Frawr wrote: »

Siege needs to be stronger.

It appears as though ZOS has accidentally made the Battle Spirit buff also reduce siege by 50%.

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I think that siege needs to do 2 things:

- ignore battle spirit
- ignore AOE cap.

I also think that purge cost needs to increase because it is just too cheap now with CPs and has become a spammable ability.

This in order to give some chance to few against many of defending a keep.

Thanks

Couldn't agree any more, right there.

They must ignore battle spirit and AOE cap to be effective once again.

Traditionally, when you launch a flaming boulder at someone, it does a good bit of damage. It should really be this way in ESO, as well.

kuscoe wrote: »

Buff it?? Why if you dont purge oils you will die... if you dont purge fire siege you will die this is what makes tower farms so insanely lucrative at times

Why's that a bad thing? there's now red circles showing where Oil and Coldharbor lands.

Their intention is to kill you. Purge/Avoidance/Defensives/Heals/Siege Shield are there for a reason, too.

Tower farms were never hard to counter. Knock down the tower, sneak in with mist form and rapid maneuvers, run upstairs, drop 2 flaming oil down OR just leave the tower alone so they get bored.

CrowsDescend wrote: »

kuscoe wrote: »

Buff it?? Why if you dont purge oils you will die... if you dont purge fire siege you will die this is what makes tower farms so insanely lucrative at times

Why's that a bad thing? there's now red circles showing where Oil and Coldharbor lands.

Their intention is to kill you. Purge/Avoidance/Defensives/Heals/Siege Shield are there for a reason, too.

Tower farms were never hard to counter. Knock down the tower, sneak in with mist form and rapid maneuvers, run upstairs, drop 2 flaming oil down OR just leave the tower alone so they get bored.

This, there are so many counters to sieges any way from the alliance war skill line. Maybe Cyrodiil would be a more interesting place if people had to use those counters rather than just be able to tank sieges with their 1vX builds.

Also want to agree with others on the AoE cap. My guild quite often use our signature tactic of "Rob'ing a keep" (named after -Rob who started using it most) which is the corner tower, three siege turtle tactic. It's a slow siege but mostly unkillable unless your enemies come out in force to remove you from the tower.

This is in part due to the fact that with everyone stacked AoE caps make healing through it easy. Additionally with the now nerfed damage on sieges we can do this without even needing a siege bubble. I remember the days when sieges actually have bubbles everywhere because it was the only way to protect your siege from the focused fire counter siege... can we have that back please?

Also while we're talking about siege can we make oil pot catapult, scatter shot, lightning ballista and ice ball trebs worth using? Give them more interesting debuffs or harder to counter than a simple rapid menouver cast.

Basically what I am getting from this thread is that all of you voting yes just want siege to one shot people because ermhagerd im hurling a giant rock at you

this would make defending keeps insanely easy and killing players evern easier then it is already...

kuscoe wrote: »

Basically what I am getting from this thread is that all of you voting yes just want siege to one shot people because ermhagerd im hurling a giant rock at you

this would make defending keeps insanely easy and killing players evern easier then it is already...

Or... people could learn to dodge red circles and maybe start using that skill which has the sole purpose of lowering siege damage... or that armour set that reduces siege damage... or any of the other things people survived with before battle spirit went and ruined sieges again.

Turelus wrote: »

kuscoe wrote: »

Basically what I am getting from this thread is that all of you voting yes just want siege to one shot people because ermhagerd im hurling a giant rock at you

this would make defending keeps insanely easy and killing players evern easier then it is already...

Or... people could learn to dodge red circles and maybe start using that skill which has the sole purpose of lowering siege damage... or that armour set that reduces siege damage... or any of the other things people survived with before battle spirit went and ruined sieges again.

I nor anyone I know has ever worn a gear set specifically for reducing siege damage nor would any player with half a brain

its player versus player not siege versus siege

I hit someone with a ballista bolt: a siege engine that launches huge bolts around, needs a big engine to fire it - does a bit of damage.

I hit the same person with snipe on my bow: a small engine that launches small projectiles a short distance - does big damage.

With AOE caps I can slightly damage 5 player maximum in a zerg. They don't even have to move away because they can heal faster than the ballista can reload just using Vigor.

I can put more snipes in from my bow and hit harder with it, kill more people, than a huge engine that takes time and space to set up and use. What good is a ballista anymore?

ZOS are making things in their own game redundant.

imredneckson wrote: »

Siege need to be stronger to help break up zergs, defend keeps, and kill players like they use to

I would also like to see actions taken to prevent endless purge spam (perhaps increasing costs similar to Bolt Escape if people keep mashing the button over and over).

Ludof wrote: »

This is Elder Scrolls Online not Elder Siege Online.
If you like playing the whole game with siege weapon because they hit so hard then this is not the game for you.
Siege Weapon hitting harder will just help zergs ; if you don't believe me i can give you an example:
PC-EU Server Trueflame Campaign at 21 (GMT +1) there is just 1 EP group against all blue zerg, last night we beat them several times without even using 1 Siege Weapon (while blue Zerg kept on using Fire Balistas and Meatbag);in the end they won after stacking 5 siege weapons.

Therefore anyone who wrote "yes"in the poll please explain here why this should help organised groups more than zergs.

Meantime I link here a video (when siege weapon used to hit so hard):

I want to drop a fire ballista on that little ball and have them burn baby burn.

Increasing damage would mean people would have to play, you know move away from the little red circles that indicate a siege weapon is inbound. Players used to do that. It used to be fun because you could break up an attacking zerg. Now you have no chance, unless you have weight of numbers on your side. How do you counter numbers now? Have a bigger zerg. I don't want to take the skill away by one shotting people (I find its boring and not very skillful), I just want a way to counter zerg without having to make a bigger zerg.

Increase base dmg about 10% and make the dmg reduction ignored by seige. Stand in a vat of burning oil? you should die. Large rock slamming into you at high speed? Die.

notimetocare wrote: »

kuscoe wrote: »

Buff it?? Why if you dont purge oils you will die... if you dont purge fire siege you will die this is what makes tower farms so insanely lucrative at times

OR you can avoid siege. OR people can stop being stupid and camp a resource while people are camping inside. In short, OR people can learn how to play.

Did you just L2P me? LOL

Why avoid it when I can purge it?

Why am I stupid for trying to take down a tower farm? afaik thats where the AP is and typically there is no lag because you dont tower farm with 24+ people -______-

You tried to mock me with your "ors" but it was just bad and hard to read

Completely one sided poll on something vast majority agrees on? You can pretty much bet ZOS going to ingore.

FuzzyDuck79 wrote: »

kuscoe wrote: »

notimetocare wrote: »

kuscoe wrote: »

Buff it?? Why if you dont purge oils you will die... if you dont purge fire siege you will die this is what makes tower farms so insanely lucrative at times

OR you can avoid siege. OR people can stop being stupid and camp a resource while people are camping inside. In short, OR people can learn how to play.

Did you just L2P me? LOL

Why avoid it when I can purge it?

Why am I stupid for trying to take down a tower farm? afaik thats where the AP is and typically there is no lag because you dont tower farm with 24+ people -______-

You tried to mock me with your "ors" but it was just bad and hard to read

Exactly the point. You just said it yourself... Why avoid it when I can purge it? (why play when I have a 1 hit fix?) So zerg just stand around with their 1 hit fix and ignore siege weapons. While you're spamming purge the guy next to you is doing what? What great input does he have to the fight besides being a number? All he has to do is turn up.

Ok

Um

its been said before in this thread

this is not elder siege online

player vs player

any player will die to siege in 2-3 seconds if they do not counteract it there is no need to buff it

also apart from like disease siege or whatever do you really think the devs intended us to shoot fire ballistas at each other and have fun?

I play my character in pvp not some simple ass siege weapon