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The Potential of this Game is just Not Enough Anymore
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CtrlAltDlt✭✭✭I wish ZOS would tell us things will get better, that they will fix these annoying bugs and address pvp issues. At least that way we can be hopeful and not give up on this game but they never answer to these threads and we re kept in the dark...PC NA - jeazzy
stamblade outnumbered pvp vol 1. youtu.be/h1ONYfpAJJ8
Stamblade outbumbered pvp vol 2. No cheese youtu.be/rN4_aRVMvWw2 -
CtrlAltDlt✭✭✭I wish ZOS would tell us things will get better, that they will fix these annoying bugs and address pvp issues. At least that way we can be hopeful and not give up on this game but they never answer to these threads and we re kept in the dark...PC NA - jeazzy
stamblade outnumbered pvp vol 1. youtu.be/h1ONYfpAJJ8
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✭✭A year and a half into the game:
Hundreds of thousands of words, infinite amounts of player consideration and input on these forums.
What we're left with:
Persistent, crippling lag and fps drops
Stronger than ever zergs
Class imbalance
& Lack of true and sincere care from ZOS.
They simply do not care about PC PVP. So why do we?
They also dont care about large group PvE anymore @Jules . I am loosing faith in ESO. Guilds breaking apart because ppl are leaving left and right due to lack of new challenging content on both PvP and PvE. It´s a huge mess. I am at the brink of completely calling it aswell.
Black Desert comes out soon! Thats real PvP right there with no lag and nice FPS. Open World PvP, 3v3-5v5 Arenas, Training Arenas outside cities, Guild vs Guild Wars, Siege wars. Nuff said.Edited by xMovingTarget on October 24, 2015 2:30PM3 -
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✭✭Scyantific wrote: »The average CP on PC says it all. The average amount of CP on pc right now is 90. When the champion system came if you were vet cap you got 70 CP immediately. The amount of old school people that must have left for the average to be 90 must be frighteningly large. If I was bankrolling this I would be pulling people into meetings and chewing them out after finding that out. That is a sign of a huge sickness within the game.
The 90 thing is only because Zeni used a completely convoluted method of gathering data (something about only checking the last 30 days, for people with only one veteran character).
Perhaps you're right. Perhaps you're wrong. But Zeni seems happy with how they gathered data for their purposes and the health of their game.
So I gather information in a way that support my view. It is completely irrelevant that I did it in a underhanded way that ignores the reality of the situation?
Like the fact that a large portion of people that have payed and supported their game for the longest time will be over the cap.
I'm sure I've payed and supported this game for as long as you and I'm not even at 300 CP yet. And yes, when people are unable to accept a different outcome from what they believe or want, then they will find fault with how data was gathered.
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✭✭✭✭I wish ZOS would tell us things will get better, that they will fix these annoying bugs and address pvp issues. At least that way we can be hopeful and not give up on this game but they never answer to these threads and we re kept in the dark...
I tried to get them to give us some hope regarding the DK on this last ESO live. This was the first time I was able to join the event because I had the day off. I told every DK I know to try to get some response about the DK from Mr Wrobel. I wanted them to say something to give our class some hope because the mood is absolutely terrible right now. However they completely blocked the question and shut it down without ever allowing Mr Wrobel to respond. They blocked it and said "We are getting a lot of question about specific classes and skills, we will be doing class balance updates two updates from now. That is exactly the statement we heard before on the DK thread. THAT IS NOT A HOPEFUL STATEMENT, THAT IS A VERY BAD STATEMENT. I gave them a perfect opportunity to talk about the DK and bring some hope to the class and they just shut it down, and handed out the same freaking answer as before that brought DK's nothing but despair. What a brilliant opportunity to bring some hope to the class that you just wasted and trashed on the ground.Edited by Armitas on October 24, 2015 2:39PMRetired.
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Bolded part is false. They gathered data from people who have at least one vet character, which is good because it means they don't count people with 0 CP who actually can't even earn CP yet.Scyantific wrote: »The average CP on PC says it all. The average amount of CP on pc right now is 90. When the champion system came if you were vet cap you got 70 CP immediately. The amount of old school people that must have left for the average to be 90 must be frighteningly large. If I was bankrolling this I would be pulling people into meetings and chewing them out after finding that out. That is a sign of a huge sickness within the game.
The 90 thing is only because Zeni used a completely convoluted method of gathering data (something about only checking the last 30 days, for people with only one veteran character).
ZOS decided that logging in during the last month and playing "for a period of time", whatever that means, is enough to qualify as an active player. The only thing we can debate is if logging in once is enough. Otherwise the method is fine.6 -
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✭✭✭✭Im not too concerned with balancing. Balance is an ongoing issue in every MMO. Theorycrafters will always find a way to make something more powerful than it was intended to be. Bads will always find a way to make something less powerful than it was intended to be.
Zergs definitely need to be hampered. The AoE cap definitely needs to be removed.
My only major/uncompromising issue with PvP is that they actually made the performance worse than it was earlier toward launch. I've seen all of the other issues that ESO has in many other MMOs, but the only issue that is unique to ESO(at least in my experience) is that the performance is worse now than it was at launch. In most other games the performance gets better over time. I am a developer and if I put out some *** code that makes one of our applications start running worse, I roll it back and apologize to the customer.Edited by timidobserver on October 24, 2015 2:43PMV16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
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QFT. Sadly.You must not realize how many people have actually quit and don't care. Most of the best players and guilds are not in ESO anymore, we're looking elsewhere for games because of the continuing disappointment on the (lack of) development of PVP in ESO... People like myself and my friends who has 200-300 days played and were incredibly dedicated and talented are no longer around for obvious reasons, it's only a matter of time before the rest of the PVP community gets fed up.
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Teiji✭✭✭✭✭xMovingTarget wrote: »Black Desert comes out soon! Thats real PvP right there with no lag and nice FPS. Open World PvP, 3v3-5v5 Arenas, Training Arenas outside cities, Guild vs Guild Wars, Siege wars. Nuff said.
@xMovingTarget Waiting on BDO and CU. BDO looks to have a huge emphasis on loads of fun gameplay features so when PvP is not available it's not boring to simply go and kill stuff like Dynasty Warriors 4 split-screen co-op with a friend on PS2, or Diablo 3 where the 'fun' is from hack'n'slash left and right, except it has a wealth of MMO goodness.
CU looks absolutely astounding and a PvP enthusiasts sandbox through and through.
TESO: TU is a great game, it's a great online RPG, but it falls off massively in the MMO department and it is being developed into being a decent Elder Scrolls game which happens to be a good online RPG but a poor MMO. And that's okay, it's a good casual social MMORPG. It's unfortunate, but it's no suprise that many MMORPGs are not fully voiced, it costs so much time, money and you have to forsake gameplay features and more for fluff; this wouldn't be a problem for a subscription based game, TESO is not a subscription based game, hence why our first PvP update added zero PvP objectives and a wealth of PvE.
This game will be successful and enjoyable for people who get excited about Crown Store cosmetics and post in forum threads which go into 10+ pages over 'outrage' regarding cosmetic items as opposed to new gameplay features, spellcrafting, new PvP objectives, lag fixing on Cyrodiil campaigns and increasing Cyrodiil pop cap.
The reason for this is obvious, ZoS' has their ideal clientèle as most of the old community members has simply moved onto single-player games and the like as we wait for MMORPGs which satisfy our PvP needs. Some may still casually login to this game to do writs, feed their horses and so on, but the extreme excitement, hope for the future and so on has long since passed. We were told that guilds could capture keeps in this game, this was marketed as a 'feature', you can't upgrade keeps with AP, can't upgrade guards and so on, you capture keeps & resources in name alone; if this was a feature you were excited about I have two words for you; Camelot Unchained."Serving Boethiah is Freedom, embracing heroism is Liberty, existing solely for noxiphilic sanguivoria is truth." - Martin Luther King, Jr.
European megaserver Fallout 4
Loyalist of Boethiah, heroism enthusiast, exposer of secrets, bless'ed of noxiphilic sanguivoria.
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✭✭✭✭✭timidobserver wrote: »Im not too concerned with balancing. Balance is an ongoing issue in every MMO. Theorycrafters will always find a way to make something more powerful than it was intended to be. Bads will always find a way to make something less powerful than it was intended to be.
Zergs definitely need to be hampered. The AoE cap definitely needs to be removed.
My only major/uncompromising issue with PvP is that they actually made the performance worse than it was earlier toward launch. I've seen all of the other issues that ESO has in many other MMOs, but the only issue that is unique to ESO(at least in my experience) is that the performance is worse now than it was at launch. In most other games the performance gets better over time. I am a developer and if I put out some *** code that makes one of our applications start running worse, I roll it back and apologize to the customer.
So much this!
In almost 15 years of playing mmos it´s a completely new experience for me that a game actually gets worse performance wise (on top of no real development at all).<Noricum>
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✭✭✭You know, I leisurely read over this thread, more of a skimming than actual word for word. And there are a few posts here that if I wanted to I'd probably whip up one of my famous posts and rip it to the heavens. But I will not be doing that this morning here, here in NYC home of the NY Mets.
You guys, along with many of your former compadres were saying ESO was on it's death bed back in something like August 2014, and ESO had only officially launched in April of that year. We here in the alliance war subforum are in a vacuum. We see things strictly through myopic eyes of PvP (which now I am officially declaring player vs. player means player vs. Publius). I would venture to say that the PvE aspect of ESO is pretty healthy and providing those that love Elder Scrolls and PvE a satisfactory experience. I am here because way back when (back when my biceps were smaller) a game called Morrowind on Xbox blew my mind. I enjoy PvE as well and from what I see from the Orsinium marketing material that zone really has the scope and feel of Elder Scrolls. In my preliminary opinion, blows all the previous zones away. Just imagine ZOS improving on that and one day (hopefully soon) allowing us to return to Vvardenfell.
So I would really need more evidence on the whole "ESO is dying", "ESO is dead".
Further, all that talk about ZOS is stupid, Rich Lambert doesn't care, Brian Wheeler doesn't understand what PvPers want, etc, is completely ludicrous and pure poppycock. To blanket ZOS with statements like that when all the facts, their internal company discussions, etc etc etc, are not known is pure lunacy. And quite frankly the sign of a stereotypical video game whining sissy. If you don't like what you see, walk away. You been sitting here for over a year and a half talking about game death and leaving yet you are still here. The players that have actually left the game by now and were brining up the same gripes as you have more guts than you. I would even venture to say that pushing aside all the whining, you are still here because you enjoy playing ESO.
And just so you know, Julian Edelman feels the same way I do about all of this. Ask him.
A lot of you should take a page out of Sypher, King Richard, Lefty Lucy (even though he is obsessed with being drunk it seems), and FENGRUSH's book. They discuss the game and what they would like changed, but they don't disrespect ZOS. Think about it! Sypher is what? 19 or 20 years old? Can't even legally consume alcohol and he shows more respect than many of you "adults" here.
Many of you have greatly disappointed me.... Especially Jules and her Haxus Pound Puppies army....
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✭✭✭✭People like sypher and others who stream can't afford to let their feeling and emotions explicitly show, not if they want to keep up their streams and their connections to ZOS. People like us, or me, random players on the forums have nothing to lose by being direct. We should be respectful, of course, but we are all mad as can be. We are tired of the bugs, tired of the lag, tired of something getting worse every update while their only concern seems to be over content that will be chewed up in a day.
Everytime I die, I'm still in combat when I rez. Heal someone, stuck in combat. Everytime I die I have to do a jig, dodgeroll, switch weapons to before I can open a door. Every 10min my class gap closer fails to work on every enemy in the area, been that way for a year. Every other time I push someone on a siege my game locks target to the siege and I have to hit escape. Every other time I push someone near a wall my game locks target to the wall and I have to hit escape...even my own freaking wall. Every time I put something up for sale it takes a week because no one wants to endure the ridiculous load screens just to find a good price. Half the time I start a group I have to disband it because of group lead bug. Tried to open a heavy sack today for 30seconds and couldn't till I switched weapons. PvP guards stun lock me every time I hit a resource and can't break free. Every 10 minutes I think it's safe to assume I am experience some frustrating bug, and it's not just me.
I am mad, very mad. Every 10 minutes of this game I get pissed. I shouldn't have to experience this. It should be fixed, by now it should be fixed. So I get to experience that every 10minutes on a broken class, that will remain broken for another half year. I am doing the best I can to remain respectful in this environment.
That is just the bugs. That doesn't include the terrible design decisions like prox det that every zerg in the world is cycling. The krag set that lets zergs be as bad as they want and keep coming up like zombies and eventually force flip the flag. Or completely wrecking a class, abandoning them for another half year while leaving stealth nerfs in place till orsinium. Or leaving all magicka classes at the mercy of 50% spell mitigation opponents for half a year. Or these absurd 50% global PvP nerfs in lieu of actual and precise fixes.
We all want better from this game, but we have no idea how to get it at this point except from another game. None of us want to go to another game, we want them to care about this one. We want THIS game to be a good game. If they are ever going to comprehend the mood of the player base we need to be completely open about how we feel about their game within the rules of the forums.
Edited by Armitas on October 24, 2015 4:40PMRetired.
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Araxleon✭✭✭✭✭Artemisshrikes wrote: »that's all people have do these says I want this I want that I want more of this I want less of that want want want
to be honest,
imbalance , lag and bugs are all part of PVP experience (bugs not so much but this is the TES series)
people will always want, but it would be nice to atleast have this game sit in a place where things are overall tolerable, some may say PVP is "tolerable" now thats a fair point, but PVP has downgraded since, we shouldn't want things we had in the past.
Perfect example is NB cloak, I and many others have explained why it is balanced, yes it pisses off your enemy and is very annoying but it is balanced now why do so many people want it nerfed? well because DK/SORC nerfs, there is no reasoning at all simply people want cloak nerfed because "bolt" got nerfed or "wings" got nerfed.
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✭Scyantific wrote: »The average CP on PC says it all. The average amount of CP on pc right now is 90. When the champion system came if you were vet cap you got 70 CP immediately. The amount of old school people that must have left for the average to be 90 must be frighteningly large. If I was bankrolling this I would be pulling people into meetings and chewing them out after finding that out. That is a sign of a huge sickness within the game.
The 90 thing is only because Zeni used a completely convoluted method of gathering data (something about only checking the last 30 days, for people with only one veteran character).
Perhaps you're right. Perhaps you're wrong. But Zeni seems happy with how they gathered data for their purposes and the health of their game.
So I gather information in a way that support my view. It is completely irrelevant that I did it in a underhanded way that ignores the reality of the situation?
Like the fact that a large portion of people that have payed and supported their game for the longest time will be over the cap.
A large portion of people who have played and supported the game since launch? So how many people have been here since launch? Not as many as who have left and are newer... don't be so naive.1 -
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✭✭✭People like sypher and others who stream can't afford to let their feeling and emotions explicitly show, not if they want to keep up their streams and their connections to ZOS. People like us, or me, random players on the forums have nothing to lose by being direct. We should be respectful, of course, but we are all mad as can be. We are tired of the bugs, tired of the lag, tired of something getting worse every update while their only concern seems to be over content that will be chewed up in a day.
Everytime I die, I'm still in combat when I rez. Heal someone, stuck in combat. Everytime I die I have to do a jig, dodgeroll, switch weapons to before I can open a door. Every 10min my class gap closer fails to work on every enemy in the area, been that way for a year. Every other time I push someone on a siege my game locks target to the siege and I have to hit escape. Every other time I push someone near a wall my game locks target to the wall and I have to hit escape...even my own freaking wall. Every time I put something up for sale it takes a week because no one wants to endure the ridiculous load screens just to find a good price. Half the time I start a group I have to disband it because of group lead bug. Tried to open a heavy sack today for 30seconds and couldn't till I switched weapons. PvP guards stun lock me every time I hit a resource and can't break free. Every 10 minutes I think it's safe to assume I am experience some frustrating bug, and it's not just me.
I am mad, very mad. Every 10 minutes of this game I get pissed. I shouldn't have to experience this. It should be fixed, by now it should be fixed. So I get to experience that every 10minutes on a broken class, that will remain broken for another half year. I am doing the best I can to remain respectful in this environment.
That is just the bugs. That doesn't include the terrible design decisions like prox det that every zerg in the world is cycling. The krag set that lets zergs be as bad as they want and keep coming up like zombies and eventually force flip the flag. Or completely wrecking a class, abandoning them for another half year while leaving stealth nerfs in place till orsinium. Or leaving all magicka classes at the mercy of 50% spell mitigation opponents for half a year. Or these absurd 50% global PvP nerfs in lieu of actual and precise fixes.
We all want better from this game, but we have no idea how to get it at this point except from another game. None of us want to go to another game, we want them to care about this one. We want THIS game to be a good game. If they are ever going to comprehend the mood of the player base we need to be completely open about how we feel about their game within the rules of the forums.
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sirston✭✭✭✭✭We should acted; Console Players are already here, the elder scrolls told of the problems..... the patch's were merely a delay till the time after the beta Closed, when the Accounts of ESO player would spill there own blood.... But ZOS Didn't want to believe, Believe lag even existed And when the truth finally dawn's It dawn's in Nerfs! .....But there is one ZOS fears..in there tong Its The Player community Fus-Less-Lag!
In all real aspect we tried to warm ZOS of there mistakes and they ignored us and made useless costumes and mounts and did nothing as in helping the game. I feared AngryJoe was Right from the beginning, and he saw it as a cash grab I played this game from the first beta till now and I was always Happy to see some sort of progress, I left a few times and got in trouble a few times on the forums
But! I hate seeing a game That I put in I think over 1500 hours of play time and see it fail slowly but surely kinda Sad. i watch my class Go from the Most OP to now a lifeless Husk of it former self Yes DragonKnights are worthless Now.
To me the idea of champion system was probably, Not the best thing for this game.
or lying to your community a lot *Cough* B2P/Getting rid of vet ranks but Don't
But Sirston does not care because Sirston Plays Different Games.
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✭Publius_Scipio wrote: »You know, I leisurely read over this thread, more of a skimming than actual word for word. And there are a few posts here that if I wanted to I'd probably whip up one of my famous posts and rip it to the heavens. But I will not be doing that this morning here, here in NYC home of the NY Mets.
You guys, along with many of your former compadres were saying ESO was on it's death bed back in something like August 2014, and ESO had only officially launched in April of that year. We here in the alliance war subforum are in a vacuum. We see things strictly through myopic eyes of PvP (which now I am officially declaring player vs. player means player vs. Publius). I would venture to say that the PvE aspect of ESO is pretty healthy and providing those that love Elder Scrolls and PvE a satisfactory experience. I am here because way back when (back when my biceps were smaller) a game called Morrowind on Xbox blew my mind. I enjoy PvE as well and from what I see from the Orsinium marketing material that zone really has the scope and feel of Elder Scrolls. In my preliminary opinion, blows all the previous zones away. Just imagine ZOS improving on that and one day (hopefully soon) allowing us to return to Vvardenfell.
So I would really need more evidence on the whole "ESO is dying", "ESO is dead".
Further, all that talk about ZOS is stupid, Rich Lambert doesn't care, Brian Wheeler doesn't understand what PvPers want, etc, is completely ludicrous and pure poppycock. To blanket ZOS with statements like that when all the facts, their internal company discussions, etc etc etc, are not known is pure lunacy. And quite frankly the sign of a stereotypical video game whining sissy. If you don't like what you see, walk away. You been sitting here for over a year and a half talking about game death and leaving yet you are still here. The players that have actually left the game by now and were brining up the same gripes as you have more guts than you. I would even venture to say that pushing aside all the whining, you are still here because you enjoy playing ESO.
And just so you know, Julian Edelman feels the same way I do about all of this. Ask him.
A lot of you should take a page out of Sypher, King Richard, Lefty Lucy (even though he is obsessed with being drunk it seems), and FENGRUSH's book. They discuss the game and what they would like changed, but they don't disrespect ZOS. Think about it! Sypher is what? 19 or 20 years old? Can't even legally consume alcohol and he shows more respect than many of you "adults" here.
Many of you have greatly disappointed me.... Especially Jules and her Haxus Pound Puppies army....
These people you speak so highly of, the big streamers and youtubers, any public figure, or game celebrity if you will. Just because they don't say anything negative about ZOS in public doesn't mean they don't say it. I've talked to several big ESO names, both past and present, and they all agree that ZOS could and should be doing alot better with their game. But they won't say it outloud, that would be stupid to do so and they know it. They've got too much to gain personally and badmouthing ZOS would be a big step back for them and all the people that follow them on twitch, youtube, twitter or w/e.
Example, imagine if somebody like Sypher quit the game, badmouthing ZOS on his way out, do you have any idea how many paying people would follow suit and quit also? Guys like Sypher are why this game still has a decent size playerbase. But that doesn't mean they don't talk about ZOS behind closed doors.
There ARE major issues with this game and it's developers, issues that NEED to be addressed if this game is going to survive the next wave of big MMO's.Edited by Akinos on October 24, 2015 5:32PMPC NA | @AkinosPvP 1vX/Small Scaler, Raid Leader, Youtuber and Twitch.tv Streamer.MAGICKA MELEE IS LIFE!Magplar, MagDK, Magden, Magblade, Magsorc & Magcro PvP/Build videos & moretwitch.tv/akinospvp4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I did not think you´d still be confronted with blind fanboyism in the pvp section of this forum. Sheesh - guess i was wrong
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✭I did not think you´d still be confronted with blind fanboyism in the pvp section of this forum. Sheesh - guess i was wrong
Hope you don't mean me >_>. I agree with you, I was just explaining to the actual fanboy why his favorite eso players don't openly speak negative of ZOS.PC NA | @AkinosPvP 1vX/Small Scaler, Raid Leader, Youtuber and Twitch.tv Streamer.MAGICKA MELEE IS LIFE!Magplar, MagDK, Magden, Magblade, Magsorc & Magcro PvP/Build videos & moretwitch.tv/akinospvp0 -
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✭✭✭Publius_Scipio wrote: »You know, I leisurely read over this thread, more of a skimming than actual word for word. And there are a few posts here that if I wanted to I'd probably whip up one of my famous posts and rip it to the heavens. But I will not be doing that this morning here, here in NYC home of the NY Mets.
You guys, along with many of your former compadres were saying ESO was on it's death bed back in something like August 2014, and ESO had only officially launched in April of that year. We here in the alliance war subforum are in a vacuum. We see things strictly through myopic eyes of PvP (which now I am officially declaring player vs. player means player vs. Publius). I would venture to say that the PvE aspect of ESO is pretty healthy and providing those that love Elder Scrolls and PvE a satisfactory experience. I am here because way back when (back when my biceps were smaller) a game called Morrowind on Xbox blew my mind. I enjoy PvE as well and from what I see from the Orsinium marketing material that zone really has the scope and feel of Elder Scrolls. In my preliminary opinion, blows all the previous zones away. Just imagine ZOS improving on that and one day (hopefully soon) allowing us to return to Vvardenfell.
So I would really need more evidence on the whole "ESO is dying", "ESO is dead".
Further, all that talk about ZOS is stupid, Rich Lambert doesn't care, Brian Wheeler doesn't understand what PvPers want, etc, is completely ludicrous and pure poppycock. To blanket ZOS with statements like that when all the facts, their internal company discussions, etc etc etc, are not known is pure lunacy. And quite frankly the sign of a stereotypical video game whining sissy. If you don't like what you see, walk away. You been sitting here for over a year and a half talking about game death and leaving yet you are still here. The players that have actually left the game by now and were brining up the same gripes as you have more guts than you. I would even venture to say that pushing aside all the whining, you are still here because you enjoy playing ESO.
And just so you know, Julian Edelman feels the same way I do about all of this. Ask him.
A lot of you should take a page out of Sypher, King Richard, Lefty Lucy (even though he is obsessed with being drunk it seems), and FENGRUSH's book. They discuss the game and what they would like changed, but they don't disrespect ZOS. Think about it! Sypher is what? 19 or 20 years old? Can't even legally consume alcohol and he shows more respect than many of you "adults" here.
Many of you have greatly disappointed me.... Especially Jules and her Haxus Pound Puppies army....
These people you speak so highly of, the big streamers and youtubers, any public figure, or game celebrity if you will. Just because they don't say anything negative about ZOS in public doesn't mean they don't say it. I've talked to several big ESO names, both past and present, and they all agree that ZOS could and should be doing alot better with their game. But they won't say it outloud, that would be stupid to do so and they know it. They've got too much to gain personally and badmouthing ZOS would be a big step back for them and all the people that follow them on twitch, youtube, twitter or w/e.
Example, imagine if somebody like Sypher quit the game, badmouthing ZOS on his way out, do you have any idea how many paying people would follow suit and quit also? Guys like Sypher are why this game still has a decent size playerbase. But that doesn't mean they don't talk about ZOS behind closed doors.
There ARE major issues with this game and it's developers, issues that NEED to be addressed if this game is going to survive the next wave of big MMO's.
Respect is not tied to any streaming or anything else. You either show it or you don't. You don't like ESO you go. You like ESO you stay. You don't like ESO, stay, and disrespect the devs.... Clown status.
In my Greek yogurt filled world we have something called disrespect and on the other side of the spectrum something called constructive criticism.Edited by Publius_Scipio on October 24, 2015 5:47PM2 -
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Respect is earned, not given. I've shown plenty respect to this game and ZOS, and I still do somewhat. But that respect and patience with them is slowly but surely dwindling.Publius_Scipio wrote: »Publius_Scipio wrote: »You know, I leisurely read over this thread, more of a skimming than actual word for word. And there are a few posts here that if I wanted to I'd probably whip up one of my famous posts and rip it to the heavens. But I will not be doing that this morning here, here in NYC home of the NY Mets.
You guys, along with many of your former compadres were saying ESO was on it's death bed back in something like August 2014, and ESO had only officially launched in April of that year. We here in the alliance war subforum are in a vacuum. We see things strictly through myopic eyes of PvP (which now I am officially declaring player vs. player means player vs. Publius). I would venture to say that the PvE aspect of ESO is pretty healthy and providing those that love Elder Scrolls and PvE a satisfactory experience. I am here because way back when (back when my biceps were smaller) a game called Morrowind on Xbox blew my mind. I enjoy PvE as well and from what I see from the Orsinium marketing material that zone really has the scope and feel of Elder Scrolls. In my preliminary opinion, blows all the previous zones away. Just imagine ZOS improving on that and one day (hopefully soon) allowing us to return to Vvardenfell.
So I would really need more evidence on the whole "ESO is dying", "ESO is dead".
Further, all that talk about ZOS is stupid, Rich Lambert doesn't care, Brian Wheeler doesn't understand what PvPers want, etc, is completely ludicrous and pure poppycock. To blanket ZOS with statements like that when all the facts, their internal company discussions, etc etc etc, are not known is pure lunacy. And quite frankly the sign of a stereotypical video game whining sissy. If you don't like what you see, walk away. You been sitting here for over a year and a half talking about game death and leaving yet you are still here. The players that have actually left the game by now and were brining up the same gripes as you have more guts than you. I would even venture to say that pushing aside all the whining, you are still here because you enjoy playing ESO.
And just so you know, Julian Edelman feels the same way I do about all of this. Ask him.
A lot of you should take a page out of Sypher, King Richard, Lefty Lucy (even though he is obsessed with being drunk it seems), and FENGRUSH's book. They discuss the game and what they would like changed, but they don't disrespect ZOS. Think about it! Sypher is what? 19 or 20 years old? Can't even legally consume alcohol and he shows more respect than many of you "adults" here.
Many of you have greatly disappointed me.... Especially Jules and her Haxus Pound Puppies army....
These people you speak so highly of, the big streamers and youtubers, any public figure, or game celebrity if you will. Just because they don't say anything negative about ZOS in public doesn't mean they don't say it. I've talked to several big ESO names, both past and present, and they all agree that ZOS could and should be doing alot better with their game. But they won't say it outloud, that would be stupid to do so and they know it. They've got too much to gain personally and badmouthing ZOS would be a big step back for them and all the people that follow them on twitch, youtube, twitter or w/e.
Example, imagine if somebody like Sypher quit the game, badmouthing ZOS on his way out, do you have any idea how many paying people would follow suit and quit also? Guys like Sypher are why this game still has a decent size playerbase. But that doesn't mean they don't talk about ZOS behind closed doors.
There ARE major issues with this game and it's developers, issues that NEED to be addressed if this game is going to survive the next wave of big MMO's.
Respect is not tied to any streaming or anything else. You either show it or you don't. You don't like ESO you go. You like ESO you stay. You don't like ESO, stay, and disrespect the devs.... Clown status.
As for clown status...pretty sure that rank belongs to you with all your sh*tty bicep and greek yogurt jokes.
Edited by Akinos on October 24, 2015 5:50PMPC NA | @AkinosPvP 1vX/Small Scaler, Raid Leader, Youtuber and Twitch.tv Streamer.MAGICKA MELEE IS LIFE!Magplar, MagDK, Magden, Magblade, Magsorc & Magcro PvP/Build videos & moretwitch.tv/akinospvp13 -
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Respect is earned, not given. I've shown plenty respect to this game and ZOS, and I still do somewhat. But that respect and patience with them is slowly but surely dwindling.Publius_Scipio wrote: »Publius_Scipio wrote: »You know, I leisurely read over this thread, more of a skimming than actual word for word. And there are a few posts here that if I wanted to I'd probably whip up one of my famous posts and rip it to the heavens. But I will not be doing that this morning here, here in NYC home of the NY Mets.
You guys, along with many of your former compadres were saying ESO was on it's death bed back in something like August 2014, and ESO had only officially launched in April of that year. We here in the alliance war subforum are in a vacuum. We see things strictly through myopic eyes of PvP (which now I am officially declaring player vs. player means player vs. Publius). I would venture to say that the PvE aspect of ESO is pretty healthy and providing those that love Elder Scrolls and PvE a satisfactory experience. I am here because way back when (back when my biceps were smaller) a game called Morrowind on Xbox blew my mind. I enjoy PvE as well and from what I see from the Orsinium marketing material that zone really has the scope and feel of Elder Scrolls. In my preliminary opinion, blows all the previous zones away. Just imagine ZOS improving on that and one day (hopefully soon) allowing us to return to Vvardenfell.
So I would really need more evidence on the whole "ESO is dying", "ESO is dead".
Further, all that talk about ZOS is stupid, Rich Lambert doesn't care, Brian Wheeler doesn't understand what PvPers want, etc, is completely ludicrous and pure poppycock. To blanket ZOS with statements like that when all the facts, their internal company discussions, etc etc etc, are not known is pure lunacy. And quite frankly the sign of a stereotypical video game whining sissy. If you don't like what you see, walk away. You been sitting here for over a year and a half talking about game death and leaving yet you are still here. The players that have actually left the game by now and were brining up the same gripes as you have more guts than you. I would even venture to say that pushing aside all the whining, you are still here because you enjoy playing ESO.
And just so you know, Julian Edelman feels the same way I do about all of this. Ask him.
A lot of you should take a page out of Sypher, King Richard, Lefty Lucy (even though he is obsessed with being drunk it seems), and FENGRUSH's book. They discuss the game and what they would like changed, but they don't disrespect ZOS. Think about it! Sypher is what? 19 or 20 years old? Can't even legally consume alcohol and he shows more respect than many of you "adults" here.
Many of you have greatly disappointed me.... Especially Jules and her Haxus Pound Puppies army....
These people you speak so highly of, the big streamers and youtubers, any public figure, or game celebrity if you will. Just because they don't say anything negative about ZOS in public doesn't mean they don't say it. I've talked to several big ESO names, both past and present, and they all agree that ZOS could and should be doing alot better with their game. But they won't say it outloud, that would be stupid to do so and they know it. They've got too much to gain personally and badmouthing ZOS would be a big step back for them and all the people that follow them on twitch, youtube, twitter or w/e.
Example, imagine if somebody like Sypher quit the game, badmouthing ZOS on his way out, do you have any idea how many paying people would follow suit and quit also? Guys like Sypher are why this game still has a decent size playerbase. But that doesn't mean they don't talk about ZOS behind closed doors.
There ARE major issues with this game and it's developers, issues that NEED to be addressed if this game is going to survive the next wave of big MMO's.
Respect is not tied to any streaming or anything else. You either show it or you don't. You don't like ESO you go. You like ESO you stay. You don't like ESO, stay, and disrespect the devs.... Clown status.
As for clown status...pretty sure that rank belongs to you with all your sh*tty bicep and greek yogurt jokes.
GIVE RESPECT GET RESPECT. And the devs haven't disrespected any of us.
And who said anything about biceps and greek yogurt being jokes?1 -
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Respect is earned, not given. I've shown plenty respect to this game and ZOS, and I still do somewhat. But that respect and patience with them is slowly but surely dwindling.Publius_Scipio wrote: »Publius_Scipio wrote: »You know, I leisurely read over this thread, more of a skimming than actual word for word. And there are a few posts here that if I wanted to I'd probably whip up one of my famous posts and rip it to the heavens. But I will not be doing that this morning here, here in NYC home of the NY Mets.
You guys, along with many of your former compadres were saying ESO was on it's death bed back in something like August 2014, and ESO had only officially launched in April of that year. We here in the alliance war subforum are in a vacuum. We see things strictly through myopic eyes of PvP (which now I am officially declaring player vs. player means player vs. Publius). I would venture to say that the PvE aspect of ESO is pretty healthy and providing those that love Elder Scrolls and PvE a satisfactory experience. I am here because way back when (back when my biceps were smaller) a game called Morrowind on Xbox blew my mind. I enjoy PvE as well and from what I see from the Orsinium marketing material that zone really has the scope and feel of Elder Scrolls. In my preliminary opinion, blows all the previous zones away. Just imagine ZOS improving on that and one day (hopefully soon) allowing us to return to Vvardenfell.
So I would really need more evidence on the whole "ESO is dying", "ESO is dead".
Further, all that talk about ZOS is stupid, Rich Lambert doesn't care, Brian Wheeler doesn't understand what PvPers want, etc, is completely ludicrous and pure poppycock. To blanket ZOS with statements like that when all the facts, their internal company discussions, etc etc etc, are not known is pure lunacy. And quite frankly the sign of a stereotypical video game whining sissy. If you don't like what you see, walk away. You been sitting here for over a year and a half talking about game death and leaving yet you are still here. The players that have actually left the game by now and were brining up the same gripes as you have more guts than you. I would even venture to say that pushing aside all the whining, you are still here because you enjoy playing ESO.
And just so you know, Julian Edelman feels the same way I do about all of this. Ask him.
A lot of you should take a page out of Sypher, King Richard, Lefty Lucy (even though he is obsessed with being drunk it seems), and FENGRUSH's book. They discuss the game and what they would like changed, but they don't disrespect ZOS. Think about it! Sypher is what? 19 or 20 years old? Can't even legally consume alcohol and he shows more respect than many of you "adults" here.
Many of you have greatly disappointed me.... Especially Jules and her Haxus Pound Puppies army....
These people you speak so highly of, the big streamers and youtubers, any public figure, or game celebrity if you will. Just because they don't say anything negative about ZOS in public doesn't mean they don't say it. I've talked to several big ESO names, both past and present, and they all agree that ZOS could and should be doing alot better with their game. But they won't say it outloud, that would be stupid to do so and they know it. They've got too much to gain personally and badmouthing ZOS would be a big step back for them and all the people that follow them on twitch, youtube, twitter or w/e.
Example, imagine if somebody like Sypher quit the game, badmouthing ZOS on his way out, do you have any idea how many paying people would follow suit and quit also? Guys like Sypher are why this game still has a decent size playerbase. But that doesn't mean they don't talk about ZOS behind closed doors.
There ARE major issues with this game and it's developers, issues that NEED to be addressed if this game is going to survive the next wave of big MMO's.
Respect is not tied to any streaming or anything else. You either show it or you don't. You don't like ESO you go. You like ESO you stay. You don't like ESO, stay, and disrespect the devs.... Clown status.
As for clown status...pretty sure that rank belongs to you with all your sh*tty bicep and greek yogurt jokes.
GIVE RESPECT GET RESPECT. And the devs haven't disrespected any of us.
And who said anything about biceps and greek yogurt being jokes?
I've given plenty of respect and have earned even more from players within the community. But as a magicka templar, and I believe other magicka templars might agree, I feel like the dev's have taken the respect for a class they created, sh*t on it and then set it on fire. All we get is nerf after nerf, it's pretty frustrating sometimes. Hell, we were the only class to have one of it's skills COMPLETELY removed from the game.
The devs probably aren't allowed to go around pointing fingers and naming and shaming their playerbase, that would be a really bad move.
Don't get me wrong buddy, some of your posts have been somewhat humorus, but I think you need some new material. Biceps and greek yogurt can only go so far... I do love me some strawberry greek yogurt though
Edited by Akinos on October 24, 2015 6:05PMPC NA | @AkinosPvP 1vX/Small Scaler, Raid Leader, Youtuber and Twitch.tv Streamer.MAGICKA MELEE IS LIFE!Magplar, MagDK, Magden, Magblade, Magsorc & Magcro PvP/Build videos & moretwitch.tv/akinospvp3 -
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✭✭✭Publius_Scipio wrote: »
Respect is earned, not given. I've shown plenty respect to this game and ZOS, and I still do somewhat. But that respect and patience with them is slowly but surely dwindling.Publius_Scipio wrote: »Publius_Scipio wrote: »You know, I leisurely read over this thread, more of a skimming than actual word for word. And there are a few posts here that if I wanted to I'd probably whip up one of my famous posts and rip it to the heavens. But I will not be doing that this morning here, here in NYC home of the NY Mets.
You guys, along with many of your former compadres were saying ESO was on it's death bed back in something like August 2014, and ESO had only officially launched in April of that year. We here in the alliance war subforum are in a vacuum. We see things strictly through myopic eyes of PvP (which now I am officially declaring player vs. player means player vs. Publius). I would venture to say that the PvE aspect of ESO is pretty healthy and providing those that love Elder Scrolls and PvE a satisfactory experience. I am here because way back when (back when my biceps were smaller) a game called Morrowind on Xbox blew my mind. I enjoy PvE as well and from what I see from the Orsinium marketing material that zone really has the scope and feel of Elder Scrolls. In my preliminary opinion, blows all the previous zones away. Just imagine ZOS improving on that and one day (hopefully soon) allowing us to return to Vvardenfell.
So I would really need more evidence on the whole "ESO is dying", "ESO is dead".
Further, all that talk about ZOS is stupid, Rich Lambert doesn't care, Brian Wheeler doesn't understand what PvPers want, etc, is completely ludicrous and pure poppycock. To blanket ZOS with statements like that when all the facts, their internal company discussions, etc etc etc, are not known is pure lunacy. And quite frankly the sign of a stereotypical video game whining sissy. If you don't like what you see, walk away. You been sitting here for over a year and a half talking about game death and leaving yet you are still here. The players that have actually left the game by now and were brining up the same gripes as you have more guts than you. I would even venture to say that pushing aside all the whining, you are still here because you enjoy playing ESO.
And just so you know, Julian Edelman feels the same way I do about all of this. Ask him.
A lot of you should take a page out of Sypher, King Richard, Lefty Lucy (even though he is obsessed with being drunk it seems), and FENGRUSH's book. They discuss the game and what they would like changed, but they don't disrespect ZOS. Think about it! Sypher is what? 19 or 20 years old? Can't even legally consume alcohol and he shows more respect than many of you "adults" here.
Many of you have greatly disappointed me.... Especially Jules and her Haxus Pound Puppies army....
These people you speak so highly of, the big streamers and youtubers, any public figure, or game celebrity if you will. Just because they don't say anything negative about ZOS in public doesn't mean they don't say it. I've talked to several big ESO names, both past and present, and they all agree that ZOS could and should be doing alot better with their game. But they won't say it outloud, that would be stupid to do so and they know it. They've got too much to gain personally and badmouthing ZOS would be a big step back for them and all the people that follow them on twitch, youtube, twitter or w/e.
Example, imagine if somebody like Sypher quit the game, badmouthing ZOS on his way out, do you have any idea how many paying people would follow suit and quit also? Guys like Sypher are why this game still has a decent size playerbase. But that doesn't mean they don't talk about ZOS behind closed doors.
There ARE major issues with this game and it's developers, issues that NEED to be addressed if this game is going to survive the next wave of big MMO's.
Respect is not tied to any streaming or anything else. You either show it or you don't. You don't like ESO you go. You like ESO you stay. You don't like ESO, stay, and disrespect the devs.... Clown status.
As for clown status...pretty sure that rank belongs to you with all your sh*tty bicep and greek yogurt jokes.
GIVE RESPECT GET RESPECT. And the devs haven't disrespected any of us.
And who said anything about biceps and greek yogurt being jokes?
I've given plenty of respect and have earned even more from players within the community. But as a magicka templar, and I believe other magicka templars might agree, I feel like the dev's have taken the respect for a class they created, sh*t on it and then set it on fire. All we get is nerf after nerf, it's pretty frustrating sometimes. Hell, we were the only class to have one of it's skills COMPLETELY removed from the game.
The devs probably aren't allowed to go around pointing fingers and naming and shaming their playerbase, that would be a really bad move.
Don't get me wrong buddy, some of you're posts have been somewhat humorus, but I think you need some new material. Biceps and greek yogurt can only go so far... I do love me some strawberry greek yogurt though
I think you're struggling with the concept of disrespect and constructive criticism and are equating both to a video game given your post here about magic holy templars and what not. So then you're trying to be the guy the clowns actually go to see for a laugh when they are on their r&r time?
And like I said, who said anything about biceps and Greek yogurt being jokes?Edited by Publius_Scipio on October 24, 2015 6:28PM0 -
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Alomar✭✭✭✭✭The smart ones of us who've been here since launch, 1.5 years pre-launch in every beta test myself, don't care anymore. The tipping point was over 9 months ago where most pvper's who actually stuck with this game realized this sad fact. Many are no longer here, anyone who thinks differently is simply blind, grasping at straws, an over the top fanboy, or hasn't played pvp regularly since launch.
ESO pvp is nothing more to us than a placeholder till the next AAA mmo with decent open world pvp comes along. The closest appears to be Black Desert Online.Edited by Alomar on October 24, 2015 6:35PMHaxus Council Member
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Raizin✭✭✭✭No idea who publis scipio is, but everytime i read his white knight respond.. i always think.. this guy is paid by zos, to defend them at all times no matter what happends..
Because scipio never ever faced any kind of lag in the game and he never ever had issues with game beein unplayable constantly for over a 1,5 year cuz of lagging and other issues..No! That has never happend to Scipio! EVER!
Dude get a reality check, nobody is disrespecting ZoS in here, OP simply said whats the reality and that u wont change even with your *** yogurt ... Theres rly no point trying to def ZoS in this, the fault is on their part and its so obvious its painful.. Instead of focusing their effort on fixing the issue we get new crown store items on daily basis almost and some honey pot messages from ZoS team that their 100v100 bot fights are totaly fine.. or whatever
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✭✭✭No idea who publis scipio is, but everytime i read his white knight respond.. i always think.. this guy is paid by zos, to defend them at all times no matter what happends..
Because scipio never ever faced any kind of lag in the game and he never ever had issues with game beein unplayable constantly for over a 1,5 year cuz of lagging and other issues..No! That has never happend to Scipio! EVER!
Dude get a reality check, nobody is disrespecting ZoS in here, OP simply said whats the reality and that u wont change even with your *** yogurt ... Theres rly no point trying to def ZoS in this, the fault is on their part and its so obvious its painful.. Instead of focusing their effort on fixing the issue we get new crown store items on daily basis almost and some honey pot messages from ZoS team that their 100v100 bot fights are totaly fine.. or whatever
(sry about grammar i m in hurry to walk away)
So your fingers ran way too fast for whatever it was that was trying to come from your mind.
You want reality. YOU AND I, NO ONE HERE BUT ZOS knows whatever is going on internally in their offices. No one here knows what management has allowed anyone, Rich Lambert, Brian Wheeler, Gina Bruno, etc to say or not say. So let's get that one fact completely clear. There is nothing here about what opinion you or anyone else holds. It is completely about the extremely disrespectful way MANY here have been to ZOS and individual ZOS employees in particular more than a handful of times. You following me so far Raisinette?
A long time ago they said they would implement some changes to help combat lag and they kept their promise and lag has improved. Unless you going to prove it hasn't? ZOS never said O WE HAVE THE ULTIMATE FIX FOR LAG!!!!! They said they are working and looking at what they can do to help the situation and they continue to do so. If ZOS's answer and timeline for things doesn't work for you then leave. But you'd rather sit here after a year and a half and continue pointing the finger at ZOS "EHHHH ZOS!!! EHHH!!!! YOU GUYS!!!! YOU GUYS SUCK!!!!! MAN!!!!!"
Like I said above, those in the ESO community that said their peace and walked away when they said they would have more guts than you.
And if you want a tip from me Raisins, replace your consumption of processed sugars with a daily bowl of Greek yogurt and you just might start feeling better about yourself and the world.Edited by Publius_Scipio on October 24, 2015 7:34PM1 -
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✭✭✭✭In this I am glad someone disagrees with me. I mean I still disagree about where we are at, but at least someone thinks differently then how I feel right now.Edited by Armitas on October 24, 2015 7:42PMRetired.
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