Gated Campaign!

HeroOfNone · September 2015

I don't see this ending well. Either they try it and like it based on false stats or it fails and they learn nothing and leave it as is.

Why false stats? Because everyone will fight for private access because there is only one. If this same rule set was applied to 3 or more campaigns then each faction would have a specific PVE campaign that the others rarely would enter. We've had buff servers since the game launched for the same reason.

And if no one plays in this, it could be assumed we don't want new gated rules, or anything new at all. That's a bit of a misnomer. I feel most of us would like to see new mechanics added in, just not the ones added with this patch.

We've got a few suggestions on how some of the IC & District access should work and surprisingly it's pretty low in favor of gating the access. Give a look and make sure to give your feed back regarding this new rules etc there as well.

PainfulFAFA · September 2015

There ya go guys. Enjoy AoB prime time lol

TBois · September 2015

Lol of course reds want to continue to be the bad guy faction and will kill the server before it gets 2 bars for anyone

wraith808 · September 2015

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

That campaign will most likely be a flop. Gated access is only interesting if ALL CAMPAIGNS HAVE GATED ACCESS.
It's not gated if you can just home another campaign..... Do they ever think their decisions through?

You don't get it.

If they offer only one campaign as gated access and no one uses it (because of what you said) then they can say: "Oh well, we tried gated access and people didn't like it."

That's the equivalent of putting up optional stop signs in a street and saying "Well we tried stop signs but it didn't reduce accidents, oh well, we were right from the beginning"

It could be... but I think you're going down the wrong path. This is the path that they wanted to begin with. But with a set in stone release date, and no one testing the rules on PTS (I'm guilty too), but instead testing IC, they couldn't arrive at a rule set in time and test the access rules. So they're doing it on live on one server to get the metrics they needed during test.

At least, that's what I choose to read it as.

Pirhana7_ESO · September 2015

r.jan_emailb16_ESO wrote: »

DovresMalven wrote: »

Thank you!!!! Let us rejoice!

Putting all my brainpower and very heavy thinking into this new and welcomed feature leads me to the conclusion that it probably won't change anything. Why go there, if you have like 5+ other campaigns with open access for everyone?

Because when yourside can cut off access to teh enemies saides its makes it much easier and less zergy inside to do what you want

Rune_Relic · September 2015

Problem is as soon as they gate all campaigns....you'll get IC servers instead of Buff Servers... where each faction has their own IC gateway.

CN_Daniel · September 2015

Telel wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

ScruffyWhiskers wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

If they offer only one campaign as gated access and no one uses it (because of what you said) then they can say: "Oh well, we tried gated access and people didn't like it."

That's my biggest fear. Set up to fail from the start.

My fear is that it is going to be buff server 2.0

All you have to do is Zerg cap the entire map, and keep it that way. Bam. You have just created a RISK FREE PvE and AP farming zone for your blob squads. As soon as anyone tries to take one keep, the EP emp blob o' DOOM swarm out of the ether and zerg it again just like EP is doing on Azura's Star every day.

Telel fixed it for you. They are a helper!

GET IT RIGHT 5am to 7am is not the day bawahahaha

Pirhana7_ESO · September 2015

Rune_Relic wrote: »

Problem is as soon as they gate all campaigns....you'll get IC servers instead of Buff Servers... where each faction has their own IC gateway.

I really doubt that, the system is very different than how buff campaigns worked and that ONLY excisted be cause you kept your home buffs and went somewhere else.

With this system I really doubt most peope will leave IC to take back lost enemy keeps in Cyrodiil. That wont happen until lots of people need to get back in.

Defilted · September 2015

This will be the only campaign I play in. This is how it should be period.

1 campaign per megashard and Gated IC

AhPook_Is_Here · September 2015

It will be nice for those who didn't buy IC and still like PVP.

driosketch · September 2015

Pirhana7_ESO wrote: »

Rune_Relic wrote: »

Problem is as soon as they gate all campaigns....you'll get IC servers instead of Buff Servers... where each faction has their own IC gateway.

I really doubt that, the system is very different than how buff campaigns worked and that ONLY excisted be cause you kept your home buffs and went somewhere else.

With this system I really doubt most peope will leave IC to take back lost enemy keeps in Cyrodiil. That wont happen until lots of people need to get back in.

The problem is, although they killed outside buffs, they moved one of best places to grind now inside the campaigns.

kevlarto_ESO · September 2015

I am sure one faction will end up controlling the map most of the time, I can only hope once enough of the other factions cant get back in they start taking keeps forcing the dominate faction to decide, and once your faction loses access they should lose access to rezing in the IC, this would keep things going inside and outside of IC, but with the huge population imbalance of one faction in this game I have my doubts it will work, until more and more players would like to play and have a little competition instead of just riding the easy train blob.

Hydrocodone · September 2015

yeah EP already PvDoor that map 30 sec after it went live, go figure.

PainfulFAFA · September 2015

And there ya go. Fully functional buff/farm server for Red 5 hours after maintenance.
How could zos not see this coming? lol

Darlgon · September 2015

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

And there ya go. Fully functional buff/farm server for Red 5 hours after maintenance.
How could zos not see this coming? lol

EP missed a keep, or three.

Rune_Relic · September 2015

Pirhana7_ESO wrote: »

Rune_Relic wrote: »

Problem is as soon as they gate all campaigns....you'll get IC servers instead of Buff Servers... where each faction has their own IC gateway.

I really doubt that, the system is very different than how buff campaigns worked and that ONLY excisted be cause you kept your home buffs and went somewhere else.

With this system I really doubt most peope will leave IC to take back lost enemy keeps in Cyrodiil. That wont happen until lots of people need to get back in.

I don't.
There will be an unspoken agreement between the factions.
Those faction swill be dead most of the time like the buff servers.
They will stay dead until someone tries to take the buff campaign and then everyone will roll out of IC into Cyrodiil to protect their IC campaign.
It will be no different to buff campaigns because everyone wants IC access (like the buffs) and that's the only way it will happen.

Only fix is to merge campaign objectives.
ie. you need all ring keeps in all campaigns to gain access.
But then probably no one will get access without nightcapping.

Docmandu · September 2015

This actually also highlights an issue in Cyrodiil's design.. due to how the keeps are spread around IC, usually you don't get the 3 realms fighting at 1 keep.. and most of the time you're fighting at the same keeps / outposts. Might be nostalgia, but I preferred DAoC's New Frontier layout.. although that took more travel time (and people already complain that ESO is a horse simulator.. good thing most didn't play DAoC then -- boat sim -- http://tekener.com/cgi-bin/maps/maps?realm=frontiers&lang=en :P )

TBois · September 2015

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Darlgon wrote: »

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

And there ya go. Fully functional buff/farm server for Red 5 hours after maintenance.
How could zos not see this coming? lol

EP missed a keep, or three.

they finished it out. Don't worry

Sharee · September 2015

This won't work, i'm afraid.

what needs to be done is
1, all campaigns are gated in the same way, and
2, dying inside IC while your faction does not have access removes you from IC.

Access to IC needs to be the incentive for taking keeps, but if you can circumvent it by simply going to a different campaign, the incentive is gone.

And being removed from IC on death is needed so that there aren't five lost souls looking at a dominated campaign with no hope of ever taking it back since all their teammates are already inside IC.

Sharee · September 2015

Docmandu wrote: »

http://tekener.com/cgi-bin/maps/maps?realm=frontiers&lang=en :P )

*wipes away a tear*

Akinos · September 2015

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

And there ya go. Fully functional buff/farm server for Red 5 hours after maintenance.
How could zos not see this coming? lol

5 hours? So in that amount of time AD nor DC couldn't get 5 or 6 people together and fight the 5 or 6 EP that took the map? It literally was a very small amount of players throughout those 5 hours, probably less then 10 considering it took 5 hours to take the map. AD and DC had plenty of time to coordinate and take / retake stuff. The problem is that AD and DC don't have any type of real leadership left to coordinate anything, and it's not just this campaign. Yes there ARE leaders on both factions, but most of them couldn't organize an 0rgy in a brothel.This has been evident for many months now. And if it wasn't EP taking the map, it would of been one of the other two factions. Not our fault or our problem that we beat everybody else to the punch.

inb4accusationsofeptheunemployed

Zavus · September 2015

Akinos wrote: »

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

And there ya go. Fully functional buff/farm server for Red 5 hours after maintenance.
How could zos not see this coming? lol

5 hours? So in that amount of time AD nor DC couldn't get 5 or 6 people together and fight the 5 or 6 EP that took the map? It literally was a very small amount of players throughout those 5 hours, probably less then 10 considering it took 5 hours to take the map. AD and DC had plenty of time to coordinate and take / retake stuff. The problem is that AD and DC don't have any type of real leadership left to coordinate anything, and it's not just this campaign. Yes there ARE leaders on both factions, but most of them couldn't organize an 0rgy in a brothel.This has been evident for many months now. And if it wasn't EP taking the map, it would of been one of the other two factions. Not our fault or our problem that we beat everybody else to the punch.

inb4accusationsofeptheunemployed

Pretty much 6 ppl taking everykeep. not all undefended too. get rekt

-M

Laggus · September 2015

Wonder who is going to make it their buff campaign first. My bet EP.

Rylana · September 2015

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

There ya go guys. Enjoy AoB prime time lol

All i got out of this was...

How is Alma Ruma inside of Warden? Without the keep burst, and while it is blue? Did these magical reds actually die, a blue picked it up and ran it in there perhaps?

because that would mean it was not uncontested or anything.

Not to defend them or anything because clearly they are stepping on Lord Zazeers toes by claiming this campaign before GoS did, but still.

PainfulFAFA · September 2015

Akinos wrote: »

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

And there ya go. Fully functional buff/farm server for Red 5 hours after maintenance.
How could zos not see this coming? lol

5 hours? So in that amount of time AD nor DC couldn't get 5 or 6 people together and fight the 5 or 6 EP that took the map? It literally was a very small amount of players throughout those 5 hours, probably less then 10 considering it took 5 hours to take the map. AD and DC had plenty of time to coordinate and take / retake stuff. The problem is that AD and DC don't have any type of real leadership left to coordinate anything, and it's not just this campaign. Yes there ARE leaders on both factions, but most of them couldn't organize an 0rgy in a brothel.This has been evident for many months now. And if it wasn't EP taking the map, it would of been one of the other two factions. Not our fault or our problem that we beat everybody else to the punch.

inb4accusationsofeptheunemployed

Ahh the mind of an EP pvdooring early in the morning.
The REAL problem is that there isnt any leadership on AD or DC THAT EARLY in the morning lol

Laggus · September 2015

Tallowby wrote: »

Idea....

Have the rewards from PVP outside of IC yield TV Stones as end rewards of even add small quantities in the rewards for the worthy...

Then there will be incentive to stay out and hold/capture the keeps and resources....

But then sales of the DLC would drop.

Sharee · September 2015

Laggus wrote: »

Tallowby wrote: »

Idea....

Have the rewards from PVP outside of IC yield TV Stones as end rewards of even add small quantities in the rewards for the worthy...

Then there will be incentive to stay out and hold/capture the keeps and resources....

But then sales of the DLC would drop.

Not necessarily, the rewards could only be given to IC owners.

Akinos · September 2015

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

Akinos wrote: »

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

And there ya go. Fully functional buff/farm server for Red 5 hours after maintenance.
How could zos not see this coming? lol

5 hours? So in that amount of time AD nor DC couldn't get 5 or 6 people together and fight the 5 or 6 EP that took the map? It literally was a very small amount of players throughout those 5 hours, probably less then 10 considering it took 5 hours to take the map. AD and DC had plenty of time to coordinate and take / retake stuff. The problem is that AD and DC don't have any type of real leadership left to coordinate anything, and it's not just this campaign. Yes there ARE leaders on both factions, but most of them couldn't organize an 0rgy in a brothel.This has been evident for many months now. And if it wasn't EP taking the map, it would of been one of the other two factions. Not our fault or our problem that we beat everybody else to the punch.

inb4accusationsofeptheunemployed

Ahh the mind of an EP pvdooring early in the morning.
The REAL problem is that there isnt any leadership on AD or DC THAT EARLY in the morning lol

No, the mind of an EP with common sense and initiative. Something which many AD and DC, and even quite a few EP, seem to lack.
It wasn't THAT early either. What stopped AD and DC from talking in zone with each other and getting people with some siege to attack a keep? Don't need amazing leadership for that, it's not rocket science.

Sharee · September 2015

Akinos wrote: »

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

Akinos wrote: »

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

And there ya go. Fully functional buff/farm server for Red 5 hours after maintenance.
How could zos not see this coming? lol

5 hours? So in that amount of time AD nor DC couldn't get 5 or 6 people together and fight the 5 or 6 EP that took the map? It literally was a very small amount of players throughout those 5 hours, probably less then 10 considering it took 5 hours to take the map. AD and DC had plenty of time to coordinate and take / retake stuff. The problem is that AD and DC don't have any type of real leadership left to coordinate anything, and it's not just this campaign. Yes there ARE leaders on both factions, but most of them couldn't organize an 0rgy in a brothel.This has been evident for many months now. And if it wasn't EP taking the map, it would of been one of the other two factions. Not our fault or our problem that we beat everybody else to the punch.

inb4accusationsofeptheunemployed

Ahh the mind of an EP pvdooring early in the morning.
The REAL problem is that there isnt any leadership on AD or DC THAT EARLY in the morning lol

No, the mind of an EP with common sense. Something which many AD and DC, and even quite a few EP, seem to lack.
It wasn't THAT early either. What stopped AD and DC from talking in zone with each other and getting people with some siege to attack a keep? Don't need amazing leadership for that, it's not rocket science.

Considering the usual 1-lock-1 population bar, my be is on "there weren't any". If EP has 5 people online, other factions statistically have 0.2 players each.

Akinos · September 2015

Sharee wrote: »

Akinos wrote: »

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

Akinos wrote: »

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

And there ya go. Fully functional buff/farm server for Red 5 hours after maintenance.
How could zos not see this coming? lol

5 hours? So in that amount of time AD nor DC couldn't get 5 or 6 people together and fight the 5 or 6 EP that took the map? It literally was a very small amount of players throughout those 5 hours, probably less then 10 considering it took 5 hours to take the map. AD and DC had plenty of time to coordinate and take / retake stuff. The problem is that AD and DC don't have any type of real leadership left to coordinate anything, and it's not just this campaign. Yes there ARE leaders on both factions, but most of them couldn't organize an 0rgy in a brothel.This has been evident for many months now. And if it wasn't EP taking the map, it would of been one of the other two factions. Not our fault or our problem that we beat everybody else to the punch.

inb4accusationsofeptheunemployed

Ahh the mind of an EP pvdooring early in the morning.
The REAL problem is that there isnt any leadership on AD or DC THAT EARLY in the morning lol

No, the mind of an EP with common sense. Something which many AD and DC, and even quite a few EP, seem to lack.
It wasn't THAT early either. What stopped AD and DC from talking in zone with each other and getting people with some siege to attack a keep? Don't need amazing leadership for that, it's not rocket science.

Considering the usual 1-lock-1 population bar, my be is on "there weren't any". If EP has 5 people online, other factions statistically have 0.2 players each.

My kill counter says otherwise. Constantly blaming numbers is why AD and DC can't have nice things.