cancel the animation by casting an ablity right after. Making it seem like you just used an ablity but doing the damage of the light attack and the ablity. The light attack adds 3-4K to your DPS per attack.
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✭✭kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »I... I have been using lightning... Is that bad? What does "weave" refer to?
Light attack weaving it's when you light attack and cancel the animation by casting an ablity right after. Making it seem like you just used an ablity but doing the damage of the light attack and the ablity. The light attack adds 3-4K to your DPS per attack.
Shouldn't be a problem with Lightning staff. Will only be a problem if you try to weave medium attacks which will just end up not working since lightning heavy is a channel.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »I... I have been using lightning... Is that bad? What does "weave" refer to?
Light attack weaving it's when you light attack and cancel the animation by casting an ablity right after. Making it seem like you just used an ablity but doing the damage of the light attack and the ablity. The light attack adds 3-4K to your DPS per attack.
Shouldn't be a problem with Lightning staff. Will only be a problem if you try to weave medium attacks which will just end up not working since lightning heavy is a channel.
Yeah, but most ppl prefer to medium weave since the game registers it as a heavy attack. Which means it'll activate certain passives or extra effects on skills like Igneous Weapons"Stand strong, stay true and shelter all."
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✭✭✭✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »Good title... and good question ! :-)
I think it's because two classes have elemental-based passive boni : sorcs are thunder-based and DKs are fire-based. No class and no bonus boosts ice effects so far.
One race (at least) has fire-boosting passives (Dunmer/Dark elf). I don't think any race has ice damage boni.
The three staves have identical base damage but different effects : fire causes more damage, frost provides CC (slowing target down) and lighting interrupts.
And the current meta is all in favor of raw damage having to be as high as possible (at least in PvE), so in group content, CC effects such as frost are not very useful. Furthermore, if someone wants or need to use CC, other effects are much more efficient than the simple slowing down offered by the frost staff.
I'm not much of a PvPer so I don't know about that context.
I like frost staves too but I don't use them for all these reasons.
High Elf gets a bonus to frost damage.
And I believe the best DPS setup in the game right now involves the use of a Frost Staff. (if the damn thing would ever drop for me ) = )Edited by Ezareth on November 21, 2015 3:56AMPermanently banned from the forums for displaying dissent: ESO - The Year Behind
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TheNephilimCrow✭✭✭Who said that the frost staff is bad? I use it a lot and very like it since it's very useful in connection with the Destructive Clench spell - its freeze effect immobilizes enemies which I think is as great as the knockback effect that comes from the flame staff. I find the lighting staff the least useful.
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✭✭✭✭✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »So ill basically gimp myself by not going fire?
Depends on how you want to play. But if you want to play a DPS running 4-man-dungeons and trials, you'll have to go fire staff, else yes, you'll be unnecessarily handicapped.
Admittedly, it's not "critical", but when it comes to HL DPS, it's the addition of "little" things that pile up and make you a good DPS (and their absence making you a bad or average DPS).
And ALL competitive high-level endgame content at the moment revolves around high DPS.
If you want to play solo / explore / quest / IC districts and such, you'll be just as good with an ice staff, doesn't matter really, crowd control can be helpful there.
Can't tell about PvP.
Well, my personal interest lies more in PvP, but I was just generally curious.
Then go frost. The CC effect from ice is especially awesome in PvP.Nightfighters ― PC/NA and PC/EU
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