IC dungeons too difficult in VET mode for casual players !!!!

prabhu.abhimanyurwb17_ESO · October 2015

Well i am not sure if this topic has been brought up before, but i feel like the new dungeons in IC are just too difficult for people who are not v16 and who don't have top notch gear. I have had many instances where i, a V8 character, am not able to complete the dungeon even if the remaining members in the group are V14+ and the dungeon is scaled to V8. No other Vet dungeon has been so difficult to complete.
Hardcore players might cry foul in this discussion, saying that this is the challenge they needed, but casual players like me are suffering and i have had absolutely no returns so far from the new dlc content. I haven't even completed the IC dungeons in normal mode as the grouping tool still doesnt work as expected !!!! and its difficult to get someone for the normal run via chat if its not a pledge! So far i never got these new dungeons for silver pledge !
I thought the grouping tool now looks for players in all Alliance and still I cant form groups for the latest dungeons!!! either ppl dont use the grouping tool or there are not many players in ESO !!!

Epona222 · October 2015

Good grief - VET MODE dungeons are for people who want really challenging content.
Go do the normal versions, they are for the rest of us mere mortals.
I don't understand why everyone thinks they should be able to do everything.

DO NOT NERF VET DUNGEONS!

DisgracefulMind · October 2015

Just. Stop.

Epona222 · October 2015

prabhu.abhimanyurwb17_ESO wrote: »

I thought the grouping tool now looks for players in all Alliance and still I cant form groups for the latest dungeons!!! either ppl dont use the grouping tool or there are not many players in ESO !!!

And this - this is not coming in until November.

(I blame Twitter character limit for general loss of reading comprehension skills, people zone out after a couple of hundred characters of text)

RinOkumara · October 2015

This isn't your everyday stupid
This is
Advanced Stupid

BeardLumber · October 2015

When I was younger I was told that I could do anything in the world, but that I couldn't do everything.

This applies to everything in life.

Protip: Work at getting better, once you finally beat the dungeon you will feel like you've accomplished something.

DenMoria · October 2015

BeardLumber wrote: »

Protip: Work at getting better, once you finally beat the dungeon you will feel like you've accomplished something.

Oh please. It's a video game. If you honestly feel like you've accomplished something, you really, really need to get out more. It's a video game.

BeardLumber · October 2015

DenMoria wrote: »

BeardLumber wrote: »

Protip: Work at getting better, once you finally beat the dungeon you will feel like you've accomplished something.

Oh please. It's a video game. If you honestly feel like you've accomplished something, you really, really need to get out more. It's a video game.

Oh please. Don't judge what someone else views as an accomplishment, thats just in poor taste.

Justice31st · October 2015

All valid points he brings up. For the most part on console, unless you have lots of champion points, are in a top guild to help carry each other, or are a PC transfer the new dungeon content really is too hard for the majority of players. Zenimax needs to base the dungeon difficulty on console rather than the PC version on release. PC addons also help tremendously.

Xendyn · October 2015

They've already lowered the damage done in the IC dungeons.
Enough already.

prabhu.abhimanyurwb17_ESO · October 2015

Wow, i somehow saw all this bitching coming forth.
1) I am able to complete other vet dungeons, why should these new dungeons be on another difficulty spectrum ???
2) Sorry, I thought the grouping tool changes were already in effect. I thought these change had come along with the DLC. My reading comprehension skills are just fine, i got this info from the quakecon video and Matt mentioned this detail then and since i skipped some parts of the video i thought this was part of the DLC changes

@RinOkumara: Define Advanced stupid please !. I guess u are one of them

Robbmrp · October 2015

Epona222 wrote: »

Good grief - VET MODE dungeons are for people who want really challenging content.
Go do the normal versions, they are for the rest of us mere mortals.
I don't understand why everyone thinks they should be able to do everything.

DO NOT NERF VET DUNGEONS!

The problem with the normal version of these dungeons is the difficulty is really easy where as the Vet Dungeon is Vet Difficulty x 5. There's too big of a gap between them. It's almost as if they need another level in between them and make that the Veteran one. The timing could be off for these as well. When hardly anyone wants to do these when they are the Vet pledge pretty much says it all.

I agree that these should NOT be a walk in the park, but if you can't take 4 random V16's who know how to stay out of red dots and still can't complete it, then the Vet difficulty may be just a tad high.

Rodvic · October 2015

As a casual player myself, just stop. They are VET dungeons, do the normal versions if they are too hard for you.

Plus, they already nerfed them, they don't need to do so again.

Epona222 · October 2015

DenMoria wrote: »

BeardLumber wrote: »

Protip: Work at getting better, once you finally beat the dungeon you will feel like you've accomplished something.

Oh please. It's a video game. If you honestly feel like you've accomplished something, you really, really need to get out more. It's a video game.

How dare people have gaming as a hobby, and want it to be challenging!
Clearly they should have some more 'worthy' things to be doing!
[/sarcasm]

There are plenty of casual games, even free browser games, that cater to people who don't view gaming as a worthwhile pastime. To come onto a forum like this and make the above statement just beggars belief. If you have better things to do, go do them, and stop bugging us about our hobby!

Rodvic · October 2015

prabhu.abhimanyurwb17_ESO wrote: »

Wow, i somehow saw all this bitching coming forth.
1) I am able to complete other vet dungeons, why should these new dungeons be on another difficulty spectrum ???
2) Sorry, I thought the grouping tool changes were already in effect. I thought these change had come along with the DLC. My reading comprehension skills are just fine, i got this info from the quakecon video and Matt mentioned this detail then and since i skipped some parts of the video i thought this was part of the DLC changes

@RinOkumara: Define Advanced stupid please !. I guess u are one of them

Because they were designed to be harder. If you aren't skilled enough to beat them yet, get better and then try again.

Qyrk · October 2015

Just for everyone: The patch for PC 2.1.6 lowered the damage that IC dungeon mobs are doing. 2 Patches after PC Release

-There has not been any patches since console release (we all know they are usually 1 month behind).

TO ALL CONSOLERS: considering the lag behind patches in consoles, I doubt the reduction in vet IC dungeons have been implemented yet.

While I'm against reducing game difficulty, this is just an fyi that it will be coming to you (I doubt they implemented this reduction at console release).

Kuroinu · October 2015

Before you start ripping into the OPs somewhat accurate but misguided post:

What I have found initially when using the grouping tool for other games. Is that at first it is used for practice in many respects and was good to practice due to the anonymity of it since it pulled players from other servers(or in this case other factions).

Soon we will be seeing the beginning of some serious improvements for ESOs Grouping Tool, the first is that it'll be able to pull characters from all factions, like I hinted at above. I'm speculating here, but if ESO does have a large amount of players that do not understand the Dungeons as well as others, then it's partially to do with the Grouping Tool not really existing as a valid choice.

Practice is very easy to do if you can join a group of "randoms" via a reliable grouping tool. Even if it's not practice, just having that option is like giving a helping hand to those that don't usually wait around in zones for "shout groups" or do not feel confident enough to make a group themselves. A grouping tool can alleviate this initial hurdle players may have, I hope other players can understand this.

Justice31st · October 2015

The game difficulty gap between normal and veteran is too large, ZOS should lower veteran dungeons difficulty and there should be 3 difficulties for ESO dungeons. Normal, Veteran, and Hardcore.

Normal gives normal item drop %, veteran gives veteran items with normal drop %, and hardcore gives increased veteran item drop %.

Problem solved.

AlnilamE · October 2015

prabhu.abhimanyurwb17_ESO wrote: »

2) Sorry, I thought the grouping tool changes were already in effect. I thought these change had come along with the DLC. My reading comprehension skills are just fine, i got this info from the quakecon video and Matt mentioned this detail then and since i skipped some parts of the video i thought this was part of the DLC changes

The DLC changes coming with Orsinium in November.

I have not been able to complete the new dungeons in vet mode either, but I like it that way.

prabhu.abhimanyurwb17_ESO · October 2015

I guess, then Zenimax should have made it clear that this DLC was only for PRO's. I bought the DLC and for the last 1 month other then a small skirmish in the IC sewers (even though i am not into PVP yet) i have had no returns from this DLC. Even with experienced players in the group we couldn't finish it. I am just saying why not have multiple scaling.

My suggestion: If the dungeon is scaled to V14 or below, then bring the difficulty of dungeon on par with other vet dungeons.
If dungeon is scaled to v15 or v16, then make it more challenging !

DenMoria · October 2015

BeardLumber wrote: »

DenMoria wrote: »

BeardLumber wrote: »

Protip: Work at getting better, once you finally beat the dungeon you will feel like you've accomplished something.

Oh please. It's a video game. If you honestly feel like you've accomplished something, you really, really need to get out more. It's a video game.

Oh please. Don't judge what someone else views as an accomplishment, thats just in poor taste.

Sorry. You are right. My sincere apologies.

Soulshine · October 2015

prabhu.abhimanyurwb17_ESO wrote: »

Well i am not sure if this topic has been brought up before, but i feel like the new dungeons in IC are just too difficult for people who are not v16 and who don't have top notch gear. I have had many instances where i, a V8 character, am not able to complete the dungeon even if the remaining members in the group are V14+ and the dungeon is scaled to V8. No other Vet dungeon has been so difficult to complete.
Hardcore players might cry foul in this discussion, saying that this is the challenge they needed, but casual players like me are suffering and i have had absolutely no returns so far from the new dlc content. I haven't even completed the IC dungeons in normal mode as the grouping tool still doesnt work as expected !!!! and its difficult to get someone for the normal run via chat if its not a pledge! So far i never got these new dungeons for silver pledge !
I thought the grouping tool now looks for players in all Alliance and still I cant form groups for the latest dungeons!!! either ppl dont use the grouping tool or there are not many players in ESO !!!

1. If you haven't completed normal mode, do so.
2. You can create your own group rather than expecting the group tool (which everyone knows does not work well right now) to form one for you.
3. Get to cap. You cannot expect to complete end game vet level 4 mans and for them to be easy to do at level v8
4. Practice.
5. Practice.
6. Practice.
7. rinse, repeat.....

DenMoria · October 2015

Epona222 wrote: »

DenMoria wrote: »

BeardLumber wrote: »

Protip: Work at getting better, once you finally beat the dungeon you will feel like you've accomplished something.

Oh please. It's a video game. If you honestly feel like you've accomplished something, you really, really need to get out more. It's a video game.

How dare people have gaming as a hobby, and want it to be challenging!
Clearly they should have some more 'worthy' things to be doing!
[/sarcasm]

There are plenty of casual games, even free browser games, that cater to people who don't view gaming as a worthwhile pastime. To come onto a forum like this and make the above statement just beggars belief. If you have better things to do, go do them, and stop bugging us about our hobby!

Hey! I apologized if I hurt anybody's feelings, but, as someone who has been a gamer since the mid '70's and have always considered gaming a hobby. It just seems like it is taken so very, very seriously. It is, after all, just a game. While I've beaten 100's of games in my lifetime, I, honestly have never really considered it an accomplishment. Raising 2 kids to be productive adults while not going insane? Now that was an accomplishment to me. Managing to stay married 16 years without my other 1/2 killing me? Now that was an accomplishment. Beating Dark Souls? Not an accomplishment. Just beating a game.

Again, I apologize if I hurt anybody's feelings.

Callous2208 · October 2015

DenMoria wrote: »

BeardLumber wrote: »

Protip: Work at getting better, once you finally beat the dungeon you will feel like you've accomplished something.

Oh please. It's a video game. If you honestly feel like you've accomplished something, you really, really need to get out more. It's a video game.

Isn't this what somebody who doesn't play video games is supposed to say? Aren't you here defeating Molag Bal's minions right along side all of us other fine people? If you feel no sense of accomplishment while completing achievements in video games, then why do you even play? I have all of those life accomplishments you listed as well. There's not a standard that defines what get's to be considered an accomplishment by everyone. Honestly, just kinda sounds like you're a little salty that you're not very good at gaming, after all these years.

Xendyn · October 2015

Qyrk wrote: »

Just for everyone: The patch for PC 2.1.6 lowered the damage that IC dungeon mobs are doing. 2 Patches after PC Release

-There has not been any patches since console release (we all know they are usually 1 month behind).

TO ALL CONSOLERS: considering the lag behind patches in consoles, I doubt the reduction in vet IC dungeons have been implemented yet.

While I'm against reducing game difficulty, this is just an fyi that it will be coming to you (I doubt they implemented this reduction at console release).

This^
Are you a consolero?

LordSemaj · October 2015

They should just rename the Veteran status of the dungeons to Ludicrous.

Then when people wonder why they can't complete a Ludicrous dungeon, we all point and laugh because the reason is already in the name.

Veteran just doesn't carry that "Expert, Pro, Adept" feel to it. You can be a war veteran without ever firing your gun.

Epona222 · October 2015

DenMoria wrote: »

Epona222 wrote: »

DenMoria wrote: »

BeardLumber wrote: »

Protip: Work at getting better, once you finally beat the dungeon you will feel like you've accomplished something.

Oh please. It's a video game. If you honestly feel like you've accomplished something, you really, really need to get out more. It's a video game.

How dare people have gaming as a hobby, and want it to be challenging!
Clearly they should have some more 'worthy' things to be doing!
[/sarcasm]

There are plenty of casual games, even free browser games, that cater to people who don't view gaming as a worthwhile pastime. To come onto a forum like this and make the above statement just beggars belief. If you have better things to do, go do them, and stop bugging us about our hobby!

Hey! I apologized if I hurt anybody's feelings, but, as someone who has been a gamer since the mid '70's and have always considered gaming a hobby. It just seems like it is taken so very, very seriously. It is, after all, just a game. While I've beaten 100's of games in my lifetime, I, honestly have never really considered it an accomplishment. Raising 2 kids to be productive adults while not going insane? Now that was an accomplishment to me. Managing to stay married 16 years without my other 1/2 killing me? Now that was an accomplishment. Beating Dark Souls? Not an accomplishment. Just beating a game.

Again, I apologize if I hurt anybody's feelings.

You apologised after I posted, and yes I think that was very gracious of you, thank you

If you grew up in the '70s though, you likely know that what you posted is the sort of opinion older gamers hear from their mum - we accept that lack of understanding from our parents, who did not grow up with video games, but it is very unwelcome from fellow gamers, especially on a gaming forum.

You may be "a" parent, but you are not "our" parent here on this forum. We will spend our time how we like, because we are adults and get to choose for ourselves

Gaming forums really ought to be a space where gamers are not told to "go do something more productive" - by other gamers of all people!

I hope that goes some way to explaining my post.

EDIT: because my quotes got muddled up for some reason, sorry!

Bluepitbull13 · October 2015

prabhu.abhimanyurwb17_ESO wrote: »

Well i am not sure if this topic has been brought up before, but i feel like the new dungeons in IC are just too difficult for people who are not v16 and who don't have top notch gear. I have had many instances where i, a V8 character, am not able to complete the dungeon even if the remaining members in the group are V14+ and the dungeon is scaled to V8. No other Vet dungeon has been so difficult to complete.
Hardcore players might cry foul in this discussion, saying that this is the challenge they needed, but casual players like me are suffering and i have had absolutely no returns so far from the new dlc content. I haven't even completed the IC dungeons in normal mode as the grouping tool still doesnt work as expected !!!! and its difficult to get someone for the normal run via chat if its not a pledge! So far i never got these new dungeons for silver pledge !
I thought the grouping tool now looks for players in all Alliance and still I cant form groups for the latest dungeons!!! either ppl dont use the grouping tool or there are not many players in ESO !!!

Did you try taking your group mixed of V14+ scaled down to Vet 8 to normal mode instead of Vet mode?

Baconlad · October 2015

Well in my opinion, vet dungeons should only be available to vet 16 characters. So yeah...it should be difficult, you should be failing at it, it should take tactics, it should take good builds

RDMyers65b14_ESO · October 2015

Soulshine wrote: »

prabhu.abhimanyurwb17_ESO wrote: »

Well i am not sure if this topic has been brought up before, but i feel like the new dungeons in IC are just too difficult for people who are not v16 and who don't have top notch gear. I have had many instances where i, a V8 character, am not able to complete the dungeon even if the remaining members in the group are V14+ and the dungeon is scaled to V8. No other Vet dungeon has been so difficult to complete.
Hardcore players might cry foul in this discussion, saying that this is the challenge they needed, but casual players like me are suffering and i have had absolutely no returns so far from the new dlc content. I haven't even completed the IC dungeons in normal mode as the grouping tool still doesnt work as expected !!!! and its difficult to get someone for the normal run via chat if its not a pledge! So far i never got these new dungeons for silver pledge !
I thought the grouping tool now looks for players in all Alliance and still I cant form groups for the latest dungeons!!! either ppl dont use the grouping tool or there are not many players in ESO !!!

1. If you haven't completed normal mode, do so.
2. You can create your own group rather than expecting the group tool (which everyone knows does not work well right now) to form one for you.
3. Get to cap. You cannot expect to complete end game vet level 4 mans and for them to be easy to do at level v8
4. Practice.
5. Practice.
6. Practice.
7. rinse, repeat.....

THIS is how you do it! Actually, add #7 to below #1 a few times. Learn the layout well.

Wow, @Denmora, are you sure you aren't my clone? The life you described is exactly like mine including the two kids and 16 years of marriage. Glade to see others like me. :-)

tpanisiakb16_ESO · October 2015

For what it's worth I consider myself to be a bit above casual and average and I've yet to be able to complete them. I do find them pretty hard and my team is doing everything possible to boost their damage. It feels pretty THIS or death, and I'm not a fan of one-shot mechanics.

In my opinion, CoA and CoH (before we were able to steam roll those dungeons...) felt about right as far as difficulty goes. We could at least get pass the bosses, but we've thrown our face into Ibomez way too long to even feel like we're making any progression. Right now the difficulty feels artificially inflated, but that's just me.

I like a challenge, but vWTG and vICP feel like it's designed for the DK Tank, Templar Healer, 2x Ranged casters. Anything outside of that meta feels like a handicap.

Just my opinion though.