Are there too many Bind On Pick-up (BOP) sets in the new content?

eliisra

Yes, too many BOP sets

Yes, it's sort of worse now, since everything in the new DLC is BoP. But ESO always had the worse loot system in MMORPG history.

How often do you actually obtain a full set before it's outdated by new level cap or content lol?

This has happened to me countless of times. Grinding ages for a set a want to try out, but rng is so bad, to many variations, drop rates so low, by the time I finally have the set it's about the be outdated for a multiple reasons
That's how *** long it takes for us with bad rng.

Just rubbish design and I feel ZoS is hurting their own game by upholding this horrible loot system. No one wants to grind gear for months or even half a year, without any actually time to enjoy the new shiny in the end. Also why I pretty much stopped bothering with anything not crafted or BoE. When my crappy rng finally comes through, I know the set wont be good for anything besides deconstruct.

SemiD4rkness

Yes, too many BOP sets

Pangnirtung wrote: »

Robotmafia wrote: »

honeslty i dont like the BOE system.. just allows people to mindlessly grind gold and buy gear instead of earning it by facing challenges...

Exactly this.

This is not a single player game. We should be able to share drops.

RVikary

Yes, too many BOP sets

Exactly this. Why not be able to trade in an MMO? Makes no sense!
I have a few pieces of sheer venom, pariah and others. None of them interests me, playing my magicka Templar. I only use my kagrenacs hope and julianos right now. So that means that I can keep them on my bank for a day when I might decide to play with those sets, or I'll have to decon them for mats. This is horrible game design. I was win a friend when I got sheer venom who would have loved this set and I wanted what she got. But no, we can't help each other out, we can't trade.

EgoRush

Yes, too many BOP sets

Pangnirtung wrote: »

Robotmafia wrote: »

honeslty i dont like the BOE system.. just allows people to mindlessly grind gold and buy gear instead of earning it by facing challenges...

Exactly this.

I disagree completely. You're right that a BOE system allows people to mindlessly grind for money to buy the gear they need, but at least they'd have a choice of do that or complete the content for the gear themselves. The point I'm making is having a choice. Instead, we're all stuck grinding the same content over and over until we get just what we need.

Why is it more desirable to force everyone to do exactly the same thing as opposed to giving people more choice? BOE opens this choice up to those that don't have as much time to spend 10 hour sessions in vWGT (yes, I did 10 hours yesterday in there and vICP only to open a damn chest and get 2 Spell Power Cure hats in a single chest - THANK YOU, ZOS!). I rarely get irate at this game as I love all the content and happily replay it all. But this isn't balanced. This isn't giving us choice. This is trapping us and making many people feel hard done by in the game.

EgoRush

Yes, too many BOP sets

>200 votes and >90% conformity. It would be great to get some kind of recognition from ZOS that they are lurking here.

Stikato

Yes, too many BOP sets

eliisra wrote: »

But ESO always had the worse loot system in MMORPG history.

This, sadly and regrettably.

My small group and I, while mainly pvp players, have always enjoyed camping rare mobs, going after rare spawns, and doing pve raids to get sweet loot.

Getting "keys", non-set piece loot, BOP items, TV stones, leaderboard rewards, etc is just not the same.

It's a little old-school I guess, but to me anything would be better than this loot system. It's just awful.

Exhibit A: The loot at the end of Cadwell's Gold....

EgoRush

Yes, too many BOP sets

Stikato wrote: »

eliisra wrote: »

But ESO always had the worse loot system in MMORPG history.

This, sadly and regrettably.

My small group and I, while mainly pvp players, have always enjoyed camping rare mobs, going after rare spawns, and doing pve raids to get sweet loot.

Getting "keys", non-set piece loot, BOP items, TV stones, leaderboard rewards, etc is just not the same.

It's a little old-school I guess, but to me anything would be better than this loot system. It's just awful.

Exhibit A: The loot at the end of Cadwell's Gold....

I can't even remember what the loot is at the end of Cadwell's Gold...and I've done it twice. So it must've been awesome! /sarcasm...

bertenburnyb16_ESO

Yes, too many BOP sets

Robotmafia wrote: »

honeslty i dont like the BOE system.. just allows people to mindlessly grind gold and buy gear instead of earning it by facing challenges...

LOL whut?
Bop sets are a lot more grindy then Boe,
Since now u HAVE TO grind to collect a set, absolutely nothing to do with with your so called "challenges"
Atleast with Boe you can maybe earn some money yourself if u find a set u don't need, or buy a couple pieces with gold you earned by doing whatever u wanted, not just grind

pema

Yes, too many BOP sets

I'm sure it's al lbeen said, but I hate they made al the content like this.
I could have made people very happy with trinimac stuff while they made me cheer with brairheart.
The only thing it encourages for me is grinding the content to get the gear, and why would that ever be a good reason ?"

also please fix crit, especialy when crit sets come out

Zilch

Yes, too many BOP sets

I've been hunting for Briarheart since the release of Orsinium. I've gotten 4 rings in total, all with magicka. FML.

Volkodav

Yes, too many BOP sets

I dont even get why they make anythingf BoP. There's no point to it.There was BoP even when there was no crown store,so it isnt that they want to make more money.

WebBull

Yes, too many BOP sets

With a voting outcome this high, there should be a /lurk in this thread.

I would suggest that all bind on pick up armor/weapons be allowed to be converted to bind on equip through a Sigil of Unbinding. This Sigil can be made by crafters. This would only apply to BoP items that have not been equipped.

RVikary

Yes, too many BOP sets

Is it safe to say then that we'll have to live with this horrible gaming trend? No matter the amount of people unhappy about it, we should simply accept it?

a.skelton92

As long as you cant send BoE items to other chars on your account. Its just a classic case of lazy b'ard gamers only ever wanting to do something once and for their alts to profit from 1 characters progress. The only BOE items should be pointless greens, blues and the occasional purples but never end game quality set items etc etc.

Khaos_Bane

Yes, too many BOP sets

bertenburnyb16_ESO wrote: »

Robotmafia wrote: »

honeslty i dont like the BOE system.. just allows people to mindlessly grind gold and buy gear instead of earning it by facing challenges...

LOL whut?
Bop sets are a lot more grindy then Boe,
Since now u HAVE TO grind to collect a set, absolutely nothing to do with with your so called "challenges"
Atleast with Boe you can maybe earn some money yourself if u find a set u don't need, or buy a couple pieces with gold you earned by doing whatever u wanted, not just grind

Exactly. People should be doing dungeons because they are fun, with other rewards such as BoE loot drop, mats, and repeatable XP or key rewards. Games with healthy economies are a left of fun IMO, and Orsinium put some ice on the economy.

Khaos_Bane

Yes, too many BOP sets

a.skelton92 wrote: »

As long as you cant send BoE items to other chars on your account.

That doesn't even make sense, especially the way ESO is designed right now. You share champion points from an account and you can craft sets for your other characters. Your statement makes no sense.

a.skelton92

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

a.skelton92 wrote: »

As long as you cant send BoE items to other chars on your account.

That doesn't even make sense, especially the way ESO is designed right now. You share champion points from an account and you can craft sets for your other characters. Your statement makes no sense.

What could you possibly be finding difficult to comprehend? It is as simple as it sounds. As long as you cannot transfer items of a particular level/ quality between characters. Ah, I know what you mean "because we share CP that also means we must share everything else". It is your statement that makes no sense and defies logic. You are probably one of those that also think crafting skill and riding level should be account wide too. BOP is there to stop you being a lazy git.

Zilch

Yes, too many BOP sets

a.skelton92 wrote: »

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

a.skelton92 wrote: »

As long as you cant send BoE items to other chars on your account.

That doesn't even make sense, especially the way ESO is designed right now. You share champion points from an account and you can craft sets for your other characters. Your statement makes no sense.

What could you possibly be finding difficult to comprehend? It is as simple as it sounds. As long as you cannot transfer items of a particular level/ quality between characters. Ah, I know what you mean "because we share CP that also means we must share everything else". It is your statement that makes no sense and defies logic. You are probably one of those that also think crafting skill and riding level should be account wide too. BOP is there to stop you being a lazy git.

You can already "send" BoP to several characters on your account. It's called banking.

Are you just contributing nonsense for the sake of contributing?

starlizard70ub17_ESO

Yes, too many BOP sets

a.skelton92 wrote: »

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

a.skelton92 wrote: »

As long as you cant send BoE items to other chars on your account.

That doesn't even make sense, especially the way ESO is designed right now. You share champion points from an account and you can craft sets for your other characters. Your statement makes no sense.

What could you possibly be finding difficult to comprehend? It is as simple as it sounds. As long as you cannot transfer items of a particular level/ quality between characters. Ah, I know what you mean "because we share CP that also means we must share everything else". It is your statement that makes no sense and defies logic. You are probably one of those that also think crafting skill and riding level should be account wide too. BOP is there to stop you being a lazy git.

You can transfer BoP items between your chars. You have the char who got the item first, put it in the bank, then any of your chars can take it out of the bank and use it. You just can't put the BoP item in the guild bank or store.

starlizard70ub17_ESO

Yes, too many BOP sets

Zilch wrote: »

I've been hunting for Briarheart since the release of Orsinium. I've gotten 4 rings in total, all with magicka. FML.

And I most likely have all the other Briarheart items you could want except for the rings, now if we could only trade.....

Zilch

Yes, too many BOP sets

starlizard70ub17_ESO wrote: »

Zilch wrote: »

I've been hunting for Briarheart since the release of Orsinium. I've gotten 4 rings in total, all with magicka. FML.

And I most likely have all the other Briarheart items you could want except for the rings, now if we could only trade.....

I managed to get my 7th Briarheart Ring with magicka today, meanwhile my guildmates are getting them with stamina/health left and right and have no use for it.

If only there was a way that made it possible for you to trade gear with friends....... oh yeah BoE.

WarrioroftheWind_ESO

Yes, too many BOP sets

It's usually been the convention that BOP items are either going to be quest rewards or items dropped from bosses in dungeons, or the hardest content available.

This trend of making practically everything and anything exclusively BOP is just going to damage the community in the long run. Rather than letting players define the economy, ZOS is sticking its thumb in the pie before its finished baking and making yet another mess of things. Not only is it egregious its just plain wasteful and time consuming. By the time your average person has all the gear they want, the next big patch will roll out making the current gear bracket null and void. If this is an attempt to alleviate gold sinks in the wake of IC's 1 million gold robust Agility rings environment, it's not working.

Players already feel exhausted by the unnecessarily inflated grinds. It's one thing to have the monster helms which are meant to be the best in slot and require effort to obtain, but run of the mill sets that drop in the world now? is ZOS going to go back and make Red Mountain BOP and boost that to lvl 50? What about Sunfire or Darkstride? At what point is the line drawn?

ESO is appealing as a single player game, but part of the social aspect should be the exchange and trade of goods and players defining the economy following the ebb and flow of content, not being arbitrarily told 'hey here's a epic set OH you can't use it because thats not the spec you like, why don't you go decon it for 1 plank of wood'. Which I still maintain is ***.

Zilch

Yes, too many BOP sets

WarrioroftheWind_ESO wrote: »

It's usually been the convention that BOP items are either going to be quest rewards or items dropped from bosses in dungeons, or the hardest content available.

This trend of making practically everything and anything exclusively BOP is just going to damage the community in the long run. Rather than letting players define the economy, ZOS is sticking its thumb in the pie before its finished baking and making yet another mess of things. Not only is it egregious its just plain wasteful and time consuming. By the time your average person has all the gear they want, the next big patch will roll out making the current gear bracket null and void. If this is an attempt to alleviate gold sinks in the wake of IC's 1 million gold robust Agility rings environment, it's not working.

Players already feel exhausted by the unnecessarily inflated grinds. It's one thing to have the monster helms which are meant to be the best in slot and require effort to obtain, but run of the mill sets that drop in the world now? is ZOS going to go back and make Red Mountain BOP and boost that to lvl 50? What about Sunfire or Darkstride? At what point is the line drawn?

ESO is appealing as a single player game, but part of the social aspect should be the exchange and trade of goods and players defining the economy following the ebb and flow of content, not being arbitrarily told 'hey here's a epic set OH you can't use it because thats not the spec you like, why don't you go decon it for 1 plank of wood'. Which I still maintain is ***.

Very well spoken!

LaughingJack

Yes, too many BOP sets

i notice some in here confusing BoE with BoP.

i have zero issue with Bind on Equip (BoE) - unless your dumb enough to automatically wear everything you pick up . . .
i have 100% issue with Bind on Pickup (BoP)

BoP is a real issue if playing regularly with freinds, as you cannot trade gear with each other.

baratron

Yes, too many BOP sets

I don't understand why items from the DLC can't be Bind on DLC. In other words, you could trade them or sell them, but only to other players who already own that DLC.

Making everything Bind on Pickup to ensure that only players who own the DLC can get the item is punishing the players who bought the DLC! I want to give Heavy Armor and Stamina items to my Tank friend and he wants to give Light Armor and Magicka items to me! We've both had a subscription for as long as the game has existed, and he's even bought the DLC separately just in case he ever wants to unsubscribe. So why can't we trade?

It's stupid and grindy, and he has a complete set of Trinimac's Valor which is no good to him whatsoever, and I have most of a set of Pariah which isn't much use to me.

hamburgerler76

Yes, too many BOP sets

Robotmafia wrote: »

kuscoe wrote: »

Robotmafia wrote: »

honeslty i dont like the BOE system.. just allows people to mindlessly grind gold and buy gear instead of earning it by facing challenges...

What gear are we earning because most of it is ***

Maelstorm weapons you do earn and I am happy with that.

well im not specifically talking about the gear from wrothgar but boe in general... i dont like the idea of buying gear in general... i wouldnt want the vWGT or vICP gear to be boe.... earn it or gtfo :P

well sadly unless your a min max with max end game gear that stuff is locked from you or us solo players who don't have a group of 3 other min maxers. so making stuff BoE helps us be able to get the gear

ajwest927

Yes, too many BOP sets

Maybe ZOS should just make an item that allows us to unbound our gears, and other items and make it available in the dlc zone and crown store. That way people would still have a reason to buy their next content.

RAGUNAnoOne

Yes, too many BOP sets

I don't mind trial gear and public dungeon trophies being BOP but the rest is just overkill.

Geemarc

Yes, too many BOP sets

Yes way too many especially in IC and the RNG sucks.

I'm fine with monster helm sets and master weapons being BoP (although the drop rate is too low) but the rest should be BoE.

Maddux

Yes, too many BOP sets

My Subscription is running out in a couple Days and a will not subscribe again. Why should i?
I own the IC Expansion, can farm Items/TV for the v16 Materials in the Sewers and Dungeons, farming Hardeners and Nirncrux in Craglorn is so easy since Orsinium because you didnt met another Farmer there in Hours and i dont give a *** about the RNG-Drops in Wrothgar or vMSA.
If you are not into grinding Stuff again and again with almost no Reward because of bad RNG, you have actually a hard Time in this Game and we just can hope that ZOS isnt putting the new Raid behind the DLC-Paywall. I mean, who will buy the next DLC just to do a Raid with eventually the same shity Lootsystem?