Buff Siege Weapon Damage Against Players

Panth141 · November 2015

Yes - State Why

kuscoe wrote: »

FuzzyDuck79 wrote: »

kuscoe wrote: »

FuzzyDuck79 wrote: »

kuscoe wrote: »

notimetocare wrote: »

kuscoe wrote: »

Buff it?? Why if you dont purge oils you will die... if you dont purge fire siege you will die this is what makes tower farms so insanely lucrative at times

OR you can avoid siege. OR people can stop being stupid and camp a resource while people are camping inside. In short, OR people can learn how to play.

Did you just L2P me? LOL

Why avoid it when I can purge it?

Why am I stupid for trying to take down a tower farm? afaik thats where the AP is and typically there is no lag because you dont tower farm with 24+ people -______-

You tried to mock me with your "ors" but it was just bad and hard to read

Exactly the point. You just said it yourself... Why avoid it when I can purge it? (why play when I have a 1 hit fix?) So zerg just stand around with their 1 hit fix and ignore siege weapons. While you're spamming purge the guy next to you is doing what? What great input does he have to the fight besides being a number? All he has to do is turn up.

Ok

Um

its been said before in this thread

this is not elder siege online

player vs player

any player will die to siege in 2-3 seconds if they do not counteract it there is no need to buff it

also apart from like disease siege or whatever do you really think the devs intended us to shoot fire ballistas at each other and have fun?

I play my character in pvp not some simple ass siege weapon

So you're all for standing around in a zerg spamming purge and vigor, and not really using any skil to play the game? Just let someone else heal you and attack the nearest target ignoring all incoming siege? You know how to "play" your character....

No I do not Zerg if I am in a group it is 12 or less I rely on myself to realize what is happening and react to it

Also to the other *** in the thread I am not for realism with siege yes I would to walk away from being hit with a giant rock but not unscathed however I will heal myself because that is what you are supposed to do when being damged typically

Also like 80% of this thread is wanting more damage from siege and you know what thats fine it will be unbalance but seriously is that what we want from PvP right now? more *** siege damage? how about fixing the lag? how about Arena? *** Siege I dont care if my group is siege a keep I dont do it, it is boring as *** and in the end pointless

And Fuzzy just because you mentioned me not wanting this game to require skill ill let you know I made a extensive post about the state of PvE and how it takes absolutely no skill and how the Trap exploit was just another example of how little ZOS care about PvE of course I made a video demonstrating the durastic effects of the trap but unfortunately the mods removed my contstructive post and yeahh...

heres the video for proof hopefully this doesnt get taken down

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNzn1UYxnCQ

I don't think anyone is arguing that lag shouldn't be fixed, or against arenas... just pointing out that siege does a disproportionately small amount of damage, as such those siege weapons intended to counter large group (read: zerg) assaults - catapults/oil - aren't able to perform the role they're intended to.

I remember when rams were a dangerous but devastating tool in an assault - if you could get one up then you could take down a door very quickly, but there was a massive risk from oil and that made is more intense and more enjoyable. Now all you get is a ram put up with a couple of people next to it running purge, at which point you may as well be pouring fairy liquid on them and hoping that they slip over.

Your post above kind of hurts the credibility of your points from my perspective - we aren't arguing against the changes you mentioned, but you seem to be getting a little 'overly enthusiastic' about it all.

@CrowsDescend - despite your unfathomable allegiance to the pretenders for the Ruby Throne, I think I'm with you on this one.

Turelus · November 2015

Yes - State Why

kuscoe wrote: »

Siege weapons are a mechanism to allow capture of Keeps and Resources not player killing

Then why do we we have ones which do less damage vs walls but more vs players? Pretty sue it's ZOS intention that siege weapons were part of the PvP experience including anti-player PvP.

kuscoe · November 2015

No - State Why

I remember when rams were a dangerous but devastating tool in an assault - if you could get one up then you could take down a door very quickly, but there was a massive risk from oil and that made is more intense and more enjoyable. Now all you get is a ram put up with a couple of people next to it running purge, at which point you may as well be pouring fairy liquid on them and hoping that they slip over.

Whens the last time you saw someone front door a keep? I hardly ever see it and the last time I did it was countered with oil and the group moved to the side of the outpost

kuscoe · November 2015

No - State Why

Yah ok bye I cant fend off 5 people at once

Molag_Crow · November 2015

Yes - State Why

kuscoe wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

kuscoe wrote: »

Ludof wrote: »

This is Elder Scrolls Online not Elder Siege Online.
If you like playing the whole game with siege weapon because they hit so hard then this is not the game for you.
Siege Weapon hitting harder will just help zergs ; if you don't believe me i can give you an example:
PC-EU Server Trueflame Campaign at 21 (GMT +1) there is just 1 EP group against all blue zerg, last night we beat them several times without even using 1 Siege Weapon (while blue Zerg kept on using Fire Balistas and Meatbag);in the end they won after stacking 5 siege weapons.

Therefore anyone who wrote "yes"in the poll please explain here why this should help organised groups more than zergs.

Meantime I link here a video (when siege weapon used to hit so hard):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBXOO1LctAo

There is no helping this thead

Well to be honest, talking to you and the others who disagree, is like trying to get through to a cabbage. Just saying.

Its like that saying "They dont know what they want" you all say you want buffed siege damage but none of you are actually thinking of the consequences all I am seeing is banter about how "this is a *** siege weapong and you cant escape it"

Heres a point unrelevent to PvP but relevant to the discussion... Casuals complained SOOO *** hard about how the damage in the new dungeons was to high and I do think it was uneccasarily high in the begining due to so much different sources of damage all the devs have done is nerf the damage and are nerfing even more AS WE SPEAK because people cant handle it so even if you wanted seige to do more damage people would complain and it would eventually get nerfed

Wheres my video bro?

Who even complained about siege damage being too high in the first place???

Did they make a big poll to get it nerfed? I surely didn't see that.

It was an unintentional nerf/bug or a sneaky nerf with the changes to battle spirit, and/or fixing coldharbor weapon animation.

Don't you get what I mean????? seriously? o.O

And about the video, yeah I'm still gonna do it, but guess what? I haven't even been shot or killed by a siege weapon all day yet

SHADOW2KK · November 2015

Yes - State Why

kuscoe wrote: »

Yah ok bye I cant fend off 5 people at once

Use siege then:P

Fire ballista, scatter shot or something, all the anti personnel siege weaponry we have and that in real life used to utterly pwn troop formations etc.

Oh wait....

You do not like that, I forget

Bye then:}

AMadAussie · November 2015

Yes - State Why

Ludof wrote: »

Meantime I link here a video (when siege weapon used to hit so hard):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBXOO1LctAo

Looks pretty damn fun to me, mate.

Siege engines need to deal significantly more damage than they do currently. They should really be reverted back to how they are that video.
Why you ask? Because they're easy to avoid. If you get hit by one you deserve to die. Let alone more than one. See that big red circle? If you're still standing in it in a second or two's time, you're dead. That's how it should be.

I see no reason why a group of players should be able to survive multiple hits from siege engines at once. Bloody ridiculous.

FuzzyDuck79 · November 2015

Yes - State Why

kuscoe wrote: »

I remember when rams were a dangerous but devastating tool in an assault - if you could get one up then you could take down a door very quickly, but there was a massive risk from oil and that made is more intense and more enjoyable. Now all you get is a ram put up with a couple of people next to it running purge, at which point you may as well be pouring fairy liquid on them and hoping that they slip over.

Whens the last time you saw someone front door a keep? I hardly ever see it and the last time I did it was countered with oil and the group moved to the side of the outpost

It's because the ram takes too long and people will pick you off with arrows/magic. So now they take the easy option of standing back out of range, let siege only hit them, and out heal it, while waiting for the wall to come down. Oil does nothing because if in a zerg people are spamming purge/heal. So yes you have clarified this for me again.

kuscoe · November 2015

No - State Why

CrowsDescend wrote: »

kuscoe wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

kuscoe wrote: »

Ludof wrote: »

This is Elder Scrolls Online not Elder Siege Online.
If you like playing the whole game with siege weapon because they hit so hard then this is not the game for you.
Siege Weapon hitting harder will just help zergs ; if you don't believe me i can give you an example:
PC-EU Server Trueflame Campaign at 21 (GMT +1) there is just 1 EP group against all blue zerg, last night we beat them several times without even using 1 Siege Weapon (while blue Zerg kept on using Fire Balistas and Meatbag);in the end they won after stacking 5 siege weapons.

Therefore anyone who wrote "yes"in the poll please explain here why this should help organised groups more than zergs.

Meantime I link here a video (when siege weapon used to hit so hard):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBXOO1LctAo

There is no helping this thead

Well to be honest, talking to you and the others who disagree, is like trying to get through to a cabbage. Just saying.

Its like that saying "They dont know what they want" you all say you want buffed siege damage but none of you are actually thinking of the consequences all I am seeing is banter about how "this is a *** siege weapong and you cant escape it"

Heres a point unrelevent to PvP but relevant to the discussion... Casuals complained SOOO *** hard about how the damage in the new dungeons was to high and I do think it was uneccasarily high in the begining due to so much different sources of damage all the devs have done is nerf the damage and are nerfing even more AS WE SPEAK because people cant handle it so even if you wanted seige to do more damage people would complain and it would eventually get nerfed

Wheres my video bro?

Who even complained about siege damage being too high in the first place???

Did they make a big poll to get it nerfed? I surely didn't see that.

It was an unintentional nerf/bug or a sneaky nerf with the changes to battle spirit, and/or fixing coldharbor weapon animation.

Don't you get what I mean????? seriously? o.O

And about the video, yeah I'm still gonna do it, but guess what? I haven't even been shot or killed by a siege weapon all day yet

Im saying people will complain if this thread gets taken seriously...

SHADOW2KK · November 2015

Yes - State Why

CrowsDescend wrote: »

kuscoe wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

kuscoe wrote: »

Ludof wrote: »

This is Elder Scrolls Online not Elder Siege Online.
If you like playing the whole game with siege weapon because they hit so hard then this is not the game for you.
Siege Weapon hitting harder will just help zergs ; if you don't believe me i can give you an example:
PC-EU Server Trueflame Campaign at 21 (GMT +1) there is just 1 EP group against all blue zerg, last night we beat them several times without even using 1 Siege Weapon (while blue Zerg kept on using Fire Balistas and Meatbag);in the end they won after stacking 5 siege weapons.

Therefore anyone who wrote "yes"in the poll please explain here why this should help organised groups more than zergs.

Meantime I link here a video (when siege weapon used to hit so hard):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBXOO1LctAo

There is no helping this thead

Well to be honest, talking to you and the others who disagree, is like trying to get through to a cabbage. Just saying.

Its like that saying "They dont know what they want" you all say you want buffed siege damage but none of you are actually thinking of the consequences all I am seeing is banter about how "this is a *** siege weapong and you cant escape it"

Heres a point unrelevent to PvP but relevant to the discussion... Casuals complained SOOO *** hard about how the damage in the new dungeons was to high and I do think it was uneccasarily high in the begining due to so much different sources of damage all the devs have done is nerf the damage and are nerfing even more AS WE SPEAK because people cant handle it so even if you wanted seige to do more damage people would complain and it would eventually get nerfed

Wheres my video bro?

Who even complained about siege damage being too high in the first place???

Did they make a big poll to get it nerfed? I surely didn't see that.

It was an unintentional nerf/bug or a sneaky nerf with the changes to battle spirit, and/or fixing coldharbor weapon animation.

Don't you get what I mean????? seriously? o.O

And about the video, yeah I'm still gonna do it, but guess what? I haven't even been shot or killed by a siege weapon all day yet

Stand in the huge unrealistic red circles then matey:P, even at that, the siege weapons are so woefully terrible, you will survive it....

Pure unadulterated caring to the masses of whiners crap

Molag_Crow · November 2015

Yes - State Why

Panth141 wrote: »

kuscoe wrote: »

FuzzyDuck79 wrote: »

kuscoe wrote: »

FuzzyDuck79 wrote: »

kuscoe wrote: »

notimetocare wrote: »

kuscoe wrote: »

Buff it?? Why if you dont purge oils you will die... if you dont purge fire siege you will die this is what makes tower farms so insanely lucrative at times

OR you can avoid siege. OR people can stop being stupid and camp a resource while people are camping inside. In short, OR people can learn how to play.

Did you just L2P me? LOL

Why avoid it when I can purge it?

Why am I stupid for trying to take down a tower farm? afaik thats where the AP is and typically there is no lag because you dont tower farm with 24+ people -______-

You tried to mock me with your "ors" but it was just bad and hard to read

Exactly the point. You just said it yourself... Why avoid it when I can purge it? (why play when I have a 1 hit fix?) So zerg just stand around with their 1 hit fix and ignore siege weapons. While you're spamming purge the guy next to you is doing what? What great input does he have to the fight besides being a number? All he has to do is turn up.

Ok

Um

its been said before in this thread

this is not elder siege online

player vs player

any player will die to siege in 2-3 seconds if they do not counteract it there is no need to buff it

also apart from like disease siege or whatever do you really think the devs intended us to shoot fire ballistas at each other and have fun?

I play my character in pvp not some simple ass siege weapon

So you're all for standing around in a zerg spamming purge and vigor, and not really using any skil to play the game? Just let someone else heal you and attack the nearest target ignoring all incoming siege? You know how to "play" your character....

No I do not Zerg if I am in a group it is 12 or less I rely on myself to realize what is happening and react to it

Also to the other *** in the thread I am not for realism with siege yes I would to walk away from being hit with a giant rock but not unscathed however I will heal myself because that is what you are supposed to do when being damged typically

Also like 80% of this thread is wanting more damage from siege and you know what thats fine it will be unbalance but seriously is that what we want from PvP right now? more *** siege damage? how about fixing the lag? how about Arena? *** Siege I dont care if my group is siege a keep I dont do it, it is boring as *** and in the end pointless

And Fuzzy just because you mentioned me not wanting this game to require skill ill let you know I made a extensive post about the state of PvE and how it takes absolutely no skill and how the Trap exploit was just another example of how little ZOS care about PvE of course I made a video demonstrating the durastic effects of the trap but unfortunately the mods removed my contstructive post and yeahh...

heres the video for proof hopefully this doesnt get taken down

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNzn1UYxnCQ

I don't think anyone is arguing that lag shouldn't be fixed, or against arenas... just pointing out that siege does a disproportionately small amount of damage, as such those siege weapons intended to counter large group (read: zerg) assaults - catapults/oil - aren't able to perform the role they're intended to.

I remember when rams were a dangerous but devastating tool in an assault - if you could get one up then you could take down a door very quickly, but there was a massive risk from oil and that made is more intense and more enjoyable. Now all you get is a ram put up with a couple of people next to it running purge, at which point you may as well be pouring fairy liquid on them and hoping that they slip over.

Your post above kind of hurts the credibility of your points from my perspective - we aren't arguing against the changes you mentioned, but you seem to be getting a little 'overly enthusiastic' about it all.

@CrowsDescend - despite your unfathomable allegiance to the pretenders for the Ruby Throne, I think I'm with you on this one.

I loved reading that. "May as well be pouring fairy liquid on them and hoping that they slip over"

Yeah, I do make some crazy/controversial topics at times, I will admit! but I'm so serious about this one, I miss the old siege weapons' damage....

Molag_Crow · November 2015

Yes - State Why

kuscoe wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

kuscoe wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

kuscoe wrote: »

Ludof wrote: »

This is Elder Scrolls Online not Elder Siege Online.
If you like playing the whole game with siege weapon because they hit so hard then this is not the game for you.
Siege Weapon hitting harder will just help zergs ; if you don't believe me i can give you an example:
PC-EU Server Trueflame Campaign at 21 (GMT +1) there is just 1 EP group against all blue zerg, last night we beat them several times without even using 1 Siege Weapon (while blue Zerg kept on using Fire Balistas and Meatbag);in the end they won after stacking 5 siege weapons.

Therefore anyone who wrote "yes"in the poll please explain here why this should help organised groups more than zergs.

Meantime I link here a video (when siege weapon used to hit so hard):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBXOO1LctAo

There is no helping this thead

Well to be honest, talking to you and the others who disagree, is like trying to get through to a cabbage. Just saying.

Its like that saying "They dont know what they want" you all say you want buffed siege damage but none of you are actually thinking of the consequences all I am seeing is banter about how "this is a *** siege weapong and you cant escape it"

Heres a point unrelevent to PvP but relevant to the discussion... Casuals complained SOOO *** hard about how the damage in the new dungeons was to high and I do think it was uneccasarily high in the begining due to so much different sources of damage all the devs have done is nerf the damage and are nerfing even more AS WE SPEAK because people cant handle it so even if you wanted seige to do more damage people would complain and it would eventually get nerfed

Wheres my video bro?

Who even complained about siege damage being too high in the first place???

Did they make a big poll to get it nerfed? I surely didn't see that.

It was an unintentional nerf/bug or a sneaky nerf with the changes to battle spirit, and/or fixing coldharbor weapon animation.

Don't you get what I mean????? seriously? o.O

And about the video, yeah I'm still gonna do it, but guess what? I haven't even been shot or killed by a siege weapon all day yet

Im saying people will complain if this thread gets taken seriously...

Who will complain if it gets taken seriously? you and a few others who've commented?

that's why it's a poll, if the majority want the glorious siege weapon damage back then why shouldn't that be taken seriously?

Do you feel like... superior or something, that they should stay the same, even if 1000's want them buffed? $:\$

SHADOW2KK · November 2015

Yes - State Why

kuscoe wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

kuscoe wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

kuscoe wrote: »

Ludof wrote: »

This is Elder Scrolls Online not Elder Siege Online.
If you like playing the whole game with siege weapon because they hit so hard then this is not the game for you.
Siege Weapon hitting harder will just help zergs ; if you don't believe me i can give you an example:
PC-EU Server Trueflame Campaign at 21 (GMT +1) there is just 1 EP group against all blue zerg, last night we beat them several times without even using 1 Siege Weapon (while blue Zerg kept on using Fire Balistas and Meatbag);in the end they won after stacking 5 siege weapons.

Therefore anyone who wrote "yes"in the poll please explain here why this should help organised groups more than zergs.

Meantime I link here a video (when siege weapon used to hit so hard):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBXOO1LctAo

There is no helping this thead

Well to be honest, talking to you and the others who disagree, is like trying to get through to a cabbage. Just saying.

Its like that saying "They dont know what they want" you all say you want buffed siege damage but none of you are actually thinking of the consequences all I am seeing is banter about how "this is a *** siege weapong and you cant escape it"

Heres a point unrelevent to PvP but relevant to the discussion... Casuals complained SOOO *** hard about how the damage in the new dungeons was to high and I do think it was uneccasarily high in the begining due to so much different sources of damage all the devs have done is nerf the damage and are nerfing even more AS WE SPEAK because people cant handle it so even if you wanted seige to do more damage people would complain and it would eventually get nerfed

Wheres my video bro?

Who even complained about siege damage being too high in the first place???

Did they make a big poll to get it nerfed? I surely didn't see that.

It was an unintentional nerf/bug or a sneaky nerf with the changes to battle spirit, and/or fixing coldharbor weapon animation.

Don't you get what I mean????? seriously? o.O

And about the video, yeah I'm still gonna do it, but guess what? I haven't even been shot or killed by a siege weapon all day yet

Im saying people will complain if this thread gets taken seriously...

So? let them, you get huge massive red circles warning you to back away, how hard can it be to stay away from the big unrealiistic red circles, and then to make it even worse, the damage given is absolutely terrible plus purgable.

As said many times in this thread, siege weaponry were used for antie personnel and sieging and were meant to deal massive damage to both, especially people.

Let the whiners whine, they should not even be in PvP in the first place if they cannot stay out of big warning red circles then they deserve to die.

This game bends over backwards for the whining players and forbid any kind of common sense or reality or anything.

Adapt, if a siege engine has you pinned down, then military logic says that you spread out and flank and destroy threat.

Simples.

/facepalm

kuscoe · November 2015

No - State Why

CrowsDescend wrote: »

kuscoe wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

kuscoe wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

kuscoe wrote: »

Ludof wrote: »

This is Elder Scrolls Online not Elder Siege Online.
If you like playing the whole game with siege weapon because they hit so hard then this is not the game for you.
Siege Weapon hitting harder will just help zergs ; if you don't believe me i can give you an example:
PC-EU Server Trueflame Campaign at 21 (GMT +1) there is just 1 EP group against all blue zerg, last night we beat them several times without even using 1 Siege Weapon (while blue Zerg kept on using Fire Balistas and Meatbag);in the end they won after stacking 5 siege weapons.

Therefore anyone who wrote "yes"in the poll please explain here why this should help organised groups more than zergs.

Meantime I link here a video (when siege weapon used to hit so hard):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBXOO1LctAo

There is no helping this thead

Well to be honest, talking to you and the others who disagree, is like trying to get through to a cabbage. Just saying.

Its like that saying "They dont know what they want" you all say you want buffed siege damage but none of you are actually thinking of the consequences all I am seeing is banter about how "this is a *** siege weapong and you cant escape it"

Heres a point unrelevent to PvP but relevant to the discussion... Casuals complained SOOO *** hard about how the damage in the new dungeons was to high and I do think it was uneccasarily high in the begining due to so much different sources of damage all the devs have done is nerf the damage and are nerfing even more AS WE SPEAK because people cant handle it so even if you wanted seige to do more damage people would complain and it would eventually get nerfed

Wheres my video bro?

Who even complained about siege damage being too high in the first place???

Did they make a big poll to get it nerfed? I surely didn't see that.

It was an unintentional nerf/bug or a sneaky nerf with the changes to battle spirit, and/or fixing coldharbor weapon animation.

Don't you get what I mean????? seriously? o.O

And about the video, yeah I'm still gonna do it, but guess what? I haven't even been shot or killed by a siege weapon all day yet

Im saying people will complain if this thread gets taken seriously...

Who will complain if it gets taken seriously? you and a few others who've commented? that's why it's a poll, if the majority want the glorious siege weapon damage back then why shouldn't that be taken seriously?

Do you feel like... superior or something, that they should stay the same, even if 1000's want them buffed? $:\$

STOP THINKING ABOUT WHAT YOU WANT AND THINK ABOUT WHAT WILL HAPPEN WHEN YOU GET IT

You need to understand that the "casuals" in this game complain about everything so while yes most people in this thread want more siege damage despite how ignorant that is the casuals will complain and it will eventually get nerfed

YES I want skillfull gameplay but I hate to break it to you the casuals do not

the reason PvE has been nerfed into the ground so *** hard is because casuals complain about how it is so hard for them

the same will happen if they increase siege damage

I personally do not think this will help anything and will make TTK even shorter which is a bad thing

SHADOW2KK · November 2015

Yes - State Why

kuscoe wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

kuscoe wrote: »

Yah ok bye I cant fend off 5 people at once

Use siege then:P

Fire ballista, scatter shot or something, all the anti personnel siege weaponry we have and that in real life used to utterly pwn troop formations etc.

Oh wait....

You do not like that, I forget

Bye then:}

You are dumb if that was a joke it wasnt funny if you legitmately didnt understand the context your post made no sense

LOL, just lol, and who said I was joking, what I have put many times in this thread is factually correct, you wanna fly with the fairies in fantastical rubbish, then go for it.

Siege weapons were used in war for wall breaking and killing enemy soldiers in formations etc.

FACT

Makes perfect sense.

Nice fail

FuzzyDuck79 · November 2015

Yes - State Why

kuscoe wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

kuscoe wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

kuscoe wrote: »

Ludof wrote: »

This is Elder Scrolls Online not Elder Siege Online.
If you like playing the whole game with siege weapon because they hit so hard then this is not the game for you.
Siege Weapon hitting harder will just help zergs ; if you don't believe me i can give you an example:
PC-EU Server Trueflame Campaign at 21 (GMT +1) there is just 1 EP group against all blue zerg, last night we beat them several times without even using 1 Siege Weapon (while blue Zerg kept on using Fire Balistas and Meatbag);in the end they won after stacking 5 siege weapons.

Therefore anyone who wrote "yes"in the poll please explain here why this should help organised groups more than zergs.

Meantime I link here a video (when siege weapon used to hit so hard):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBXOO1LctAo

There is no helping this thead

Well to be honest, talking to you and the others who disagree, is like trying to get through to a cabbage. Just saying.

Its like that saying "They dont know what they want" you all say you want buffed siege damage but none of you are actually thinking of the consequences all I am seeing is banter about how "this is a *** siege weapong and you cant escape it"

Heres a point unrelevent to PvP but relevant to the discussion... Casuals complained SOOO *** hard about how the damage in the new dungeons was to high and I do think it was uneccasarily high in the begining due to so much different sources of damage all the devs have done is nerf the damage and are nerfing even more AS WE SPEAK because people cant handle it so even if you wanted seige to do more damage people would complain and it would eventually get nerfed

Wheres my video bro?

Who even complained about siege damage being too high in the first place???

Did they make a big poll to get it nerfed? I surely didn't see that.

It was an unintentional nerf/bug or a sneaky nerf with the changes to battle spirit, and/or fixing coldharbor weapon animation.

Don't you get what I mean????? seriously? o.O

And about the video, yeah I'm still gonna do it, but guess what? I haven't even been shot or killed by a siege weapon all day yet

No *** you havnt been one shot that was never my point'

Siege damage + Player damage is more then enough to wipe any zerg assuming we arent talking about a 60v20

There is nothing that will help that because in the end numbers win period due to lag

Siege damage does not outweigh healing. You should not be able to stand around in a red circle picking your nose because the person next to you is healing themselves. How will The new player learn anything if all he has to do is run and attack the nearest target?

SHADOW2KK · November 2015

Yes - State Why

kuscoe wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

kuscoe wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

kuscoe wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

kuscoe wrote: »

Ludof wrote: »

This is Elder Scrolls Online not Elder Siege Online.
If you like playing the whole game with siege weapon because they hit so hard then this is not the game for you.
Siege Weapon hitting harder will just help zergs ; if you don't believe me i can give you an example:
PC-EU Server Trueflame Campaign at 21 (GMT +1) there is just 1 EP group against all blue zerg, last night we beat them several times without even using 1 Siege Weapon (while blue Zerg kept on using Fire Balistas and Meatbag);in the end they won after stacking 5 siege weapons.

Therefore anyone who wrote "yes"in the poll please explain here why this should help organised groups more than zergs.

Meantime I link here a video (when siege weapon used to hit so hard):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBXOO1LctAo

There is no helping this thead

Well to be honest, talking to you and the others who disagree, is like trying to get through to a cabbage. Just saying.

Its like that saying "They dont know what they want" you all say you want buffed siege damage but none of you are actually thinking of the consequences all I am seeing is banter about how "this is a *** siege weapong and you cant escape it"

Heres a point unrelevent to PvP but relevant to the discussion... Casuals complained SOOO *** hard about how the damage in the new dungeons was to high and I do think it was uneccasarily high in the begining due to so much different sources of damage all the devs have done is nerf the damage and are nerfing even more AS WE SPEAK because people cant handle it so even if you wanted seige to do more damage people would complain and it would eventually get nerfed

Wheres my video bro?

Who even complained about siege damage being too high in the first place???

Did they make a big poll to get it nerfed? I surely didn't see that.

It was an unintentional nerf/bug or a sneaky nerf with the changes to battle spirit, and/or fixing coldharbor weapon animation.

Don't you get what I mean????? seriously? o.O

And about the video, yeah I'm still gonna do it, but guess what? I haven't even been shot or killed by a siege weapon all day yet

Im saying people will complain if this thread gets taken seriously...

Who will complain if it gets taken seriously? you and a few others who've commented? that's why it's a poll, if the majority want the glorious siege weapon damage back then why shouldn't that be taken seriously?

Do you feel like... superior or something, that they should stay the same, even if 1000's want them buffed? $:\$

STOP THINKING ABOUT WHAT YOU WANT AND THINK ABOUT WHAT WILL HAPPEN WHEN YOU GET IT

You need to understand that the "casuals" in this game complain about everything so while yes most people in this thread want more siege damage despite how ignorant that is the casuals will complain and it will eventually get nerfed

YES I want skillfull gameplay but I hate to break it to you the casuals do not

the reason PvE has been nerfed into the ground so *** hard is because casuals complain about how it is so hard for them

the same will happen if they increase siege damage

I personally do not think this will help anything and will make TTK even shorter which is a bad thing

Casuals are gonna moan anyways, does not matter what genre, they do not know enough to be good or w/e.

Whiners are gonna whine.

kuscoe · November 2015

No - State Why

I will say this before I leave ZOS does not Cater to any of you in this thread they cater to *** in the zerg so when that *** complains that his zerg cant outheal seige damage the change will be reverted and time spent will be worth nothing I really hope they do not devote any time to this because in the end it will just be adjusted to what the "average" player want

Molag_Crow · November 2015

Yes - State Why

kuscoe wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

kuscoe wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

kuscoe wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

kuscoe wrote: »

Ludof wrote: »

This is Elder Scrolls Online not Elder Siege Online.
If you like playing the whole game with siege weapon because they hit so hard then this is not the game for you.
Siege Weapon hitting harder will just help zergs ; if you don't believe me i can give you an example:
PC-EU Server Trueflame Campaign at 21 (GMT +1) there is just 1 EP group against all blue zerg, last night we beat them several times without even using 1 Siege Weapon (while blue Zerg kept on using Fire Balistas and Meatbag);in the end they won after stacking 5 siege weapons.

Therefore anyone who wrote "yes"in the poll please explain here why this should help organised groups more than zergs.

Meantime I link here a video (when siege weapon used to hit so hard):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBXOO1LctAo

There is no helping this thead

Well to be honest, talking to you and the others who disagree, is like trying to get through to a cabbage. Just saying.

Its like that saying "They dont know what they want" you all say you want buffed siege damage but none of you are actually thinking of the consequences all I am seeing is banter about how "this is a *** siege weapong and you cant escape it"

Heres a point unrelevent to PvP but relevant to the discussion... Casuals complained SOOO *** hard about how the damage in the new dungeons was to high and I do think it was uneccasarily high in the begining due to so much different sources of damage all the devs have done is nerf the damage and are nerfing even more AS WE SPEAK because people cant handle it so even if you wanted seige to do more damage people would complain and it would eventually get nerfed

Wheres my video bro?

Who even complained about siege damage being too high in the first place???

Did they make a big poll to get it nerfed? I surely didn't see that.

It was an unintentional nerf/bug or a sneaky nerf with the changes to battle spirit, and/or fixing coldharbor weapon animation.

Don't you get what I mean????? seriously? o.O

And about the video, yeah I'm still gonna do it, but guess what? I haven't even been shot or killed by a siege weapon all day yet

Im saying people will complain if this thread gets taken seriously...

Who will complain if it gets taken seriously? you and a few others who've commented? that's why it's a poll, if the majority want the glorious siege weapon damage back then why shouldn't that be taken seriously?

Do you feel like... superior or something, that they should stay the same, even if 1000's want them buffed? $:\$

STOP THINKING ABOUT WHAT YOU WANT AND THINK ABOUT WHAT WILL HAPPEN WHEN YOU GET IT

You need to understand that the "casuals" in this game complain about everything so while yes most people in this thread want more siege damage despite how ignorant that is the casuals will complain and it will eventually get nerfed

YES I want skillfull gameplay but I hate to break it to you the casuals do not

the reason PvE has been nerfed into the ground so *** hard is because casuals complain about how it is so hard for them

the same will happen if they increase siege damage

I personally do not think this will help anything and will make TTK even shorter which is a bad thing

I WILL THINK WHATEVER I WANT TO THINK, THANK YOU VERY MUCH

lol but casuals can even use siege weapons, especially if they get buffed. Before IC update, I used to get frustrated, unable to beat groups, so I'd sit back on a wall with my trusty fire ballista and score a few kills/make zergs disperse a little, but of course the SMART players would set up a fire treb and aim at me and my ballista.

Counter to everything ...

kuscoe · November 2015

No - State Why

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

kuscoe wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

kuscoe wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

kuscoe wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

kuscoe wrote: »

Ludof wrote: »

This is Elder Scrolls Online not Elder Siege Online.
If you like playing the whole game with siege weapon because they hit so hard then this is not the game for you.
Siege Weapon hitting harder will just help zergs ; if you don't believe me i can give you an example:
PC-EU Server Trueflame Campaign at 21 (GMT +1) there is just 1 EP group against all blue zerg, last night we beat them several times without even using 1 Siege Weapon (while blue Zerg kept on using Fire Balistas and Meatbag);in the end they won after stacking 5 siege weapons.

Therefore anyone who wrote "yes"in the poll please explain here why this should help organised groups more than zergs.

Meantime I link here a video (when siege weapon used to hit so hard):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBXOO1LctAo

There is no helping this thead

Well to be honest, talking to you and the others who disagree, is like trying to get through to a cabbage. Just saying.

Its like that saying "They dont know what they want" you all say you want buffed siege damage but none of you are actually thinking of the consequences all I am seeing is banter about how "this is a *** siege weapong and you cant escape it"

Heres a point unrelevent to PvP but relevant to the discussion... Casuals complained SOOO *** hard about how the damage in the new dungeons was to high and I do think it was uneccasarily high in the begining due to so much different sources of damage all the devs have done is nerf the damage and are nerfing even more AS WE SPEAK because people cant handle it so even if you wanted seige to do more damage people would complain and it would eventually get nerfed

Wheres my video bro?

Who even complained about siege damage being too high in the first place???

Did they make a big poll to get it nerfed? I surely didn't see that.

It was an unintentional nerf/bug or a sneaky nerf with the changes to battle spirit, and/or fixing coldharbor weapon animation.

Don't you get what I mean????? seriously? o.O

And about the video, yeah I'm still gonna do it, but guess what? I haven't even been shot or killed by a siege weapon all day yet

Im saying people will complain if this thread gets taken seriously...

Who will complain if it gets taken seriously? you and a few others who've commented? that's why it's a poll, if the majority want the glorious siege weapon damage back then why shouldn't that be taken seriously?

Do you feel like... superior or something, that they should stay the same, even if 1000's want them buffed? $:\$

STOP THINKING ABOUT WHAT YOU WANT AND THINK ABOUT WHAT WILL HAPPEN WHEN YOU GET IT

You need to understand that the "casuals" in this game complain about everything so while yes most people in this thread want more siege damage despite how ignorant that is the casuals will complain and it will eventually get nerfed

YES I want skillfull gameplay but I hate to break it to you the casuals do not

the reason PvE has been nerfed into the ground so *** hard is because casuals complain about how it is so hard for them

the same will happen if they increase siege damage

I personally do not think this will help anything and will make TTK even shorter which is a bad thing

Casuals are gonna moan anyways, does not matter what genre, they do not know enough to be good or w/e.

Whiners are gonna whine.

Correct however those casuals weigh 10:1 into you so from a buisness standpoint they will always win and that is why this will never work

Molag_Crow · November 2015

Yes - State Why

kuscoe wrote: »

I will say this before I leave ZOS does not Cater to any of you in this thread they cater to *** in the zerg so when that *** complains that his zerg cant outheal seige damage the change will be reverted and time spent will be worth nothing I really hope they do not devote any time to this because in the end it will just be adjusted to what the "average" player want

Even though the average player may want stronger siege weapons because maybe they, too, realize how weak they currently are.

Go and PvP for a few hours with a bunch of siege weapons and please, TRY to kill players/zergs and see for yourself. You don't even have to reply with your results because you'll probably lie anyway.

AMadAussie · November 2015

Yes - State Why

kuscoe wrote: »

You need to understand that the "casuals" in this game complain about everything so while yes most people in this thread want more siege damage despite how ignorant that is the casuals will complain and it will eventually get nerfed
YES I want skillfull gameplay but I hate to break it to you the casuals do not

I am a casual and I endorse this thread.

FuzzyDuck79 · November 2015

Yes - State Why

kuscoe wrote: »

I will say this before I leave ZOS does not Cater to any of you in this thread they cater to *** in the zerg so when that *** complains that his zerg cant outheal seige damage the change will be reverted and time spent will be worth nothing I really hope they do not devote any time to this because in the end it will just be adjusted to what the "average" player want

ZOS cater to the zerg. Thank you. You back my posts again. So by that post and the flaming of siege weapons you must be all for zerging. You said it yourself, you like siege the way it is because it caters to the zerg. I rest my case.

SHADOW2KK · November 2015

Yes - State Why

AMadAussie wrote: »

kuscoe wrote: »

go *** yourself

Don't go spitting the dummy on us now.

He is obviously upset, upset that we are so selfish to want the game to have siege engines to actually hit harder than a wet lettuce on the grounds that siege shizzle was used in war to break enemy troops and walls and was very very damaging.

How evil we are to try to educate him that this is factual and stuff.

Armitas · November 2015

Yes - State Why

In my campaign when AD begins to lose they drop 80 people on the server...against about 25 EP. 12-16 of which is my group. We can push in and kill a good 30, but with these AOE caps there is only so far you can go with that. The only way to stop a ball like that is with siege and it just doesn't do enough.

ZOS isn't going to drag them off the sever when they bomb it with numbers and lag, but if they give us the tools we can send them back to their spawn.

Armitas · November 2015

Yes - State Why

Kuscoe, you need to calm down before you get banned. Calm down and edit.

Panth141 · November 2015

Yes - State Why

*sigh*
This went downhill.

On topic, I've literally just watched 5 people on a ram (though with a siege shield) have two pots of oil poured right on them - they maybe lost 5% of their health before you could see three of them simultaneously purge. Flaming oil is now ineffective and useless for most defences.

Also, mod arrival in 3, 2, 1...

FuzzyDuck79 · November 2015

Yes - State Why

No you'll find all your quotes above my response. Have another read back through buddy. You say you like siege the way it is. You also say ZOS caters to the zerg. ZOS cut siege damage, in your own words, to cater for the zerg. They don't cater for players like me. YOU stated this.

Molag_Crow · November 2015

Yes - State Why

Panth141 wrote: »

*sigh*
This went downhill.

On topic, I've literally just watched 5 people on a ram (though with a siege shield) have two pots of oil poured right on them - they maybe lost 5% of their health before you could see three of them simultaneously purge. Flaming oil is now ineffective and useless for most defences.

Also, mod arrival in 3, 2, 1...

Indeed... I'm no longer responding to those kind of hateful comments. Serves no purpose, really.

That's disgusting that, I witnessed similar earlier. I was pouring 2 oils above the main gate against a small group too, and of course non of them died, they ended up just getting through with stainless clothing/armor, and onto the next door. ^^

AMadAussie · November 2015

Yes - State Why

kuscoe wrote: »

Im going to make breakfast so yah later shitcunts pl0x report me

Are you going to cook it with flaming oil? Cause that's about all it's good for now.