Buff Siege Weapon Damage Against Players

Molag_Crow · November 2015

Yes - State Why

kuscoe wrote: »

FuzzyDuck79 wrote: »

kuscoe wrote: »

notimetocare wrote: »

kuscoe wrote: »

Buff it?? Why if you dont purge oils you will die... if you dont purge fire siege you will die this is what makes tower farms so insanely lucrative at times

OR you can avoid siege. OR people can stop being stupid and camp a resource while people are camping inside. In short, OR people can learn how to play.

Did you just L2P me? LOL

Why avoid it when I can purge it?

Why am I stupid for trying to take down a tower farm? afaik thats where the AP is and typically there is no lag because you dont tower farm with 24+ people -______-

You tried to mock me with your "ors" but it was just bad and hard to read

Exactly the point. You just said it yourself... Why avoid it when I can purge it? (why play when I have a 1 hit fix?) So zerg just stand around with their 1 hit fix and ignore siege weapons. While you're spamming purge the guy next to you is doing what? What great input does he have to the fight besides being a number? All he has to do is turn up.

Ok

Um

its been said before in this thread

this is not elder siege online

player vs player

Yet PvP isn't player vs player in this game, hence why we have loads of keeps, resources, NPCs, towers and objectives to capture those very places. Large scale PvP which involves siege weapons, that's expected and pretty much realistic anyway...

I (and many many others) would be so happy if they just buffed the siege weapon damage, gave us small scale PvP like arenas, where siege weapons won't work, or something... and possibly remove the AOE cap or make the siege weapons ignore it, making siege weapons one of the only ways to stop a zerg.

Molag_Crow · November 2015

Yes - State Why

@kuscoe also, players don't die within 2-3 seconds from siege weapons.

No offence, but when was the last time you were in Cyrodiil? be honest, because from what you've said so far, it seems like you're talking about pre-imperial city PvP.

Tors · November 2015

No - State Why

Siege weapons take down walls and doors. That is their job, they do it well.

Remember ballista's don't kill people, people do!!

SHADOW2KK · November 2015

Yes - State Why

Tors wrote: »

Siege weapons take down walls and doors. That is their job, they do it well.

Remember ballista's don't kill people, people do!!

Think the Romans and other warrior races would beg to differ, considering Ballistas were used for both ant personnel and walls/covering fire etc.

hydrocynus · November 2015

This is just a Nerf in Buff's clothing thread.

You guys are getting creative!

#NoNerfNovember

Molag_Crow · November 2015

Yes - State Why

Tors wrote: »

Siege weapons take down walls and doors. That is their job, they do it well.

Remember ballista's don't kill people, people do!!

So what's Flaming Oil for?

What are fire ballistas for, and before you say doors, we have Battering Rams specifically for doors.

kuscoe · November 2015

No - State Why

CrowsDescend wrote: »

@kuscoe also, players don't die within 2-3 seconds from siege weapons.

No offence, but when was the last time you were in Cyrodiil? be honest, because from what you've said so far, it seems like you're talking about pre-imperial city PvP.

Today.

If you do not cleanse an oil or a fire ballista you will die within a matter of seconds

Alucardo · November 2015

Yes - State Why

Because they're F*@%ING SIEGE ENGINES. THAT'S WHY.

lolo_01b16_ESO · November 2015

Yes - State Why

Tors wrote: »

Siege weapons take down walls and doors. That is their job, they do it well.

Remember ballista's don't kill people, people do!!

Then why do we have oil catapults, oil pots, scatter shot catapults, fire + shock ballistas, fire + ice trebuchets?
If it was just about walls and doors we'd only need ram, stone trebs and normal ballistas.

maxjapank · November 2015

Yes - State Why

Tors wrote: »

Siege weapons take down walls and doors. That is their job, they do it well.

Remember ballista's don't kill people, people do!!

No. You are absolutely wrong. Only stone siege is supposed to take down walls and Rams for doors. What about fire siege, meat bags, oil, lighting, and fire pots? They should all have their place.

kuscoe · November 2015

No - State Why

Siege weapons are a mechanism to allow capture of Keeps and Resources not player killing

SHADOW2KK · November 2015

Yes - State Why

kuscoe wrote: »

Siege weapons are a mechanism to allow capture of Keeps and Resources not player killing

So the Romans and every other race who used siege weaponry to break up enemy formations etc and some good old fashioned Shock and Awe ancient style warfare were stupid for doing that?

Scatter shot catapults e.g are anti personnel, flaming ballistas are anti personnel, the list goes on.

maxjapank · November 2015

Yes - State Why

kuscoe wrote: »

Siege weapons are a mechanism to allow capture of Keeps and Resources not player killing

That is not the only thing siege was intended for. Otherwise, just get rid of all siege except Stone.

Molag_Crow · November 2015

Yes - State Why

kuscoe wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

@kuscoe also, players don't die within 2-3 seconds from siege weapons.

No offence, but when was the last time you were in Cyrodiil? be honest, because from what you've said so far, it seems like you're talking about pre-imperial city PvP.

Today.

If you do not cleanse an oil or a fire ballista you will die within a matter of seconds

You're a Vampire, I bet because I don't die within a matter of seconds and in fact, just for you, I will test it out right now and record & upload it.

kuscoe · November 2015

No - State Why

CrowsDescend wrote: »

kuscoe wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

@kuscoe also, players don't die within 2-3 seconds from siege weapons.

No offence, but when was the last time you were in Cyrodiil? be honest, because from what you've said so far, it seems like you're talking about pre-imperial city PvP.

Today.

If you do not cleanse an oil or a fire ballista you will die within a matter of seconds

You're a Vampire, I bet because I don't die within a matter of seconds and in fact, just for you, I will test it out right now and record & upload it.

IDK how you are going to do that the servers are down

nevermind console player duh

gen_reynard2050 · November 2015

Yes - State Why

becoz CP system...

kuscoe · November 2015

No - State Why

CrowsDescend wrote: »

kuscoe wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

@kuscoe also, players don't die within 2-3 seconds from siege weapons.

No offence, but when was the last time you were in Cyrodiil? be honest, because from what you've said so far, it seems like you're talking about pre-imperial city PvP.

Today.

If you do not cleanse an oil or a fire ballista you will die within a matter of seconds

You're a Vampire, I bet because I don't die within a matter of seconds and in fact, just for you, I will test it out right now and record & upload it.

Id like to make a point though, siege damage where it is at is good because if you are getting sieged and have a group attacking you and you do not purge the siege 9/10 you will die unless you are A. a 24 man zerg running multiple staple healers or B. a smaller group running a *** of heals

I am interested in this video and Yes I am a vampire but so is half of cyrodil it is required on some classes for mobility

FuzzyDuck79 · November 2015

Yes - State Why

kuscoe wrote: »

FuzzyDuck79 wrote: »

kuscoe wrote: »

notimetocare wrote: »

kuscoe wrote: »

Buff it?? Why if you dont purge oils you will die... if you dont purge fire siege you will die this is what makes tower farms so insanely lucrative at times

OR you can avoid siege. OR people can stop being stupid and camp a resource while people are camping inside. In short, OR people can learn how to play.

Did you just L2P me? LOL

Why avoid it when I can purge it?

Why am I stupid for trying to take down a tower farm? afaik thats where the AP is and typically there is no lag because you dont tower farm with 24+ people -______-

You tried to mock me with your "ors" but it was just bad and hard to read

Exactly the point. You just said it yourself... Why avoid it when I can purge it? (why play when I have a 1 hit fix?) So zerg just stand around with their 1 hit fix and ignore siege weapons. While you're spamming purge the guy next to you is doing what? What great input does he have to the fight besides being a number? All he has to do is turn up.

Ok

Um

its been said before in this thread

this is not elder siege online

player vs player

any player will die to siege in 2-3 seconds if they do not counteract it there is no need to buff it

also apart from like disease siege or whatever do you really think the devs intended us to shoot fire ballistas at each other and have fun?

I play my character in pvp not some simple ass siege weapon

So you're all for standing around in a zerg spamming purge and vigor, and not really using any skil to play the game? Just let someone else heal you and attack the nearest target ignoring all incoming siege? You know how to "play" your character....

Alucardo · November 2015

Yes - State Why

kuscoe wrote: »

Siege weapons are a mechanism to allow capture of Keeps and Resources not player killing

Are you saying if you were hit by a massive stone flung by a trebuchet you'd walk away unscathed because it was meant for creating breaches in castle walls?
Ballistas were originally created for damaging the structuring around castle doorways and killing defenders emerging.

If you wanted a "real life" siege scenario, the following changes would be made

- Meatbags removed and replaced with.. trebs. Trebuchet's were not only used for breaching castles, but they also loaded them with animal dung and rotten meat to fling over the walls to spread disease.
- Ballistas should do additional damage to enemies
- Ballistas should do additional damage to the corner of the doorways
- A giant flaming rock flung by a trebuchet will instantly kill everything it hits. Because that's as realistic as you can get.

SHADOW2KK · November 2015

Yes - State Why

Alucardo wrote: »

kuscoe wrote: »

Siege weapons are a mechanism to allow capture of Keeps and Resources not player killing

Are you saying if you were hit by a massive stone flung by a trebuchet you'd walk away unscathed because it was meant for creating breaches in castle walls?
Ballistas were originally created for damaging the structuring around castle doorways and killing defenders emerging.

If you wanted a "real life" siege scenario, the following changes would be made

- Meatbags removed and replaced with.. trebs. Trebuchet's were not only used for breaching castles, but they also loaded them with animal dung and rotten meat to fling over the walls to spread disease.
- Ballistas should do additional damage to enemies
- Ballistas should do additional damage to the corner of the doorways
- A giant flaming rock flung by a trebuchet will instantly kill everything it hits. Because that's as realistic as you can get.

Pretty much what I have said a few times in this thread.

FuzzyDuck79 · November 2015

Yes - State Why

kuscoe wrote: »

Siege weapons are a mechanism to allow capture of Keeps and Resources not player killing

Lightning ballista must slow the walls down for you to hit them yeah???

Alucardo · November 2015

Yes - State Why

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Pretty much what I have said a few times in this thread.

Sorry man, sometimes I get lazy and just read the above few comments xD

SHADOW2KK · November 2015

Yes - State Why

Alucardo wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Pretty much what I have said a few times in this thread.

Sorry man, sometimes I get lazy and just read the above few comments xD

Lol not at all matey, I was just happy someone else agreed with common sense principles of siege warfare and its practicalities, hehe.

Panth141 · November 2015

Yes - State Why

kuscoe wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

@kuscoe also, players don't die within 2-3 seconds from siege weapons.

No offence, but when was the last time you were in Cyrodiil? be honest, because from what you've said so far, it seems like you're talking about pre-imperial city PvP.

Today.

If you do not cleanse an oil or a fire ballista you will die within a matter of seconds

Tors wrote: »

Siege weapons take down walls and doors. That is their job, they do it well.

Remember ballista's don't kill people, people do!!

So - and I'm not being passive aggressive here - just trying to understand your points of view; you're saying that siege weapons are not intended for use against players, only structures, and as such should have low damage against them?

Armitas · November 2015

Yes - State Why

Yes but when you buff it keep in mind that our healing is nerfed by 50%

Molag_Crow · November 2015

Yes - State Why

kuscoe wrote: »

Ludof wrote: »

This is Elder Scrolls Online not Elder Siege Online.
If you like playing the whole game with siege weapon because they hit so hard then this is not the game for you.
Siege Weapon hitting harder will just help zergs ; if you don't believe me i can give you an example:
PC-EU Server Trueflame Campaign at 21 (GMT +1) there is just 1 EP group against all blue zerg, last night we beat them several times without even using 1 Siege Weapon (while blue Zerg kept on using Fire Balistas and Meatbag);in the end they won after stacking 5 siege weapons.

Therefore anyone who wrote "yes"in the poll please explain here why this should help organised groups more than zergs.

Meantime I link here a video (when siege weapon used to hit so hard):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBXOO1LctAo

There is no helping this thead

Well to be honest, talking to you and the others who disagree, is like trying to get through to a cabbage. Just saying.

Sneaky-Snurr · November 2015

Yes - State Why

A thread with a suggestion to buff something? This is something I've not heard for quite some time among all the 'NURF THIS THAT' threads.

Jokes aside, sieges are by means the best way to disperse zergballs and increasing the base Weapon Damage for sieges is exactly how we could counter mindless pug-filled zergballs. I'd like to elaborate more but everyone else has pretty much said what I had in mind. And for that, I thank you.

Molag_Crow · November 2015

Yes - State Why

Oh and I like how only 3(?) of you who voted No, have actually stated why you disagree by commenting, so... respect for that.

FuzzyDuck79 · November 2015

Yes - State Why

kuscoe wrote: »

FuzzyDuck79 wrote: »

kuscoe wrote: »

FuzzyDuck79 wrote: »

kuscoe wrote: »

notimetocare wrote: »

kuscoe wrote: »

Buff it?? Why if you dont purge oils you will die... if you dont purge fire siege you will die this is what makes tower farms so insanely lucrative at times

OR you can avoid siege. OR people can stop being stupid and camp a resource while people are camping inside. In short, OR people can learn how to play.

Did you just L2P me? LOL

Why avoid it when I can purge it?

Why am I stupid for trying to take down a tower farm? afaik thats where the AP is and typically there is no lag because you dont tower farm with 24+ people -______-

You tried to mock me with your "ors" but it was just bad and hard to read

Exactly the point. You just said it yourself... Why avoid it when I can purge it? (why play when I have a 1 hit fix?) So zerg just stand around with their 1 hit fix and ignore siege weapons. While you're spamming purge the guy next to you is doing what? What great input does he have to the fight besides being a number? All he has to do is turn up.

Ok

Um

its been said before in this thread

this is not elder siege online

player vs player

any player will die to siege in 2-3 seconds if they do not counteract it there is no need to buff it

also apart from like disease siege or whatever do you really think the devs intended us to shoot fire ballistas at each other and have fun?

I play my character in pvp not some simple ass siege weapon

So you're all for standing around in a zerg spamming purge and vigor, and not really using any skil to play the game? Just let someone else heal you and attack the nearest target ignoring all incoming siege? You know how to "play" your character....

No I do not Zerg if I am in a group it is 12 or less I rely on myself to realize what is happening and react to it

Also to the other *** in the thread I am not for realism with siege yes I would to walk away from being hit with a giant rock but not unscathed however I will heal myself because that is what you are supposed to do when being damged typically

Also like 80% of this thread is wanting more damage from siege and you know what thats fine it will be unbalance but seriously is that what we want from PvP right now? more *** siege damage? how about fixing the lag? how about Arena? *** Siege I dont care if my group is siege a keep I dont do it, it is boring as *** and in the end pointless

And Fuzzy just because you mentioned me not wanting this game to require skill ill let you know I made a extensive post about the state of PvE and how it takes absolutely no skill and how the Trap exploit was just another example of how little ZOS care about PvE of course I made a video demonstrating the durastic effects of the trap but unfortunately the mods removed my contstructive post and yeahh...

heres the video for proof hopefully this doesnt get taken down

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNzn1UYxnCQ

Again my point. You react to it. You move. You have some skill input. Not just stand and let someone else heal you because the siege weapon doesn't hit as hard as the healing received. I'll say it again: I don't want 1 hit kills. I want a way to break up a zerg. Yes YOU play by moving or purging, but the new player, the inexperienced player won't. He won't even know what's happening because other people are healing him. Then all he has to do is aimlessly attack people. Adding damage to siege would force this player to do something other than to stand around waiting to attack.

kuscoe · November 2015

No - State Why

CrowsDescend wrote: »

kuscoe wrote: »

Ludof wrote: »

This is Elder Scrolls Online not Elder Siege Online.
If you like playing the whole game with siege weapon because they hit so hard then this is not the game for you.
Siege Weapon hitting harder will just help zergs ; if you don't believe me i can give you an example:
PC-EU Server Trueflame Campaign at 21 (GMT +1) there is just 1 EP group against all blue zerg, last night we beat them several times without even using 1 Siege Weapon (while blue Zerg kept on using Fire Balistas and Meatbag);in the end they won after stacking 5 siege weapons.

Therefore anyone who wrote "yes"in the poll please explain here why this should help organised groups more than zergs.

Meantime I link here a video (when siege weapon used to hit so hard):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBXOO1LctAo

There is no helping this thead

Well to be honest, talking to you and the others who disagree, is like trying to get through to a cabbage. Just saying.

Its like that saying "They dont know what they want" you all say you want buffed siege damage but none of you are actually thinking of the consequences all I am seeing is banter about how "this is a *** siege weapong and you cant escape it"

Heres a point unrelevent to PvP but relevant to the discussion... Casuals complained SOOO *** hard about how the damage in the new dungeons was to high and I do think it was uneccasarily high in the begining due to so much different sources of damage all the devs have done is nerf the damage and are nerfing even more AS WE SPEAK because people cant handle it so even if you wanted seige to do more damage people would complain and it would eventually get nerfed

Wheres my video bro?