Dracane wrote: »

TheNephilimCrow wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

TheNephilimCrow wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

And Magicka Nightblades have strong damage shields on top and Stamblades can roll dodge all the time and have Vigor. Nightblades are not squishy, this is the biggest lie of all. Nightblade can be the hardest class to kill.

They have damage shields? I would like to know what skill that is, because anything remotely similar to a damage shield is Mirage and that's just a physical resistance buff that has a 30 second duration including 20% dodge rate.

And, Nightblades are squishy. It is not a lie just because you say it is. Where I can argue that statement, I would be more inclined to agree with "Nightblades can be made tanks." versus all nightblades not being squishy. The typical Nightblade runs medium armor and possible one or two heavy pieces. The ones that wear medium armor and light armor are the squishiest. Leaving only the solo heavy armor wearer being the tank. Though, this can be said about any class. Hell, my old sorcerer was a tank.

I've said it time and time again that Cloak is not the issue. Cloak does no damage, cloak is EASILY counterable and despite mainly claims in the contrary, Cloak doesn't last forever.

You can't just cloak out and run whenever you feel like it, there are limits to this already. If you are in the middle of a fight and being CC'd, mid swing in an attack or taking damage, you can't cloak. Granted in some skills you can animation cancel and then cloak, but more often, animation cancelling to cloak will cause you to take damage from whoever you are fighting.

Any CC, Root or AoE can pull a NB out of cloak. Don't believe me? Grab a friend and test it out. You don't have to just buy/make dect pots or even use Radiant Magelight. Each and every class, including nightblade, has an AoE or a CC that pulls people out of cloak. Also worth mentioning, with the recent update, certain CC/Roots now properly damage NB's while cloaked, on top of pulling them out of it. So, you now can damage and CC and REVEAL them if you just use your skills that ZOS provided.

What I don't understand is why people are so quick to jump to nerf threads to complain instead of actually learning how to play the game as it is intended. This community really disappoints me sometimes.

Harness Magicka and Healing Ward. You can't always look at your class skills to justify your Pro-Nightblade-Supremacy campaign. You have acces to these shields and they make you immortal combined with cloak. Which is because healing ward is a broken ability.

Just like wrecking blow (a non class ability) is the backbone of most stamina builds and Vigor (a non class heal) is essential for each stamina build. You must consider synergies between your class arsenal and other skill lines.
Sorcerer would be a joke if there wasn't force shock (which actually is a joke itself)

With that being said, you can't just look at your class abilities and call it a day. All of that would be true, if there were no weapon abilities etc. But this is not the case.

PS: no, a root does not pull Nbs out of cloak. grab a friend and encase him and see what happens. Cloak does not get destroyed. I imagine talons can indeed destroy cloak, because they also deal damage for some silly reason.

First off, Harness Magicka and Healing Ward are not Nightblade damage shields as you say. Those are available to anyone. That's your first strike. Wrecking Blow and Vigor is strike number two, because you change it from Magblade to Stamblade.

And, thirdly, I have ran tests for all the CCs, Roots, AoE and DoT and they DO pull them out.

You sit there and say that I can't just look at Nightblade skills, but that what all of you are saying to look at. That Nightblades need the nerf. Not the weapons, which again are available for everyone, Nightblades use. Your argument is invalid.

I'm glad we all can came to terms with the fact that it isn't nightblades that are OP but the weapons we can all use.

There is no strike. My point was, that all of that is available for Nightblades and it's making them super strong due to their given class skills. If you refuse to use it, strike for me.

1 single look at Nightblade passives is enough..... how 1 single class can get so many strong passives is beyond me.

That's fine. If you want to change the intial argument to the tools everyone can use is overpowered, then request ZOS nerf the tools. Not the class. That isn't fair to the class that the tools are overpowered. Even if combined together. Though, your argument that Nightblades in themselves or their skills being OP, is completely absurd given your defense.

CP5 wrote: »

WreckfulAbandon wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

I just find it all interesting that when sorcs, a class designed to stay mobile and generally keep their distance uses their class defining abilities to do so people complain that the sorc ran away, and when some sorcs said that nerfing bolt escape for the upteenth time was excessive people told them to adapt and that if they were against a bolt nerf that the sorcs 'just wanted to keep their easy mode playstyle'.

Now that ZOS so much as mentions NB's and nerfs in the same post the forums explode with all the people clammering that others just need to l2p all the time. When DK's kept scales up at almost all times, negating their weakness of range they told others to l2p (which generally included kindly stepping into the dk's banner garden to fight in melee range) but that didn't work for them. And if people still believe sorcerer's are in a good place after all the nerfs the class has gotten, i'm sure poor old nightblades can survive getting a nerf for once. I doubt it however, ZOS seems to have a thing for the class.

Revenge!!! amirite? (you don't have to answer that, I'm totally right on that)

I didn't ask for nerfs to bolt, my sorc is noticeably less mobile but it didn't kill the class. Please stop assuming ppl defending cloak are the same ones who asked for nerfs to bolt escape.

I'm not, i'm just pointing out how laughable this all is. NB's are the only class to recently avoid getting hit by a nerf bat, it shows, and ZOS will not likely change that fact. It's amusing that some NB's (not all) are quick to jump to cloaks defense when in the past if another class was up to nerf-bat they told them to adapt.

Smoke. You have proof of these polls? Name some people for us. I find it amusing you think an entire company puts Night Blades up on the high horse because they can .....Clearly you gave up on being reasonable/logical in the situation and just here to point fingers at stuff.

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CP5 wrote: »

WreckfulAbandon wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

I just find it all interesting that when sorcs, a class designed to stay mobile and generally keep their distance uses their class defining abilities to do so people complain that the sorc ran away, and when some sorcs said that nerfing bolt escape for the upteenth time was excessive people told them to adapt and that if they were against a bolt nerf that the sorcs 'just wanted to keep their easy mode playstyle'.

Now that ZOS so much as mentions NB's and nerfs in the same post the forums explode with all the people clammering that others just need to l2p all the time. When DK's kept scales up at almost all times, negating their weakness of range they told others to l2p (which generally included kindly stepping into the dk's banner garden to fight in melee range) but that didn't work for them. And if people still believe sorcerer's are in a good place after all the nerfs the class has gotten, i'm sure poor old nightblades can survive getting a nerf for once. I doubt it however, ZOS seems to have a thing for the class.

Revenge!!! amirite? (you don't have to answer that, I'm totally right on that)

I didn't ask for nerfs to bolt, my sorc is noticeably less mobile but it didn't kill the class. Please stop assuming ppl defending cloak are the same ones who asked for nerfs to bolt escape.

I'm not, i'm just pointing out how laughable this all is. NB's are the only class to recently avoid getting hit by a nerf bat, it shows, and ZOS will not likely change that fact. It's amusing that some NB's (not all) are quick to jump to cloaks defense when in the past if another class was up to nerf-bat they told them to adapt.

Smoke. You have proof of these polls? Name some people for us. I find it amusing you think an entire company puts Night Blades up on the high horse because they can .....Clearly you gave up on being reasonable/logical in the situation and just here to point fingers at stuff.

NB's have been a main point of ZOS's bug fixing attention, and over the course of the games live run the class has received many bug fixes and buffs. DK's and Sorcs have gotten many nerfs and templars know how their bug history has been going. Were you around for the span of time 'forum blades' would take over threads on a daily basis to get attention their way?

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It's this thread again! I wonder what happens if you gap close a NB and then use an aoe. Or use a detect pot. Or throw down caltrops on top of where the NB was a second ago. Or use radiant magelight and then keep gap closing on them once they come out of stealth.

or just gap close them; that alone breaks cloak half the time.

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AgentCrayon wrote: »

I don't have enough alchemy skill to make detect potions and mags light takes up a previous slot (on PS4), no idea what caltrops are either.

Maybe my build isn't the best as I never played on PC, but I genuinely think NB with the cloak skill are the hardest to fight in PVP, especially when they can heal whilst cloaked...

"when they can heal whist cloaked" the only possible way would be with an HoT that takes time to take full effect, or with a potion that has a cooldown.

Think about it, you are asking for a class without a self heal and without a damage shield, to have its main means of escape and survival be taken away. I will let you think on that and realize your mistake.

"then when it gets too much they can cloak and wait for another opportunity" this is no different than a DK using dragon blood when on low health, or a templar using one of their many heals when on low health, or a sorc using BE when on low health. Cloak is the NBs mean of survival. It only lasts 2.5 seconds and has quite a few ways of being broken(AOE attacks, magelight, flare if you can pull it off, detect pots, heck even just plain ole gap closing breaks it about half the time, or another NB with piercing mark)

You are asking for the NB to lose its ONLY METHOD of getting out of a tight spot. Playing without a decent self heal or damage shield is hard enough as it is. People do well with NBs not because they are OP; its more likely that its people that have played the NB for a VERY long time and have perfected their craft. The NB is the hardest class to play in this game, and will remain so unless it gets a decent self heal/damage shield. If you take away cloak, its only fair to give the class a self heal/damage shield to make up for it. Roll one if you must and try it for yourself.

Shadow image is a longer range teleport (compared to bolt) that doesn't require los. Place that somewhere, have the dark and transparent guy sit there as you kite those following you around a wall or any other cover, then port back to it. Or is a teleport like that, that moves you out of your enemies effective range to do anything not a method to get out of a tight spot?

Fyi to those whom read my post.

My point was NB has become just cloak and one or two abilities.

But then again same can be said of a stam temp or a stam sorc ... or a stam dk.

WB is too strong while the rest of the tree is too weak.

To the question of how many WBs till I die? When attacked without me knowing its coming is 2. I have had those WB do over 11k per hit. Getting hit outta stealth followed by another is gg.

If I see it coming I can actually play around or against it

And never had any such spammable move do 11k dmg in PvP b4

@Emma_Eunjung so you want them to nerf stuff because you don't have the abilities to counter the cloak? I don't know about that logic. How do you know how well or poorly caltrops works against cloak if you don't have it?

Cloak is the only thing that keeps me alive, well sometimes at least.

Dracane wrote: »

TheNephilimCrow wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

And Magicka Nightblades have strong damage shields on top and Stamblades can roll dodge all the time and have Vigor. Nightblades are not squishy, this is the biggest lie of all. Nightblade can be the hardest class to kill.

They have damage shields? I would like to know what skill that is, because anything remotely similar to a damage shield is Mirage and that's just a physical resistance buff that has a 30 second duration including 20% dodge rate.

And, Nightblades are squishy. It is not a lie just because you say it is. Where I can argue that statement, I would be more inclined to agree with "Nightblades can be made tanks." versus all nightblades not being squishy. The typical Nightblade runs medium armor and possible one or two heavy pieces. The ones that wear medium armor and light armor are the squishiest. Leaving only the solo heavy armor wearer being the tank. Though, this can be said about any class. Hell, my old sorcerer was a tank.

I've said it time and time again that Cloak is not the issue. Cloak does no damage, cloak is EASILY counterable and despite mainly claims in the contrary, Cloak doesn't last forever.

You can't just cloak out and run whenever you feel like it, there are limits to this already. If you are in the middle of a fight and being CC'd, mid swing in an attack or taking damage, you can't cloak. Granted in some skills you can animation cancel and then cloak, but more often, animation cancelling to cloak will cause you to take damage from whoever you are fighting.

Any CC, Root or AoE can pull a NB out of cloak. Don't believe me? Grab a friend and test it out. You don't have to just buy/make dect pots or even use Radiant Magelight. Each and every class, including nightblade, has an AoE or a CC that pulls people out of cloak. Also worth mentioning, with the recent update, certain CC/Roots now properly damage NB's while cloaked, on top of pulling them out of it. So, you now can damage and CC and REVEAL them if you just use your skills that ZOS provided.

What I don't understand is why people are so quick to jump to nerf threads to complain instead of actually learning how to play the game as it is intended. This community really disappoints me sometimes.

Harness Magicka and Healing Ward. You can't always look at your class skills to justify your Pro-Nightblade-Supremacy campaign. You have acces to these shields and they make you immortal combined with cloak. Which is because healing ward is a broken ability.

Just like wrecking blow (a non class ability) is the backbone of most stamina builds and Vigor (a non class heal) is essential for each stamina build. You must consider synergies between your class arsenal and other skill lines.
Sorcerer would be a joke if there wasn't force shock (which actually is a joke itself)

With that being said, you can't just look at your class abilities and call it a day. All of that would be true, if there were no weapon abilities etc. But this is not the case.

PS: no, a root does not pull Nbs out of cloak. grab a friend and encase him and see what happens. Cloak does not get destroyed. I imagine talons can indeed destroy cloak, because they also deal damage for some silly reason.

every single shield you listed is not a NB shield. If those are your issue, then complain about those particular abilities, not NBs. Sorcs use damage shields more effectively than the other 3 classes, yet you want to complain about NBs doing it?

"pro NB supremacy campaign" so defending the class is me advocating NB supremacy? I have seen many NB defenses and have not once saw "the NB is the superior class" in them. I have seen "its a harder class to play" but that does not mean its "better"

"you have to consider skills used in synergy with non-class skills" that does not excuse the cries for cloak nerfs. Every class has an "emergency ability" or whatever one prefers to call it. Dks is dragon blood, sorc is Bolt Escape, Templar is their superior self heals, and NB is cloak. Taking away cloak would weaken the NB severely, to the point the class would not be competitive. Vigor is an HoT whose heal is easily negated and is only good for stamina based NBs, whom can only use cloak 3-4 times; and they usually don't, because they still need magicka for Fear and other magic abilties, so in reality, a stamina NB cloaks maybe 1-2 times in a fight. . Healing ward works at its best when one's health is at the execution stage, meaning one has to be near death or on low health to use it. Every other heal besides those is an HoT or it requires a great effort to use. and none are in the NB skill lines. So no, NBs DO NOT have reliable self heals nor damage shields. Cloak is our means of survival. If cloak is removed then it will only be fair for Dragon blood, the templar heals, and Bolt Escape to be removed as well.

It astounds me that people consider a 2.5 second long cloak OP yet have absolutely nothing to say to the fact that people can stack damage shields to the point it gives them a 2nd health bar while still being able to put out high offensive capability. people would rather complain about a 2.5 second long cloak that only works half of the time, STILL TO THIS DAY, than things such as lag, population imbalance, abilities that are useless and need overhauling, and other more important things. Let me know once you come up with a class based damage shield or a class based self heal that can replace cloak once its nerfed(as i've asked two other people)

im done, i've said enough. The nerfs will likely come regardless, thank Sithis I have switched classes; at least I won't have to endure the crippling NB nerfs that will turn it into the equivalent of the 1.5 and beforehand templar. Do me a favor and research the class before you make another complaint. Heck you can even go so far as to roll one and try it for yourself. I rolled a DK back when people were calling it OP and discovered that most of the complaints were wrong. The same will happen with you. I am not saying you will stop complaining about the class, but you will at least have the knowledge required to make them.

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@Emma_Eunjung so you want them to nerf stuff because you don't have the abilities to counter the cloak? I don't know about that logic. How do you know how well or poorly caltrops works against cloak if you don't have it?

My point is that Caltrops DOESN'T WORK AT ALL if you don't have it! [snip] is so hard to understand about that?

None of the other "OP" class abilities are as big a pain as Cloak. DK flappy wings are annoying, but it's no big deal for my Sorc to use attacks that can't be reflected. I don't have to gimp my build or use expensive potions to deal with DKs. Same thing goes for Templars. Jabs is annoying, but there isn't anything Templars DO that requires any special "counters" that screw up your build.

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Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

Infinite12 wrote: »

@Emma_Eunjung so you want them to nerf stuff because you don't have the abilities to counter the cloak? I don't know about that logic. How do you know how well or poorly caltrops works against cloak if you don't have it?

My point is that Caltrops DOESN'T WORK AT ALL if you don't have it! WTF is so hard to understand about that?

None of the other "OP" class abilities are as big a pain as Cloak. DK flappy wings are annoying, but it's no big deal for my Sorc to use attacks that can't be reflected. I don't have to gimp my build or use expensive potions to deal with DKs. Same thing goes for Templars. Jabs is annoying, but there isn't anything Templars DO that requires any special "counters" that screw up your build.

We do heal allot I love templar, when playing against them with an alt, its a pain in the **** though, to shoot them down to 10% health, and by the time I get my next attack ready, they are full health I would much rather fight a nightblade that goes invisible from time to time, but is easy to find (unless they ran away, which is in no way OP, its escaping and running away) than another templar, when I know we will both stand there hurting each other and then healing until somebodies magic runs out I templar! We are the best of course

CP5 wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

AgentCrayon wrote: »

I don't have enough alchemy skill to make detect potions and mags light takes up a previous slot (on PS4), no idea what caltrops are either.

Maybe my build isn't the best as I never played on PC, but I genuinely think NB with the cloak skill are the hardest to fight in PVP, especially when they can heal whilst cloaked...

"when they can heal whist cloaked" the only possible way would be with an HoT that takes time to take full effect, or with a potion that has a cooldown.

Think about it, you are asking for a class without a self heal and without a damage shield, to have its main means of escape and survival be taken away. I will let you think on that and realize your mistake.

"then when it gets too much they can cloak and wait for another opportunity" this is no different than a DK using dragon blood when on low health, or a templar using one of their many heals when on low health, or a sorc using BE when on low health. Cloak is the NBs mean of survival. It only lasts 2.5 seconds and has quite a few ways of being broken(AOE attacks, magelight, flare if you can pull it off, detect pots, heck even just plain ole gap closing breaks it about half the time, or another NB with piercing mark)

You are asking for the NB to lose its ONLY METHOD of getting out of a tight spot. Playing without a decent self heal or damage shield is hard enough as it is. People do well with NBs not because they are OP; its more likely that its people that have played the NB for a VERY long time and have perfected their craft. The NB is the hardest class to play in this game, and will remain so unless it gets a decent self heal/damage shield. If you take away cloak, its only fair to give the class a self heal/damage shield to make up for it. Roll one if you must and try it for yourself.

Shadow image is a longer range teleport (compared to bolt) that doesn't require los. Place that somewhere, have the dark and transparent guy sit there as you kite those following you around a wall or any other cover, then port back to it. Or is a teleport like that, that moves you out of your enemies effective range to do anything not a method to get out of a tight spot?

Well then by all means, go ahead and try it. don't use cloak, use only shadow image and your preferred offensive abilities. you will have no cloak, no decent self heals, and no decent damage shields. You will be slaughtered, the only times you survive being because you happened to remember to plant that shade beforehand. And this would be for planned battles; you will not remember to have it ready for being jumped out in the wilderness. do not even try to say you will, you will forget if its not planned beforehand; which is the major weakness of the ability people seem to forget. Its a good ability, but only if certain things work out exactly as you planned. It does not remain forever, it could run out before an enemy pops up, leaving you to be slaughtered because you would not have cloak.

Your only kills will be from ganking unsuspecting and inexperienced players. You will stand no chance against anyone of average experience or higher. Aspect of Fear will only take you so far, and will not help you once you are down to your last chunks of health, and your only source of healing being a potion locked on a cooldown. you will have no decent self heals nor decent damage shields, so you wont be healing yourself out of it; and your defense will be terrible unless you go the 1H and shield route(but then your damage will be low;, so it will make no difference, as the enemy will just wear you down). And, since you will have no cloak, you will have no way out of it. shadow image will not help you at that point. you will either have forgotten it even existed as you desperately try to roll dodge away, or you will have forgotten to set it up, which I promise you will do most of the time.

Or don't. Don't give it a go. It does not matter, as the nerfs will come regardless. Once NBs become the weakest class in the game because of these nerfs and the community is in an uproar, all the people calling cloak OP will finally realize the truth. Heck that would also be a blessing in disguise, as it would prompt ZOS to give the class a decent self heal/damage shield at long last.

CP5 wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

CP5 wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

AgentCrayon wrote: »

I don't have enough alchemy skill to make detect potions and mags light takes up a previous slot (on PS4), no idea what caltrops are either.

Maybe my build isn't the best as I never played on PC, but I genuinely think NB with the cloak skill are the hardest to fight in PVP, especially when they can heal whilst cloaked...

"when they can heal whist cloaked" the only possible way would be with an HoT that takes time to take full effect, or with a potion that has a cooldown.

Think about it, you are asking for a class without a self heal and without a damage shield, to have its main means of escape and survival be taken away. I will let you think on that and realize your mistake.

"then when it gets too much they can cloak and wait for another opportunity" this is no different than a DK using dragon blood when on low health, or a templar using one of their many heals when on low health, or a sorc using BE when on low health. Cloak is the NBs mean of survival. It only lasts 2.5 seconds and has quite a few ways of being broken(AOE attacks, magelight, flare if you can pull it off, detect pots, heck even just plain ole gap closing breaks it about half the time, or another NB with piercing mark)

You are asking for the NB to lose its ONLY METHOD of getting out of a tight spot. Playing without a decent self heal or damage shield is hard enough as it is. People do well with NBs not because they are OP; its more likely that its people that have played the NB for a VERY long time and have perfected their craft. The NB is the hardest class to play in this game, and will remain so unless it gets a decent self heal/damage shield. If you take away cloak, its only fair to give the class a self heal/damage shield to make up for it. Roll one if you must and try it for yourself.

Shadow image is a longer range teleport (compared to bolt) that doesn't require los. Place that somewhere, have the dark and transparent guy sit there as you kite those following you around a wall or any other cover, then port back to it. Or is a teleport like that, that moves you out of your enemies effective range to do anything not a method to get out of a tight spot?

Well then by all means, go ahead and try it. don't use cloak, use only shadow image and your preferred offensive abilities. you will have no cloak, no decent self heals, and no decent damage shields. You will be slaughtered, the only times you survive being because you happened to remember to plant that shade beforehand. And this would be for planned battles; you will not remember to have it ready for being jumped out in the wilderness. do not even try to say you will, you will forget if its not planned beforehand; which is the major weakness of the ability people seem to forget. Its a good ability, but only if certain things work out exactly as you planned. It does not remain forever, it could run out before an enemy pops up, leaving you to be slaughtered because you would not have cloak.

Your only kills will be from ganking unsuspecting and inexperienced players. You will stand no chance against anyone of average experience or higher. Aspect of Fear will only take you so far, and will not help you once you are down to your last chunks of health, and your only source of healing being a potion locked on a cooldown. you will have no decent self heals nor decent damage shields, so you wont be healing yourself out of it; and your defense will be terrible unless you go the 1H and shield route(but then your damage will be low;, so it will make no difference, as the enemy will just wear you down). And, since you will have no cloak, you will have no way out of it. shadow image will not help you at that point. you will either have forgotten it even existed as you desperately try to roll dodge away, or you will have forgotten to set it up, which I promise you will do most of the time.

Or don't. Don't give it a go. It does not matter, as the nerfs will come regardless. Once NBs become the weakest class in the game because of these nerfs and the community is in an uproar, all the people calling cloak OP will finally realize the truth. Heck that would also be a blessing in disguise, as it would prompt ZOS to give the class a decent self heal/damage shield at long last.

Well if the challenge is to use only class skills and nothing else I would say NB's still offer the most varity, even if cloak were taken out of the equation. The class has 2 ways to generally function, high burst (2 of the nb's heals are burst based and are % max health) or just outlasting your enemies (most other heals are hots).

Okay, so tell me, have you ever used Nightblades before? Or are you just piggy backing off what you are reading? Nightblades have no self heals. Sure they have attacks that mainly do damage that HoT, but a very small percentage. If you are referring to Funnel Health or Swallow Soul, that barely counts as a heal. Refreshing Path heals over time, but again, not anything like people are making it out to be. You NEVER see these skills being put to use when in PvP other than to do damage. And to mention the passives that @Dracane said we had that are so OP. I looked them over. Read them in detail. They are not that great. Please read below and tell me how ALL of the passives are super OP and unfair.


As you can clearly see, that all the passives, as good as they sound, can only be used if using a certain ability, wearing Heavy Armor, or have a number of ability slotted. If Nightblades are using the weapon skills as you are saying, the passives would barely be used. The potion one would be nice, had there not be a 15-30 second cooldown for pots. To even make that any good, a NB would need to grind Alchemy just to level those passives up to benefit.

These passives are nothing compared to others.

@CP5 So Much to go around lol. As far as the forums go companies dont just make decisions off that alone. It gives them an idea nothing more nothing less. Its a good way to bring issues to attention. Not get their actual changes etc. That will be up to them and they even stated as much to us on the forums that if its viable they will look at it with all things considered. Like they arnt going to give it the bolt/roll nerf if cloak has a bunch of counters while the other 2 do not. Some other changes would need to happen to make it viable.

Not everyone just works on Nightblade issues. Everyone works on something be it artwork related. DLC related. Templar Balancing related. etc. They will fix it and wait for the next patch to toss it in. They dont patch as they go. You get all the fixes lumped together and then you patch. Hell there could already be a fix for it just waiting to be patched. We will never know exactly whats going on in the inside but to say they sit there and go you know what. eff all the other classes lets just work on night blade because the forums are mad. lol no....

That being said id rather you look at my past post on this thread that outlines a few thing about cloak. But you dont want cloak gone. No one should. All its going to do is push everyone into the same catagory and the game will have little difference between classes which is already blurred because of build mixing. All it will turn into is everyone have a heal, a shield, and a few attacks. There is no strat to that. You wont have to think about it. Just throw on shield breaker set and defile and go about your day and know you'll be able to kill anyone that comes in your view.

There are pros and cons to every class. Some classes are weak vs other and stronger vs others. It has ALWAYS been that way. Most of these people are just running into a situation without the proper planning and are weak to it and so cry nerf because they want everything. Ill ask a simple question to everyone really. When you run into another person in pvp what comes to mind first. A: Hes a dead man? or B. Can I kill this guy? It should be B. Not A. And if you do not feel you can do A after B then its time to run. Not fight, die and cry for nerfs.

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Cody wrote: »

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Cody wrote: »

AgentCrayon wrote: »

I don't have enough alchemy skill to make detect potions and mags light takes up a previous slot (on PS4), no idea what caltrops are either.

Maybe my build isn't the best as I never played on PC, but I genuinely think NB with the cloak skill are the hardest to fight in PVP, especially when they can heal whilst cloaked...

"when they can heal whist cloaked" the only possible way would be with an HoT that takes time to take full effect, or with a potion that has a cooldown.

Think about it, you are asking for a class without a self heal and without a damage shield, to have its main means of escape and survival be taken away. I will let you think on that and realize your mistake.

"then when it gets too much they can cloak and wait for another opportunity" this is no different than a DK using dragon blood when on low health, or a templar using one of their many heals when on low health, or a sorc using BE when on low health. Cloak is the NBs mean of survival. It only lasts 2.5 seconds and has quite a few ways of being broken(AOE attacks, magelight, flare if you can pull it off, detect pots, heck even just plain ole gap closing breaks it about half the time, or another NB with piercing mark)

You are asking for the NB to lose its ONLY METHOD of getting out of a tight spot. Playing without a decent self heal or damage shield is hard enough as it is. People do well with NBs not because they are OP; its more likely that its people that have played the NB for a VERY long time and have perfected their craft. The NB is the hardest class to play in this game, and will remain so unless it gets a decent self heal/damage shield. If you take away cloak, its only fair to give the class a self heal/damage shield to make up for it. Roll one if you must and try it for yourself.

Shadow image is a longer range teleport (compared to bolt) that doesn't require los. Place that somewhere, have the dark and transparent guy sit there as you kite those following you around a wall or any other cover, then port back to it. Or is a teleport like that, that moves you out of your enemies effective range to do anything not a method to get out of a tight spot?

Well then by all means, go ahead and try it. don't use cloak, use only shadow image and your preferred offensive abilities. you will have no cloak, no decent self heals, and no decent damage shields. You will be slaughtered, the only times you survive being because you happened to remember to plant that shade beforehand. And this would be for planned battles; you will not remember to have it ready for being jumped out in the wilderness. do not even try to say you will, you will forget if its not planned beforehand; which is the major weakness of the ability people seem to forget. Its a good ability, but only if certain things work out exactly as you planned. It does not remain forever, it could run out before an enemy pops up, leaving you to be slaughtered because you would not have cloak.

Your only kills will be from ganking unsuspecting and inexperienced players. You will stand no chance against anyone of average experience or higher. Aspect of Fear will only take you so far, and will not help you once you are down to your last chunks of health, and your only source of healing being a potion locked on a cooldown. you will have no decent self heals nor decent damage shields, so you wont be healing yourself out of it; and your defense will be terrible unless you go the 1H and shield route(but then your damage will be low;, so it will make no difference, as the enemy will just wear you down). And, since you will have no cloak, you will have no way out of it. shadow image will not help you at that point. you will either have forgotten it even existed as you desperately try to roll dodge away, or you will have forgotten to set it up, which I promise you will do most of the time.

Or don't. Don't give it a go. It does not matter, as the nerfs will come regardless. Once NBs become the weakest class in the game because of these nerfs and the community is in an uproar, all the people calling cloak OP will finally realize the truth. Heck that would also be a blessing in disguise, as it would prompt ZOS to give the class a decent self heal/damage shield at long last.

Well if the challenge is to use only class skills and nothing else I would say NB's still offer the most varity, even if cloak were taken out of the equation. The class has 2 ways to generally function, high burst (2 of the nb's heals are burst based and are % max health) or just outlasting your enemies (most other heals are hots). Combine those with the wide array of hard cc's, buffs and resource sustain and you can come up with many colorful combinations that don't require cloak as a crutch.

Now if you were to tell another class to go only with class skills (which is what I am guessing you are saying by having no shields/heals when in reality a nb with a resto staff is very challenging to kill) how much varity do you think there would be in other builds? We've all seen the same old sorc burst build time and time again, wonder why.

I've also seen a few decent NB videos recently and they do in fact use 1H. They do use cloak as well, the dot clearing/tab target wiping/magicka based dodge roll/mob evading/combat disengage is challenging to give up, i'm sure. But with a skill like that, in the right hands, do you really think nb's as a class will get anything else to help them ween off their excessive use of cloak so that you can justify not using it at all times?

Here is the error with your logic; a majority of the NB sustain abilities, are magicka based. NOT EVERY NIGHTBLADE IS A MANABLADE. this is something you and(I am not exaggerating) every other person complaining about NB cloak spam seems to forget. As a stamblade, I CANNOT USE A RESTO STAFF. Meaning I have NO effective self heals. the only damage shield I have access to is the fighters guild one, which is ineffective because it scales off of max health, and most stam blades have to put most everything into stamina. Cloak is my only means of survival, which I can cast 3-4 times max, ASSUMING I do not use something like Fear with it.(there is also the restrictive teleport that you seem to think is a great substitute for cloak) and you people want cloak nerfed?? Do you guys even TAKE stam blades into consideration with these complaints, or is you guy's hate for magicka NBs that strong?

You gave scenarios about a NB using 1H, and being able to do well in the battle; WITH cloak. You have failed to see my point. "justify not using it at all times" here is my justification and response to that comment. I. Am. A. Stamina. Nightblade. I. Cannot. spam. cloak. Not. Every. Nightblade. Is. Magicka. Based next point

"2 of the NB heals are burst based " that's it CP, im done. No offense intended, but trying to pass off leeching strikes and strife as efficient self heals shows you do not know what you are talking about. I apologize if I sound like a condescending jerk while saying this, but it's the truth. Try out your tactics then come back and talk to me. Until then, nothing I say will have any impact. Good luck and have a nice day.