Are there too many Bind On Pick-up (BOP) sets in the new content?

Deandril · November 2015

Yes, too many BOP sets

Only reason they did this was to lock people who don't buy dlcs from getting top gear. Random traits compound this rng nightmare. This is why I wear only crafted gear and run dungeons solely to have fun. At least having a master crafter pays off a little now.

Beesting · November 2015

Yes, too many BOP sets

I used to love to go and check guildstores and see what people put in them

Now it is all just mats, mats, mats

Boring and it will hurt the economy of the guildstores that the vsma sets are bop

RAGUNAnoOne · November 2015

Yes, too many BOP sets

Over 90% agree with the BOP issue @ZOS_GinaBruno any comments because a poll this close to unanimous says something.

Jaronking · November 2015

Yes, too many BOP sets

@ZOS_BrianWheeler @ZOS_RichLambert Look at the results of this thread we hate Bound on Pickup Items so please stop making them expect for extremely Rare OP gear like master and Malestorm Weapons.Make stuff like Sheer Venon Essence theft Overwhelming surge BOE.Your killing your community with the grind for Gear and horrible RNG system so please just stop with the BOP gear.

Xsorus · November 2015

Yes, too many BOP sets

I remember when a certain Zos dev talked about not only making it bop but also making it so you could only equip it with that character... Basically screwing the gearing of alts

willymchilybily · November 2015

Don't mind bop half as much as not having an alternative system, at least AP and talvar stones you can buy your set, and monster sets you can farm a specific dungeon. But the new sets outside of maelstrom seem a real chore. I hope this isn't the trend for future gear

Jimboo84 · November 2015

Yes, too many BOP sets

Yep. And should be tradeble; fe many sets are just being selled because you don't need it.

zerosingularity · November 2015

Yes, too many BOP sets

The only items that should be BoP are items on the same tier as Monster sets and Master/Maelstrom weapons, and even then, it would be nice if you could trade those to an account-based spouse. (Hey hun, I got that awesome helm/staff you want, here! *Cue brownie points being won*)

EVERYTHING else should be BoE, especially with the horrible trait RNG we have. They could limit it to only being able to acquire these BoE items if you own the DLC, if they wanted the gear locked behind a DLC, but BoP is NOT the way to go.

GreenSoup2HoT · November 2015

Yes, too many BOP sets

I'm using 5 piece shadow walker still. They buffed the amount of stamina and health you get. I like the mechanic so ill stick with it.

Sausage · November 2015

No, the number of BOP sets is fine

It had to be like this, Orsinium is meant to keep us going until Thief DLC, my guess is Feb or Early March, if we all had gears now, then we would whine wheres next DLC.

RVikary · December 2015

Yes, too many BOP sets

Sausage wrote: »

It had to be like this, Orsinium is meant to keep us going until Thief DLC, my guess is Feb or Early March, if we all had gears now, then we would whine wheres next DLC.

You didn't get the point, imo. The problem is not the difficulty. It's not hard getting those items, since their drop rate as BOP is bigger than BOE (as stated somewhere I don't remember right now, maybe eso live or reddit). The problem is not being able to trade the useless pieces that we're never going to use and that somebody else would like to have. This is an MMO, right? Why shouldn't we be able to trade those items? At least being able to trade with the group you're in or something like that.

For example: in my group we ran a dungeon, I think it was Imperial prison on normal or something like that. I got a Sheer Venom that my friend who is a stamina nightblade would like to use, and she got something magicka related, don't remember the set, but it was something that could be interesting for me. But in the end neither of us had any use for the items we got. An entire dungeon to get cool items that had no value to the ones who got them.

EgoRush · February 2016

Yes, too many BOP sets

Here's hoping ZOS were paying attention to this thread when they created new sets for Thieves Guild. Anyone think they will try to balance out the BOP-to-BOE ratio?

ButtersEP · February 2016

Yes, too many BOP sets

Id imagine a lot of these sets are BOP so people have to purchase the DLC in order to get these sets, maybe somehow make these sets buyable or tradable with others who have the DLC?

phreatophile · February 2016

Yes, too many BOP sets

You forgot an option.

Bind on pickup is an abomination from the deepest pit. Bind on equip sucks too.

Gidorick · February 2016

Yes, too many BOP sets

I'm sure there are players out there that don't really have interest in the DLC that WOULD buy the DLC if it meant they could get some of these drops to sell...

Personofsecrets · February 2016

Yes, too many BOP sets

Yes @ZOS_GinaBruno , please tell the devs that we won't be duped into thinking that the new trial gear is a meaningful change to the boe/bop system. We wont, it's not, and you can't expect us to be happy with getting out dated and unused sets as boe gear; V10 ebon, wurm, and his cine is serriously considered as progression raid gear by developing standards. Are we such dullards that we should be okay with that gear being reintroduced? Thank you for conveying this feeling.

Makkir · February 2016

Yes, too many BOP sets

There are not enough items to stimulate economy.

WolfingHour · February 2016

Yes, too many BOP sets

I understand that this shift pushes the economy towards traders/crafters/gatherers and actually agree. End gamers that run the top content shouldn't take the lion share of the overall market profits, especially now that we have paid dlc.

Some suggestions:
1) Make it a hybrid system (some pieces of the same set boe while others remain bop). This would expose people without the dlc to the new set and possibly drive them to buy and run the content;
2) re implement what we have with DSA where footman rings, for example, were much harder to come by that the rest of the set. Hey, it worked. Market was alive and people were running the content to get those rings;
3) make it BoE with a weekly sales cap, so that the prices do not run wild.

Pangnirtung wrote: »

Robotmafia wrote: »

honeslty i dont like the BOE system.. just allows people to mindlessly grind gold and buy gear instead of earning it by facing challenges...

Exactly this.

That is not much worst than what we have now - mindlessly grind gold just to have... gold. Or install an add on to grind harvest nodes to sell or restock.

Honestly I would much rather offset my costs of running content by running more content.

Magdalina · February 2016

Yes, too many BOP sets

I think the (v)DSA system was just about perfect. BoE decent sets to sell(or farm for if you have no gold, though farming for v14 jewelry was no small deal), BoP final reward to show off(yes we need those). I don't think I remember anyone complaining about that system. I mean sure someone probably wanted to buy some DSA weapons but those were few and far apart.

Shame that got changed, I guess it's because of whole b2p and DLC system...does make me realize what people meant when they said sub based system was better. Yes it was. Can I pay my sub again and get BoE stuff I can actually give to friends who're looking for it for months, rather than have it clutter my bag and never be used? ...and I don't mean ESO+, locking that behind a paywall like that now would be silly, but wish we could go back to good old times. Like when if I got a Footman ring and my tank got a Healer one we actually traded them as opposed to vendoring -.-

I understand the desire to make people buy DLCs but that's not encouraging in the long run, that's frustrating. There're only so many times you can run content while repeatedly getting nothing/wrong set/wrong item/moar well-fitted before you start to wonder if it's actually worth it since you're definitely not having fun anymore. And if you're not, and neither are your friends whose perfect gear you just found but will never be able to give to them, maybe it's time to move on?

Makkir · February 2016

Yes, too many BOP sets

Robotmafia wrote: »

honeslty i dont like the BOE system.. just allows people to mindlessly grind gold and buy gear instead of earning it by facing challenges...

That's one perspective, but who cares? There is still a skill wall in PvP, VMA, and even vet WGT and ICP. So what is someone who bought their gear going to do with it? They're not going to outperform in PvP or be able to compete in VMA...

The BoE allows some people to bypass the horribad RNG and get what they need/want.

Not to mention, this economy is at an all time low. People are sitting on heaps of gold with nothing to buy.

altemriel · February 2016

Yes, too many BOP sets

Imho all BOP and BOE should be cancelled and should be made tradable again!

Drakilian · February 2016

Yes, too many BOP sets

Bind on equip or on pick up shouldn't exist to begin with. Ridiculous arbitrary limitations to gearing in EVERY game they're a part of.

Abeille · February 2016

Yes, too many BOP sets

I don't mind some sets being BOP, but way too many sets are BOP right now.

TheValkyn · February 2016

No, the number of BOP sets is fine

Robotmafia wrote: »

kuscoe wrote: »

Robotmafia wrote: »

honeslty i dont like the BOE system.. just allows people to mindlessly grind gold and buy gear instead of earning it by facing challenges...

What gear are we earning because most of it is ***

Maelstorm weapons you do earn and I am happy with that.

earn it or gtfo :P

You mean Rock, paper, scissors or gtfo. It is not an indicator of skill to have gear in this game since the RNG is so bad. It often only determines how lucky the drops were.

EgoRush · February 2016

Yes, too many BOP sets

ButtersEP wrote: »

Id imagine a lot of these sets are BOP so people have to purchase the DLC in order to get these sets, maybe somehow make these sets buyable or tradable with others who have the DLC?

That was my thinking for Orsinium/Imperial City. But during ESO Live ZOS said that the new armour will be available from all weekly trials - i.e. AA, HRC, Sanctum and vDSA all have a chance to drop the new armour irrespective of you having the new content. So surely it's not just a cheap way to force people to buy the content.

We need more economy! I'm sick of selling mats and mats alone.

EgoRush · February 2016

Yes, too many BOP sets

Yay! They introduced 3 sets that are BOE and can be sold.

Wait, not introduced, I should say re-introduced. The only BOE sets coming with the new patch are Worm Cult, Hircine's Veneer, and Ebon - sets already obtainable at V14, though now we get jewellery.

These are hardly popular sets, the jewellery/armour drops in normal MOL just like veteran MOL (blue armour/jewellery in normal, purple in veteran - the armour can simply be upgraded though...). This is absolutely atrocious in my opinion. Why is EVERY new set BOP still?!

Truly disappointing, @ZOS.

Personofsecrets · February 2016

Yes, too many BOP sets

The community has spoken @ZOS_RichLambert . Let me guess, when polls show something that you want to do, then you go along with them, but when polls show something that you don't want to do, then you don't go along with them.

EgoRush · February 2016

Yes, too many BOP sets

Personofsecrets wrote: »

The community has spoken @ZOS_RichLambert . Let me guess, when polls show something that you want to do, then you go along with them, but when polls show something that you don't want to do, then you don't go along with them.

The fact we've had no comment from @ZOS on a poll with >400 votes and 4 pages worth of comments is testament to how little they care for this. Some explanation as to why they insist on BOP gear would suffice. Whether we agree with them or not, the audacity to not even respond to this issue is what makes me feel let down.

Personofsecrets · February 2016

Yes, too many BOP sets

3 veteran dungeon sets that nobody wants does not count as reintroducing BOE gear.

Personofsecrets · February 2016

Yes, too many BOP sets

EgoRush wrote: »

Yay! They introduced 3 sets that are BOE and can be sold.

Wait, not introduced, I should say re-introduced. The only BOE sets coming with the new patch are Worm Cult, Hircine's Veneer, and Ebon - sets already obtainable at V14, though now we get jewellery.

These are hardly popular sets, the jewellery/armour drops in normal MOL just like veteran MOL (blue armour/jewellery in normal, purple in veteran - the armour can simply be upgraded though...). This is absolutely atrocious in my opinion. Why is EVERY new set BOP still?!

Truly disappointing, @ZOS.

It is a really sad thing that the developers feel they have to take the path that they are on. One day they will try to undo the mess they made. We know that based on some of the upcoming DK skill changes and Undaunted vendor. Since we know this fact, my question then becomes, "why not today?"