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Are there too many Bind On Pick-up (BOP) sets in the new content?
EgoRush
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We've seen Imperial City and Orsinium drop in the past year, both exciting new content that I have thoroughly enjoyed playing. However, of the ~32 new sets (excluding crafted sets) 23 of these are BOP with random traits and pieces dropping.
I have a few issues with this as guild traders seem less useful as people largely just sell motifs, mats, potions and Willpower/Endurance/Agility (who goes to a guild trader to find armour pieces lately...). Furthermore, many of the decent sets are BOP, random traits, and somewhat difficult to obtain (e.g. Spell Power Cure, Overwhelming, Sheer Venom, Briarheart, Scathing). I don't want to swell my bank space with all these sets, I want to be able to sell some of them on to people who would give them more of a loving home.
This game is an MMORPG, but I feel like the armour drops are forcing people to play for themselves and grind parts of the game they aren't as interested in.
Would people prefer more Bind On Equip (BOE) sets over BOP? Could some of these sets be unbound?
Edited by EgoRush on November 13, 2015 11:22AM I have a few issues with this as guild traders seem less useful as people largely just sell motifs, mats, potions and Willpower/Endurance/Agility (who goes to a guild trader to find armour pieces lately...). Furthermore, many of the decent sets are BOP, random traits, and somewhat difficult to obtain (e.g. Spell Power Cure, Overwhelming, Sheer Venom, Briarheart, Scathing). I don't want to swell my bank space with all these sets, I want to be able to sell some of them on to people who would give them more of a loving home.
This game is an MMORPG, but I feel like the armour drops are forcing people to play for themselves and grind parts of the game they aren't as interested in.
Would people prefer more Bind On Equip (BOE) sets over BOP? Could some of these sets be unbound?
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Are there too many Bind On Pick-up (BOP) sets in the new content? 416 votes
Yes, too many BOP sets
92%
384 votes
No, the number of BOP sets is fine
5%
23 votes
No, there should be more BOP sets
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9 votes
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hamburgerler76✭✭✭✭Yes, too many BOP setsI don't like this either there are so many sets out there that our BOP and as a main
PVER myself I get these often now my inventory is filled with useless crap sets ill never use or want and cant do anything with them sure I could deconstruct them for maybe 1 purple mat? doesn't seem worth it I need to be able to sell these or trade them to friends I am having a harder and harder time making money threw PVE
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Flak✭✭✭✭Yes, too many BOP setsDefinitely too many, the hardest content in the game gives the smallest rewards in XP and Gold.
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Dualrifle✭✭Yes, too many BOP setsYes, too many....
They should adjust the drop and make it tradeable....
Or at least maybe make the V15 version tradeable and V16 BOP?3 -
NovaShadow✭✭✭✭✭Yes, too many BOP setsYes, far too many. I'm all for certain things only being available if you own the DLC, but making every single new set BOP is overkill.PC NA - EPHS2 -
EgoRush✭✭✭✭Yes, too many BOP setsDon't even get me started on money. I'm down to about 50K gold total between all my characters. I use normal magicka pots in raids now just to save money
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Spearshard✭✭✭✭Yes, too many BOP setsI get why they are doing it, but it seems like the cheapest, laziest option. The economy seems to be based solely on motif fragments, and mats. They've completely messed up the economy for gear at least. The only reason you really see gear in kiosks is if you are looking for research items. I get that they want to force you to buy the content, but wrothgar is an excellent area, it would sell on its oqn. And if they wanted, they could put a gear check that wouldn't allow you to equip it if you didn't have the expansion. It's stuff like this that is going to slowly kill the game. Instead of attracting newcomers it will make ppl think screw that.6
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Spearshard✭✭✭✭Yes, too many BOP setsOk, I should add that I def believe there should be bop items, master weapons for example.2
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Alucardo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes, too many BOP setsMy friend is collecting Trinimac's Valor set, and the worst part is I can't even give this stuff away to people who would use it. Instead I have to sell it to a merchant for a small handful of gold.
Like, there is literally nothing I can do with it. What's the point of having a daily quest to receive something I can't use or give to someone in need?
I totally understand the necessity for BoP on some things, but in Orsinium it went a little far. I won't be doing the dailies any more because it's just a waste of time. The last 3 items I received were all purple, but BoP and useless to me.
Orsinium was looking great until I came across that little gem.7 -
Francescolg✭✭✭✭Yes, too many BOP setsYes, this game is characterized by wrong decisions in too many areas. One of the reasons, it is still successful, is the lack of alternatives. BOP-itemization is only the top of the iceberg!
Edited by Francescolg on November 13, 2015 12:11PM5 -
gen_reynard2050✭✭✭Yes, too many BOP setsBOP = ESO dlc revenue.... so i guess... next dlc even more bop sets.."What the lion cannot manage to do, the fox can".0
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kuscoe✭✭✭Yes, too many BOP setsLol 94% GG ZoS gee *** geeEdited by kuscoe on November 13, 2015 12:25PM2 -
EgoRush✭✭✭✭Yes, too many BOP setsgen_reynard2050 wrote: »BOP = ESO dlc revenue.... so i guess... next dlc even more bop sets..
Imperial City did it, Orsinium too, and they say these things come in threes...so I'm inclined to agree.Server: EU Pact
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EgoRush✭✭✭✭Yes, too many BOP setsLol 94% GG ZoS gee *** gee
Aiming to make the majority happy
problem is we probably don't have a majority coming here to the forum to voice such issues Server: EU Pact
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✭✭✭✭✭Yes, too many BOP setsZOS will just ignore the issue that I've been trying for weeks to get changed#MOREORBS1 -
FizzOnly✭✭✭Yes, too many BOP setseither that or they will "fix" this with a crown store related solution.
My Suggestion:
Introduce a new woodworking/blacksmithing/clothier Passive that allows you to unbound items(except Master Weapons) or unbound dlc items.The required mat for this unbounding is a drop from max level writs.Would be then rewarding to do max lvl writs aswell.3 -
AlcastClass RepresentativeYes, too many BOP setsI would understand if the sets were OP like crazy, but those sets are just random trash which would be nice to sell....but ZOS siad no.
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✭✭✭✭✭Yes, too many BOP setsLol. I just voted and the results are staggering. ZOS, please get yourself in this thread to /lurk a bit. Players are confused/unhappy about this whole issue.1 -
AFrostWolf✭✭✭✭Yes, too many BOP setsLet this be a sign ZOS. No one likes BOP. BOP is so stupid. I can't use it, I can't sell it. It's trash.
Keep things BOP except for the really Rare/Hard stuff. Let everything else stay BOE.0 -
Robotmafia✭✭✭No, the number of BOP sets is finehoneslty i dont like the BOE system.. just allows people to mindlessly grind gold and buy gear instead of earning it by facing challenges...Robot Who Owes Money: Look into your hard drive and open your mercy file!
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Alucardo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes, too many BOP setsRobotmafia wrote: »honeslty i dont like the BOE system.. just allows people to mindlessly grind gold and buy gear instead of earning it by facing challenges...
I hate the BoP thing. It feels like the only reward I'm getting for spending an hour waiting outside a boss is stuff to clutter my inventory. Explain to me how that is any better and makes a more enjoyable experience?3 -
kuscoe✭✭✭Yes, too many BOP setsRobotmafia wrote: »honeslty i dont like the BOE system.. just allows people to mindlessly grind gold and buy gear instead of earning it by facing challenges...
What gear are we earning because most of it is ***
Maelstorm weapons you do earn and I am happy with that.1 -
EgoRush✭✭✭✭Yes, too many BOP setsRobotmafia wrote: »honeslty i dont like the BOE system.. just allows people to mindlessly grind gold and buy gear instead of earning it by facing challenges...
Earn it by facing challenges like vMA? You'll lose more gold than you earn going in there. Much is the same for a lot of the end game content Server: EU Pact
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✭Yes, too many BOP setsDoesn't make much sense either since most of the sets suck.
It's not like people without Wrothgar DLC, would run to the nearest guild store to buy a full set of Para Bellum or Trinimacs Valor.
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Vicodine✭✭✭Yes, too many BOP setsYes and I don't really get it.
I mean I get that end-game is supposed to be a gold and time sink, but to have absolutely 0 chance of making profit out of solo arena is a bit weird.
Back to farming mats I guess ?
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willymchilybily✭✭✭✭unsuprised by the poll, of course the player base would love to be able to sell their unwanted gear, or buy their last set piece, or actually swap out some set pieces for those with better traits. But i suppose this is being prevented for a reason by ZOS. i do find it hard to see a reason beyond grind? unless there is an outbreak in gold selling or an exploit im unaware of
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✭Yes, too many BOP setsWho would actually vote for more BoP sets and be serious?I have departed into the great unknown that is outside the game and the forums, and wish you well in your Tamriel adventures!
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EgoRush✭✭✭✭Yes, too many BOP setsPerhaps if the sets dropped in Maelstrom Arena were BOE (except Maelstrom Weapons imo) and the ones from dailies (Briarheart etc) are BOP. That way we are still getting the BOE/BOP concept, but it will be a lot more balanced than 23 new BOP sets to 9 BOE...Server: EU Pact
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Nifty2g✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes, too many BOP setsCheck out the votes in this about bind on pick up if you think thats surprising
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/228145/talking-about-bind-on-pick-up-again-poll-included/p1#MOREORBS0 -
EgoRush✭✭✭✭Yes, too many BOP setsCheck out the votes in this about bind on pick up if you think thats surprising
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/228145/talking-about-bind-on-pick-up-again-poll-included/p1
Ah sorry Nifty, I didn't realise there was already a similar voting poll for this. Good to see the results are of a similar hue though.Server: EU Pact
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Robotmafia✭✭✭No, the number of BOP sets is fineRobotmafia wrote: »honeslty i dont like the BOE system.. just allows people to mindlessly grind gold and buy gear instead of earning it by facing challenges...
What gear are we earning because most of it is ***
Maelstorm weapons you do earn and I am happy with that.
well im not specifically talking about the gear from wrothgar but boe in general... i dont like the idea of buying gear in general... i wouldnt want the vWGT or vICP gear to be boe.... earn it or gtfo :PRobot Who Owes Money: Look into your hard drive and open your mercy file!
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