Ezareth wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Yeah I feel you man. The zerging has just straight up killed small scale. I get a few good fights on my sorc in Cyrodiil last night but most of the time it usually ends up with a nice 1 v 1 to 1 v 3 turning into a 1 v 6+ zerging me down. It's not like I'm sieging keeps or doing anything other than waiting outside (never in stealth) in the middle of the battle lanes looking for some fun / fair PvP action. I've literally had entire raids run me down. Or you end up fighting 1 member of the raid, which turns into 3 members of the raid, you get the upper hand and the entire damn raid comes back to zerg you down. Just stupid. If you're in a PvP group and you see 3 people in your group fighting 1 person let them kill him or die to him, don't just pile on. That's the main reason small group players have a tendency to disdain large group PvPers.

This is exactly what happens. I was finally having a 1v1, then the opponents friends/group members surrounded me watching the fight. I was like cool, this is happening, finally a fair fight. He got low health and 1 other jumped in. I'm fine with that. Then the rest piled in after him.
If you're in a large group against one person, make it interesting and come in small waves. Where's the fun in rolling them over when you can do that at keeps? The only person I've seen honour this was the EP emperor at the time. I accidentally ambushed him on his horse without realising and he stood there while I fought his group. Because hell, I'd have no chance if the Emperor had jumped in as well xD
I'm not saying you need to let friends die, but you don't need to gang bang a solo PvPer then pat each other on the back afterwards.

Yeah I ran into a good group of DC who didn't zerg me down the other night as well. I jumped their group solo while they were sieging a keep and the Emperor peeled off of the group and fought me while the rest of raid continued sieging. I was impressed to find a group of large scale AvAers that understood I was just another player trying to find some fun while providing them with entertainment as well while they were sieging down walls.

When I run in groups, if I see 2 or 3 people in our group peel off after another single player I let them go because I know just how fun that can be. There is no fun for anyone involved with 6 players zerging down a solo player. Even 3 players is overkill for all but the best players.

eliisra wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Yeah I feel you man. The zerging has just straight up killed small scale. I get a few good fights on my sorc in Cyrodiil last night but most of the time it usually ends up with a nice 1 v 1 to 1 v 3 turning into a 1 v 6+ zerging me down. It's not like I'm sieging keeps or doing anything other than waiting outside (never in stealth) in the middle of the battle lanes looking for some fun / fair PvP action. I've literally had entire raids run me down. Or you end up fighting 1 member of the raid, which turns into 3 members of the raid, you get the upper hand and the entire damn raid comes back to zerg you down. Just stupid. If you're in a PvP group and you see 3 people in your group fighting 1 person let them kill him or die to him, don't just pile on. That's the main reason small group players have a tendency to disdain large group PvPers.

Because that one member of a raid you're trying to get honourable PvP from isn't using a 1v1/solo build. Half his bar is most likely support and AoE, no self sustain, lacking single target. Standrad zergs v.s. zerg setup. So he naturally goes "gaaaaaaaaaaaanked help" in TS totally panicking because scary NB or sorc "ON ME help". All his buddies pours out of the keep to save him, since he cant burn you down with siege shield, AoE and purge.

Another reason why we need arenas or similar. In fights with premade numbers, everyone is built for the same type of combat, everyone is there for the same reason. If you roam around today looking for good 1v1 or small scale,majority of your encounters will be lost zerglings trying to catch up to zerg or NB's in sneak looking for mounted players or vamps to jump. Neither will give you upfront fighting, they're not interested in that "playstyle". If you let them change skills + gear first maybe, but probably not.

I'm not looking for 1 v 1s in "honorable" combat against some poor player in a support build. I'm a 1 vXer. I have no problem with 2 or 3 good players going after me with everything they got. If they're good they should and will win no matter what their builds are. All I'm saying is don't send the whole damn raid after me. I've literally had 20 people ride me down on horseback recently down a path that completely out of the way of any objectives. That's the mentality that needs to stop and it isn't helping the health of the game.

You mean zergs chasing down 2 or 3 folks like this ? : https://youtu.be/0VPNqAUp4F8?t=6m7s

Etaniel wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Yeah I feel you man. The zerging has just straight up killed small scale. I get a few good fights on my sorc in Cyrodiil last night but most of the time it usually ends up with a nice 1 v 1 to 1 v 3 turning into a 1 v 6+ zerging me down. It's not like I'm sieging keeps or doing anything other than waiting outside (never in stealth) in the middle of the battle lanes looking for some fun / fair PvP action. I've literally had entire raids run me down. Or you end up fighting 1 member of the raid, which turns into 3 members of the raid, you get the upper hand and the entire damn raid comes back to zerg you down. Just stupid. If you're in a PvP group and you see 3 people in your group fighting 1 person let them kill him or die to him, don't just pile on. That's the main reason small group players have a tendency to disdain large group PvPers.

This is exactly what happens. I was finally having a 1v1, then the opponents friends/group members surrounded me watching the fight. I was like cool, this is happening, finally a fair fight. He got low health and 1 other jumped in. I'm fine with that. Then the rest piled in after him.
If you're in a large group against one person, make it interesting and come in small waves. Where's the fun in rolling them over when you can do that at keeps? The only person I've seen honour this was the EP emperor at the time. I accidentally ambushed him on his horse without realising and he stood there while I fought his group. Because hell, I'd have no chance if the Emperor had jumped in as well xD
I'm not saying you need to let friends die, but you don't need to gang bang a solo PvPer then pat each other on the back afterwards.

Yeah I ran into a good group of DC who didn't zerg me down the other night as well. I jumped their group solo while they were sieging a keep and the Emperor peeled off of the group and fought me while the rest of raid continued sieging. I was impressed to find a group of large scale AvAers that understood I was just another player trying to find some fun while providing them with entertainment as well while they were sieging down walls.

When I run in groups, if I see 2 or 3 people in our group peel off after another single player I let them go because I know just how fun that can be. There is no fun for anyone involved with 6 players zerging down a solo player. Even 3 players is overkill for all but the best players.

eliisra wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Yeah I feel you man. The zerging has just straight up killed small scale. I get a few good fights on my sorc in Cyrodiil last night but most of the time it usually ends up with a nice 1 v 1 to 1 v 3 turning into a 1 v 6+ zerging me down. It's not like I'm sieging keeps or doing anything other than waiting outside (never in stealth) in the middle of the battle lanes looking for some fun / fair PvP action. I've literally had entire raids run me down. Or you end up fighting 1 member of the raid, which turns into 3 members of the raid, you get the upper hand and the entire damn raid comes back to zerg you down. Just stupid. If you're in a PvP group and you see 3 people in your group fighting 1 person let them kill him or die to him, don't just pile on. That's the main reason small group players have a tendency to disdain large group PvPers.

Because that one member of a raid you're trying to get honourable PvP from isn't using a 1v1/solo build. Half his bar is most likely support and AoE, no self sustain, lacking single target. Standrad zergs v.s. zerg setup. So he naturally goes "gaaaaaaaaaaaanked help" in TS totally panicking because scary NB or sorc "ON ME help". All his buddies pours out of the keep to save him, since he cant burn you down with siege shield, AoE and purge.

Another reason why we need arenas or similar. In fights with premade numbers, everyone is built for the same type of combat, everyone is there for the same reason. If you roam around today looking for good 1v1 or small scale,majority of your encounters will be lost zerglings trying to catch up to zerg or NB's in sneak looking for mounted players or vamps to jump. Neither will give you upfront fighting, they're not interested in that "playstyle". If you let them change skills + gear first maybe, but probably not.

I'm not looking for 1 v 1s in "honorable" combat against some poor player in a support build. I'm a 1 vXer. I have no problem with 2 or 3 good players going after me with everything they got. If they're good they should and will win no matter what their builds are. All I'm saying is don't send the whole damn raid after me. I've literally had 20 people ride me down on horseback recently down a path that completely out of the way of any objectives. That's the mentality that needs to stop and it isn't helping the health of the game.

You mean zergs chasing down 2 or 3 folks like this ? : https://youtu.be/0VPNqAUp4F8?t=6m7s

Brah... git gud

Minno wrote: »

The highest honor to be given to those that can win fights against 3 top players; its not easy and you die alot.

Depending on what we mean by "top players", it's impossible to win such 1v3. It's self contradictory too, if they can lose 3v1 then they surely are not top players.

All forms of 1vX require inferior players on the X side to get picked apart 1 by 1 by the better player.

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

I'm not looking for 1 v 1s in "honorable" combat against some poor player in a support build. I'm a 1 vXer. I have no problem with 2 or 3 good players going after me with everything they got. If they're good they should and will win no matter what their builds are. All I'm saying is don't send the whole damn raid after me. I've literally had 20 people ride me down on horseback recently down a path that completely out of the way of any objectives. That's the mentality that needs to stop and it isn't helping the health of the game.

Etaniel wrote: »

You mean zergs chasing down 2 or 3 folks like this ?

Call me weird but I always have a good laugh when that (like in the video) happens. If they proceed to teabag me, I enjoy it even more (sounds dodgy, I know). It means I really, really pissed them off somehow.

Now if it's also followed by some whisper hate then I'm like....

Yeah it can be fun but trust me it gets old these days, especially since most of the time I PvP I have to literally ride 5 minutes on horseback just to get to a spot where I can get zerged down again. In my glory days I've literally had a raid of 40-50 players on horseback chasing me around the map and I'd lead them on a jolly chase until they eventually caught me or gave up. At least then I had a sporting chance to get away. Now that they've clipped my wings, I can manage a few hops and skips and it's over. There is no sporting and I have no chance to escape. Just a quick death and a long run back to repeat it.

Back in the day you'd often find solo or small groups roaming around that you could fight. There was an entire subset of players who loved "small scale" PvP who ran around looking for that kind of combat. They usually stayed away from keep sieges and stuck to choke points or highly travelled areas. And no I'm not talking about stealth gank squads (although even those have become more scarece). It's just like the entirety of Cyrodiil has been sucked into a zerg somewhere or just quit playing. I feel like Mad Max roaming the wasteland these days and it sucks...

BossTuggles wrote: »

You can tell the level of professionalism in this podcast when the hosts are doing this sort of thing. You show your audience common decency, or else the whole production is a farce.

This podcast is not made by professionals its by people who play and enjoy the game. It is a few of ZOS' customers.
But hey my viewpoint is entirely disregarded because I am a "fanboy". What would you have them do to make this podcast? Would you rather them record it and not broadcast it live over twitch? If they did that they would assuredly lose a lot of viewers/listeners. In no way defending people giving Crown a hard time but come on its the internet. I could say that Greek Yogurt is for wusses and I am sure in two posts I will be called a nancy and be asked do you even lift bro?

Not professionals?
None of them make money streaming or get donations of any kind? Didn't know that.

But seriously, you don't have to be a pro to act like a pro. They talk a big game with their "c'mon man's" and all that crap, telling people how you have to act. So they know they should be acting like professionals, they just aren't.

xaraan wrote: »

Xeven wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

I've literally had 20 people ride me down on horseback recently down a path that completely out of the way of any objectives. That's the mentality that needs to stop and it isn't helping the health of the game.

20 people means they are just straight up rage targeting you. 4-6 players riding you down can be fun because most of the time half of them are stuck in combat and you can divide and conquer, or be conquered, but still fun trying.

I guess my point is, whether it be 20 or 6, e-honor only exists in a small subset of the player base. If I see a player I know and respect who is already fighting, I will leave them be. A lot of the time thought, I don't even see their name or rank. I just see DC, AD, EP, and that's something I need to work on.

Very Very Very small subset. Even upon "top" player/guilds. Had guild members of one of the guests from last show teabagging me after chasing me down with their whole 20 man+ raid b/c our nine players were harassing them. Do I mind that they finally decided to go after us with numbers b/c we kept jumping in their fights? No. (And I know they would lose the fight if they didn't outnumber us) But the way they act when it takes half a dozen plus to kill a single player is sad. One minute one member does something that makes me have some respect, then another snatches it away.

Might as well just spell it out that your calling out Haxus :P don't beat around the bush.

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

The highest honor to be given to those that can win fights against 3 top players; its not easy and you die alot.

Depending on what we mean by "top players", it's impossible to win such 1v3. It's self contradictory too, if they can lose 3v1 then they surely are not top players.

All forms of 1vX require inferior players on the X side to get picked apart 1 by 1 by the better player.

At that point it's semantics.

Challenging is a better word than impossible; if you faced against 2 other opponents, your ability to win would based on your knowledge of their build versus ours. That's not inferior to admit defeat at that level, since mistakes happen. It's inferior to say " oh well I guess I need to bring 10 more buddies to help" when the proper response should be "how did those builds beat mine? Is it me or my gear or my playatyle?".

What you gain, is how each player reacts to you and your playstyle. The honor comes from learning that. That makes you a top player, experienced and not green; because you can now properly theorcraft to your playstyle instead of relying on cookie builds.

Your mistaken, all forms of 1vx require that player to turn 10-15 at once into 2-3 at once. That's the core philosophy of it; make them fight on your terms and outlast them. Your only an inferior player if you stop trying to learn why that one person was able to kite you alone or why their build works against you.

Takllin wrote: »

xaraan wrote: »

Takllin wrote: »

xaraan wrote: »

Xeven wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

I've literally had 20 people ride me down on horseback recently down a path that completely out of the way of any objectives. That's the mentality that needs to stop and it isn't helping the health of the game.

20 people means they are just straight up rage targeting you. 4-6 players riding you down can be fun because most of the time half of them are stuck in combat and you can divide and conquer, or be conquered, but still fun trying.

I guess my point is, whether it be 20 or 6, e-honor only exists in a small subset of the player base. If I see a player I know and respect who is already fighting, I will leave them be. A lot of the time thought, I don't even see their name or rank. I just see DC, AD, EP, and that's something I need to work on.

Very Very Very small subset. Even upon "top" player/guilds. Had guild members of one of the guests from last show teabagging me after chasing me down with their whole 20 man+ raid b/c our nine players were harassing them. Do I mind that they finally decided to go after us with numbers b/c we kept jumping in their fights? No. (And I know they would lose the fight if they didn't outnumber us) But the way they act when it takes half a dozen plus to kill a single player is sad. One minute one member does something that makes me have some respect, then another snatches it away.

Might as well just spell it out that your calling out Haxus :P don't beat around the bush.

Shhh, no names.

I mean anyone with half a brain would figure that you are calling them out, why not just say it? Your the same alliance/guild as Crown, and the only other guest/person who even runs in more than 8 people on a regular basis is Jules who is part of Haxus.

If your going to call them out, call em out.

I'm kidding about the 'shhh' I'm pretty sure anyone who needs to know would know what I'm talking about.

Just seen more behavior like this since the departure of some of their old members/leaders and guild reforming. It's just unfortunate when it's someone worth fighting acting like that.

Sypher wrote: »

Yonkit wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

What do you hope to accomplish?

A more complete and thorough method of identifying low level players and finding ways of killing them in the most ridiculous fashion for stream views?

yeah because asking ZOS to isolate a majority of their player base so we can 1vX the masses easier is the best way to get our points across to them.

Don't be so naive. We spoke on topics that affect everyone and are trying to guide the game in a better direction.

Decibel used to meet with ZoS in TS, each time we did we had about 10 pages of what the main problems were and possible solutions, Zeni ignored most of the solutions we gave them and continued to make the game worse. We weren't the only PvP guild they met with either, but they pretty much ignored everyone.

If you ever have a meeting with Zeni all they want to hear is "Oh the game is perfect in every way, keep making it better (worse) and make more PvE updates pls"

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

The highest honor to be given to those that can win fights against 3 top players; its not easy and you die alot.

Depending on what we mean by "top players", it's impossible to win such 1v3. It's self contradictory too, if they can lose 3v1 then they surely are not top players.

All forms of 1vX require inferior players on the X side to get picked apart 1 by 1 by the better player.

Generally that is true.

It still exists in the realm of possibility under certain circumstances for a single player to kill mulitiple equally skilled players depending on CP disparity, classes used and the builds of the players. You can often get the jump on a skilled player, catch them at a bad moment and kill them with relative ease compared to trying to fight them when they are prepared. One time I remember Sypher, Sabre Ali and AoE BBQ all 3 jumped me back in 1.5 and I kited all 3 around Roebeck and with the assistance of the guards they pulled while chasing me killed all 3. Conversely I remember chasing Fixate around a rock with 5 other players and he reflected my overload at the exact moment my shield went down and followed it with a leap which instagibbed me and then killed the other 5 players over the next few minutes. It can happen but I agree you don't see skilled 1vXers trying to take on multiple highly skilled players if they can help it. If I saw AoE BBQ, Sypher and Sabre sitting on their horses I'm sure as hell not going to try to jump them because I know I have next to zero chance of success.

Minno wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

The highest honor to be given to those that can win fights against 3 top players; its not easy and you die alot.

Depending on what we mean by "top players", it's impossible to win such 1v3. It's self contradictory too, if they can lose 3v1 then they surely are not top players.

All forms of 1vX require inferior players on the X side to get picked apart 1 by 1 by the better player.

At that point it's semantics.

Challenging is a better word than impossible; if you faced against 2 other opponents, your ability to win would based on your knowledge of their build versus ours. That's not inferior to admit defeat at that level, since mistakes happen. It's inferior to say " oh well I guess I need to bring 10 more buddies to help" when the proper response should be "how did those builds beat mine? Is it me or my gear or my playatyle?".

What you gain, is how each player reacts to you and your playstyle. The honor comes from learning that. That makes you a top player, experienced and not green; because you can now properly theorcraft to your playstyle instead of relying on cookie builds.

Your mistaken, all forms of 1vx require that player to turn 10-15 at once into 2-3 at once. That's the core philosophy of it; make them fight on your terms and outlast them. Your only an inferior player if you stop trying to learn why that one person was able to kite you alone or why their build works against you.

Agree. The point of 1vX is simply to fight when outnumbered and be challenged but still have a chance of success. I don't like stomping solo pugs and it's pretty often that I'll see a player with a low rank that I attack who just stands there and holds block, if he doesn't end up 2-shotted I'll usually just stop and leave them alone because there is no sport in killing defenseless people with no interest in defending themselves.

Huckdabuck wrote: »

Takllin wrote: »

xaraan wrote: »

Xeven wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

I've literally had 20 people ride me down on horseback recently down a path that completely out of the way of any objectives. That's the mentality that needs to stop and it isn't helping the health of the game.

20 people means they are just straight up rage targeting you. 4-6 players riding you down can be fun because most of the time half of them are stuck in combat and you can divide and conquer, or be conquered, but still fun trying.

I guess my point is, whether it be 20 or 6, e-honor only exists in a small subset of the player base. If I see a player I know and respect who is already fighting, I will leave them be. A lot of the time thought, I don't even see their name or rank. I just see DC, AD, EP, and that's something I need to work on.

Very Very Very small subset. Even upon "top" player/guilds. Had guild members of one of the guests from last show teabagging me after chasing me down with their whole 20 man+ raid b/c our nine players were harassing them. Do I mind that they finally decided to go after us with numbers b/c we kept jumping in their fights? No. (And I know they would lose the fight if they didn't outnumber us) But the way they act when it takes half a dozen plus to kill a single player is sad. One minute one member does something that makes me have some respect, then another snatches it away.

Might as well just spell it out that your calling out Haxus :P don't beat around the bush.

Such an ugly green orcses you is!

#sorrynotsorry

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

I've literally had 20 people ride me down on horseback recently down a path that completely out of the way of any objectives. That's the mentality that needs to stop and it isn't helping the health of the game.

I'm just as much in favor of curbing the zerg's power as anyone else, but this is kind of a silly complaint. Cyrodiil is designed for large group combat and making the choice to go at it solo just means that you will inevitably run into groups that will zerg you down. This is the nature of ESO's PvP and has absolutely nothing to do with some kind of mentality that is supposedly bad.

And to be honest, sometimes it's just fun to choo choo over some loner, it feels like payback!

Kinda agree, sorry EZ
You run a gank guild, and you hunt and kill players running mostly group builds. Your advantage is your 1v1 or 1vX build, meant to single target people down, and you use it ruthlessly on group players; their advantage is their numbers, and they will use that advantage against you just as mercilessly. Makes sense to me.
I think a lot of solo or very small group players seem to feel it's unfair for large groups to target them, a go-pick-on-someone-your-own-size kind of thing. But I guess I would say the same to you. You're generally not ganking players of your own caliber, with a 1v1 build that could counter yours. I've seen the solo and 1vx videos, and they're very seldom duels between evenly matched players.

Ezareth wrote: »

Winnamine wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

I've literally had 20 people ride me down on horseback recently down a path that completely out of the way of any objectives. That's the mentality that needs to stop and it isn't helping the health of the game.

I'm just as much in favor of curbing the zerg's power as anyone else, but this is kind of a silly complaint. Cyrodiil is designed for large group combat and making the choice to go at it solo just means that you will inevitably run into groups that will zerg you down. This is the nature of ESO's PvP and has absolutely nothing to do with some kind of mentality that is supposedly bad.

And to be honest, sometimes it's just fun to choo choo over some loner, it feels like payback!

Kinda agree, sorry EZ
You run a gank guild, and you hunt and kill players running mostly group builds. Your advantage is your 1v1 or 1vX build, meant to single target people down, and you use it ruthlessly on group players; their advantage is their numbers, and they will use that advantage against you just as mercilessly. Makes sense to me.
I think a lot of solo or very small group players seem to feel it's unfair for large groups to target them, a go-pick-on-someone-your-own-size kind of thing. But I guess I would say the same to you. You're generally not ganking players of your own caliber, with a 1v1 build that could counter yours. I've seen the solo and 1vx videos, and they're very seldom duels between evenly matched players.

@Winnamine

A Gank build! I do not...I don't even stealth! 95% of the time I engage my opponent they see me before they are attacked and get a chance to respond.

My group build isn't much different than my 1vX build. Swap in negate for one of my overloads, purge instead of lightning form, I'm 95% as effective as I am in my 1vX.

My advantage has never been in taking out group zergball players. I almost exclusively avoid those players for the reasons mentioned above unless I see friendlies attacking them as well and then I'll try my hand at the melee even though it's almost certainly going to end in my death.

My favorite players to take out are stealth gank squads (killed a group 4 of stealth nightblade ambush-spammers a couple nights ago that felt pretty good) or holding a reinforcement line against a keep being sieged by my side which usually ends up leading to good 1 v X unless a Zerg-train arrives late to the party. If I see small man group full of skilled players I'll also try my hand at them as well even though that is almost certain death as those guys are usually the most skilled players I'll find in the wild. The thing I enjoy most in the game is fighting players who have a better chance to kill me than I have to kill them. The rewarding part is where you win when 9 times out of 10 you wouldn't have. When you fail, you determine why, make adjustments and improve. When 20 people spend a good minute out of the their destination path to zerg you down the only thing you learn is you should be Zerg-balling or GTFO of Cyrodiil. That's pretty much the theme of this entire thread I think.

You're still mad that I killed you on that ballista arent you :P~

Ohhh yes. And you did it from stealth you filthy-ganking-ballista-stalking-nightblade!

This is why I don't siege

Ezareth wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

And to be honest, sometimes it's just fun to choo choo over some loner, it feels like payback!

Some people like to pull the wings off of flys for fun too. Never really saw the point in that sort of thing.

Winnamine wrote: »

Ohhh yes. And you did it from stealth you filthy-ganking-ballista-stalking-nightblade!

You were on the bloody second bloody floor of a *keep*! I ran up the stairs while you were surrounded by your friends and targeted the largest threat in the area....the person who was on the fire ballista pointing down the steps!

If I'm actually trying to defend a keep assault against a large group then I will open up from stealth on my nightblade.

...And I owed you for that Jesus beam when WRX dragon leaped me while God knows how many other members of your team had the situation well in hand. That Jesus Beam burned out the last shred of innocence from my little nightblade heart. It so black and shriveled now that I almost considered equipping my Shield breaker set!

You wouldn't!

My thoughts on episode 2:

I sooo appreciate all of u guys doing this but comments about zos not responding to feedback iare not fair. I think generally I guys do good at getting your points across but in thus case the convo turned kinda belligerent. It makes it hard for zos to respond when the tone of the podcast is not civil.

It's not their job to respond instantaneously to all of the suggestions we come up with in our nerd circle jerk. It's only been a few weeks since ur first podcast! I'm sure they've heard your suggestions and personally I prefer they put their nose to the grindstone than spend even more time communicating to the player base, as no amount of communication will ever satisfy us.

I agree w some people who think arenas / duels will diminish the pvp community. I put this request in the same category as those who requested that there be no gated access to IC - a request that seems totally reasonable but one that the devs know will have a detrimental impact to the function of the world they created.

Zos please don't cave to this demand of arenas - just focus on addressing some of the great meta suggestions these community leaders have brought up. Remove aoe caps, create more incentives for small groups and generally focus on making our large scale pvp system work.

Lastly, I would like to hear from more raid leaders in the future as raid pvp is an intricate and complex art that should be admired, especially after issues like aoe caps are addressed. I'm not kidding guys large coordinated groups are super freaking cool - I understand where the hate comes from though but that will diminish when small groups are able to bomb them more easily.

Those are my thoughts that come with tons of respect for all of u on the podcast, and everyone else commenting here. Ty for your thought and intention.