@runkorkoeb17_ESO you counter 3 ppl spamming wrecking blow the same way you counter any other situation where you're outnumbered 3:1: git gud and l2p. Most people won't survive being outnumbered 3:1 regardless of what skills are being used, assuming the larger party is competent. Judging by how salty you are towards this easily avoided skill, I safely assume you are most people. Only one whining here is you mate.

For the risk involved, for the cast time, for how easy it is to avoid, and for the role the skill occupies (main damage skill for the heavy weapons skill tree) Wrecking Blow is completely fine. The only changes that could be justified are the removal of empower or a change to the CC, its base damage should not be touched. Also, I think flurry should be buffed by having the cast time significantly cut down, so that it'd be more competitive with 2h in PvP damage.

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

Olen_Mikko wrote: »

What if you just L2P or try to learn counter it.

For example, walk through while WB is being casted. Simple as that.

Don't just run like a fool and spam AoE, observe what is going on around you and you start to see when WB is being casted.

Pls shut up, or explain me how you counter 3 ppl spaming WB on you ? Cyro is far from 1v1 you know. My armor is 25k and i stil get 8k + WB hits. This skill must be nerfed to the ground (i use 2h too but i dont use WB because is broken same as Reverberating Bash ) If ppl spam it - NERF it, problem solved. To all WB spaming monkeys, spare me your whining!
to ZoS -Fix WB, fix Reverberating Bash and for the love of god fix 2h axe bleed chanse (now is 100%). And is time to show some love to DK!

How do you survive 3 nightblades spamming Ambush on you? How do you survive 3 sorcs spamming fragments on you? Unless they're bad players and you're extremely good....you dont. Kind of the whole point of a 3 on 1.

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

CyrusArya wrote: »

@runkorkoeb17_ESO you counter 3 ppl spamming wrecking blow the same way you counter any other situation where you're outnumbered 3:1: git gud and l2p. Most people won't survive being outnumbered 3:1 regardless of what skills are being used, assuming the larger party is competent. Judging by how salty you are towards this easily avoided skill, I safely assume you are most people. Only one whining here is you mate.

For the risk involved, for the cast time, for how easy it is to avoid, and for the role the skill occupies (main damage skill for the heavy weapons skill tree) Wrecking Blow is completely fine. The only changes that could be justified are the removal of empower or a change to the CC, its base damage should not be touched. Also, I think flurry should be buffed by having the cast time significantly cut down, so that it'd be more competitive with 2h in PvP damage.

no one here speaks for 3v1, you can be selected even in 10v10 and you know it. L2p you say ?:) Trust me i know how to play and probably i play better than you (if you are on EU and not from EP i can show you, even with my v8 alt) Salty... yes i`m salty because the last i want to see is bunch of monkeys runing in cyro and spaming one skill, and this we see now ( with exuses like - my class dont have any dmg skill and i`l exploit broken ones til ZoS give me better) This wont change facts. all 3 skills i mentioned above are broken and need to be fixed. Is up to ZoS.

What class/build do you play? Maybe folks can make some suggestions to help alleviate the pain. I typically cannot survive 3 people spamming anything on me, but in a 1v1 situation there are ways to counter WB.

@runkorkoeb17_ESO ahh but my friend, that is what you seem to not be understanding. The 'monkeys' running around only spamming WB without incorporating other skills in their line up are just gimping themselves. Simply using Wrecking Blow without working in other 2h/class skills is just begging to get rekt by a good player. You'll only hit half those WBs, and get torn apart while obliviously spamming the skill. Besides, every class and every build 'spams'- that is to say relies- on one skill for their main dps. How the game was designed and how it's always been.

Calling a skill 'broken' is completely a subjective matter. I've seen like half the skills in this game labelled broken on these forums by reactionary people. Unless it's clearly not working as intended, i.e. 10k refreshing path ticks, there is nothing factual to what you personally think is broken.

Stamina Sorcs and Dks having no other viable options for steady dps however is a very valid concern, not an excuse.

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

"0:01 - you get hit by the first knockdown
0:05 - you stand up, and your first immunity starts. (notice that the immunity only starts after you stand up, not while you are lying down)
0:11 - your first immunity expires
0:12 - you get hit by the second knockdown
<up until this point everything is working as it should. but now...>
0:14 - you stand up from the 2nd knockdown, but your immunity has not been applied yet. You eat the 3rd knockdown
0:15 - NOW your immunity from the 2nd knockdown is applied (too late). You are lying on the floor, with immunity running.
0:21 - your second immunity expires
0:22 - 4th knockdown, and the end. "

So your problem isn't with Wrecking Blow at all. It's with CC immunity not functioning correctly, which we all agree is an issue.

As a stamina DK I really have to say... WTF?
What skills should I use then? We already have only 3 spammable skills which are Puncture, Low Slash and Uppercat and non of them is a DK skill :'D
Stam sorcs are in the same situation btw

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

Olen_Mikko wrote: »

What if you just L2P or try to learn counter it.

For example, walk through while WB is being casted. Simple as that.

Don't just run like a fool and spam AoE, observe what is going on around you and you start to see when WB is being casted.

Pls shut up, or explain me how you counter 3 ppl spaming WB on you ? Cyro is far from 1v1 you know. My armor is 25k and i stil get 8k + WB hits. This skill must be nerfed to the ground (i use 2h too but i dont use WB because is broken same as Reverberating Bash ) If ppl spam it - NERF it, problem solved. To all WB spaming monkeys, spare me your whining!
to ZoS -Fix WB, fix Reverberating Bash and for the love of god fix 2h axe bleed chanse (now is 100%). And is time to show some love to DK!

Surprise attack is instant cast and does the same damage if not more than a wrecking blow. I realize the knock back is not present but try 3 ambush/SA spammers. They will be far worse to handle.

I see no issues with the way WB is right now. It has a cast time and is easily avoidable.

The two Bolt Escape nerfs were the first introduction of cooldowns to the game. Both were terrible.

Another cool down would be equally terrible.

I'd rather have them undo some of the bad/needless nerfs since launch (Including Bolt Escape, Impulse, Resto Passives, Biting Jabs, and more.)

A balance policy where you're constantly nerfing the flavor of the month, rather than buffing up alternative strategies, eventually leads to dull and neutered combat.

WB spam is a symptom, not the problem and it doesn't need to be nerfed.

CyrusArya wrote: »

@runkorkoeb17_ESO ahh but my friend, that is what you seem to not be understanding. The 'monkeys' running around only spamming WB without incorporating other skills in their line up are just gimping themselves. Simply using Wrecking Blow without working in other 2h/class skills is just begging to get rekt by a good player. You'll only hit half those WBs, and get torn apart while obliviously spamming the skill. Besides, every class and every build 'spams'- that is to say relies- on one skill for their main dps. How the game was designed and how it's always been.

Calling a skill 'broken' is completely a subjective matter. I've seen like half the skills in this game labelled broken on these forums by reactionary people. Unless it's clearly not working as intended, i.e. 10k refreshing path ticks, there is nothing factual to what you personally think is broken.

Stamina Sorcs and Dks having no other viable options for steady dps however is a very valid concern, not an excuse.

Yea, while considered cheap because of the CC immunity exploit, WB has many counters to validate its strength.
You'd have to try a stam build to really appreciate what this skill brings to the table (for stam templars you'll be spamming jabs which can seem annoying but it also has movement counters.)

Example of broken skill: Radiant oppression for templars. It was confirmed its dmg ticks were random selections of low or high ticks instead of dmg increased per level of low health.

Example of spell with accidental exploit component: wrecking blow cc immunity counting when you stand up. (Is working as intended but ZOS misjudged how fast the community finds loop holes and 'exploits' it to their advantage.). Refer to animation canceling (an accidental mechanic to override combat visuals to allow dmg to go all at once ) being considered by ZOS as clever use of game mechanics.

Yea its cheap, but the flip side is for every exploit pulling players to build the same builds, you can craft a build against them to have some success. Right now impen traits are viable due to increase in NB and sorcs in pvp (lots of stam crit builds right now).

frozywozy wrote: »

Kronuxx wrote: »

Wrecking blow is easily avoidable if you are on the receiving end. It really is. And if you are on the delivering end, do you know how frustrating it is to land WB when it takes a sec cast time (which is a long time in a pvp fight) and it gets canceled multiple times because the other players moves around? Yeah, it's very frustrating. I'd love it if they gave class skill stamina alternatives as a high damage outputting skill to use rather than WB.

There is. Bitting Jabs and Surprise Attacks hit as hard as Wrecking Blow, if not more. Plus, Surprise Attacks don't even have a channeling or casting time and can be casted from stealth (cloak) in some scenarios.

Problem is that DKs and Sorcs don't have a high hitting stamina morph ability, yet.

Soooo, wrecking blow cannot be casted from sneak/cloak ?



WB cast time 1 second, cloak duration 2.9sec with all shadow-line passives.

Edit: SA hit as hard as Wrecking blow? If someone can hit you hard with SA, then you can bet that he'd hit you way harder with wrecking blow.

CC immunity is the problem, I've had it happen to opponent's when a proc ed frag hits that perfect timing.

WB by itself is fine, this bug happens with Fear, Knock down, WB, Frag etc... imo the fear happenin twice is just as bad.

DKs need love, period. Yes there are builds (like 2) they are pigeon holed.

Temps need love too.

WB is good, destro staff needs wall of elements boost or a equal to wb type move.

Daedric Prey needs a boost.

NBs feel like they are in a great place atm.

Im sharing lol

Minno wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Kronuxx wrote: »

Wrecking blow is easily avoidable if you are on the receiving end. It really is. And if you are on the delivering end, do you know how frustrating it is to land WB when it takes a sec cast time (which is a long time in a pvp fight) and it gets canceled multiple times because the other players moves around? Yeah, it's very frustrating. I'd love it if they gave class skill stamina alternatives as a high damage outputting skill to use rather than WB.

There is. Bitting Jabs and Surprise Attacks hit as hard as Wrecking Blow, if not more. Plus, Surprise Attacks don't even have a channeling or casting time and can be casted from stealth (cloak) in some scenarios.

Problem is that DKs and Sorcs don't have a high hitting stamina morph ability, yet.

Soooo, wrecking blow cannot be casted from sneak/cloak ?



WB cast time 1 second, cloak duration 2.9sec with all shadow-line passives.

Edit: SA hit as hard as Wrecking blow? If someone can hit you hard with SA, then you can bet that he'd hit you way harder with wrecking blow.

Wb'buff doesn't work on its self.
SA works with crit bonus from stealth. Cloak +SAwill always hit harder than WB because SA is instant cast along with cloak.

Which wb buff are you talking about? The 20% empower?

A hit with surprise attack from cloak isn't a guaranted crit hit unless you have that morph (which nearly noone uses because then all DOTS will break your cloak.

For the hit to be a 100% crit need to be in sneak/fully crouched. Only being cloaked doesn't give you a 100% crit hit. And if you are fully crouched using exactly same gear , stats etc, from sneak the WB will always hit harder.

Only way to get surprise attack to similar levels is to use ambush before SA to get the 20% empower from ambush. But then again you can also do ambush -> wrecking blow.

Seems you have the cloak and sneak damage bonuses confused.

If you are a nightblade and cloaked (not crouching) you get 10% more weapondamage/spelldmg) while invisible.
10% more if you are a khajiit/bosmer NB.

But just using cloak or invis pot doesn't give you a 100% crit hit.

And you can infact use cloak then wreckingblow before you are visible again, resulting in 10% more weapondamage. 20% more if you are bosmer / khajiit nb.

You follow? Im tired as hell.

Can make a video using identical gear and stats/setups on My stam nb and comparing wrecking blow vs surprise attack. Both from cloak and from crouched sneak. My bet is that the wb will always do more damage per hit.

SA is better to put out faster attacks since wb is easier to avoid. Just don't say a SA hits harder than a WB. And once again: try using cloak then using wb. It's ver effective sometimes

I summon @DeanTheCat to be My video testsubject tomorrow

Minno wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Kronuxx wrote: »

Wrecking blow is easily avoidable if you are on the receiving end. It really is. And if you are on the delivering end, do you know how frustrating it is to land WB when it takes a sec cast time (which is a long time in a pvp fight) and it gets canceled multiple times because the other players moves around? Yeah, it's very frustrating. I'd love it if they gave class skill stamina alternatives as a high damage outputting skill to use rather than WB.

There is. Bitting Jabs and Surprise Attacks hit as hard as Wrecking Blow, if not more. Plus, Surprise Attacks don't even have a channeling or casting time and can be casted from stealth (cloak) in some scenarios.

Problem is that DKs and Sorcs don't have a high hitting stamina morph ability, yet.

Soooo, wrecking blow cannot be casted from sneak/cloak ?



WB cast time 1 second, cloak duration 2.9sec with all shadow-line passives.

Edit: SA hit as hard as Wrecking blow? If someone can hit you hard with SA, then you can bet that he'd hit you way harder with wrecking blow.

Wb'buff doesn't work on its self.

It was changed with the buff rework in 1.6? (I wasn't around at that time). Tooltip used to especify it didn't work with itself, but now its changed to Empower buff, that aplies to next atack, so spam is the right way to get best results of that empower. Someone correct me if im wrong.