Being oneshot could be a result of having low defenses; a glass cannon should expect to take alot of damage
I don't want to assume though

Troneon wrote: »

One shots are the lazy way of being a game designer instead of making actual challenging content.......

It's cheap and pointless in any game...

True That. Even when there's mechanic for the Encounter. Better if making a Hit that takes out 65-75% hp no matter the Equipment & Health Pool for that area / encounter. Even if has Optimal equipment and lvl required there. If adventurer is clearly Weaker than Optimal Requirement then One Shot takedown makes the character just barely standing These would be better Options than One shot no matter the character's Equipment. Or Health Pool and active Buff's if miss to follow the Mechanic.

Kind regards: Long time TESO Subber & Tamriel Fan Ever Since Morrowind Launched.

smh... You're better than that OP look at your sig. Dust yourself off and try it again.

TheBull wrote: »

smh... You're better than that OP look at your sig. Dust yourself off and try it again.

See this dead bi*ch? That's the boss of round 6 as I die. I would've cried if i didn't get it



fyi i might be mad but im still going till i beat this arena lol its a good challenge just not in the way i had hoped. and to those saying l2p, yes i am learning to play the mechanics as i go ._. doesn't stop the obscene amount of one shots

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Got to the last boss...spent 150 lives trying to kill him...couldnt...was it difficult mechanics? No...was it lack of gear? No...Was it lack of CP? no...Was it lack of skill? Sure...if what is now considered skill is that you cannot have more than 1 mob attacking you.

The difficulty of this dungeon is insane...I wont be going back till they nerf it...The fight itself is not difficult, but you die almost instantly if 2+ mobs are on you...I would equivocate the difficulty of Arena to doing a vet 16 CoA solo...could you do it? Sure you could, but why would you? Its not fun...it will take forever and you get upset because you lose due to insane mob damage, not lack of skill....I probably could have eventually finished it, but it would take me another 2-3 hours and it wouldnt be because of skill...it would be because of luck..when the outcome of a fight comes to luck over skill it is no longer fun...

I don't agree with this at all. I'm one of the Worst PvE'rs in the game. I fought this encounter for the first time ever last night, learned the mechanics and died maybe 20-25 times before I downed the Boss and I'm using my freaking PvP build and gear setup.

This is DAY1 of new content and people are already crying for Nerfs! Stupid. Learn the mechanics, change up strategy and your build etc....if everyone were clearing Vet Maelstrom Arena on day 1 this entire DLC would be an amazing Failure.

Teiji wrote: »

Veteran Maelstrom Arena has been balanced around players using Hunding's, Julianos and Twice-Born Star with Shadow Mundus as Primary and Thief as secondary and around 30 - 40k main stat with 2,500 minimum to 3,000+ damage stat.

If you don't have the stats, it will be extremely inefficient, if you're melee, it will be inefficient too; originally every class ability was Magicka so the way it's been designed and balanced makes sense to accommodate people who play their classes how they were originally designed, this is speaking in terms of absolute practicality, healing ward scales of Magicka and is a huge boon to this, Dampen Magicka is incredible also.

The main issue is bugs and awkward coding. The spider stage hoaver needs to reward players who kill the hoarver on top of the spider and baby spider bosses with a slightly stronger debuff but most importantly the Synergy needs better coding. You have to wait briefly to be able to use synergy, you have to stand still, you then have to wait for the synergy to play ball and then you have to stand still and throw it as you wait for your character to complete an awkward throwing animation as you tank baby spider, boss spider and three to six pools of lightning mitigated by your Dampen Magicka, Healing Ward and whatever mitigates aoe, such as Blade Cloak.

The argonian stage? The poison plants can do damage before they pop out of the ground as opposed to popping out the grind then giving you one seconds notice to move, sometimes they will explode before they even fully emerge, this could simply be a cause of latency due to how quick everything goes on but it's still apparent that the only way to do this stage efficiently is to fight on the north side, which is fine as you completely ignore a main mechanic as you have to due to how inconsistent it is; not forgetting that surviving poison is only possible with Healing Ward and other bubbles, if the poison damage simply scaled very quickly after 1 second or even 0.5 seconds it could help players who are only using Vigor as healing, however once again; all class abilities were originally Magicka.

Veteran Arena is fun; however awkward delay on using synergies and invisible poison plant deaths make it less un-fun.

But hey, bugs are bugs after all.

On the spider stage I never threw a grenade, I just light attacked the hoarvers and then dragged them to the area I wanted them to Die and killed them there. Throwing grenades lowers your damage. I also never debuffed the boss or any mobs, just cleared totems with every hoarver.

The poison zone I agree is pretty stupid RNG with those plants but they are almost always avoidable if you watch for them. The only thing I think needs to never happen is for them to open up while you're going under the shield during the scream phase of the fight as that is a guaranteed death. Also, there was a ton of latency in the Arena last night....I was often out of the radius of those poison explosions yet constantly got hit by them. I also died a ton from trying to cast a shield multiple times and not having it go off in time. Latency should not be taken into consideration when balancing content as that is a problem that will be fixed. I still completed that fight last night after reaching it for the first time in about an hour. It was one of the easiest stages in the whole arena with the exception of BS RNG situations (had a 3% Wipe from a poison under a shield). BTW, when I finally did kill the boss I survived the entire stage without being hit by poison so I don't buy your damage shields are needed argument on this fight although I think they make learning the encounter a bit easier.

TheBull wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

TheBull wrote: »

smh... You're better than that OP look at your sig. Dust yourself off and try it again.

See this dead bi*ch? That's the boss of round 6 as I die. I would've cried if i didn't get it



fyi i might be mad but im still going till i beat this arena lol its a good challenge just not in the way i had hoped. and to those saying l2p, yes i am learning to play the mechanics as i go ._. doesn't stop the obscene amount of one shots

I walked out at 6 too man. Hopped on a lowbie and started exploring Wrothgar Strange after those hours in the arena I was again enjoy questing. Thanks ZOS?

Nah I beat it as I died.
Stage 7 is weird, just full of even worse RNG lol. Jesus ZOS

Makkir wrote: »

Pardon my ignorance as I don't usually PvE...is Spit considered a projectile? Can I reflect that?

No and you can't shield it either

Ezareth wrote: »

I don't buy your damage shields are needed argument on this fight although I think they make learning the encounter a bit easier.

When did I once say they were needed? I said they're incredibly powerful and strong, which isn't an argument nor an opinion, it's the way this videogame works, damage shields are great as they should be by principle and design.

Fengrush did it on stam sorc not using damage shields and Fengrush is a God, so please don't try and make out that I'd dishonour Lord Fengrush by saying damage shields are mandatory, because I never said that nor did I even type that. If you reread my text, you'd notice I clearly said surviving being poisoned, you can healing ward 20 times with 1% health and the poison wont tick through it.

Throwing a grenade on the spider stage isn't needed to be done, as like I said many, many times already it's very impractical and extremely clunky. Loads of people have said this already with many melee players being bodyblocked to death. You shouldn't be punished for using a mechanic such as using a synergy, with how clunky it is currently it's a death sentence for many.

Rook_Master wrote: »

Vet Maelstrom is balanced around magicka sorc with 7 x tri-stat v16 armor, as well as v16 willpower jewelry set and 501 CPs.

Everyone else, good luck.

Don't have 501 CPs, or Tri-stat enchants on any of my armor (that is actually terrible for Sorcs) but @FENGRUSH beat it before I did on his Stam Sorc so stamina Sorc is clear OP right? Wrong.

The biggest difference here is the people who are beating it right now are all people who were playing it in PTS. I spent about 4 hours last night and made it to round 8. I saw Fengrush spending hours practicing it on PTS which is why he knocked it right out of the park once it was released and he was able to do it on his main char.

Nifty2g wrote: »

doesn't stop the obscene amount of one shots

They gotta sell them Crown Repair kits brotha!

I died as I killed that Boss too for some reason. I didn't even see what killed me which was odd but was happy she died and what's another death in that meat grinder of an instance?

Sallington wrote: »

"if everyone were clearing Vet Maelstrom Arena on day 1 this entire DLC would be an amazing Failure"

Kind of disagree.

With the way the RNG works in this, I feel like the content is basically meant to be farmed.

So you're saying the hardest content released by a DLC should be beaten in day 1 by the majority? I don't get it. The player who killed the Arena first in the world is already beating the entire thing in an hour with no deaths. If that isn't farm I don't know what is.

The *only* thing I've ever enjoyed about PvE and solo content is a challenge and learning encounters for myself. I'm not watching internet how-to videos or copying anyone elses builds. I'm doing this all with my own knowledge, experience and by trying and practicing. I haven't even used one of those stupid sigil things yet. If I had beat this on day 1 with very little practice, I honestly would have probably just quit playing the game and came back in 3 months looking for something fun and challenging to do.

I think skilled players will likely spend 6-12 hours of time learning the content and will be able to farm this in no time. Is that really so terrible when this is *all* we have to do for the next 3 months?

Teiji wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

I don't buy your damage shields are needed argument on this fight although I think they make learning the encounter a bit easier.

When did I once say they were needed? I said they're incredibly powerful and strong, which isn't an argument nor an opinion, it's the way this videogame works, damage shields are great as they should be by principle and design.

Fengrush did it on stam sorc not using damage shields and Fengrush is a God, so please don't try and make out that I'd dishonour Lord Fengrush by saying damage shields are mandatory, because I never said that nor did I even type that. If you reread my text, you'd notice I clearly said surviving being poisoned, you can healing ward 20 times with 1% health and the poison wont tick through it.

Throwing a grenade on the spider stage isn't needed to be done, as like I said many, many times already it's very impractical and extremely clunky. Loads of people have said this already with many melee players being bodyblocked to death. You shouldn't be punished for using a mechanic such as using a synergy, with how clunky it is currently it's a death sentence for many.

No you didn't but my point is they didn't help me and I beat the whole stage in an hour on my first time ever playing it and I didn't need a damage shield on the poison to do it. I survived a few times by getting hit by poison and shielding myself through and then purging myself but that actually promoted bad play on my part. Instead of Learning the encounter I was relying on my shield as a crutch which is why until I learned exactly how to avoid getting hit with poison I kept dying on the encounter. I would expect a stamina player would likely learn how to do this faster than I did for that very reason.

I agree throwing grenades (or even clicking those sigils) is a synergy click which I avoid at all costs. I don't know why they made it so clunky but I'd think they would have learned from the Attro boss in ICP that it probably isn't something that should be included in end game content.

I was only pointing out that so far for me using that synergy is not needed.

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

FuzzyDuck79 wrote: »

Donr forget it's going to be fairly high due to battle levelling. Most people are going to have massive high hp from the scaling, though 79k is a bit high lol.

A bit high? Youre kidding right?

Id love to see anyone in game with HP even remotely close to that amount of damage.

Even if you could survive that spit, she casts it every second or two until you die so you can't tank it haha.

Ezareth wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

FuzzyDuck79 wrote: »

Donr forget it's going to be fairly high due to battle levelling. Most people are going to have massive high hp from the scaling, though 79k is a bit high lol.

A bit high? Youre kidding right?

Id love to see anyone in game with HP even remotely close to that amount of damage.

Even if you could survive that spit, she casts it every second or two until you die so you can't tank it haha.

I really hope they dont nerf it into the ground. Im sure Console players are going to find it a bit difficult with the way controllers operate. But for me I want something hard to work at.

I just have an obscene amount of hatred for one shot mechanics.

"Why would anyone want to use heavy armor"

Teiji wrote: »

but most importantly the Synergy needs better coding

People asked for mechanics and they got them. I really wish that we could have been forced to do mechanics without using synergies.