Blazing Shield & Bastion CP

Molag_Crow · October 2015

Does Bastion effect Blazing Shield's absorb effect in PvP with the absorb debuff from Battle Spirit? as I don't feel that there's a difference. I put 28 points into it (Increases the effectiveness of damage absorbing effects by 10%) so if for example I'm 22,000 health, wouldn't that be 25% absorb and 5500 damage absorb?

Dracane · October 2015

CrowsDescend wrote: »

@Dracane Hmm.. well, I don't know if my calculations are right -- Blazing Shield absorbs up to 15% of my max health, so I assume the 10% from Bastion causes my shield to increase by 25% instead, equaling in 5.5k damage absorb with 22,000 health, or am I getting confused? lol

Noooo

that would be OP.
No. let's say, 30% of your max health (blazing shield's strenght) is 3000. If you have Bastion on 100 (24%) then your shield will be 3720 . This percentage is added to the strenght of your shield, not to how it scales with your health

EDIT: Just to explain it further, with each point you spend into the warrior signs, your max health increases a bit. This increases the value of your blazing shield and this value is also affected by the Bastion passive.

DeanTheCat · October 2015

Let's say you have 30k health (Using round numbers for easier calculations).

Due to the battle spirit debuff, your blazing shield will provide a 15% shield instead of 30%. This means that you'll have a 4500 base ward.

30000 * 0.15 = 4500

As you have a 10% increase in effectiveness of wards, this new value will be increased by 10%. This results in you having a 4950 point ward.

4500 * 1.1 = 4950

When the ward shatters, 2623 damage will be dealt to nearby enemies. This value is unaffected by the battle spirit nerf, after a change on the PTS due to concerns of a "Double nerf" due to battle spirit.

4950 * 0.53 = 2623.5 ≈ 2623

Now, if you were surrounded by 5 enemies. As Blazing Shield increases the strength of the shield by 4% for each nearby enemy, you'll have an effective ward strength of 7500.

(30000 * (0.3 + (0.04 * 5))) * 0.5 = 7500

With a 10% increase in effectiveness of wards, the new modified ward strength is 8250.

7500 * 1.1 = 8250

This will result in 4372 damage being dealt to nearby enemies when the ward shatters.

8250 * 0.53 = 4372.5 ≈ 4372

Dracane · October 2015

It affects blazing shield. The difference becomes more obvious as you max it out. This passive is something everyone using shields should max out in my opinion. Otherwise it's not so effective

Molag_Crow · October 2015

@Dracane Hmm.. well, I don't know if my calculations are right -- Blazing Shield absorbs up to 15% of my max health, so I assume the 10% from Bastion causes my shield to increase by 25% instead, equaling in 5.5k damage absorb with 22,000 health, or am I getting confused? lol

Molag_Crow · October 2015

@DeanTheCat and @Dracane, thanks a lot.. that makes sense. My maths sucks lol

I think I'll invest in 30k health then!

Dracane · October 2015

CrowsDescend wrote: »

@DeanTheCat and @Dracane, thanks a lot.. that makes sense. My maths sucks lol

I think I'll invest in 30k health then!

You could use Ecplise and binding light then to support your damage output.
Ecplise becomes better the more damage your oponent deals and binding light is OP burst when used right.
Just an idea how to still deal good damage. I wish, Ecplise would also work against physical attacks.

Yet another proof for stamina bias in this game. Everything counters magic, nothing counters stamina.
And I wish, they would make interrupts less overpowered. They should follow CC immunity just like any other CC. So we would finally see more Templar casters, as they have so much potential to be strong. But no, crushing shock spam spam spam, bash bash bash bash. Pf, so ridiculous

DeanTheCat · October 2015

Dracane wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

@DeanTheCat and @Dracane, thanks a lot.. that makes sense. My maths sucks lol

I think I'll invest in 30k health then!

You could use Ecplise and binding light then to support your damage output.
Ecplise becomes better the more damage your oponent deals and binding light is OP burst when used right.
Just an idea how to still deal good damage. I wish, Ecplise would also work against physical attacks.

Yet another proof for stamina bias in this game. Everything counters magic, nothing counters stamina.

@Dracane, Blinding Light has gone the way of the dodo, and has been replaced with Radiant Destruction. What you are looking for is Backlash

Also, if you are using Eclipse, use Unstable Core morph. Unstable Core has a far more subtle animation, which instead of a big black ball yelling at your opponent to CC-break, it replaces it with a subtle golden glow around the target's arms. It's nearly impossible to spot the new animation of Unstable Core, especially in the heat of a large battle.

@CrowsDescend: If you truly want to kill people with your Blazing Shield, go for 50k+ health. A certain AD templar is rather infamous for blowing up anyone who tries to melee him, due to his 61k health as a non-emperor.

Dracane · October 2015

DeanTheCat wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

@DeanTheCat and @Dracane, thanks a lot.. that makes sense. My maths sucks lol

I think I'll invest in 30k health then!

You could use Ecplise and binding light then to support your damage output.
Ecplise becomes better the more damage your oponent deals and binding light is OP burst when used right.
Just an idea how to still deal good damage. I wish, Ecplise would also work against physical attacks.

Yet another proof for stamina bias in this game. Everything counters magic, nothing counters stamina.

@Dracane, Blinding Light has gone the way of the dodo, and has been replaced with Radiant Destruction. What you are looking for is Backlash

Also, if you are using Eclipse, use Unstable Core morph. Unstable Core has a far more subtle animation, which instead of a big black ball yelling at your opponent to CC-break, it replaces it with a subtle golden glow around the target's arms. It's nearly impossible to spot the new animation of Unstable Core, especially in the heat of a large battle.

@CrowsDescend: If you truly want to kill people with your Blazing Shield, go for 50k+ health. A certain AD templar is rather infamous for blowing up anyone who tries to melee him, due to his 61k health as a non-emperor.

Excuse me, I was talking about Backlash (purifying light)
Always get these names wrong.

Dracane · October 2015

Woa imagine 50k+ health on a templar or even more. Your shield will be giant, your health pool almost impossible to deplead in time and your shield will just nuke things. Yet few people are clever enough to think of such things.

Molag_Crow · October 2015

Lmao... I can imagine that. I'm not particularly trying to kill people with Blazing Shield though, it's just that I feel weak against 2-4 enemy players, with 22k health, they can literally 1 shot me so I'm eating food instead of regen drinks for 28-30k health now, not like that makes much of a difference but yeah.

Dracane · October 2015

CrowsDescend wrote: »

Lmao... I can imagine that. I'm not particularly trying to kill people with Blazing Shield though, it's just that I feel weak against 2-4 enemy players, with 22k health, they can literally 1 shot me so I'm eating food instead of regen drinks for 28-30k health now, not like that makes much of a difference but yeah.

If you want a shield build, use Ward Ally (morph of steadfast ward) and any morph of annulment, depending on how good your Magicka managment is.

Ward Ally because if you want to maintain strong shields, you want to stay at low health to always have a strong Damage shield, it will be unbreakeable basically. You should also combine this with the 120 points passive from the Ritual if you can effort it. Really really strong combos here.

Molag_Crow · October 2015

I doubt I'll go for a shield build tbh but thanks for the tips, as I'm gonna continue using DW (1h swords) for the spell damage and resto staff offhand, but what's weird is that my blazing shield now says "increase by 17% of your max health" instead of 15% hmmm :P

Howl · October 2015

CrowsDescend wrote: »

I doubt I'll go for a shield build tbh but thanks for the tips, as I'm gonna continue using DW (1h swords) for the spell damage and resto staff offhand, but what's weird is that my blazing shield now says "increase by 17% of your max health" instead of 15% hmmm :P

That's your 15% base plus your 10% Bastion bonus, which is 16.5% and is rounded up on the tooltip.

Molag_Crow · October 2015

Howl wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

I doubt I'll go for a shield build tbh but thanks for the tips, as I'm gonna continue using DW (1h swords) for the spell damage and resto staff offhand, but what's weird is that my blazing shield now says "increase by 17% of your max health" instead of 15% hmmm :P

That's your 15% base plus your 10% Bastion bonus, which is 16.5% and is rounded up on the tooltip.

I figured... thanks.

Molag_Crow · October 2015

@Dracane

So when it all comes down to it, you either go for an actual, proper build based around Blazing Shield, or you don't use it, I guess...

The reason why, is because the shield just doesn't absorb enough damage to even get off any damage ability, especially puncturing sweeps $:\$ (tested it our for like an hour)

For the record, I'm 5 light (Phoenix, gold) 2 heavy (magnus, gold) willpower one-handed swords, necklace and Cyrodiil's light rings. I'm not following any particular builds, I'm basically just using what works for me and so far, I have no trouble in 1v1, but I like to 1v[x], I find it fun, so that's why I was giving blazing shield a try just so I can actually survive through CC since I can break out of all kinds of CC when I use a drink, but then my health is only 22k and I get blown up in an instant (with drinks) so yeah...

DeanTheCat · October 2015

CrowsDescend wrote: »

@Dracane

So when it all comes down to it, you either go for an actual, proper build based around Blazing Shield, or you don't use it, I guess...

The reason why, is because the shield just doesn't absorb enough damage to even get off any damage ability, especially puncturing sweeps $:\$ (tested it our for like an hour)

For the record, I'm 5 light (Phoenix, gold) 2 heavy (magnus, gold) willpower one-handed swords, necklace and Cyrodiil's light rings. I'm not following any particular builds, I'm basically just using what works for me and so far, I have no trouble in 1v1, but I like to 1v[x], I find it fun, so that's why I was giving blazing shield a try just so I can actually survive through CC since I can break out of all kinds of CC when I use a drink, but then my health is only 22k and I get blown up in an instant (with drinks) so yeah...

Pretty much that. Blazing Shield really needs high investment to be able to use it effectively, and this investment means 50k+ health. This will leave you with a rather poor magicka pool, which means all you'll be doing is spamming Blazing Shield and Restoration Staff heavy attacks. You'll essentially be what is known as a "Bombplar", which has only one role. Get into the middle of a group of enemies, spam blazing shield and hope that you can kill them before they kill you.

Molag_Crow · October 2015

DeanTheCat wrote: »

CrowsDescend wrote: »

@Dracane

So when it all comes down to it, you either go for an actual, proper build based around Blazing Shield, or you don't use it, I guess...

The reason why, is because the shield just doesn't absorb enough damage to even get off any damage ability, especially puncturing sweeps $:\$ (tested it our for like an hour)

For the record, I'm 5 light (Phoenix, gold) 2 heavy (magnus, gold) willpower one-handed swords, necklace and Cyrodiil's light rings. I'm not following any particular builds, I'm basically just using what works for me and so far, I have no trouble in 1v1, but I like to 1v[x], I find it fun, so that's why I was giving blazing shield a try just so I can actually survive through CC since I can break out of all kinds of CC when I use a drink, but then my health is only 22k and I get blown up in an instant (with drinks) so yeah...

Pretty much that. Blazing Shield really needs high investment to be able to use it effectively, and this investment means 50k+ health. This will leave you with a rather poor magicka pool, which means all you'll be doing is spamming Blazing Shield and Restoration Staff heavy attacks. You'll essentially be what is known as a "Bombplar", which has only one role. Get into the middle of a group of enemies, spam blazing shield and hope that you can kill them before they kill you.

I like that, "Bombplar" ... makes sense. I'll continue to experiment anyways, but for now... good bye Blazing Shield, once more!

Dracane · October 2015

CrowsDescend wrote: »

@Dracane

So when it all comes down to it, you either go for an actual, proper build based around Blazing Shield, or you don't use it, I guess...

The reason why, is because the shield just doesn't absorb enough damage to even get off any damage ability, especially puncturing sweeps $:\$ (tested it our for like an hour)

For the record, I'm 5 light (Phoenix, gold) 2 heavy (magnus, gold) willpower one-handed swords, necklace and Cyrodiil's light rings. I'm not following any particular builds, I'm basically just using what works for me and so far, I have no trouble in 1v1, but I like to 1v[x], I find it fun, so that's why I was giving blazing shield a try just so I can actually survive through CC since I can break out of all kinds of CC when I use a drink, but then my health is only 22k and I get blown up in an instant (with drinks) so yeah...

Because you don't even need it. Templars has so strong self heals and heal options, that you don't need a strong shield.Blazing shield is fine for this class.

If you decide to go for a tanky health build, this shield will be very strong and also deal tons of damage. So no matter which way you choose, you will be able to take a lot of damage and all other classes rely on non-class shields to survive. Templar should be no exception.

Baconlad · December 2015

Blazing shield for me hits for 10k crits *sometimes. Most of the time its 6-7k crit and about 4-6 non crit. I'm not optimized as in not wearing porper gear and such, I could get to 60+ health if I tried which I think is my goal. I also have 100 points into bastion. My shield states that it shield 19% health in pvp, almost 40% in pve. So...in pve my shield doesn't get depleted before time runs out on it, and in pvp, my shield smacks hard, confuses people with the damage it does. ( really, they back off and stop damage) hilarious! But you do have to build specifically for this skill....but its great fun to do my bombing tactics again, too bad magic set sucks for me...=(

Baconlad · December 2015

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Essiaga · December 2015

DeanTheCat wrote: »
Let's say you have 30k health (Using round numbers for easier calculations).

Due to the battle spirit debuff, your blazing shield will provide a 15% shield instead of 30%. This means that you'll have a 4500 base ward.
30000 * 0.15 = 4500
As you have a 10% increase in effectiveness of wards, this new value will be increased by 10%. This results in you having a 4950 point ward.
4500 * 1.1 = 4950
When the ward shatters, 2623 damage will be dealt to nearby enemies. This value is unaffected by the battle spirit nerf, after a change on the PTS due to concerns of a "Double nerf" due to battle spirit.
4950 * 0.53 = 2623.5 ≈ 2623
Now, if you were surrounded by 5 enemies. As Blazing Shield increases the strength of the shield by 4% for each nearby enemy, you'll have an effective ward strength of 7500.
(30000 * (0.3 + (0.04 * 5))) * 0.5 = 7500
With a 10% increase in effectiveness of wards, the new modified ward strength is 8250.
7500 * 1.1 = 8250
This will result in 4372 damage being dealt to nearby enemies when the ward shatters.
8250 * 0.53 = 4372.5 ≈ 4372

To much calculations on Sun Shield. Nerf shields in pvp to make it weaker with out reducing the cost so it not used and that will increase server performance. I would get out my white board and explain this by Brian Wheeler already has.

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