@Dracane I have fought against nightblades and I have fought AS a nightblade and I can assure you it's not as hard to deal with them as you're making it out to be. Gap closer-Aoe, Gap closer-Aoe.

You have acces to these shields and they make you immortal combined with cloak.

You must never have played as a nightblade. And honestly, you should have some weaknesses. You shouldn't be all powerful against every type of enemy. My nightblade is good against sorcs and not so good against DK's. I'm too squishy and they have too much health. There have to be pros and cons to every type of character or else why bother having different kinds of characters?

Dracane wrote: »

On the paper probably. But reality is different.
Cloak combined with the high speed of nightblades and probably even teleport shade if you mean it really serious, makes cloak almost impossible to counter,

I can't write it down, I would need to show you and talk to you to show you, that cloak is way too strong currently. it's the strongest survival mechanic in the game.
And Magicka Nightblades have strong damage shields on top and Stamblades can roll dodge all the time and have Vigor. Nightblades are not squishy, this is the biggest lie of all. Nightblade can be the hardest class to kill.

You can't combine cloak with any other magicka skill as a stam nb. 1 cloak + 1 teleport shade how is that OP?!?
I feel bad for ESO if one of the easiest to counter skills is the strongest survival mechanic in the game lol.
Let me tell you something - I'm sure some day when they nerf everything you'll still find something to whine for. Because it's not about OP skills it's about l2p

Dracane wrote: »

Infinite12 wrote: »

@Dracane what about sorcs? Shield-encase-mines-bolt escape....nothing wrong there right? Every pisses and moans about cloak when what REALLY needs nerfing is sorcs. Nightblades have cloak and that's it, that's their defense. Now they actually fixed cloak counters, more stuff pulls NB's out of cloak than before the last update. It's easier to counter NB's now.

On the paper probably. But reality is different.
Cloak combined with the high speed of nightblades and probably even teleport shade if you mean it really serious, makes cloak almost impossible to counter,

I can't write it down, I would need to show you and talk to you to show you, that cloak is way too strong currently. it's the strongest survival mechanic in the game.
And Magicka Nightblades have strong damage shields on top and Stamblades can roll dodge all the time and have Vigor. Nightblades are not squishy, this is the biggest lie of all. Nightblade can be the hardest class to kill.

And every single one of those takes a skill slot which means less dps or something else. They shouldnt get a penalty for putting survive skills on their bar. If someone wants to slot cloak/manuver and shade then they are already down in the dps department

No different then a bolt shield stacker.

If they made that cloak bs like bolt escape (50% more magicka each cast) then I would be fine with it, but instead ZOS only likes fvcking up one thing/class at a time so let's just wait and see what happens the next major annual update.

Dracane wrote: »

I don't think, it needs to be discussed that cloak needs a penalty.
No regen while cloaked sounds good. I actually like the bolt escape treatment better. But Zenimax wants to be careful..... how can they be carefull with such an overpowered ability.

Not OP at all.

So cute how all the Nightblade Supremacist stick together and act like their OP control ability (cloak) is weak. Oh and not to mention all the funny L2P quotes this is always the best thing.

I wonder how mad this world is, where people reporting the OPness of an ability have to face L2P insults over and over again, even though it's justified that this topic gets discussed over and over again. There is a reason why Nightblade is the most played class since such a long time and why they became even more popular since the latest patch. Because they have full control over each battle, are slippery as hell while bumping out ridiculous damage while appearently having infinite ressources to cloak indefinately and roll dodge as well. All the survival mechanic got nerfed, cloak received many fixes and indirect buffs. This is not alright.

As soon as this class is brought in line with all the others, it will be you who will receive L2P insults. I wonder how you will feel. I won't be sorry then though.

I am a nightblade and crush other cloak blades because of 1 potion. It gives me CC imunity for 15 seconds and increases my stealth radius for 15 seconds. So not only can that nb not cloak away but he cant fear me either.....


L2P... Cloak is so utterly easy to counter. its pathetic that people dont know how to play this game so they go complain on the forms

If they nerf cloak, they should also nerf magelighr, detect pots, flare, caltrops and steel tornadoes and mark target.. Really, if you can't get it done with one of these counters maybe th is is a user issue. Cloak helps make up for nb having crummy heals.

Dracane wrote: »

TheNephilimCrow wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

And Magicka Nightblades have strong damage shields on top and Stamblades can roll dodge all the time and have Vigor. Nightblades are not squishy, this is the biggest lie of all. Nightblade can be the hardest class to kill.

They have damage shields? I would like to know what skill that is, because anything remotely similar to a damage shield is Mirage and that's just a physical resistance buff that has a 30 second duration including 20% dodge rate.

And, Nightblades are squishy. It is not a lie just because you say it is. Where I can argue that statement, I would be more inclined to agree with "Nightblades can be made tanks." versus all nightblades not being squishy. The typical Nightblade runs medium armor and possible one or two heavy pieces. The ones that wear medium armor and light armor are the squishiest. Leaving only the solo heavy armor wearer being the tank. Though, this can be said about any class. Hell, my old sorcerer was a tank.

I've said it time and time again that Cloak is not the issue. Cloak does no damage, cloak is EASILY counterable and despite mainly claims in the contrary, Cloak doesn't last forever.

You can't just cloak out and run whenever you feel like it, there are limits to this already. If you are in the middle of a fight and being CC'd, mid swing in an attack or taking damage, you can't cloak. Granted in some skills you can animation cancel and then cloak, but more often, animation cancelling to cloak will cause you to take damage from whoever you are fighting.

Any CC, Root or AoE can pull a NB out of cloak. Don't believe me? Grab a friend and test it out. You don't have to just buy/make dect pots or even use Radiant Magelight. Each and every class, including nightblade, has an AoE or a CC that pulls people out of cloak. Also worth mentioning, with the recent update, certain CC/Roots now properly damage NB's while cloaked, on top of pulling them out of it. So, you now can damage and CC and REVEAL them if you just use your skills that ZOS provided.

What I don't understand is why people are so quick to jump to nerf threads to complain instead of actually learning how to play the game as it is intended. This community really disappoints me sometimes.

Harness Magicka and Healing Ward. You can't always look at your class skills to justify your Pro-Nightblade-Supremacy campaign. You have acces to these shields and they make you immortal combined with cloak. Which is because healing ward is a broken ability.

Just like wrecking blow (a non class ability) is the backbone of most stamina builds and Vigor (a non class heal) is essential for each stamina build. You must consider synergies between your class arsenal and other skill lines.
Sorcerer would be a joke if there wasn't force shock (which actually is a joke itself)

With that being said, you can't just look at your class abilities and call it a day. All of that would be true, if there were no weapon abilities etc. But this is not the case.

PS: no, a root does not pull Nbs out of cloak. grab a friend and encase him and see what happens. Cloak does not get destroyed. I imagine talons can indeed destroy cloak, because they also deal damage for some silly reason.

First off, Harness Magicka and Healing Ward are not Nightblade damage shields as you say. Those are available to anyone. That's your first strike. Wrecking Blow and Vigor is strike number two, because you change it from Magblade to Stamblade.

And, thirdly, I have ran tests for all the CCs, Roots, AoE and DoT and they DO pull them out.

You sit there and say that I can't just look at Nightblade skills, but that what all of you are saying to look at. That Nightblades need the nerf. Not the weapons, which again are available for everyone, Nightblades use. Your argument is invalid.

I'm glad we all can came to terms with the fact that it isn't nightblades that are OP but the weapons we can all use.

Throw down caltrops.

Use Radiant Magelight (this one is great - they have no idea you can see them and they just keep trying to cloak as you attack) or Revealing Flare.

Dracane wrote: »

So cute how all the Nightblade Supremacist stick together and act like their OP control ability (cloak) is weak. Oh and not to mention all the funny L2P quotes this is always the best thing.

I wonder how mad this world is, where people reporting the OPness of an ability have to face L2P insults over and over again, even though it's justified that this topic gets discussed over and over again. There is a reason why Nightblade is the most played class since such a long time and why they became even more popular since the latest patch. Because they have full control over each battle, are slippery as hell while bumping out ridiculous damage while appearently having infinite ressources to cloak indefinately and roll dodge as well. All the survival mechanic got nerfed, cloak received many fixes and indirect buffs. This is not alright.

As soon as this class is brought in line with all the others, it will be you who will receive L2P insults. I wonder how you will feel. I won't be sorry then though.

See this is just wrong. Many 0alyers at this point have alts and play all if not most classes. So many players have knowledge of all the classes. The problem is that as soon as a player comes to the defense of the ability all the whiners say it is because we are all nb. Sure many if us may play a nb,but that does not make our points any less valid, nor does it mean that is the only class we play.

Players like you will say nerf. Other players say no reason to nerf and give you every counter in the book for every class, but you players refuse to listen. We legitimately give you the tactics to beat them. What do you do with that info...nothing. instead you just turn around and tell us we all play nb and are bias. That is just dumb.

Moreover, if I recall correctly your main is a sorc. One of the easiest classes to counter nb. Not to mention, basically everything a nb can do a sorc has a similar setup the can run. Sorc has streak nb has cloak. Magika nb has healing ward combine with cloak. Sorc has sheild stacking combined with streak to get distance. You get where I am going. Also, stop throwing in roll dodge, it works the same for everyone.

Also, 8s it a problem that cloak was fixed? It has only been broken since launch. How dare they. They received no buffs.

Lastly, just because this topic has been discussed over and over again does not mean cloak is a priblem. One, most of these discussion have the same people in them in them including myself. The same ppl discussing the same topic in a different thread does not mean that it is an issue. It means the same people are complain about it. Two, as mentioned before not understanding how to fight a class and their strengths does not necessarily mean op. How can a skill be op when there are so many ways to counter it. Sorc shields were op because they were insanly high with low cost and no counter. By the time you burst through the first shield healing ward popped and you start over. Now it is much more reasonable and at least has one counter to it. Ya blocking, strwak, dodgeroll got a nerf. But you know what they all have in common? They all are granted to work. Cloak on the other hand is not guranteed. Ok if zos gives me a guranteed cloak every Single time then give me bolt escape treatment. However, then it really would be op cause all you would need is two and game over cause it is guranteed.

As it stands it is a l2p issue cause there are more ppl.in this game that can have l2p against nb very successfully then there are ppl that. Ant fight them. NB are a highly played class along with sorc because they are best for solo play 1vx. Templars and dk still reign supreme in group play.

revonine wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

So cute how all the Nightblade Supremacist stick together and act like their OP control ability (cloak) is weak. Oh and not to mention all the funny L2P quotes this is always the best thing.

We are allowed to defend our classes playstyle. However I'd don't condone the l2p comments. It isn't a very good way of promoting discussion.

Infinite12 wrote: »

@Dracane I have fought against nightblades and I have fought AS a nightblade and I can assure you it's not as hard to deal with them as you're making it out to be. Gap closer-Aoe, Gap closer-Aoe.

You have acces to these shields and they make you immortal combined with cloak.

You must never have played as a nightblade. And honestly, you should have some weaknesses. You shouldn't be all powerful against every type of enemy. My nightblade is good against sorcs and not so good against DK's. I'm too squishy and they have too much health. There have to be pros and cons to every type of character or else why bother having different kinds of characters?

I couldn't agree more. What will people complain about next if cloak get's nerfed? Maybe fear. Are Templars next on the agenda? Or maybe Sorcs again. People won't be satisfied until every class is gutted, un-unique, do not excel in any one area and are bland and boring.

The reason people like my self say l2p to some is because before some of us say that we give all the reasons why it is not op and all of the counters to it and all we get in response is your main must be a nb. When you have laid down a line of reasoning and counters and explained to the person what to do and then they come back with that it is infuriating. And we have shown it is a l2p issue. Which in this case I fully believe it is. However, not evryone that says l2p goes through that and I do agree that just stating l2p is a bit annoying when they have no reasons to why it is l2p.

Dracane wrote: »

TheNephilimCrow wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

TheNephilimCrow wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

And Magicka Nightblades have strong damage shields on top and Stamblades can roll dodge all the time and have Vigor. Nightblades are not squishy, this is the biggest lie of all. Nightblade can be the hardest class to kill.

They have damage shields? I would like to know what skill that is, because anything remotely similar to a damage shield is Mirage and that's just a physical resistance buff that has a 30 second duration including 20% dodge rate.

And, Nightblades are squishy. It is not a lie just because you say it is. Where I can argue that statement, I would be more inclined to agree with "Nightblades can be made tanks." versus all nightblades not being squishy. The typical Nightblade runs medium armor and possible one or two heavy pieces. The ones that wear medium armor and light armor are the squishiest. Leaving only the solo heavy armor wearer being the tank. Though, this can be said about any class. Hell, my old sorcerer was a tank.

I've said it time and time again that Cloak is not the issue. Cloak does no damage, cloak is EASILY counterable and despite mainly claims in the contrary, Cloak doesn't last forever.

You can't just cloak out and run whenever you feel like it, there are limits to this already. If you are in the middle of a fight and being CC'd, mid swing in an attack or taking damage, you can't cloak. Granted in some skills you can animation cancel and then cloak, but more often, animation cancelling to cloak will cause you to take damage from whoever you are fighting.

Any CC, Root or AoE can pull a NB out of cloak. Don't believe me? Grab a friend and test it out. You don't have to just buy/make dect pots or even use Radiant Magelight. Each and every class, including nightblade, has an AoE or a CC that pulls people out of cloak. Also worth mentioning, with the recent update, certain CC/Roots now properly damage NB's while cloaked, on top of pulling them out of it. So, you now can damage and CC and REVEAL them if you just use your skills that ZOS provided.

What I don't understand is why people are so quick to jump to nerf threads to complain instead of actually learning how to play the game as it is intended. This community really disappoints me sometimes.

Harness Magicka and Healing Ward. You can't always look at your class skills to justify your Pro-Nightblade-Supremacy campaign. You have acces to these shields and they make you immortal combined with cloak. Which is because healing ward is a broken ability.

Just like wrecking blow (a non class ability) is the backbone of most stamina builds and Vigor (a non class heal) is essential for each stamina build. You must consider synergies between your class arsenal and other skill lines.
Sorcerer would be a joke if there wasn't force shock (which actually is a joke itself)

With that being said, you can't just look at your class abilities and call it a day. All of that would be true, if there were no weapon abilities etc. But this is not the case.

PS: no, a root does not pull Nbs out of cloak. grab a friend and encase him and see what happens. Cloak does not get destroyed. I imagine talons can indeed destroy cloak, because they also deal damage for some silly reason.

First off, Harness Magicka and Healing Ward are not Nightblade damage shields as you say. Those are available to anyone. That's your first strike. Wrecking Blow and Vigor is strike number two, because you change it from Magblade to Stamblade.

And, thirdly, I have ran tests for all the CCs, Roots, AoE and DoT and they DO pull them out.

You sit there and say that I can't just look at Nightblade skills, but that what all of you are saying to look at. That Nightblades need the nerf. Not the weapons, which again are available for everyone, Nightblades use. Your argument is invalid.

I'm glad we all can came to terms with the fact that it isn't nightblades that are OP but the weapons we can all use.

There is no strike. My point was, that all of that is available for Nightblades and it's making them super strong due to their given class skills. If you refuse to use it, strike for me.

1 single look at Nightblade passives is enough..... how 1 single class can get so many strong passives is beyond me.

Now your complaint about there passives I mean come on. Have you seen your sorc passives? I mean really. All of the class passives are pretty strong.

Jumper45 wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

So cute how all the Nightblade Supremacist stick together and act like their OP control ability (cloak) is weak. Oh and not to mention all the funny L2P quotes this is always the best thing.

I wonder how mad this world is, where people reporting the OPness of an ability have to face L2P insults over and over again, even though it's justified that this topic gets discussed over and over again. There is a reason why Nightblade is the most played class since such a long time and why they became even more popular since the latest patch. Because they have full control over each battle, are slippery as hell while bumping out ridiculous damage while appearently having infinite ressources to cloak indefinately and roll dodge as well. All the survival mechanic got nerfed, cloak received many fixes and indirect buffs. This is not alright.

As soon as this class is brought in line with all the others, it will be you who will receive L2P insults. I wonder how you will feel. I won't be sorry then though.

Ill be completely honest and frank here. 99% of the time youre standing there trying to find that NB thinking hes just perma cloaking you couldnt be more wrong. Hes either gone and in another room or just sitting there in stealth mode watching your derp self swinging your weapons in circles trying to find him.

HAHA you know this is a very good point and I've never seen it brought up or thought to say it myself. Sometimes I can roll dodge with bow out into cloak and get far enough away break LOS and am able to drop into normal stealth. It's literally using cloak for it's intended function - escape. You just know these same people will accuse you as a cloak spammer later (as a stamblade even) when I was actually in stealth the entire time lol.
Although because of the stuck in combat bug it doesn't work sometimes

CP5 wrote: »

I just find it all interesting that when sorcs, a class designed to stay mobile and generally keep their distance uses their class defining abilities to do so people complain that the sorc ran away, and when some sorcs said that nerfing bolt escape for the upteenth time was excessive people told them to adapt and that if they were against a bolt nerf that the sorcs 'just wanted to keep their easy mode playstyle'.

Now that ZOS so much as mentions NB's and nerfs in the same post the forums explode with all the people clammering that others just need to l2p all the time. When DK's kept scales up at almost all times, negating their weakness of range they told others to l2p (which generally included kindly stepping into the dk's banner garden to fight in melee range) but that didn't work for them. And if people still believe sorcerer's are in a good place after all the nerfs the class has gotten, i'm sure poor old nightblades can survive getting a nerf for once. I doubt it however, ZOS seems to have a thing for the class.

And in the same post ZOS acknowledges there is LEGITIMATE counters to this skill and will consider that IF any changes are made in the future.