Why: because it's a pain in the backside that a zerg of complete noobs can win on weight of numbers alone. The buffs to health and resulting nerf of shields and healing means that now the only decent healing is in a zerg with a bunch of templars spamming breath of life. We don't want the game system to force us into a zergball contest

I can't find it but i remember posting in a thread exactly like this a very long time ago and we finally did get our siege buffed and PvP was so much better for it back then. We could actually hurt large groups with enough oil and siege. Right now it's kind of a joke. It's needs to be buffed back.

I miss ground oil.

CrowsDescend wrote: »

This is what our map looked like through the whole night, because after midnight when more people went off, there was still a strong group of 20ish AD with Emperor, ball-grouping their way across the whole of Cyrodiil.

We had about 5 keeps left after midnight, and me and a few others were defending each one with absolutely no luck.

I was using 5+ Oil pots, 3 Fire ballista's at a time and whenever I managed to kill the odd 1, they'd instantly get revived and healed up.



It's a joke. You either meet zerg with zerg or get dominated.

And you expected to kill them all? Lmao

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Siege weaponry in history done incredible damage, hence the reason why they were used, both for breaking enemy settlements and also anti personnel.

Would be nice to see some sorta of realism in ESO.

I mean, seriously for all the whiners who ranted about OP siege wpns, let me break it down for ya slowly.....

You have massive red AoE circles warning you............

Realism!? In a game where you can ride f***ing mini dinosaurs your point is so stupid

tennant94 wrote: »

Winterpsy wrote: »

Yes, pretty please.

Siege dmg is terrible. In the era when everyone have access to vigor, purge, siege shields. Players just never die to sieges. Those who do, probably went afking behind their trebuchet.

Nonsense, people die all the time to siege i die from siege everybody in this post dies from siege

I'm sorry but any competent group/player will not die to siege or oil. It's very easy to purge and out heal right now. It's absolutely ridiculous that every time i am sieging a keep i can simply out heal or purge multiple siege hits whilst my siege weapon is reloading. The siege was buffed before the IC update broke it. They need to patch it back to that level of damage so that players actually try and avoid the red circles.

Orchish wrote: »

tennant94 wrote: »

Winterpsy wrote: »

Yes, pretty please.

Siege dmg is terrible. In the era when everyone have access to vigor, purge, siege shields. Players just never die to sieges. Those who do, probably went afking behind their trebuchet.

Nonsense, people die all the time to siege i die from siege everybody in this post dies from siege

I'm sorry but any competent group/player will not die to siege or oil. It's very easy to purge and out heal right now. It's absolutely ridiculous that every time i am sieging a keep i can simply out heal or purge multiple siege hits whilst my siege weapon is reloading. The siege was buffed before the IC update broke it. They need to patch it back to that level of damage so that players actually try and avoid the red circles.

And thats exactly how you should be surviving siege with heals and purges or would you rather siege just killed you everytime? Lmao

tennant94 wrote: »

They do enough damage as it is and wasn't everybody complaing about siege damage been to high in 1.6? I think alot of the people saying yes haven't experienced the high siege damage and literally don't know what there talking about. Make siege damage vs players any higher zos and your forums will be filled with nerf siege damage i bet you!

They don't do '"enough damage as it is", have you even been in Cyrodiil lately or are you just going on about past experiences? and the forums won't be filled with "nerf siege weapon topics" coldharbour ballista/treb visuals were bugged, causing us to get one-shotted because we never knew where the damage was landing.

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tennant94 wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

This is what our map looked like through the whole night, because after midnight when more people went off, there was still a strong group of 20ish AD with Emperor, ball-grouping their way across the whole of Cyrodiil.

We had about 5 keeps left after midnight, and me and a few others were defending each one with absolutely no luck.

I was using 5+ Oil pots, 3 Fire ballista's at a time and whenever I managed to kill the odd 1, they'd instantly get revived and healed up.



It's a joke. You either meet zerg with zerg or get dominated.

And you expected to kill them all? Lmao

And you assume that I expect to kill them all? what are siege weapons there for? decoration? ornaments? hey, maybe ZOS will make us a Christmas Fire Ballista which will be all decorated in tinsel with colorful paint and a safety cap/sponge on the end so that it bounces off of player on impact! hehehehe. what.

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tennant94 wrote: »

Winterpsy wrote: »

Yes, pretty please.

Siege dmg is terrible. In the era when everyone have access to vigor, purge, siege shields. Players just never die to sieges. Those who do, probably went afking behind their trebuchet.

Nonsense, people die all the time to siege i die from siege everybody in this post dies from siege

You die from siege?

Well.. that explains everything then. I can't believe it; Quick, stop the ride! this poll shouldn't be taken seriously at all because you die from siege. Seriously, who even dies from siege these days unless they're AFK? I can tell you definitely don't PvP in the current patch.

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tennant94 wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Siege weaponry in history done incredible damage, hence the reason why they were used, both for breaking enemy settlements and also anti personnel.

Would be nice to see some sorta of realism in ESO.

I mean, seriously for all the whiners who ranted about OP siege wpns, let me break it down for ya slowly.....

You have massive red AoE circles warning you............

Realism!? In a game where you can ride f***ing mini dinosaurs your point is so stupid

And you believe that ride-able dinosaurs never existed, right? and that Earth is the only planet in the multiverse that contains life, out of the billions of Earth-like planets, yeah?

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tennant94 wrote: »

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

tennant94 wrote: »

They do enough damage as it is and wasn't everybody complaing about siege damage been to high in 1.6? I think alot of the people saying yes haven't experienced the high siege damage and literally don't know what there talking about. Make siege damage vs players any higher zos and your forums will be filled with nerf siege damage i bet you!

I never heard any complaints about that the only thing I EVER heard complaints from regarding siege at that time was the ****ed up coldharbor weapons that never even had the circles or anything.the rest it was damn I should have been more carefull not these are OP (except coldharbor)

I heard complaints, complaints from people riding to a keep only to be killed instantly by siege. Theres a reason zos reduced siege damage in the first place and yes making siege damage higher will be okay because theres a huge red ring warning you right? Well what if your stunned, snared or imobilized you cant escape da siege!

I think those complaints you heard were inside your own head from a moment in-game where you were strolling across the fields toward an enemy keep and somehow managed to ride directly inside a big, red circle while continuing to ride on through the sunset on fire. Absolutely fabulous.

The chances of being CC'ed in a huge red circle? slim. I don't think I've ever been CC'ed inside a siege weapon's red circle unless I was standing at the entrance of a keep and purposely stood still like a scarecrow, failing my hands about like "Hi guuuuuuuuuys! it's me agaaaaaaaaaain! I've come for my daily dose of CC ME WHILE I STAND IN THIS CIRCLE AND I WON'T EVEN ATTEMPT TO BREAK FREE!

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tennant94 wrote: »

Orchish wrote: »

tennant94 wrote: »

Winterpsy wrote: »

Yes, pretty please.

Siege dmg is terrible. In the era when everyone have access to vigor, purge, siege shields. Players just never die to sieges. Those who do, probably went afking behind their trebuchet.

Nonsense, people die all the time to siege i die from siege everybody in this post dies from siege

I'm sorry but any competent group/player will not die to siege or oil. It's very easy to purge and out heal right now. It's absolutely ridiculous that every time i am sieging a keep i can simply out heal or purge multiple siege hits whilst my siege weapon is reloading. The siege was buffed before the IC update broke it. They need to patch it back to that level of damage so that players actually try and avoid the red circles.

And thats exactly how you should be surviving siege with heals and purges or would you rather siege just killed you everytime? Lmao

Expect the fact that siege weapon damage does not kill you. You can stand in flaming oil; 1 pour takes away 50%-ish of your health with no CP in Elemental Defender. If that doesn't say enough, then there's no hope for you, my friend.

coolermh wrote: »

Any siege damage should be a 1 shot...I mean how hard is it to dodge a giant red circle that slowly creeps over the ground.

The problem is lag. Theres been instances where the lag was so bad that there was no red circle indicator you just died. That can be frustrating for anyone.

zergballing and aoe spamming are so mutch fun!
zos has already stated that the aoe damage reduction wasn't intended to be on siege aswell.
furthermore siege is way slower then aoe abilty's removes any mobilty for like 2-3 seconds AND does less damage then abilty's without any cd? just plz...

Siege was perfect before the overall damage nerf...just pop it back to where it was pre patch and rejoice...no additional testing needed, it was tested for months.

Can we get some ap for actually using siege equipment. Im tearing down walls and getting no ap.

CrowsDescend wrote: »

tennant94 wrote: »

They do enough damage as it is and wasn't everybody complaing about siege damage been to high in 1.6? I think alot of the people saying yes haven't experienced the high siege damage and literally don't know what there talking about. Make siege damage vs players any higher zos and your forums will be filled with nerf siege damage i bet you!

They don't do '"enough damage as it is", have you even been in Cyrodiil lately or are you just going on about past experiences? and the forums won't be filled with "nerf siege weapon topics" coldharbour ballista/treb visuals were bugged, causing us to get one-shotted because we never knew where the damage was landing.

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tennant94 wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

This is what our map looked like through the whole night, because after midnight when more people went off, there was still a strong group of 20ish AD with Emperor, ball-grouping their way across the whole of Cyrodiil.

We had about 5 keeps left after midnight, and me and a few others were defending each one with absolutely no luck.

I was using 5+ Oil pots, 3 Fire ballista's at a time and whenever I managed to kill the odd 1, they'd instantly get revived and healed up.



It's a joke. You either meet zerg with zerg or get dominated.

And you expected to kill them all? Lmao

And you assume that I expect to kill them all? what are siege weapons there for? decoration? ornaments? hey, maybe ZOS will make us a Christmas Fire Ballista which will be all decorated in tinsel with colorful paint and a safety cap/sponge on the end so that it bounces off of player on impact! hehehehe. what.

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tennant94 wrote: »

Winterpsy wrote: »

Yes, pretty please.

Siege dmg is terrible. In the era when everyone have access to vigor, purge, siege shields. Players just never die to sieges. Those who do, probably went afking behind their trebuchet.

Nonsense, people die all the time to siege i die from siege everybody in this post dies from siege

You die from siege?

Well.. that explains everything then. I can't believe it; Quick, stop the ride! this poll shouldn't be taken seriously at all because you die from siege. Seriously, who even dies from siege these days unless they're AFK? I can tell you definitely don't PvP in the current patch.

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tennant94 wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Siege weaponry in history done incredible damage, hence the reason why they were used, both for breaking enemy settlements and also anti personnel.

Would be nice to see some sorta of realism in ESO.

I mean, seriously for all the whiners who ranted about OP siege wpns, let me break it down for ya slowly.....

You have massive red AoE circles warning you............

Realism!? In a game where you can ride f***ing mini dinosaurs your point is so stupid

And you believe that ride-able dinosaurs never existed, right? and that Earth is the only planet in the multiverse that contains life, out of the billions of Earth-like planets, yeah?

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tennant94 wrote: »

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

tennant94 wrote: »

They do enough damage as it is and wasn't everybody complaing about siege damage been to high in 1.6? I think alot of the people saying yes haven't experienced the high siege damage and literally don't know what there talking about. Make siege damage vs players any higher zos and your forums will be filled with nerf siege damage i bet you!

I never heard any complaints about that the only thing I EVER heard complaints from regarding siege at that time was the ****ed up coldharbor weapons that never even had the circles or anything.the rest it was damn I should have been more carefull not these are OP (except coldharbor)

I heard complaints, complaints from people riding to a keep only to be killed instantly by siege. Theres a reason zos reduced siege damage in the first place and yes making siege damage higher will be okay because theres a huge red ring warning you right? Well what if your stunned, snared or imobilized you cant escape da siege!

I think those complaints you heard were inside your own head from a moment in-game where you were strolling across the fields toward an enemy keep and somehow managed to ride directly inside a big, red circle while continuing to ride on through the sunset on fire. Absolutely fabulous.

The chances of being CC'ed in a huge red circle? slim. I don't think I've ever been CC'ed inside a siege weapon's red circle unless I was standing at the entrance of a keep and purposely stood still like a scarecrow, failing my hands about like "Hi guuuuuuuuuys! it's me agaaaaaaaaaain! I've come for my daily dose of CC ME WHILE I STAND IN THIS CIRCLE AND I WON'T EVEN ATTEMPT TO BREAK FREE!

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tennant94 wrote: »

Orchish wrote: »

tennant94 wrote: »

Winterpsy wrote: »

Yes, pretty please.

Siege dmg is terrible. In the era when everyone have access to vigor, purge, siege shields. Players just never die to sieges. Those who do, probably went afking behind their trebuchet.

Nonsense, people die all the time to siege i die from siege everybody in this post dies from siege

I'm sorry but any competent group/player will not die to siege or oil. It's very easy to purge and out heal right now. It's absolutely ridiculous that every time i am sieging a keep i can simply out heal or purge multiple siege hits whilst my siege weapon is reloading. The siege was buffed before the IC update broke it. They need to patch it back to that level of damage so that players actually try and avoid the red circles.

And thats exactly how you should be surviving siege with heals and purges or would you rather siege just killed you everytime? Lmao

Expect the fact that siege weapon damage does not kill you. You can stand in flaming oil; 1 pour takes away 50%-ish of your health with no CP in Elemental Defender. If that doesn't say enough, then there's no hope for you, my friend.

I literally play eso pvp everyday it is my life, i love it. Basically you are saying siege never kills anyone when it does. Realism applies to the world as we know it so if grobule the martian is riding a dinosaur fair enough, my point is vaild. You seem upset because you single handedly coudn't kill a zerg and for me these are not good enough grounds to be demanding buffs. Sorry for the spam though i was tired.

tennant94 wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

tennant94 wrote: »

They do enough damage as it is and wasn't everybody complaing about siege damage been to high in 1.6? I think alot of the people saying yes haven't experienced the high siege damage and literally don't know what there talking about. Make siege damage vs players any higher zos and your forums will be filled with nerf siege damage i bet you!

They don't do '"enough damage as it is", have you even been in Cyrodiil lately or are you just going on about past experiences? and the forums won't be filled with "nerf siege weapon topics" coldharbour ballista/treb visuals were bugged, causing us to get one-shotted because we never knew where the damage was landing.

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tennant94 wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

This is what our map looked like through the whole night, because after midnight when more people went off, there was still a strong group of 20ish AD with Emperor, ball-grouping their way across the whole of Cyrodiil.

We had about 5 keeps left after midnight, and me and a few others were defending each one with absolutely no luck.

I was using 5+ Oil pots, 3 Fire ballista's at a time and whenever I managed to kill the odd 1, they'd instantly get revived and healed up.



It's a joke. You either meet zerg with zerg or get dominated.

And you expected to kill them all? Lmao

And you assume that I expect to kill them all? what are siege weapons there for? decoration? ornaments? hey, maybe ZOS will make us a Christmas Fire Ballista which will be all decorated in tinsel with colorful paint and a safety cap/sponge on the end so that it bounces off of player on impact! hehehehe. what.

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tennant94 wrote: »

Winterpsy wrote: »

Yes, pretty please.

Siege dmg is terrible. In the era when everyone have access to vigor, purge, siege shields. Players just never die to sieges. Those who do, probably went afking behind their trebuchet.

Nonsense, people die all the time to siege i die from siege everybody in this post dies from siege

You die from siege?

Well.. that explains everything then. I can't believe it; Quick, stop the ride! this poll shouldn't be taken seriously at all because you die from siege. Seriously, who even dies from siege these days unless they're AFK? I can tell you definitely don't PvP in the current patch.

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tennant94 wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Siege weaponry in history done incredible damage, hence the reason why they were used, both for breaking enemy settlements and also anti personnel.

Would be nice to see some sorta of realism in ESO.

I mean, seriously for all the whiners who ranted about OP siege wpns, let me break it down for ya slowly.....

You have massive red AoE circles warning you............

Realism!? In a game where you can ride f***ing mini dinosaurs your point is so stupid

And you believe that ride-able dinosaurs never existed, right? and that Earth is the only planet in the multiverse that contains life, out of the billions of Earth-like planets, yeah?

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tennant94 wrote: »

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

tennant94 wrote: »

They do enough damage as it is and wasn't everybody complaing about siege damage been to high in 1.6? I think alot of the people saying yes haven't experienced the high siege damage and literally don't know what there talking about. Make siege damage vs players any higher zos and your forums will be filled with nerf siege damage i bet you!

I never heard any complaints about that the only thing I EVER heard complaints from regarding siege at that time was the ****ed up coldharbor weapons that never even had the circles or anything.the rest it was damn I should have been more carefull not these are OP (except coldharbor)

I heard complaints, complaints from people riding to a keep only to be killed instantly by siege. Theres a reason zos reduced siege damage in the first place and yes making siege damage higher will be okay because theres a huge red ring warning you right? Well what if your stunned, snared or imobilized you cant escape da siege!

I think those complaints you heard were inside your own head from a moment in-game where you were strolling across the fields toward an enemy keep and somehow managed to ride directly inside a big, red circle while continuing to ride on through the sunset on fire. Absolutely fabulous.

The chances of being CC'ed in a huge red circle? slim. I don't think I've ever been CC'ed inside a siege weapon's red circle unless I was standing at the entrance of a keep and purposely stood still like a scarecrow, failing my hands about like "Hi guuuuuuuuuys! it's me agaaaaaaaaaain! I've come for my daily dose of CC ME WHILE I STAND IN THIS CIRCLE AND I WON'T EVEN ATTEMPT TO BREAK FREE!

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tennant94 wrote: »

Orchish wrote: »

tennant94 wrote: »

Winterpsy wrote: »

Yes, pretty please.

Siege dmg is terrible. In the era when everyone have access to vigor, purge, siege shields. Players just never die to sieges. Those who do, probably went afking behind their trebuchet.

Nonsense, people die all the time to siege i die from siege everybody in this post dies from siege

I'm sorry but any competent group/player will not die to siege or oil. It's very easy to purge and out heal right now. It's absolutely ridiculous that every time i am sieging a keep i can simply out heal or purge multiple siege hits whilst my siege weapon is reloading. The siege was buffed before the IC update broke it. They need to patch it back to that level of damage so that players actually try and avoid the red circles.

And thats exactly how you should be surviving siege with heals and purges or would you rather siege just killed you everytime? Lmao

Expect the fact that siege weapon damage does not kill you. You can stand in flaming oil; 1 pour takes away 50%-ish of your health with no CP in Elemental Defender. If that doesn't say enough, then there's no hope for you, my friend.

I literally play eso pvp everyday it is my life, i love it. Basically you are saying siege never kills anyone when it does. Realism applies to the world as we know it so if grobule the martian is riding a dinosaur fair enough, my point is vaild. You seem upset because you single handedly coudn't kill a zerg and for me these are not good enough grounds to be demanding buffs. Sorry for the spam though i was tired.

It's like you're saying that siege kills everyone though, and I'm saying it doesn't kill everyone, I don't mean to say that it kills nobody though? I mean last night, outside Arrius Keep with the majority of randoms on EP, I revived about 7 players until we broke through the wall. 2 of them were around level 15 to 30 and died from Ballista Fire, due to them not having enough defensive abilities/purge because of their class and level (not unlocked good defensive's and morphs) and 5 of them died from other players jumping in from the sides to try and pick us off because even they understood that Siege is useless.

It isn't some conspiracy. I'm not upset that I couldn't kill a zerg, I meant I and a few others (we weren't grouped up) could not DO ANYTHING to a zerg as they rushed our last 3 keeps, one after another -- couldn't even deter them from siegeing the front gates because of how weak the oil is. No one was dying, except the odd 1 who'd instantly get revived after being pelted by spells from above while oil was pouring on him/her.

Artjuh90 wrote: »

zergballing and aoe spamming are so mutch fun!
zos has already stated that the aoe damage reduction wasn't intended to be on siege aswell.
furthermore siege is way slower then aoe abilty's removes any mobilty for like 2-3 seconds AND does less damage then abilty's without any cd? just plz...

All these unintended happenings scare me! just like the unintended changes to Mist Form not reducing your damage by 75% (it's like 20%) and not protecting you from control effects despite it being stated in the tooltip.

Buff seige to remove zergs like the good old days.