PvP Podcast (Episode 7 Uploaded)

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HighT3chR3dn3ck

All I have to say is if you're not participating in the Alliance War and you're just looking for duels, then you really shouldn't have much of an opinion on the direction the Alliance War takes. "I can't remember the last time I sieged a keep." - King Richard

Are you kidding me? That's what a "top? PvPer is? Give me a break. Just have them put in an Arena system. 1v1, 2v2, 2v1, and stay the hell out of Cyrodiil for those of us THAT ACTUALLY ENJOY the alliance war. I've put 1000+ hours into this game, which is only a fraction of time for the "elite" players, but I always find myself wanting more alliance war with bigger battles. They are just fun.

If you want "skilled based combat" then what you really should be pushing for is a removal of the leveling, champion, unique weapons and armor, enchantments. Etc... or you could just go play an FPS which solely based on twitch, which sounds like you all want.

In fact, I would say, in my humble opinion, that big battles are MORE skilled based than dueling. There is so much more going on that you have to be aware of, and it takes so much more teamwork and coordination. WAY MORE SKILL.

I just turned the podcast off after that statement. Simple fixes.

Two simple fixes and everyone is happy
1. IC Should be it's own zone/server
2. A literal Arena where players can duel 1v1, 2v2, 2v1, whatever.

P.S. The other major contributing factor to turning off the podcast is that ya'll are REAL boring. No life, no passion, no love for the game that I could decipher. Just trying to make a couple bucks off of what you hope is god worship.

hammayolettuce

HighT3chR3dn3ck wrote: »

All I have to say is if you're not participating in the Alliance War and you're just looking for duels, then you really shouldn't have much of an opinion on the direction the Alliance War takes. "I can't remember the last time I sieged a keep." - King Richard

Are you kidding me? That's what a "top? PvPer is? Give me a break. Just have them put in an Arena system. 1v1, 2v2, 2v1, and stay the hell out of Cyrodiil for those of us THAT ACTUALLY ENJOY the alliance war. I've put 1000+ hours into this game, which is only a fraction of time for the "elite" players, but I always find myself wanting more alliance war with bigger battles. They are just fun.

If you want "skilled based combat" then what you really should be pushing for is a removal of the leveling, champion, unique weapons and armor, enchantments. Etc... or you could just go play an FPS which solely based on twitch, which sounds like you all want.

In fact, I would say, in my humble opinion, that big battles are MORE skilled based than dueling. There is so much more going on that you have to be aware of, and it takes so much more teamwork and coordination. WAY MORE SKILL.

I just turned the podcast off after that statement. Simple fixes.

Two simple fixes and everyone is happy
1. IC Should be it's own zone/server
2. A literal Arena where players can duel 1v1, 2v2, 2v1, whatever.

P.S. The other major contributing factor to turning off the podcast is that ya'll are REAL boring.

I bolded the section i found the most lolz worthy. You do realize that once a group reaches over 12 players that the amount of being penalized for mistakes decreases drastically for each player you add to the group. The is no real skill involved in the new meta of ball groups. Stick to crown, keep up buffs, drop ulties when called.

Pre 1.6 the elite groups of 8-16 were able to wipe 2-3x there numbers consistently and not be balled tight on crown. They were just in the same vicinity and putting in actual work. With the changes to dynamic ultie, AoE caps, Reduced dmg, and honestly no real incentive to not mash 24 people in the same tiny pixel things wont get better in pvp.

If they could just do a modified mix of 1.6 and 1.5 with no AoE caps and adjusting some skills accordingly (cost increase, range decrease, etc.) pvp as a whole would be 100% better.

Currently those "More Skilled" players you speak of do not get punished one bit for balling up the way they do. Unless you count the lag created from it as a punishment.

GRxKnight

hammayolettuce wrote: »

HighT3chR3dn3ck wrote: »

All I have to say is if you're not participating in the Alliance War and you're just looking for duels, then you really shouldn't have much of an opinion on the direction the Alliance War takes. "I can't remember the last time I sieged a keep." - King Richard

Are you kidding me? That's what a "top? PvPer is? Give me a break. Just have them put in an Arena system. 1v1, 2v2, 2v1, and stay the hell out of Cyrodiil for those of us THAT ACTUALLY ENJOY the alliance war. I've put 1000+ hours into this game, which is only a fraction of time for the "elite" players, but I always find myself wanting more alliance war with bigger battles. They are just fun.

If you want "skilled based combat" then what you really should be pushing for is a removal of the leveling, champion, unique weapons and armor, enchantments. Etc... or you could just go play an FPS which solely based on twitch, which sounds like you all want.

In fact, I would say, in my humble opinion, that big battles are MORE skilled based than dueling. There is so much more going on that you have to be aware of, and it takes so much more teamwork and coordination. WAY MORE SKILL.

I just turned the podcast off after that statement. Simple fixes.

Two simple fixes and everyone is happy
1. IC Should be it's own zone/server
2. A literal Arena where players can duel 1v1, 2v2, 2v1, whatever.

P.S. The other major contributing factor to turning off the podcast is that ya'll are REAL boring.

I bolded the section i found the most lolz worthy. You do realize that once a group reaches over 12 players that the amount of being penalized for mistakes decreases drastically for each player you add to the group. The is no real skill involved in the new meta of ball groups. Stick to crown, keep up buffs, drop ulties when called.

Pre 1.6 the elite groups of 8-16 were able to wipe 2-3x there numbers consistently and not be balled tight on crown. They were just in the same vicinity and putting in actual work. With the changes to dynamic ultie, AoE caps, Reduced dmg, and honestly no real incentive to not mash 24 people in the same tiny pixel things wont get better in pvp.

If they could just do a modified mix of 1.6 and 1.5 with no AoE caps and adjusting some skills accordingly (cost increase, range decrease, etc.) pvp as a whole would be 100% better.

Currently those "More Skilled" players you speak of do not get punished one bit for balling up the way they do. Unless you count the lag created from it as a punishment.

Well said...I've found that I've had the most fun running anywhere from 16-20 people in a group while still being efficient enough to take on 2-2.5x our numbers. While it's true that the amount of skill required is an inverse of how many people you have in group, you also have to account for the number of enemies you're going against as well...add more bad guys, more skill is needed to fight them

With regards to doing a modified version of 1.6/1.5 patch for PvP...there are two things from a combat perspective that needs to be addressed...ult generation and AoE caps (shocking right?) I didn't play PvP when AoE caps didn't exist as I didn't want to PvP until I had a max level character and was properly geared and actually knew what the hell I was doing, so I don't really know the state of how PvP would be if we were to get rid of them entirely. Completely removing AoE caps might not be a good thing since prox det is a skill and I can see 4 people wiping 40 just using prox det with everyone taking full damage. Then again it would make the skill ZOS claimed to be a zerg buster ACTUALLY do what it was intended to do, but I still feel like ball group pvp or zerg vs zerg pvp would be whoever gets their prox det off first wins. Maybe instead of damage being mitigated for being grouped up there's a multiplier system in place where, the closer you are to the center of cast, the more damage you take, and it lessens the further you go out until you're at maybe 75% damage at max range...idk just a thought

Dynamic Ultimate Generation need to come back. It's really annoying needing to light attack or heavy attack someone/something just to gain ultimate. I can't tell you how many times I've said in group "hold on let me light attack for a minute to charge my Negate". It's completely stupid. Why can't I just do damage to someone with any skill or any attack or heal anyone in combat and gain ultimate for doing something that I should be doing? Maybe static ult generation would be fine if it wasn't limited to having to light/heavy attack, block, dodge, or heal someone that has done one of those things. Anytime you engage in combat whether it's doing damage, healing someone, blocking attacks, dodging incoming snipes, you gain the static ult gen. IMO that's how it should have been in the first place

VirtualElizabeth

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

VirtualElizabeth wrote: »

Jules wrote: »

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

I didn't watch the whole the whole thing, skipped around and pretty much listened to the Q&A part. Everyone did a nice job even though Jules sounds like she could be a voice actor for a modern Dora The Exploerer. I like how you BS'ed me a long time ago on whisper Jules, during your very short stint on DC. Telling me how you were new to MMOs and didn't know shsnipt. Yet here you are all grown up on the podcast breaking the game down like you awaiting the noble peace prize. Mr. Richard looked like he really didn't care most of the time lol. Sypher was standard Sypher. Lefty Lucy, I don't know what to say other than I hope he's ok. With all the twitching, not able to sit still, and constant sipping of multiple beverages. Fengrush again I think brings his point across with more maturity and emphasis. He knows what he wants to say and can quickly deliver his point with all the required detail without it being cutoff or becoming long winded. So fengrush needs to be on every single one of your podcasts. If you have a podcast discussing what to eat for breakfast, doesn't matter, fengrush needs to be in it.

And now I get to Crown.... I will start by saying for a guy who talked to me about biceps, your brand of yoghurt, and fresh quail egg omelettes your voice lacked the bass and boom I anticipated. But I digress. I'm going to say something probably no one expects me to right now, but I felt bad for Crown. I think whatever was going on in that chat and whatnot got to him and he had an unflattering moment. Naturally I would have lol'ed and within minutes had special forum posts whipped up for every single one of the chat perpetrators.

But I like how crown mentioned frozn. So as a one time gesture to crown (and you better believe one time) I will bestow frozn a new nickname.

Is everyone ready? It's going to blow everyone's mind! Here we go! Frozn's name is from this moment on................ Frozn Yogurt.........! *head explodes*

What the diddly silly!? Foshizzle my nizzle! It's Commander Froyo and his red ant army marching to Ales farm! Get out the cans of Raid!!!

I'm just so torn bc, you called me modern-day Dora the Explorer (LOL) and also posted a gorgeous picture of Julian Edelman. So I'm almost offended, but like, not really even.

Truth is I am new to MMO's, this is my first one. I've just spent a lot of time playing and analyzing it. But thanks for putting me up for the nobel peace prize and for posting Julian. Drool.

I got totally sidetracked regarding the point of the discussion after that picture was posted!!! Or maybe that was the posters intent. LOL

And who might you be? Fixate's former executive assistant at Morrowind Gate?

And for future reference don't ever refer to me as "poster" again. You will address me as THE COVENANT'S SQUINTY EYE

I'll call you whatever I want

Jitterbug

Ezareth wrote: »

I was annoyed by Crown for the entirety of that podcast. I don't know him, never fought him but listening to him was painful because he could never tune down the ego enough to allow a discussion to not be centered around him.

It's hard for me to add anything else new to the discussion really. Without a ZoS presence and any sort of feedback its a divided community inbtheir own echo chamber.

Immaletchufinish, but let's all quickly google the definition of meta first.

Cinnamon_Spider

Jitterbug wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

I was annoyed by Crown for the entirety of that podcast. I don't know him, never fought him but listening to him was painful because he could never tune down the ego enough to allow a discussion to not be centered around him.

It's hard for me to add anything else new to the discussion really. Without a ZoS presence and any sort of feedback its a divided community inbtheir own echo chamber.

Immaletchufinish, but let's all quickly google the definition of meta first.

But what does it mean?????

Cypriot122

@Cinnamon_Spider I heard them introduce Crown and thought about how much everyone loves him straight away! Especially you Not sure why they would get a player like that onto the podcast...

Jaronking

HighT3chR3dn3ck wrote: »

All I have to say is if you're not participating in the Alliance War and you're just looking for duels, then you really shouldn't have much of an opinion on the direction the Alliance War takes. "I can't remember the last time I sieged a keep." - King Richard

Are you kidding me? That's what a "top? PvPer is? Give me a break. Just have them put in an Arena system. 1v1, 2v2, 2v1, and stay the hell out of Cyrodiil for those of us THAT ACTUALLY ENJOY the alliance war. I've put 1000+ hours into this game, which is only a fraction of time for the "elite" players, but I always find myself wanting more alliance war with bigger battles. They are just fun.

If you want "skilled based combat" then what you really should be pushing for is a removal of the leveling, champion, unique weapons and armor, enchantments. Etc... or you could just go play an FPS which solely based on twitch, which sounds like you all want.

In fact, I would say, in my humble opinion, that big battles are MORE skilled based than dueling. There is so much more going on that you have to be aware of, and it takes so much more teamwork and coordination. WAY MORE SKILL.

I just turned the podcast off after that statement. Simple fixes.

Two simple fixes and everyone is happy
1. IC Should be it's own zone/server
2. A literal Arena where players can duel 1v1, 2v2, 2v1, whatever.

P.S. The other major contributing factor to turning off the podcast is that ya'll are REAL boring. No life, no passion, no love for the game that I could decipher. Just trying to make a couple bucks off of what you hope is god worship.

IKilled007

Is this what gamers do in their spare time? Reminisce on a podcast about stuff that happened in their game?

ToRelax

HighT3chR3dn3ck wrote: »

All I have to say is if you're not participating in the Alliance War and you're just looking for duels, then you really shouldn't have much of an opinion on the direction the Alliance War takes. "I can't remember the last time I sieged a keep." - King Richard

Are you kidding me? That's what a "top? PvPer is? Give me a break. Just have them put in an Arena system. 1v1, 2v2, 2v1, and stay the hell out of Cyrodiil for those of us THAT ACTUALLY ENJOY the alliance war. I've put 1000+ hours into this game, which is only a fraction of time for the "elite" players, but I always find myself wanting more alliance war with bigger battles. They are just fun.

If you want "skilled based combat" then what you really should be pushing for is a removal of the leveling, champion, unique weapons and armor, enchantments. Etc... or you could just go play an FPS which solely based on twitch, which sounds like you all want.

In fact, I would say, in my humble opinion, that big battles are MORE skilled based than dueling. There is so much more going on that you have to be aware of, and it takes so much more teamwork and coordination. WAY MORE SKILL.

I just turned the podcast off after that statement. Simple fixes.

Two simple fixes and everyone is happy
1. IC Should be it's own zone/server
2. A literal Arena where players can duel 1v1, 2v2, 2v1, whatever.

P.S. The other major contributing factor to turning off the podcast is that ya'll are REAL boring. No life, no passion, no love for the game that I could decipher. Just trying to make a couple bucks off of what you hope is god worship.

Many players don't participate much in the war effort anymore because their small or spread out group has no place there anymore and they don't enjoy balling up with 20+ other players to spam AoE together (simplified).
You can have as many nuances in there as you want, like you need good organization, timing etc., it doesn't suddenly make that playstyle fun. I've put 1500+ hours into the game since 1.6 hit and still want to go back to sieges and large scale battles.

Olivierko

HighT3chR3dn3ck wrote: »

Two simple fixes and everyone is happy
1. IC Should be it's own zone/server
2. A literal Arena where players can duel 1v1, 2v2, 2v1, whatever.

Dude, IC is on a seperate zone already, afaik all zones run on different(*) servers, it's just a question of where they decided to put IC in the load balancer.

*) servers are most likely reused for multiple zones, judging by my experience, lag in Cyrodiil hasn't affected gameplay in sewers within the same campaign which most likely means that they're running on two different instances.

Darnathian

ToRelax wrote: »

HighT3chR3dn3ck wrote: »

All I have to say is if you're not participating in the Alliance War and you're just looking for duels, then you really shouldn't have much of an opinion on the direction the Alliance War takes. "I can't remember the last time I sieged a keep." - King Richard

Are you kidding me? That's what a "top? PvPer is? Give me a break. Just have them put in an Arena system. 1v1, 2v2, 2v1, and stay the hell out of Cyrodiil for those of us THAT ACTUALLY ENJOY the alliance war. I've put 1000+ hours into this game, which is only a fraction of time for the "elite" players, but I always find myself wanting more alliance war with bigger battles. They are just fun.

If you want "skilled based combat" then what you really should be pushing for is a removal of the leveling, champion, unique weapons and armor, enchantments. Etc... or you could just go play an FPS which solely based on twitch, which sounds like you all want.

In fact, I would say, in my humble opinion, that big battles are MORE skilled based than dueling. There is so much more going on that you have to be aware of, and it takes so much more teamwork and coordination. WAY MORE SKILL.

I just turned the podcast off after that statement. Simple fixes.

Two simple fixes and everyone is happy
1. IC Should be it's own zone/server
2. A literal Arena where players can duel 1v1, 2v2, 2v1, whatever.

P.S. The other major contributing factor to turning off the podcast is that ya'll are REAL boring. No life, no passion, no love for the game that I could decipher. Just trying to make a couple bucks off of what you hope is god worship.

Many players don't participate much in the war effort anymore because their small or spread out group has no place there anymore and they don't enjoy balling up with 20+ other players to spam AoE together (simplified).
You can have as many nuances in there as you want, like you need good organization, timing etc., it doesn't suddenly make that playstyle fun. I've put 1500+ hours into the game since 1.6 hit and still want to go back to sieges and large scale battles.

Umm. Sorry. That only happens in prime time. What about the other 19 hours of the day? There is a lot of small scale pvp. Some of the most fun I had was from like 2 pm EST to 5.

Alucardo

Ara_Valleria wrote: »

There there.. Come, let me give you a hug

Thank you! :'D

ToRelax

Darnathian wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

HighT3chR3dn3ck wrote: »

All I have to say is if you're not participating in the Alliance War and you're just looking for duels, then you really shouldn't have much of an opinion on the direction the Alliance War takes. "I can't remember the last time I sieged a keep." - King Richard

Are you kidding me? That's what a "top? PvPer is? Give me a break. Just have them put in an Arena system. 1v1, 2v2, 2v1, and stay the hell out of Cyrodiil for those of us THAT ACTUALLY ENJOY the alliance war. I've put 1000+ hours into this game, which is only a fraction of time for the "elite" players, but I always find myself wanting more alliance war with bigger battles. They are just fun.

If you want "skilled based combat" then what you really should be pushing for is a removal of the leveling, champion, unique weapons and armor, enchantments. Etc... or you could just go play an FPS which solely based on twitch, which sounds like you all want.

In fact, I would say, in my humble opinion, that big battles are MORE skilled based than dueling. There is so much more going on that you have to be aware of, and it takes so much more teamwork and coordination. WAY MORE SKILL.

I just turned the podcast off after that statement. Simple fixes.

Two simple fixes and everyone is happy
1. IC Should be it's own zone/server
2. A literal Arena where players can duel 1v1, 2v2, 2v1, whatever.

P.S. The other major contributing factor to turning off the podcast is that ya'll are REAL boring. No life, no passion, no love for the game that I could decipher. Just trying to make a couple bucks off of what you hope is god worship.

Many players don't participate much in the war effort anymore because their small or spread out group has no place there anymore and they don't enjoy balling up with 20+ other players to spam AoE together (simplified).
You can have as many nuances in there as you want, like you need good organization, timing etc., it doesn't suddenly make that playstyle fun. I've put 1500+ hours into the game since 1.6 hit and still want to go back to sieges and large scale battles.

Umm. Sorry. That only happens in prime time. What about the other 19 hours of the day? There is a lot of small scale pvp. Some of the most fun I had was from like 2 pm EST to 5.

Are you kidding me right now? I was talking about large scale PvP, that's what I want. The sole reason I am playing small scale is because large scale doesn't work out without a zergball now. I want to cap keeps and scrolls. Am I supposed to nightcap when the enemies aren't online or what? I can already only play outside prime time in Cyrodiil because of the horrible lag, but if I wanted to wait until there are no zergballs running around anymore I'd have to play between 3 and 11 am or something.

Lava_Croft

ToRelax wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

HighT3chR3dn3ck wrote: »

All I have to say is if you're not participating in the Alliance War and you're just looking for duels, then you really shouldn't have much of an opinion on the direction the Alliance War takes. "I can't remember the last time I sieged a keep." - King Richard

Are you kidding me? That's what a "top? PvPer is? Give me a break. Just have them put in an Arena system. 1v1, 2v2, 2v1, and stay the hell out of Cyrodiil for those of us THAT ACTUALLY ENJOY the alliance war. I've put 1000+ hours into this game, which is only a fraction of time for the "elite" players, but I always find myself wanting more alliance war with bigger battles. They are just fun.

If you want "skilled based combat" then what you really should be pushing for is a removal of the leveling, champion, unique weapons and armor, enchantments. Etc... or you could just go play an FPS which solely based on twitch, which sounds like you all want.

In fact, I would say, in my humble opinion, that big battles are MORE skilled based than dueling. There is so much more going on that you have to be aware of, and it takes so much more teamwork and coordination. WAY MORE SKILL.

I just turned the podcast off after that statement. Simple fixes.

Two simple fixes and everyone is happy
1. IC Should be it's own zone/server
2. A literal Arena where players can duel 1v1, 2v2, 2v1, whatever.

P.S. The other major contributing factor to turning off the podcast is that ya'll are REAL boring. No life, no passion, no love for the game that I could decipher. Just trying to make a couple bucks off of what you hope is god worship.

Many players don't participate much in the war effort anymore because their small or spread out group has no place there anymore and they don't enjoy balling up with 20+ other players to spam AoE together (simplified).
You can have as many nuances in there as you want, like you need good organization, timing etc., it doesn't suddenly make that playstyle fun. I've put 1500+ hours into the game since 1.6 hit and still want to go back to sieges and large scale battles.

Umm. Sorry. That only happens in prime time. What about the other 19 hours of the day? There is a lot of small scale pvp. Some of the most fun I had was from like 2 pm EST to 5.

Are you kidding me right now? I was talking about large scale PvP, that's what I want. The sole reason I am playing small scale is because large scale doesn't work out without a zergball now. I want to cap keeps and scrolls. Am I supposed to nightcap when the enemies aren't online or what? I can already only play outside prime time in Cyrodiil because of the horrible lag, but if I wanted to wait until there are no zergballs running around anymore I'd have to play between 3 and 11 am or something.

I want my game back, Elo.

Darnathian

ToRelax wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

HighT3chR3dn3ck wrote: »

All I have to say is if you're not participating in the Alliance War and you're just looking for duels, then you really shouldn't have much of an opinion on the direction the Alliance War takes. "I can't remember the last time I sieged a keep." - King Richard

Are you kidding me? That's what a "top? PvPer is? Give me a break. Just have them put in an Arena system. 1v1, 2v2, 2v1, and stay the hell out of Cyrodiil for those of us THAT ACTUALLY ENJOY the alliance war. I've put 1000+ hours into this game, which is only a fraction of time for the "elite" players, but I always find myself wanting more alliance war with bigger battles. They are just fun.

If you want "skilled based combat" then what you really should be pushing for is a removal of the leveling, champion, unique weapons and armor, enchantments. Etc... or you could just go play an FPS which solely based on twitch, which sounds like you all want.

In fact, I would say, in my humble opinion, that big battles are MORE skilled based than dueling. There is so much more going on that you have to be aware of, and it takes so much more teamwork and coordination. WAY MORE SKILL.

I just turned the podcast off after that statement. Simple fixes.

Two simple fixes and everyone is happy
1. IC Should be it's own zone/server
2. A literal Arena where players can duel 1v1, 2v2, 2v1, whatever.

P.S. The other major contributing factor to turning off the podcast is that ya'll are REAL boring. No life, no passion, no love for the game that I could decipher. Just trying to make a couple bucks off of what you hope is god worship.

Many players don't participate much in the war effort anymore because their small or spread out group has no place there anymore and they don't enjoy balling up with 20+ other players to spam AoE together (simplified).
You can have as many nuances in there as you want, like you need good organization, timing etc., it doesn't suddenly make that playstyle fun. I've put 1500+ hours into the game since 1.6 hit and still want to go back to sieges and large scale battles.

Umm. Sorry. That only happens in prime time. What about the other 19 hours of the day? There is a lot of small scale pvp. Some of the most fun I had was from like 2 pm EST to 5.

Are you kidding me right now? I was talking about large scale PvP, that's what I want. The sole reason I am playing small scale is because large scale doesn't work out without a zergball now. I want to cap keeps and scrolls. Am I supposed to nightcap when the enemies aren't online or what? I can already only play outside prime time in Cyrodiil because of the horrible lag, but if I wanted to wait until there are no zergballs running around anymore I'd have to play between 3 and 11 am or something.

Are you kidding me right now? You commenting on his post where he made the comment about them admitting with there small groups that they dont participate in the war effort.

THE WAR EFFORT IS NOT JUST PRIME TIME.

ToRelax

Darnathian wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

HighT3chR3dn3ck wrote: »

All I have to say is if you're not participating in the Alliance War and you're just looking for duels, then you really shouldn't have much of an opinion on the direction the Alliance War takes. "I can't remember the last time I sieged a keep." - King Richard

Are you kidding me? That's what a "top? PvPer is? Give me a break. Just have them put in an Arena system. 1v1, 2v2, 2v1, and stay the hell out of Cyrodiil for those of us THAT ACTUALLY ENJOY the alliance war. I've put 1000+ hours into this game, which is only a fraction of time for the "elite" players, but I always find myself wanting more alliance war with bigger battles. They are just fun.

If you want "skilled based combat" then what you really should be pushing for is a removal of the leveling, champion, unique weapons and armor, enchantments. Etc... or you could just go play an FPS which solely based on twitch, which sounds like you all want.

In fact, I would say, in my humble opinion, that big battles are MORE skilled based than dueling. There is so much more going on that you have to be aware of, and it takes so much more teamwork and coordination. WAY MORE SKILL.

I just turned the podcast off after that statement. Simple fixes.

Two simple fixes and everyone is happy
1. IC Should be it's own zone/server
2. A literal Arena where players can duel 1v1, 2v2, 2v1, whatever.

P.S. The other major contributing factor to turning off the podcast is that ya'll are REAL boring. No life, no passion, no love for the game that I could decipher. Just trying to make a couple bucks off of what you hope is god worship.

Many players don't participate much in the war effort anymore because their small or spread out group has no place there anymore and they don't enjoy balling up with 20+ other players to spam AoE together (simplified).
You can have as many nuances in there as you want, like you need good organization, timing etc., it doesn't suddenly make that playstyle fun. I've put 1500+ hours into the game since 1.6 hit and still want to go back to sieges and large scale battles.

Umm. Sorry. That only happens in prime time. What about the other 19 hours of the day? There is a lot of small scale pvp. Some of the most fun I had was from like 2 pm EST to 5.

Are you kidding me right now? I was talking about large scale PvP, that's what I want. The sole reason I am playing small scale is because large scale doesn't work out without a zergball now. I want to cap keeps and scrolls. Am I supposed to nightcap when the enemies aren't online or what? I can already only play outside prime time in Cyrodiil because of the horrible lag, but if I wanted to wait until there are no zergballs running around anymore I'd have to play between 3 and 11 am or something.

Are you kidding me right now? You commenting on his post where he made the comment about them admitting with there small groups that they dont participate in the war effort.

THE WAR EFFORT IS NOT JUST PRIME TIME.

Because zergballs aren't just up in prime time. That simple.
Sometimes I can get nice small scale PvP, on the way to sieged keeps, at recources when the main fight is elsewhere etc. But what I actually want to play is large scale PvP, fighting over keeps and scrolls without a mass of players all stacked up on top of each other.

Ezareth

Alucardo wrote: »

Hah, man, Fengrush went full-on Hulk. But that's passion for you - I'd have been the same. I'm just so frustrated with the lack of small-scale PvP, and push towards complete and utter zergballs.
Do you know what I did tonight? Go on, guess. Give up? OK, I did PvE. Yeah. I said it. I logged into Cyrodiil for 15 minutes, and in that timeframe got stampeded on twice in DIFFERENT areas. They are everywhere. I can't go to the toilet without getting zerged. It's ridiculous.
So yeah, I went back and finally completed the second and third Harborage quests. And you know what? I liked it. I was facing 2-3 enemies at a time max. It was a breath of fresh air to be sure.
Yes, I'm angry, but at least Fengrush has Lefty to console him while I have no one.

Yeah I feel you man. The zerging has just straight up killed small scale. I get a few good fights on my sorc in Cyrodiil last night but most of the time it usually ends up with a nice 1 v 1 to 1 v 3 turning into a 1 v 6+ zerging me down. It's not like I'm sieging keeps or doing anything other than waiting outside (never in stealth) in the middle of the battle lanes looking for some fun / fair PvP action. I've literally had entire raids run me down. Or you end up fighting 1 member of the raid, which turns into 3 members of the raid, you get the upper hand and the entire damn raid comes back to zerg you down. Just stupid. If you're in a PvP group and you see 3 people in your group fighting 1 person let them kill him or die to him, don't just pile on. That's the main reason small group players have a tendency to disdain large group PvPers.

I've been spending more time running WGT and doing writs in Craglorn than PvP these days.

HighT3chR3dn3ck wrote: »

All I have to say is if you're not participating in the Alliance War and you're just looking for duels, then you really shouldn't have much of an opinion on the direction the Alliance War takes. "I can't remember the last time I sieged a keep." - King Richard

Are you kidding me? That's what a "top? PvPer is? Give me a break. Just have them put in an Arena system. 1v1, 2v2, 2v1, and stay the hell out of Cyrodiil for those of us THAT ACTUALLY ENJOY the alliance war. I've put 1000+ hours into this game, which is only a fraction of time for the "elite" players, but I always find myself wanting more alliance war with bigger battles. They are just fun.

If you want "skilled based combat" then what you really should be pushing for is a removal of the leveling, champion, unique weapons and armor, enchantments. Etc... or you could just go play an FPS which solely based on twitch, which sounds like you all want.

In fact, I would say, in my humble opinion, that big battles are MORE skilled based than dueling. There is so much more going on that you have to be aware of, and it takes so much more teamwork and coordination. WAY MORE SKILL.

I just turned the podcast off after that statement. Simple fixes.

Two simple fixes and everyone is happy
1. IC Should be it's own zone/server
2. A literal Arena where players can duel 1v1, 2v2, 2v1, whatever.

P.S. The other major contributing factor to turning off the podcast is that ya'll are REAL boring. No life, no passion, no love for the game that I could decipher. Just trying to make a couple bucks off of what you hope is god worship.

It's been a long time since I sieged a keep as well. You've got to remember, many of us have held down entire campaigns for our side by leading groups and fighting zergs and PvP battles for the first year of the game. That whole combat meta got boring for us. Sieging walls, repairing walls (shudder), running scrolls. When you've literally spent *millions* of AP on siege and repair kits, staring at your characters ass squatting down over and over for hours on end...it starts to get a little boring. You begin to live for the *combat*, not the stuff that surrounds it.

And as far as entertainment value, you would be in the minority if you thought the contributors to the podcast are boring.

Jitterbug wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

I was annoyed by Crown for the entirety of that podcast. I don't know him, never fought him but listening to him was painful because he could never tune down the ego enough to allow a discussion to not be centered around him.

It's hard for me to add anything else new to the discussion really. Without a ZoS presence and any sort of feedback its a divided community inbtheir own echo chamber.

Immaletchufinish, but let's all quickly google the definition of meta first.

I shouldn't have even said what I did, I'm not trying to dog on Crown but it was distracting to me and I wanted to provide some feedback to Spyher and the guys hosting the podcast. Anyone appearing on the podcast should have very thick skin and treat everyone else as equals and with the respect they are due regardless of differences in opinion.

Amica

Manoekin wrote: »

What do you hope to accomplish?

"Those who do nothing when change is needed.... see no change. Those with the courage to speak up initiate change."

Darnathian

Ezareth wrote: »

Alucardo wrote: »

Hah, man, Fengrush went full-on Hulk. But that's passion for you - I'd have been the same. I'm just so frustrated with the lack of small-scale PvP, and push towards complete and utter zergballs.
Do you know what I did tonight? Go on, guess. Give up? OK, I did PvE. Yeah. I said it. I logged into Cyrodiil for 15 minutes, and in that timeframe got stampeded on twice in DIFFERENT areas. They are everywhere. I can't go to the toilet without getting zerged. It's ridiculous.
So yeah, I went back and finally completed the second and third Harborage quests. And you know what? I liked it. I was facing 2-3 enemies at a time max. It was a breath of fresh air to be sure.
Yes, I'm angry, but at least Fengrush has Lefty to console him while I have no one.

Yeah I feel you man. The zerging has just straight up killed small scale. I get a few good fights on my sorc in Cyrodiil last night but most of the time it usually ends up with a nice 1 v 1 to 1 v 3 turning into a 1 v 6+ zerging me down. It's not like I'm sieging keeps or doing anything other than waiting outside (never in stealth) in the middle of the battle lanes looking for some fun / fair PvP action. I've literally had entire raids run me down. Or you end up fighting 1 member of the raid, which turns into 3 members of the raid, you get the upper hand and the entire damn raid comes back to zerg you down. Just stupid. If you're in a PvP group and you see 3 people in your group fighting 1 person let them kill him or die to him, don't just pile on. That's the main reason small group players have a tendency to disdain large group PvPers.

I've been spending more time running WGT and doing writs in Craglorn than PvP these days.

HighT3chR3dn3ck wrote: »

All I have to say is if you're not participating in the Alliance War and you're just looking for duels, then you really shouldn't have much of an opinion on the direction the Alliance War takes. "I can't remember the last time I sieged a keep." - King Richard

Are you kidding me? That's what a "top? PvPer is? Give me a break. Just have them put in an Arena system. 1v1, 2v2, 2v1, and stay the hell out of Cyrodiil for those of us THAT ACTUALLY ENJOY the alliance war. I've put 1000+ hours into this game, which is only a fraction of time for the "elite" players, but I always find myself wanting more alliance war with bigger battles. They are just fun.

If you want "skilled based combat" then what you really should be pushing for is a removal of the leveling, champion, unique weapons and armor, enchantments. Etc... or you could just go play an FPS which solely based on twitch, which sounds like you all want.

In fact, I would say, in my humble opinion, that big battles are MORE skilled based than dueling. There is so much more going on that you have to be aware of, and it takes so much more teamwork and coordination. WAY MORE SKILL.

I just turned the podcast off after that statement. Simple fixes.

Two simple fixes and everyone is happy
1. IC Should be it's own zone/server
2. A literal Arena where players can duel 1v1, 2v2, 2v1, whatever.

P.S. The other major contributing factor to turning off the podcast is that ya'll are REAL boring. No life, no passion, no love for the game that I could decipher. Just trying to make a couple bucks off of what you hope is god worship.

It's been a long time since I sieged a keep as well. You've got to remember, many of us have held down entire campaigns for our side by leading groups and fighting zergs and PvP battles for the first year of the game. That whole combat meta got boring for us. Sieging walls, repairing walls (shudder), running scrolls. When you've literally spent *millions* of AP on siege and repair kits, staring at your characters ass squatting down over and over for hours on end...it starts to get a little boring. You begin to live for the *combat*, not the stuff that surrounds it.

And as far as entertainment value, you would be in the minority if you thought the contributors to the podcast are boring.

Jitterbug wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

I was annoyed by Crown for the entirety of that podcast. I don't know him, never fought him but listening to him was painful because he could never tune down the ego enough to allow a discussion to not be centered around him.

It's hard for me to add anything else new to the discussion really. Without a ZoS presence and any sort of feedback its a divided community inbtheir own echo chamber.

Immaletchufinish, but let's all quickly google the definition of meta first.

I shouldn't have even said what I did, I'm not trying to dog on Crown but it was distracting to me and I wanted to provide some feedback to Spyher and the guys hosting the podcast. Anyone appearing on the podcast should have very thick skin and treat everyone else as equals and with the respect they are due regardless of differences in opinion.

Agree with most of what you said. However, the only one who has treated everyone as equals has been Sypher. The other three have at times voiced there, "displeasure", at other playstyles and opinions.

Amica

Im just going to say it ... Crown pissed me off.

Other than that, awesome job guys.

Fengrush was spot on with what he said.

Make these guys the class mediators, They are at the top of their game on ther chosen classes.

Also think it was king that said , the deves just pass the buck all the time when asked a two hard question.
Eso live .. the body language alone of the guys / devs when asked questions says ... we are going to tell you this, but you know and we know you know.... we are full of *** and that is never going to happen.

eliisra

Ezareth wrote: »

Yeah I feel you man. The zerging has just straight up killed small scale. I get a few good fights on my sorc in Cyrodiil last night but most of the time it usually ends up with a nice 1 v 1 to 1 v 3 turning into a 1 v 6+ zerging me down. It's not like I'm sieging keeps or doing anything other than waiting outside (never in stealth) in the middle of the battle lanes looking for some fun / fair PvP action. I've literally had entire raids run me down. Or you end up fighting 1 member of the raid, which turns into 3 members of the raid, you get the upper hand and the entire damn raid comes back to zerg you down. Just stupid. If you're in a PvP group and you see 3 people in your group fighting 1 person let them kill him or die to him, don't just pile on. That's the main reason small group players have a tendency to disdain large group PvPers.

Because that one member of a raid you're trying to get honourable PvP from isn't using a 1v1/solo build. Half his bar is most likely support and AoE, no self sustain, lacking single target. Standrad zergs v.s. zerg setup. So he naturally goes "gaaaaaaaaaaaanked help" in TS totally panicking because scary NB or sorc "ON ME help". All his buddies pours out of the keep to save him, since he cant burn you down with siege shield, AoE and purge.

Another reason why we need arenas or similar. In fights with premade numbers, everyone is built for the same type of combat, everyone is there for the same reason. If you roam around today looking for good 1v1 or small scale,majority of your encounters will be lost zerglings trying to catch up to zerg or NB's in sneak looking for mounted players or vamps to jump. Neither will give you upfront fighting, they're not interested in that "playstyle". If you let them change skills + gear first maybe, but probably not.

Minno

Amica wrote: »

Im just going to say it ... Crown pissed me off.

Other than that, awesome job guys.

Fengrush was spot on with what he said.

Make these guys the class mediators, They are at the top of their game on ther chosen classes.

Also think it was king that said , the deves just pass the buck all the time when asked a two hard question.
Eso live .. the body language alone of the guys / devs when asked questions says ... we are going to tell you this, but you know and we know you know.... we are full of *** and that is never going to happen.

In a client relationship, its normal for creative to become defensive when their clients fail to do the following:

- misunderstand the product they are receiving
- and after understanding the product, actually think its bad and request revisions.

I'm willing to bet the devs on those eso live chats, are showing signs of defensiveness.
They would have been out of this mess had they understood their clients needs, offered viable solutions that they want to introduce, and returned those products in a timely fashion with constant communication so that its transparent.

You manage the expextations of your clients in any other industry and you'll have fun at work. Don't, and you'll be this defensive mess struggling with workoholic deadlines. @ZOS_BrianWheeler and @ZOS_GinaBruno are some of the few at ZOS managing our expectations as a client; of which many of us should respect because its not easy.

Lokey0024

Imo large scale pvp isnt as fun anymore. Alot of zergballing makes for stupid gameplay which bores both the attacking and defenders. Even with removal of aoe caps this trend will stay stronger the more numbers you have spamming steel tornado and vigor, just the ball can take out more people faster then before. If they could somehow make it so each player couldnt be walked thru might help, yet not sure on how difficult this would be to implement ie. server lag glitching etc. So an arena could be a bandaid for the time being.

This games combat system is wonderful, and Cyrodiil is a pvp playground dream come true for me, so i hope this game doesnt just die off from lack of answers to simple gameplay style issues.

GRxKnight

Minno wrote: »

Amica wrote: »

Im just going to say it ... Crown pissed me off.

Other than that, awesome job guys.

Fengrush was spot on with what he said.

Make these guys the class mediators, They are at the top of their game on ther chosen classes.

Also think it was king that said , the deves just pass the buck all the time when asked a two hard question.
Eso live .. the body language alone of the guys / devs when asked questions says ... we are going to tell you this, but you know and we know you know.... we are full of *** and that is never going to happen.

In a client relationship, its normal for creative to become defensive when their clients fail to do the following:

- misunderstand the product they are receiving
- and after understanding the product, actually think its bad and request revisions.

I'm willing to bet the devs on those eso live chats, are showing signs of defensiveness.
They would have been out of this mess had they understood their clients needs, offered viable solutions that they want to introduce, and returned those products in a timely fashion with constant communication so that its transparent.

You manage the expextations of your clients in any other industry and you'll have fun at work. Don't, and you'll be this defensive mess struggling with workoholic deadlines. @ZOS_BrianWheeler and @ZOS_GinaBruno are some of the few at ZOS managing our expectations as a client; of which many of us should respect because its not easy.

It seems no matter what they do people are just going to complain at some change that ZOS does that they don't like while offering no other solutions or ideas that haven't already been brought up countless other times. At least with FENGRUSH on these podcasts he offers some constructive criticism and ideas moving forward in how to make Cyrodiil perform better. Not really sure King and Lefty are offering much in terms of the constructive criticism other than to agree and reiterate FENGRUSH's points.

What I'd like to see from these podcasts is more equal representation from an alliance perspective and a group play vs small/solo play. There needs to be a REGULAR large group/ball group/zerger representative among the panelists rather than bring in new guests every week to give them their 2 hours of fame. There's too much focus on how the state of PvP is right now for small group play and very little focus on what's going on in the larger groups. While these 4 may be able to look at it from a solo group aspect, I can almost say with certainty that unless they're constantly grouping up they will offer little when it comes to a discussion on larger group play outside of the broad statements they make. Me personally, I want to get into the small group play and have the passion for it that these 4 do. However the game right now doesn't support that type of playstyle well. It's good that they're bringing in guests with this large scale mentality, but there needs to be at least one person that'll be on every podcast to provide constructive thoughts, arguments, and discussion for the large group play.

Alucardo

Ezareth wrote: »

Yeah I feel you man. The zerging has just straight up killed small scale. I get a few good fights on my sorc in Cyrodiil last night but most of the time it usually ends up with a nice 1 v 1 to 1 v 3 turning into a 1 v 6+ zerging me down. It's not like I'm sieging keeps or doing anything other than waiting outside (never in stealth) in the middle of the battle lanes looking for some fun / fair PvP action. I've literally had entire raids run me down. Or you end up fighting 1 member of the raid, which turns into 3 members of the raid, you get the upper hand and the entire damn raid comes back to zerg you down. Just stupid. If you're in a PvP group and you see 3 people in your group fighting 1 person let them kill him or die to him, don't just pile on. That's the main reason small group players have a tendency to disdain large group PvPers.

This is exactly what happens. I was finally having a 1v1, then the opponents friends/group members surrounded me watching the fight. I was like cool, this is happening, finally a fair fight. He got low health and 1 other jumped in. I'm fine with that. Then the rest piled in after him.
If you're in a large group against one person, make it interesting and come in small waves. Where's the fun in rolling them over when you can do that at keeps? The only person I've seen honour this was the EP emperor at the time. I accidentally ambushed him on his horse without realising and he stood there while I fought his group. Because hell, I'd have no chance if the Emperor had jumped in as well xD
I'm not saying you need to let friends die, but you don't need to gang bang a solo PvPer then pat each other on the back afterwards.

Ezareth

Darnathian wrote: »

I shouldn't have even said what I did, I'm not trying to dog on Crown but it was distracting to me and I wanted to provide some feedback to Spyher and the guys hosting the podcast. Anyone appearing on the podcast should have very thick skin and treat everyone else as equals and with the respect they are due regardless of differences in opinion.

Agree with most of what you said. However, the only one who has treated everyone as equals has been Sypher. The other three have at times voiced there, "displeasure", at other playstyles and opinions.
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I don't think any disrespect was thrown towards Jules or Crown. A lot of us small group PvPers vent about "Zergers". I heard Richard say zerg groups and then catch himself and add "large scale groups" to the list so as not to offend the other two.

Calling all large group players "Zergers" is like calling all small group players "Gankers". Both have negative connotations and do not accurately describe the style of play.

Ezareth

Lokey0024 wrote: »

Even with removal of aoe caps this trend will stay stronger the more numbers you have spamming steel tornado and vigor, just the ball can take out more people faster then before.

This isn't true however. The Ball becomes much more vulnerable without caps in place and it incentivizes them to spread out more to avoid exposing themselves to AoE bombs.. If you have three people spamming steel tornado and say a Templar spamming breath of life in the middle of a group of 12 people tightly clumped up, if they don't react instantly they're going to die within a few seconds. In the current meta half of that group is going to be taking half damage and with smart healing the most wounded people are going to be topped off while all of their damage ends up hitting the smaller group.

It becomes a simple numbers game where the largest group wins.

Ezareth

Alucardo wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Yeah I feel you man. The zerging has just straight up killed small scale. I get a few good fights on my sorc in Cyrodiil last night but most of the time it usually ends up with a nice 1 v 1 to 1 v 3 turning into a 1 v 6+ zerging me down. It's not like I'm sieging keeps or doing anything other than waiting outside (never in stealth) in the middle of the battle lanes looking for some fun / fair PvP action. I've literally had entire raids run me down. Or you end up fighting 1 member of the raid, which turns into 3 members of the raid, you get the upper hand and the entire damn raid comes back to zerg you down. Just stupid. If you're in a PvP group and you see 3 people in your group fighting 1 person let them kill him or die to him, don't just pile on. That's the main reason small group players have a tendency to disdain large group PvPers.

This is exactly what happens. I was finally having a 1v1, then the opponents friends/group members surrounded me watching the fight. I was like cool, this is happening, finally a fair fight. He got low health and 1 other jumped in. I'm fine with that. Then the rest piled in after him.
If you're in a large group against one person, make it interesting and come in small waves. Where's the fun in rolling them over when you can do that at keeps? The only person I've seen honour this was the EP emperor at the time. I accidentally ambushed him on his horse without realising and he stood there while I fought his group. Because hell, I'd have no chance if the Emperor had jumped in as well xD
I'm not saying you need to let friends die, but you don't need to gang bang a solo PvPer then pat each other on the back afterwards.

Yeah I ran into a good group of DC who didn't zerg me down the other night as well. I jumped their group solo while they were sieging a keep and the Emperor peeled off of the group and fought me while the rest of raid continued sieging. I was impressed to find a group of large scale AvAers that understood I was just another player trying to find some fun while providing them with entertainment as well while they were sieging down walls.

When I run in groups, if I see 2 or 3 people in our group peel off after another single player I let them go because I know just how fun that can be. There is no fun for anyone involved with 6 players zerging down a solo player. Even 3 players is overkill for all but the best players.

eliisra wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Yeah I feel you man. The zerging has just straight up killed small scale. I get a few good fights on my sorc in Cyrodiil last night but most of the time it usually ends up with a nice 1 v 1 to 1 v 3 turning into a 1 v 6+ zerging me down. It's not like I'm sieging keeps or doing anything other than waiting outside (never in stealth) in the middle of the battle lanes looking for some fun / fair PvP action. I've literally had entire raids run me down. Or you end up fighting 1 member of the raid, which turns into 3 members of the raid, you get the upper hand and the entire damn raid comes back to zerg you down. Just stupid. If you're in a PvP group and you see 3 people in your group fighting 1 person let them kill him or die to him, don't just pile on. That's the main reason small group players have a tendency to disdain large group PvPers.

Because that one member of a raid you're trying to get honourable PvP from isn't using a 1v1/solo build. Half his bar is most likely support and AoE, no self sustain, lacking single target. Standrad zergs v.s. zerg setup. So he naturally goes "gaaaaaaaaaaaanked help" in TS totally panicking because scary NB or sorc "ON ME help". All his buddies pours out of the keep to save him, since he cant burn you down with siege shield, AoE and purge.

Another reason why we need arenas or similar. In fights with premade numbers, everyone is built for the same type of combat, everyone is there for the same reason. If you roam around today looking for good 1v1 or small scale,majority of your encounters will be lost zerglings trying to catch up to zerg or NB's in sneak looking for mounted players or vamps to jump. Neither will give you upfront fighting, they're not interested in that "playstyle". If you let them change skills + gear first maybe, but probably not.

I'm not looking for 1 v 1s in "honorable" combat against some poor player in a support build. I'm a 1 vXer. I have no problem with 2 or 3 good players going after me with everything they got. If they're good they should and will win no matter what their builds are. All I'm saying is don't send the whole damn raid after me. I've literally had 20 people ride me down on horseback recently down a path that completely out of the way of any objectives. That's the mentality that needs to stop and it isn't helping the health of the game.